Breaking: White House 'response' to Iowa ruling

Good lord

you'd think he was complimenting their choice in shoes.

LAME...

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by: Louise @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:48:14 PM CDT

Damn right Pam

President Obama should have some understanding of the fact that even separate but equal is not the same.

I would love to see him respond personally to an LGBT person that was refused access to a partner during a time of medical crisis.

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by: bkmn @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:51:32 PM CDT

At least this time

we don't have a president screaming about "judicial activism and the need for a federal amendment.

I am the lizard queen!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:51:44 PM CDT

thank goodness for that

But that's exactly why we have to hold this administration accountable. This president knows full well this isn't about judicial activism or religious beliefs or procreation. It's time to cut the bullsh*t.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:54:07 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Exactly right.

I'm just trying to be positive after how close I came to killing myself because of Bush's rantings five years ago.

I am the lizard queen!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:56:53 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Disgusting.

I happily voted for him, but, seriously, when is he going to stop lying about not believing in equality and start leading on the issue?

Would it really have been so difficult just to leave out the lie that he doesn't support marriage equality and just leave all the rest in, if nothing else?  Why does he think he has to repeat that lie at every opportunity?

That this is our first President whose own parents' marriage was illegal in several states when he was born makes the repeat of this lie particularly revolting.

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by: diablorobotico @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 19:59:24 PM CDT

why do you think

the lie part is the part about not supporting marriage equality?  i think he's lying about supporting civil unions.

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by: Lurleen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:18:46 PM CDT

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He could even be lying about both.

But we know he's already come out in support of marriage equality in that Chicago paper interview years ago.  That wasn't necessarily politically prudent then so I believe THAT Barack Obama.  Plus he's an intelligent bi-racial person who was born into Jim Crow and illegal inter-racial marriages who's also a Constitutional scholar.  There's no way he really believes that some people are less equal than others.  I can believe it from Scalia or Thomas but not from Obama.

I believe he's lying about not supporting marriage equality for the same reason he sucks up to the religious right in other ways -- I just have no idea what that reason is.  Unless he's got some brilliant strategy I can't fathom -- and he certainly very well may -- I see it as a gigantic error in judgment.

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by: diablorobotico @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:52:01 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

The reason is so he can get elected

and become a brilliant American 'sucess' story like Bill Clinton, who's been more than amply rewared for NAFTA and deregulating the economy.

At a April 04 09 meeting with Wall Street CEOs Obama told them "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." These are the people who bankrolled him in the primaries. They elected him and now they own him.  

That's the main stage and we're more or less a side show. We don't have leading roles because we don't have the votes. Obama's playing a game with us, promising whatever we want to hear. In truth it's very clear by now that he's in bed with the religious bigots. He did support SSM at one time and lost the election in 2000 becasue of it. Then he got religion and hopped in bed with Warren, Dubois and Daughtry. His promises to us are as good as his promise to end the war and his promise to end the recession maybe depression.

He sleeps with the right wingers on the question of SSM and then makes promises to us. He'll go for the votes, and we don't have as many as the bigots. Here comes the bus.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  

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by: donal1944 @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 07:54:29 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

What REALLY kills me...

...and people, PLEASE don't think I'm making a racist comment because I'm NOT. You all know me better than that by now.

This goes well beyond his own parents' marriage, diablo. Pre-Lincoln, he and Michelle themselves would not have been able to marry! They would have had a "domestic partnership" with whatever "commitment ceremony" the master allowed. And once one of them left the plantation and crossed into another, their marriage no longer existed. They wouldn't have been considered real people, so their marriage wouldn't have been considered a real marriage. President Obama is well enough aware of history to know this. He is a Constitutional Law scholar and know what the right answer is.

He chooses to deliberately ignore history, and set aside his scholarship and knowledge of justice to embrace christian hatred and bigotry to get votes. That is immoral, unacceptable, and he will be judged for it and found wanting in the end.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:43:09 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Obama feels the need

to kiss the church's asses, especially the black church but also other evangelicals. I have hinted here and there that he has gone through a process over the years of what I call "trying to be black" or "keeping it real." Obama is responding to his constituency as regards GLBT issues.

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:03:41 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Just for you, Keori

"But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia."

Barack Obama
December 8, 1995
Chicago Reader

http://www.chicagoreader.com/o...

I posted the link so as to keep this comment in context.

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:26:15 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oh my dear, let's have the full quote!

"The right wing, the Christian right, has done a good job of building these organizations of [political party] accountability, much better than the left or progressive forces have. But it's always easier to organize around intolerance, narrow-mindedness, and false nostalgia. And they also have hijacked the higher moral ground with this language of family values and moral responsibility."

**sigh** Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Barack, we hardly knew ye.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:01:49 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I remember reading this article in 1995

I fell in love with Obama because he also took the black church to task.

He knows full what he's dealing with. No one can be more disappointed in Barack Obama than I am.

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:08:53 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

You're absolutely right, of course.

Again, I get how a Clarence Thomas can exist -- no matter how twisted and evil such a person is.  I just don't believe that Obama is twisted and evil.  He's certainly not stupid.  But he's also obviously not above rank ambition and the willingness to compromise or even flat-out sell-out or he wouldn't be the President.

He's doing this because he thinks he has to and/or he thinks it'll work.  He's wrong.  If he told the truth and was a leader on this issue, he'd be held in even higher regard than he is now and he'd be regarded as highly as Lincoln when the history books are written later on.

Maybe he figures his poll numbers are good enough as they are?

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by: diablorobotico @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:59:10 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Can't Wait

for the day when we have an unapologetic Atheist or Agnostic person running for President.

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by: bluegrassfool @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:03:03 PM CDT

You'll get...

a black lesbian in the black house (10 Downing Street) first.

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by: tavdy79 @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:21:24 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I accept the nomination. ;)

Honestly, can you imagine me ripping into Congress?

"Now LOOK, you lazy bunch of asswipes- this is how it's GONNA BE! Knock of the sh*t and do your damned JOBS!"

And then I wake up, every time...

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by: Louise @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:23:10 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I also accept the nomination

Let's get started.

Louise/Keori 2012!!!

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:44:31 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I can't think of a ticket I'd feel better about voting for.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:57:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Actually

I'd be far better as "Court Jester and Tosser of Mashed Potatoes"...

Unlike Joe The Horny Plumber (JTHP), I am more than willing to admit that I "don't know anything about anything" some days!

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by: Louise @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:33:12 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

All right, I'll bite the bullet

Okay y'all. I'll stand up for the Presidential nomination. FSM knows I've spent enough time working 18 hours days in government trying to keep people from ruining other people's lives.

Louise, I DO want you on my staff. I'm starting up an office dedicated to improving the lives of Americans with disabilities, and I want you to run it. That means overseeing funding for mental health programs, assisted living, subsidized medications. You'll have to work closely with HHS as we develop nationalized health care, and work on fair housing programs. My older sister has volunteered to assist you in this critical job. She also has a munchkin with autism. Families who have to care for dis/differently-abled members face a lot more challenges and expenses than those where everyone is able-bodied.

Running mate? Do I hear calls for a running mate? Volunteers for Cabinet positions or other Executive Agencies? Come on, who's got the skills?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 12:41:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Please, please, PLEASE!

Put me in charge of the Office of Faith-based Initiatives.  

Though I have to say I'm more sensitive to health/disability issues these days than I've ever been.  A botched spinal cord operation last summer seems to have left me more or less permanently disabled.  I'd love to stick it to the medical establishment that did this to me, via some serious health care reform.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 16:32:22 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

No, put me in charge of Faith Based Initiatives,

 My first action would go to both houses of congress and request ZERO funding.  Then I would send everyone home for the day.  Call the power and phone company and have those services disconnected.  And last but not least, I would send the Pay per View Porno bill to Peter LeBarbera. We know that sucker is going to be sky high as it this department is still filled with a lot of Bush leftovers.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 00:05:31 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

We could call it

"The Freedom Of Religion Includes Freedom FROM Religion" Act.

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by: Louise @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 08:56:52 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

I think it would be a lot more fun

to deny funding to every Christian group in sight and instead give huge amounts of cash to Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, the Flying Spaghetti Monster and anyone else we could think of.  

Can't you just see Rick Warren, Tony Perkins, James Dobson and the rest seething with rage that "their" money is being given to their rivals for market share?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 09:58:06 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Barry even acknowledges

that it's not equal protection under the law.

And I have family who ask why I refuse to call him President Obama. Here is one of the reasons. Not my President.  

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:38:16 PM CDT

Pardon me that

should be "President Obama."

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:39:01 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Why do you think

I continually refer to him as "President Separate-But-Equal"? Because that's what he is.

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:45:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Great Catch Pam

And I have to agree that he did not have to add in the crap about supporting, "civil unions rather than same sex marriage." Why does he capitulate to the religious right this way? His parents lived in a time when they did not have equal rights across certain state borders. How can he not understand our situation??

So much for change. Spare me.
;)

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by: meileen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 20:50:03 PM CDT

IS he capitulating?

Or does he really BELIEVE this fucking crap?

Rage, rage against the Lying of the Right

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:01:16 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Obama circa 1960

"The President respects the decision of the Iowa Supreme Court, and continues to believe that states should make their own decisions when it comes to the issue of marriage. Although President Obama supports jumping the broom rather than mixed-race marriage, he believes that committed mixed-race couples should receive protection under the law."

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by: Stephanie @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:04:42 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Obama continues to disappoint on this issue

As does his friend Colin Powell.

What the fucking fuck.  

Rage, rage against the Lying of the Right

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by: Maryscott O'Connor @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:00:48 PM CDT

the White House has issued a correction

Note the update up top. Apparently that tiny paragraph was difficult to edit.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:02:31 PM CDT

and...?

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:10:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oh, it was correct the first time.

This man does not believe in equality. You know that, I know that, and everyone in this community is beginning to learn that if they didn't know it already.

The president can hold whatever personal or religious beliefs he wants to, but he governs us under civil law (which he obviously knows), not biblical law or how he "feels". The only reason civil unions and DPs exist is because too many Americans conflate religious and civil marriage. Conceptually, they are exactly the same thing, in practice (and in our ingrained culture) everyone knows they are not. He knows that. This is about political will and political strategy. It's pretty clear that the president chooses to follow, not lead on this one.

Pam's, let's not be disingenuous. He has shown time and again the past two years that not only will he not lead, he won't follow, and sadly, he won't get the hell out of the way. He will mouth platitudes for the PR while being an obstructionist to LGBT issues, same as he did all through the campaign. And all for the christian hate vote.

He couldn't even wait a full 24 hours to shit on our party. He had to remind everyone right away in case they forgot that he doesn't actually support LGBT citizens.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:17:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I don't believe they caught this on their own accord.

Perhaps someone checks your site? You know the only way they caught on was due to blogs as our old fourth estate is M.I.A.

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by: meileen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:56:11 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Utterly meaningless on their part, obviously.

You can't believe in equal rights but not believe in equal rights.  He's pleasing absolutely nobody with this absurd strategy.  The lip service just makes him look even worse.

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by: diablorobotico @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:04:35 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Although the President prefers that we have second class status

he leaves the level of discrimination against us up to the states.

That is in fact the substace of that he is saying.

The president of the United States prefers that we do not have equality and leaves the degree of our persecution up to the states.

I am not second class. My sister Lesbians are not second class, my brother gay men are not second class, neither oare my trans brothers and sisters.

Enough!

President Obama, read your nation's founding documents sometime.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:12:10 PM CDT

Oh yeah, states rights...

Wasn't that the ploy they used in the 1960's to keep mixed-race marriages from happening?

Dena

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" (or non) is so 2006.

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by: Denabeth @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:54:55 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

B-team

Wow, I hope nothing serious happens while the Obamas and their 500-person entourage are touring Europe.  Seriously, this statement (and its missing word, EQUAL, added late and quickly) really looks like it was put together by some interns at the White House.

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by: TeddySanFran @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:14:21 PM CDT

Relax folks

Did he even write this or did someone else screw it up before checking as to what was supposed to be said?

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by: Alvin McEwen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:14:47 PM CDT

the buck stops where?

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by: Lurleen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:23:54 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Exactly.

Obama himself says he's repsonsible for everything out of his office.  As he should be.  That's good enough for me.

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by: diablorobotico @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:06:00 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Great post, Pam

Would it be too much for Obama and other soft-bigot Democrats to add a little human empathy to their triangulation?  If the goal genuinely is to move the conversation forward?

How about "congratulations" to the couples who are now able to declare their commitment and properly care for themselves via legal protections?  How about being "happy and thankful" that the country is moving in the right direction.

If he's going to feed us shit, he could at least put some pretty sprinkles on top.

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by: Sportin' Life @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:16:19 PM CDT

Obama will support marriage equality

after his presidency ends. Gee this statement sure rings with the dedication of a fierce defender for gay equality.

Yeah, McCain would be worse but that does not excuse this crap.

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by: DilworthDem @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:44:13 PM CDT

Hmmmm.

I hate Repubs, but at least you know where you stand with them....

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by: meileen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:57:35 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

My hope is...

... he'll have a sudden "revelation" in the second half of his second term.  Of course, he has to get that term first.  And, of course, that's only what I feel is the best we can hope for -- doesn't mean I think it will happen.

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by: diablorobotico @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:07:37 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yes, people will falme me for this, but does anyone

remember an episode of "The West Wing" about a one day trip to California? (20 Hours in L.A.?)The last event of the day was a fund-raising dinner at a rich, gay Hollywood producer's mansion.

The producer threatened to cancel the dinner, because the President hadn't spoken out about some homophobic bill introduced, yet again, by a Rethuglican wingnut. He was placated, by the promise of alone time with the president. When they met, President Bartlett explained that this particular bill had been proposed every year, by the same House member, and had never gone anywhere, and would never go anywhere. {paraphrase from memory.} "Well, then why won't you speak against it?"

"Because I know what I'm doing!" said president Bartlett "My mouth is a starting gun, and if I say one word about this, that becomes the story of the year, and everything else stops!" (Again, this is from imperfect memory.)

President Obama also made a little funny about legalizing marijuana in his on-line presser. I disagree with both things Obama said, and I doubt he really believes either of them. But right now the corporate-owned-media is busy filing stories about the "inappropriate" I-Pod, and "teleprompter-gate". Michelle's clothing choices are as important as the rest of the G20 stories put together. That's where I want to keep things.

In Iowa, a wonderful thing happened today. The federal government had nothing to do with it. As a City-boy, I have hope that the California supreme court will also do the right thing. Whatever the court decides, the federal government will have nothing to do with that decision either. And, no mater what the court does, I know that President Obama will say absolutely nothing to screw things up.

State by state, day by day, we're gaining ground. Yes, I want marriage equality, I'd also like decriminalization of marijuana, and a pony. But I'd rather have more customers at my job, I'd rather be able to change my job without worrying about my health care, hell, I'd rather be able to buy groceries knowing that the evil pistachio nuts aren't out to get me.

Yes, I'm being selfish. I know that some people would rather the administration say, "screw the economy, gay marriage is more important!" or "Repealing DADT is more important than ending the War." Sorry, I don't feel that way. Until the president is willing to say to the speaker of the house, "I want a federal marriage equality bill proposed, and I want 200 co-sponsors." or "I want the UCMJ revised to repeal DADT, with a floor vote in two weeks" the president can't say anything. One wrong phrase, and the right wing noise machine takes off running. I'm glad they guy has a teleprompter.  

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 21:56:35 PM CDT

P.S. Iowa is a done deal. IIRC, the only way it can be undone

is if the Iowa legislature passes a proposed amendment, in two consecutive legislative sessions, to be followed by a popular vote. That means the earliest vote would be in the 2012 general election, which would make the 2012 primaries very interesting indeed.  

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:00:12 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Guess you received your talking points.

I ain't buying it.

They could repeal DADT now as we are in 2 wars, right?

My hunch is your boss will wait another year or so and do it then to rally our community for our volunteerism and dollars for his next campaign. My other hunch is our community will see right through it this time. A girl can dream.

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by: meileen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:00:52 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

My boss is a grumpy Republican computer geek.

There's a picture of GWB hanging in the bathroom. No kidding.

Yes, "they" could repeal DADT now, if "they" didn't want to do anything else for six to nine months. And the repeal would stick, and in 2010, we'd lose some in the House, and some in the Senate. And the next budget negotiations would be gone over with a fine tooth comb, and anything that could possibly be construed as favorable to the "gay agenda" would be fought over, tooth and nail.

You don't want to volunteer? You want to keep your money? Fine. If you manage to make an issue of this now, you're better off keeping your money. I really don't want to "win" a Pyrrhic victory.  

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:03:02 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Where do you get the Democrats would lose seats,

  just for repealing DADT? Where do you get the Democrats would lose anything for pushing forward LGBT rights?  

 This is the problem with finger in the wind Democrats.  Lets take our issues one by one.

 DADT.  the Majority of the population approve of dumping DADT.  The mere fact that other militaries have open gay and lesbian service members with no problems the religious right say will happen to ours.  Is our military that much different that it would completely stop functioning? NO, it is all pie in the sky is falling right wing paranoia and fear Bull Shit.  I have heard that openly gay and lesbian service members would go against the christian beliefs that many members have.  That is basically saying that only christians should be able to serve in the armed forces.  You can't have a Buddhist, Jew or an Atheist serving.  What about LGBT accepting Christians?  OH, that right, we are told they are not REAL christians.  I will claim one point here.

 ENDA.  Many poles show that there is positive support for the passage of ENDA. Amazing, all the co-sponsors of HB 2015 were re-elected.  It was only when HRC and Barney Frank became gutless did it begin to fall apart.  The split was compromise to try and get more republicans and a few conservadems on board. All at the same time knowing Bush was going to veto it.  Interestingly enough, the states that have passed ENDAs that have been inclusive of us Ts have had none of the problems the right claim will happen.  The religious right had to stage an incident to try and prove their lunacy in Maryland.  They got caught and looked like the idiots they are.  If you look at where the Ts have tried to be added in after the fact is when it fails.  Colorado passed an inclusive ENDA in 2006 and went into effect in 2007.  The Democrats gained a house representative and a senate seat.  Marilyn Musgrave lost her seat, and she was one of the biggest anti-gay bigots in the House of Representatives. The simple fact that most major companies have non-discrimination policies in place tells you something.  Pepsi Co. stood up to the Bigots should also tell you something.
I will gladly take another point.

 UAFA, this is a no brainer, Both the Senate and the House have these bills sleeping in committee.  They need to be move forward.  Just this week the house added two more co-sponsors bringing it to 97.  Studies have shown there isn't any opposition to them.  

 Hate Crimes.  This is a winning issue.  Every state that has added sexual orientation and gender identity to their hate crimes laws is living proof that the right wing's objection is a bunch of hooey. If any of these dirt bags lost their religious freedoms in states that have enacted hate crimes laws, you know they would be screaming and protesting.  We would see examples of their freedoms being lost.  Where is the outrage from the religious right in these states?  Exactly, there isn't any outrage because all their claims are to get the sheeple in a donating money frenzy.  Only the sickest minds would support the beating or murder of another human being.  TEH Gay defense is slowly making progress of being laughed out of court.  The Lawrence King and Matthew Shepard killings are having their impact.  Both were murders that didn't need to happen.  The trial of the Murderer of Angie Zapata is coming soon, and we will see how that plays out. You can believe it is going to get media attention because of the brutality of the murder as well as Angie's transgender status. Even in Utah, Senator Buttars got his ass handed to him for his rantings.  I will take another point.

 DOMA.  This is one that President Obama ran on. IMHO it will be the most controversial pro-LGBT issues he promised.  Obama is contradicting himself when he speaks on the issue of SSM and continues his one man one woman line of Bull Shit.  He must know that the repeal of DOMA will land same-sex marriages in courts across the land challenging all the Hate Amendments that have passed in every state.  He had to out do Hillary in the primaries to get the LGBT vote. If you recall, then Senator Clinton only wanted to repeal a part of DOMA, Obama went for the whole thing.  It was this move that got most LGBT folks to support him instead of Hillary Clinton.  Could he get the repeal done?  I believe he could, but I don't think he is willing to cash in his chips for us LGBT folks.  He is also too busy trying to curry favor with the religious right, which IMHO is a big mistake. But that is for another thread.  On April 24, Marriage Equality goes into effect Iowa.  There really isn't a way to put a stop to it except by constitutional amendment, and according to reports, an amendment would not be able to be enforceable until 2012.  The leader of the Iowa Senate has said that while he is in control, there will be no amendment.  My guess will be Obama will see how the 2010 midterms go in Iowa before he even touches DOMA.  No posible points to be awarded.

 Summation,   DADT and UAFA are two LGBT issues that could be brought forward now and not cost any seats.  The delay will cost them the seats as LGBT folks will be fed up with the continuous view of the bottom of the bus.  Marriage Equality in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Iowa will be prime examples that the sky isn't falling as well in the 2010 mid terms.  Religious freedoms will still not be harmed, and thus no protests from the right wingers.  Mean while, they will continue to fleece the sheeple out of more money as New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire and Maine pursue Marriage Equality.  Vermont is unsettled as of now, but my guess is that if the republican governor does veto the Equality Bill, he will be toast as poles show 55% of Vermonters approve of passing Marriage Equality.  I know here in Colorado, there are two Democratic candidates all ready preparing to challenge Mike Cofmann (R) district 6 as he is a do nothing but say NO to everything.  Add in the fact that the republicans are doing everything they can to keep Al Franken from being seated in Minnesota, Mel Martinez's senate seat in Florida is up for grabs in 2010 as well as the rest of the Senate seats that Democrats have right now that are up in 2010 are all pretty safe except for Senator Burris of Illinois, there is nothing to truly lose. But the time to act on repealing DADT is now.  Have atleast one year of open gay and lesbians serving, as there wouldn't be any incidents, It would only be a win for Democratic candidates that supported Equality.  

   

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by: HappyCat @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:37:05 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

If ya gotta hang a photo of Dumbya

that IS the correct room, though...

I'd suggest he add ones of Cheney and Rove, too. And put in more paper.

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by: Louise @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:38:16 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

you forget

that there are a shitload of kinda important federal rights and benefits attached to marriage.  that's not asking for a pony, it's asking for your left lung to be installed.

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by: Lurleen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:01:43 PM CDT

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What good are "federal rights and benefits" if you're

living in a tent city?

Maybe you're rich, I'm not. I'm too old to be hired by another company, I have preexisting health conditions, and the job market for free-lance computer geeks isn't what it used to be. Excuse me if I'd rather eat rice than throw it at your wedding.

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:06:50 PM CDT

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Makes a difference in the size of the tent

I lost my job in January, and with it myhealth insurance. I can't afford Cobra and my mortgage, so I had to keep the roof over my head, and I can't be added to my partner's health coverage because we are not legally married. And even if they offered domestic partner benefits it would not only increase the cost of his insurance (like a married couple) but would make it into a taxable benefit (unlike a married couple.

Marriage affects people financially, including rights to damamges for attempted murder, ownership and inheritance of property, filing taxes, protection from creditors in the event of death, rights to recover damages from employer in event of wrongful death, protection of property, medical leave, insurance coverage, and more.

An certicate costing about $80 bucks provides more rights than the few legal statements I can get from an attorney for several thousands of dollars, and the marriage certificate will stand up in court against an uncaring family...

I understand being poor, but since we are not married we have not legal protection and if anything were to happen to either of us (whether death or disability) we'd lose everything even the rice.

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by: belfrieboi @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 00:40:53 AM CDT

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Good point

Amen, Jacques. ;p. It's all about strategy. While I like President Obama, voted for him, and will probably vote for him again, I only view his administration regarding lgbt issues as a means to an end. President Obama will not be in our corner in every issue that is important to us but his administration is easier to work through than say, a Republican administration.

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by: Alvin McEwen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:43:24 PM CDT

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Maybe I wasn't clear. I think the guy has his heart in

the right place as far as LGBT issues go. I don't think it's a "means to an end" to him. I think that DADT will go, but not today. About marriage equality on a federal level, I'm not so sure. Maybe in the last half of his second term, if we can keep a majority in congress. (OTOH, if things look really crappy as far as reelection goes, we might get marriage equality in the second half of his first term. Trading marriage equality for a Republican president.

^{Yay, we win!}

But until then, Obama's got to keep his mouth shut. I was surprised there wasn't a huge uproar over Michelle not planting beets in the new WH garden because Barack didn't like them. I remember George H.W. Bush's big too do over his saying he didn't like broccoli, and now that he was president, no one could make him eat broccoli. Of course, that was during teleprompter-gate, so...

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:22:54 PM CDT

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Every issue?

President Obama will not be in our corner in every issue that is important to us

I never expect any politician to be in my corner on every issue - I'm way too far left for that. I want him to be in my corner on ANY issue. Even on the ones where he's got 75%+ support nationally (DADT), he's wimped out, and caved to the fundies. How is that leadership? How is that change?

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing

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by: QueerInSoCal @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 07:22:28 AM CDT

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I have two words for President Obama,

FUCK YOU! I hope every LGBT person will remember his statements come 2012. I caught hell from people when I was saying I am not going to vote for him.  I got told now is not the time for a protest vote.  Well, 2012 damn sure will be.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:10:02 PM CDT

I'm sure the Palin administration will treat us well...

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:25:47 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Or Huckabee,

or Jindal, or Romney, or Gingrich, or whatever nut the base throws at us.

I am the lizard queen!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:29:57 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I am sorry, I just happen to believe

that being a token vote for a political party sucks.  I feel it is better to vote for someone than against someone. I happen to have faith in the youth of this country and they deserve better then what we have. If that requires telling a political party that we have had enough of your damn lip service, so be it.  

I don't want to have to look back 30 years from now and see us fighting the same stupid shit the LGBT community was fighting back in the 1970s.  Why is it so bad that when a politician makes a campaign promise we expect them to stick to it?

With Jindal, Palin, Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee, or who ever, atleast I know what I have coming at me so I wont get stabbed in the back.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:00:26 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

That's your choice

I can no longer criticize someone for not voting, so do what you think is right. However, I have different priorities. Of course, I'm twenty, so I can take a longer term view. Like I said: your choice.

I am the lizard queen!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:04:03 AM CDT

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I'm with Kitty on this one.

As long as the democratic party thinks we are an "in the bag" voting bloc, they will do nothing to further our issues. Period.

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by: meileen @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 20:26:09 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Just remember:

the Democrats are entitled to your vote and your mindless support.  Suggesting that you might actually consider voting for someone else if they continue to do nothing for you is exactly the same as supporting the Republicans -- even if you live in a state like California where the Dems will carry the state even without the clothespin votes of people of conscience.

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by: M @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:59:43 AM CDT

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I don't see how any "thinking" person

could actually READ the Iowa decision and not come to the same conclusion that the justices did.  If you haven't read it all, please do.  It made me SMILE the entire time I was reading it as it step by step took apart every argument that has been used to deny equal right to LGBTs and showed those arguments for what they really were.

They showed there was no logic whatsoever to the arguments like "protecting the children" or "saving traditional marriage" or "destroying religion".

It was a GREAT read.  And, I don't see how Obama, the supposed constitutional scholar, could read it and not come to the same conclusion.  The only excuse he would have would be because it would be politically damaging for him to support marriage equality.  Well, it was politically damaging for LBJ to support civil rights legislation too, but he did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do.  

Does Obama want to be remembered for being on the right sode of history?  Or, the politically safe side?

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by: timNC @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:19:31 PM CDT

Obama will want to be remembered for being on the right side of history

during the 2nd half of his 2nd term.

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by: rfloh @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:44:13 PM CDT

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Someone please tell me what this site is?

The news moves so fast in here, I got my crappy education in IN, give me a break.   www.gaysagainstobama.org  Is this site LRC or what?

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by: berta @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:06:05 PM CDT

this is new to me

gaysagainstobama.org...hmmmm...after taking a read it appears to be someone who sees through the "Obama is a REAL progressive" meme. Has links to a LOT of the radical queer/trans elements out there. This could make for some interesting reading.

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by: Keori @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:22:42 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yes, It's very interesting reading

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:32:09 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I guess www.SaveOurChildrenFromBarackObama.com was taken?

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:30:23 AM CDT

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You mean this one

They put in pictures with a message.  This one is fitting in a way, Knowing God is in the Mix.  or  "Marriage is between one man and one woman"    Yeah, that fits him right,

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 04:23:02 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

LOL. Yeah that's one!

The idea behind this picrue is brilliant, if you read Elian's text with it. Point being, it's the same bigotry.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:33:00 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

that's "picture"

of course. trying to down my first cup of coffee, still.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:38:16 AM CDT

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Not at all from what I can tell

It's a critique of Obama from the left, I've read a piece or 2 by one of the contributors. He's as critical of white gays as he is of Obama.

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by: kevinchi @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:31:09 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

As long as I'm not automatically a racist due to being both white and lesbian

I get enough of THAT shit from Renee, thanks much. Judge me on my own merits and we'll talk.

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by: Keori @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:53:09 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oh, I don't get that read from Elian

at all. I went through most of the stories on the sight, he actually gives Pam a few props.

And don't get me started with Reness, I'm the gay Uncle Tom to her.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:40:40 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Sounds like someone

I wanna avoid, being white-female-straight. ;)

Honestly, is is really so hard for some people to set their preconceived notions of an INDIVIDUAL based on labelling?

Never mind, I already know the answer... :(

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by: Louise @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 09:00:43 AM CDT

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wow, some great reading.

this sums up my thoughts pretty well, with a boldness i admire.  it was written in response to the latest addition of a hater to obama's inner circle

Do I have permission to be angry now?

Probably not.

I suspect he'd have to disembowel a 12 year old transgendered kid with his bare hands while screaming "faggot" at the top of his lungs in order for liberals to conclude that Obama might be a tad homophobic and transphobic. Even then most liberals and "progressives" would probably claim that the murder was just another part of the ingenious strategy hatched by Obama's omniscient mind to ultimately further LGBTQ liberation. As a mere mortal, I suppose I have no right to question His infinite wisdom.

What line does Obama have to cross before you start holding him accountable?

I am looking forward to hearing the creative excuses all you liberals and "progressives" will undoubtedly make for Obama this time.

I appreciate the "concerns" that many of you liberals have expressed about my well-being because of how "negative" and "angry" I've become since Obama's inauguration, but I assure you that your "concerns" are unwarranted. In fact, such statements are rather condescending.

I find it....interesting....that many of the same people who now claim to be ever-so-concerned and worried about me due to my intense anger towards Obama and my criticisms of his policies never raised an eyebrow when I expressed the exact same sentiments about Bush. Heck, they usually joined in and often took things up a notch or two. Yet when I now angrily criticize their team for the exact same reasons I previously criticized Bush, they suddenly become "concerned" and "worried" about me.

How sweet.

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by: Lurleen @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:05:08 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oh, but did you see the picture

that went with that article? Whoa!

Elian has no love for the HRC either!  

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:20:33 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Well-written

The picture? Never expected to see it. Working on understanding the perspective. And I do like Elian's response to the responses to the picture.

I particularly like THIS post - "Aren't You People Over Rick Warren Yet".

This is a blog I could read more of. Some of it I agree with, some of it I don't, and I expect to learn some things and be challenged by reading it. Adding it to the blogroll.

Thanks for the tip, berta!

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by: Keori @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 02:03:37 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

This is why...

Obama was my fourth choice in the Democratic primaries last year.  As my husband just said after reading this post, "Obama doesn't give a shit about gay people."

Truer words were never spoken.

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by: TomTallis @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 23:23:49 PM CDT

Sun Tzu pointed out the value of having a

"public face".

I was railing on about Rick Warren, and someone told me a story about an Engineering professor at a prestigious university. Said professor was a strong supporter of a "liberal" well, radical literary magazine. This was in the mid-late 1960s.

Professor A was quite liberal himself, but talented. Soon, he was head of the department, then dean of the school, then president of the university. With each promotion, his public face became more conservative, until, when he was made president, he was more than a little right-of-center.

By the time Professor A was made president, the person telling me the story was the editor of the liberal/radical literary campus magazine, and one day he asked Professor A why he had changed his views so, and still could be such a strong supporter of the magazine. Professor A replied, "What I say in public comes with the job. You can't be a president of a major university unless you are perceived as being right-of-center."

When you run in a Democratic primary you can run as left of center. If you run far left of center, you won't win, but you'll get your ideas out there. For people like Kucinich, that's enough.

When you're running in the general, you can be left of your opponent, but closer to the center.

When you're president, if you're going to be a good one, there are things you must say, things that you may say, and a lot of times, the things you'd like to say, you can't.

There was a story a while ago, about how Barack had invited a bunch of congress-people to the White House to watch a football game. John McCain declined the invitation. At first, lots of us thought this was a snub, but as it turns out, John's pretty asocial when the game's on, very focused on the action, no chit chat.

My point is that John McCain is someone who can decline an invitation to be able to watch the game the way he enjoys. Barack put himself out, knowing that he'd have to be nice to people that, if he has a lick of sense, hates with the fury of a thousand white hot suns. He didn't have to extend the invitation, having done so, he had to invite some people he wasn't fond of, or it would become an issue. Once these people were in his home, there were certain things he could not say.  

Remember what FDR said, "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Have you written/called a congress-critter today? 8.25, 6.21

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by: Jacques @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:00:23 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

right, it's all an ingenious plan

to outsmart everyone on the right.  let me know when the progressive payoff begins.

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by: Lurleen @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:06:53 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

WOW, what a story,

  here I thought we elected leaders to lead.  My oh my when it is time for the hard truth and facts, it is time to lose your spine.  

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:48:28 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

The reason...

that I did NOT support Obama in the primaries is that he has no moral center.  Thank you for making my point.

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by: TomTallis @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 03:06:53 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Better that Obama

is going with the Sun Tzu analogy than Machiavellian tactics.

Time will tell if that is the case or not.


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by: Louise @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:43:54 AM CDT

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It's called projection, Jacques.

There is no credible way you could know anything at all about Obama's likes, dislikes or motives except with reference to his actions.

His actions, as opposed to his hustles, are vigorously anti-GLBT, pro-war and very much resemble the antics of a tail-wagging lap dog when it comes to the uber rich looters who wrecked our economy. He gives them a trillion or so every few weeks. A trillion here and a trillion there and pretty soon we're talking real money.

And you can bet he'll get as much for his 'service' as Clinton, who by some miracle of accounting is now a gazillionaire, did for his efforts. This is, after all, the biggest banana republic of them all.

"Psychological projection can be defined as unconsciously assuming that others share the same or similar thoughts, beliefs, values, or positions on any given subject. ... whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings-basically parts of oneself-onto someone else..."

From the wiki

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  

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by: donal1944 @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 08:44:32 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Perhaps.

And it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if Obama is homophobic / transphobic. Or, it doesn't matter if Obama is gay himself. It doesn't matter that as his supporters so often repeat, that he is a constitutional scholar. It doesn't matter what he thinks to himself.

What matters is what he does. Good intentions are nice. Actual deeds are far nicer.

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by: rfloh @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 21:02:19 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Thanks for hiting me back

I had sent the gaysagainstobama site to a progressive buddy of mine and he fired back with "didn't know gaysagainstobama were fans of Rush"  I could tell it was some radical stuff, but sometimes just need some help. thanks again.

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by: berta @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 00:27:40 AM CDT

Shame on you, Mr. President.

FIRST, Mr. President, you pick Rick Warren to deliver your inaugural invocation;

NEXT, you select five, all MALE, conservative evangelical pastors to counsel you as your personal chaplains;

THEN, you invite the outspoken homophobe, Tony Dungy, to serve as an advisor on your Faith-Based Partnerships Counsel;

AND NOW, Mr. President, on the same day that Iowa Justices write that they are "firmly convinced the exclusion of gay and lesbian people from the institution of civil marriage" is unconstitutional and an "offense to core American values" you, Mr. President, issue a statement to the country saying that you believe same-sex couples should be refused the same rights to civil marriage that all other Americans enjoy.

The honeymoon is over, Mr. President. Is this the 'change' you promised us? Shame, shame on you; and thanks for nothing.

Steven in San Francisco, CA

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by: SBaumanSF @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 05:11:16 AM CDT

Lemme ask

because I am also on first 1/2 cup of coffee... has anyone seen public reaction from other high ranking Democrats?

I looked last night and found NOTHING...

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by: Louise @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:45:31 AM CDT

None outside of Iowa

I'm looking now.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:53:31 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

So what produced the same old, same old this time in this thread?

The fact that President Obama reiterated his position on marriage again?  Gasp! go all the LGBT progressives. There's gambling at Rick's?  Go back less than a year ago and read the disgusting anti-Hillary screeds on this blog.  Go back to when Obama and Biden SPELLED OUT their positions about one man-one woman. Weren't you listening?  Ah, there's nothing like a (Obama) lover scorned.

Or the fact that it took his staff all of an hour or two to correct a press release? Like Bush ever corrected anything.

The response is never proportional around here.  The sky is always falling!!!111!!  For heavens sake, can't you enjoy the Iowa victory without immediately searching desperately around for something to feel crappy about?  On the scale of things, how frigging important was this (corrected) announcement?

I wouldn't want someone from this crowd within 10 miles of any of my elected representatives, with your "bastard Obama" this and "asshole president" that. Has anyone noticed that 95% of the rest of the country is close to terrified when they think of their present economic situation?  Do you actually ever talk to friends in that other 95% about gay issues? We may hate it, but our civil rights are not exactly at the top of their lists.

This really is an extraordinary time in American history.  Oh, never mind.

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 16:00:32 PM CDT

Thank you. I'm not ready to start impeachment

proceedings because President Obama isn't going to comment on an issue that the administration isn't ready to do anything about. One intemperate remark, and the mighty right wing noise machine derails anything from happening for months.  

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by: Jacques @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 18:41:06 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Reads to me like you shouldn't be posting here.

We're discussing the Iowa victory and lack of backbone of our leader, the one who campaigned for our votes. If we can't bit*h about his lack of support on this monumental occasion, exactly when can we complain?

And will you be providing us with a schedule for future, 0bama endorsed, bit*hing sessions?

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by: meileen @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 20:37:10 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Welcome to The Blend!

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 22:19:25 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Obama's Staff

I don't believe they caught this on their own accord. (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps someone checks your site? You know the only way they caught on was due to blogs as our old fourth estate is M.I.A.
by: meileen @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 22:56:11 PM EDT

Actually, my guess is they would have seen the reaction on the Advocate, since they sent the press release to the Advocate.  The reaction there was scathing.

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by: lloydletta2 @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 20:56:13 PM CDT

an important note about the Obama statement on Iowa

I receive press releases from the White House with official reactions to events all day long, some pretty mundane, others that are significant. Nada on reaction to Iowa, even though it has national implications. What you received was a result of reporting by Kerry Eleveld of The Advocate, who picked up the phone to get the statement (and the "correction").

In contrast, it took no time for an official White House  statement to be e-blasted about the president's reaction (and action taken) regarding the shooting in Binghamton, NY, even though the President is busy and on the road abroad.

"Michelle and I were shocked and deeply saddened to learn about the act of senseless violence in Binghamton, NY today.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, their families and the people of Binghamton. We don't yet know all the facts, but my administration is actively monitoring the situation and the Vice President is in touch with Governor Paterson and local officials to track developments."

I think it's fair to say that this one was buried on a Friday night for a reason. Not a good one. And the thing is, it would have been so simple to applaud the ruling and just leave out the disingenuous nonsense.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 08:40:50 AM CDT

As well as

now the police officers shot and killed in Pittsburgh yesterday.

We've got to put together a post this week regarding all of the shooting lately- there was another bad murder-suicide in Washington state this weekend too:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0...

These stories are horrible, scary and seemingly EVERYWHERE.

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by: Louise @ Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 09:06:01 AM CDT

[ Parent ]