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Dem NY State Senator Rubén Díaz organizing anti-marriage equality rally

by: Pam Spaulding

Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:45:00 AM EDT


"As long as you need me, there will be no gay marriage."
-- NY State Senator Rubén Díaz, a Democrat who knows his party won't challenge him on his bigoted views.
This is a perfect example of why the Democratic party needs to check itself -- just because someone has a (D) behind their name does not mean they hold Dem principles, or even engage in rational thought -- a lack of understanding of the separation of church and state should at least be a baseline for god's sake.

I mean come on, State Senator Rubén Díaz Sr. has called for Governor David Paterson's removal over the marriage equality issue.

"We will bring out thousands and thousands of Hispanic evangelical Christians in the city of New York to ask Governor Paterson to step aside."
What kind of Democrat is this? And worse, no person of color has any business discriminating, yet the Democratic party lets people like Diaz get away with this bigotry. Why? They need his vote. (NYT):
Mr. Díaz, a conservative Democrat and a Pentecostal minister, is one of the staunchest opponents of same-sex marriages in New York. Democrats took control of the State Senate in November, but they hold a slim majority, 32 to 30, and their leaders are fearful of alienating Mr. Díaz and others by holding a vote on same-sex marriage.
The fear is something I've been talking about for ages here on the Blend. White pols are afraid to hold POC bigots accountable for fear of losing the socially conservative (read religion-based homobigot) votes of those who otherwise are staunchly loyal Dem votes. They don't want the race card to be played (and those POC Dems know it), and thus the white pols -- and advocacy leaders of quite pale organizations -- feel rendered helpless -- and feel it's left to minority LGBTs to do the dirty work of calling these homophobes of color out.

The bottom line and the reality is that too many LGBTs of color who feel unwilling or unable to decloset to do so, and those who are aren't in positions of power in the LGBT establishment and thus the continued illusion people see is gay=white. And so the Rubén Díazs of the world continue to rule the roost unchecked by Dem peers:

He said he felt the timing of Mr. Paterson's announcement Thursday was particularly disrespectful to Christians, coming four days after Easter and a day after the installation of Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan as the new leader of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of New York.

"We evangelical Christians just ended our holy week, and the Catholics are receiving their leaders this week," Mr. Díaz said. "He doesn't even give him a chance to come to the city, and boom that's the first thing that Archbishop Dolan is confronted with."

Mr. Díaz said he had sent a letter to Archbishop Dolan asking for a meeting. (The text of that letter, which Mr. Díaz's office released to reporters, did not directly mention same-sex marriage, although it praised Archbishop Dolan for "your message of love and respect for the dignity of all stages of human life, and respect for marriage and families.)

The Rev. Michael Lopez, of the Love, Power and Grace Church in the Bronx, who attended the meeting, said that same-sex marriage "is contrary not only to our beliefs, but to the Hispanic community. People have to understand that in the countries we come from this is not only a no no, it is something anti-Biblical and anti-religion."

What the hell does Easter week have anything to do with civil marriage? And Lopez throws down a another scare card -- announcing that he knows the view of the entire Hispanic community on the issue. Watch that go unchallenged. You see, this kind of B.S. is no problem for Díaz and like-minded Dems who share the view of Republican bible beaters that the U.S. needs to be a theocracy.

When are you going to see any NY Dem in that legislature go on the record calling out Díaz specifically for the ridiculous church-state conflation? Don't hold your breath. I would be pleasantly surprised to be wrong on this one.

And as it's quite obvious, this isn't a New York problem. This is a Democratic party problem. It manifests itself in the whole "go slow" attitude on legislation that during the election year promises sounded like change was around the corner; it's the whole "uh, oh, we need to be re-elected in 2010" nonsense; it's the sudden "we can't multitask on civil rights while the economy is in the crapper" whining. All of this was so predictable, given the past spineless of Dems we've seen over the years. They had the cover of being in the minority, but now in the majority, nothing much has changed.

You see, if you're going to effect change, as Gov. Paterson is trying to do with this legislation, you have to be prepared as a party to address the larger schism of race, religion and homophobia head-on. In a vacuum of a counter-message, the evangelical anti-gays plant seeds and watch them grow in these religious communities of color. Any success is not due to the brilliance of the Religious Right, but its ability and willingness to capitalize on the Democratic party's self-imposed weakness and impotence regarding discipline on basic civil rights issues because of the race card.

We can win these issues in the courts (and legislatures where a socially conservative minority population is small), but we will not have a serious impact on changing minds country-wide if our side remains silent on this matter. As you can see, even in a Blue state, characters like State Senator Díaz have no fear that the party is going to come down on him.

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It's called a primary
No matter how invulnerable an incumbent may seem, even in a majority-minority district, they're not invulnerable.

If you live in NY state, this bigot has years of votes to sift through for a primary challenger.

If you live in NC near Winston-Salem, Rep. Earline "I'm a minister" Parmon, has years of votes a challenger can sift through and develop a campaign against - particulary smoking issues.

Her fellow NC-state-level-bigot-incumbent former Rep. Mary McAllister was felled in a primary election in 2008 in a heavily Democratic district by a small margin.  Although anti-LGBT issues, weren't the primary argument used, the bottom line is she's gone now.

It can be done, but it is rarely done through the party structure because they are incumbents.  It takes a small group of dedicated local folks to make it happen.


The problem is....
I'm not sure what Diaz's voting record looks like.  First, there aren't that many floor votes in New York (if the Democratic machine wants a vote, a bill comes to the floor and all the D's vote for it, otherwise not).  Second, Diaz's record might be really progressive aside from being batshit crazy when it comes to LGBT people.  In other words, the solution is to call Diaz out on his homophobia-- not to try finding something "safer" that's wrong with his record.

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or
grab on to something that Gov. Paterson wanted and Blumberg seconded - transparency. And I think here we can make common cause with even the most conservative Republicans in the state. I think that Gov. Paterson needs to come out clearer with that issue, and then we need to start working with it as well, because frankly I don't like the way that Albany operates.

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Diaz has been in the NY Senate for more than just this year, right?
I though he was elected in 2002.  The Dems were not in control of the chamber until after this past election.  Surely he has some problematic votes to a Democratic primary constituency.

To your second point, I personally don't care if he's "progressive" on other issues.  Diaz has no problem taking a verbal and legislative baseball bat to my brothers' and sisters' civil rights, and his political career must pay a price rather than being rewarded for it.

I have noted in the past that even Rep. Parmon has co-sponsored LGBT supportive legislation, and I still strongly advocate engagement with her.  However, I do not advocate capitulation to her bigotry even in the well-intended and necessary name of legislative pragmatism.  

I feel the same way about so-called progressive friends who oppose "hate crimes" laws based on some high-minded philosophy(ies) while their fellow citizens they claim to represent or bear kinship with continue to live in fear for their physical safety in less forgiving environs.  I can think of a strong LGBT ally in the NC legislature who works to kill our hate crimes bill just as she works to kill the marriage amendment every year.

I'm glad to have these partial allies, but I will continue to work to make them complete allies, or replace them with more complete allies.


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I would think that Black Democrats
would be offended by the demand by Diaz that the Governor of New York, an African_American, step aside simply because he has offended Hispanic sensibilities which he claims to represent.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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That's where the specificity of New York comes into play
You have those that identify as both in New York (i.e. Dominicans) The African American-Latino politics in New York is miiiiiiles away from what it is in, say, California.

That's very tricky, Maura!


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Diaz doesn't identify as both, so not so tricky
He identifies as Puerto-Rican.
His campaigns would see him greeting people at subway trains with "Hey man, you Puerto-Rican? So am I"

Diaz, Jr worked a "Rainbow coalition" to smash the hold of the Rivera family on politics in the Bronx, then cast the "rainbow" aside. Latinas are noticably absent from power in the Bronx as well.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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Oh, and...
Diaz lobbied to keep Malcolm Smith out the Majority Leader's seat and threatened to vote with the Republicans to hand them committee chairmanships.

Malcolm Smith is African-American.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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Smith on Marriage
I have been and continue to be a strong supporter of marriage equality and remain steadfast in my commitment to passing the marriage equality legislation submitted today by Governor Paterson. No person should ever be denied their civil rights or the basic freedoms others can enjoy.

I am fully committed to continuing the process of securing the 32 votes necessary for passage and ensuring that all New Yorkers can realize the right of marriage equality which is fundamentally theirs."



I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Thank you, Maura
See, I don't know NY politics, that can be a tricky situation. Depending on the locality and even the constituency, you will find African American/Latino alliances.  

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Local knowledge is important
I am a Democratic district leader in neighboring Westchester, and Bronx politics being what it is, it is unlikely that anyone will be able to successfully challenge State Senator "Reverend" Ruben Diaz, Sr. in a primary or general election.  Diaz is only a "right-wing-nut" when it comes to LGBT issues.  Within our community, he looks bad.  But he has a "D" for a reason - on many other issues, he's good -- for the elderly, the poor and especially the Hispanic interests. His son (who is not terrible on LGBT issues) just handily won the race for Bronx Borough President.  Let's put it this way, just trying someone to be willing to run against him is a problem; in his district he seems to be invulnerable.

If he, with the rest of the "Gang of Three" Democrats (Diaz, Espada, Kruger) who were holding out the possibility of keeping Republicans in control of the State Senate (the Democrats only just got a 1 vote majority for the first time in decades in the last election) had not made peae with the Democrats, it might have made him vulnerable.

He is being investigated by the FBI for financial irregularities.  There have been leaks, but no indictments.  About the only thing that would impact his Teflon image in his district would be a conviction, and even with that, most people in his district would believe he was framed regardless of whether there are any actual improprieties.

I was going to have a weekly demonstration outside his Pentacostalist Bronx Church - challenging his "Christianity" bona fides.

This, despite the neighborhood the church is in, IF he went with the Republicans and kept them in power in the Senate.  The "demonstration outside his Church" idea is still a possibility - but the focus has to be on the religion issue.

The way it is, Ruben Diaz all by himself is not going to block marriage in New York.  There are about five or six Democrats who will not vote for marriage, and the ball right now is largely in the hands of LCR (as well as constituents!) in Republican districts, to advance the idea that "real conservatives are FOR marriage equality."

Think of Diaz as a huge boulder in a river - we get nowhere by trying to move the boulder, but we do well to find a way to flow around him.


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... he's a Pentecostal minister?!
No fucking wonder - Those people define insanity! Look, i was deep into religion, for almost two years, but left it long before i even came out gay.
I am all for Freedom-of-Fucking-Religion, but it angers me that we allow these mentally ill individuals to make laws that force the rest of us "non believers" to live by it.

http://realitybong.wordpress.com

You don't understand
Religious freedom says he gets to practice his beliefs freely - and his belief just happens to be that Christians should spread their message to all four corners of the planet and impose their beliefs on everyone else - therefore religious freedom means that he gets to impose his beliefs on everyone else.

See how that works?


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A nifty idea...
A nifty idea.  I wonder if I could use it to fund my graduate studies.

I think it is time for a press release.  Here goes:

Attention people of Earth!  It is my deeply-held belief that almighty Zod has appointed me supreme governor of the Earth and all of its people, charging me to watch over them and command them as I see fit.  Zod has decreed that my edicts are to be obeyed upon penalty of death.

My first proclamation as your governor is that there is to be a series of exhibition death matches, to be fought in the nude by participants armed only with meathooks.  The first match will be between Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh.  The second will be between George W. Bush and Tony Perkins.  Further matches will be announced at a later date.

My second proclamation is that 100 cases of Tang are to be delivered to my home address tomorrow, free of charge.

If those are my deeply-held beliefs, then doesn’t it violate my religious freedom to withhold from me my death matches and my Tang?  At the very least, shouldn’t I be able to avoid criminal prosecution for killings I must perform in order to do Zod’s will?


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Oh I wanna do that too!
Listen up, people: There is No God! Religion is all alot of hooey!

And if you don't all listen, support, pay me and my nonchurch lots of money, and grant me tax exempt status so I can continue my endeavors/ go forth and spread "The Word Of Louise", I will denounce you publically as haters.

This is FUN!!


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One Quibble
Pam, I agree with much of what you say here - 99% of it, in fact - emphatically, at that.

But I do disagree with one thing.  You write:

What kind of Democrat is this? And worse, no person of color has any business discriminating, yet the Democratic party lets people like Diaz get away with this bigotry.
I understand the logic behind this statement.  The way I read it, a person of color in America has already been discriminated against, so they should have more empathy toward others who face discrimination.

But I can't agree.  Racism and heterosexism are alike only in that they are systems of privilege that benefit some at the expense of others.  But the dynamics surrounding race and sexual orientation are very different.  I absolutely believe that a homobigot - any homobigot - should be called out for their backward, troglodyte worldview.  But that Diaz is brown doesn't make his bigotry any worse than Sally Kern's, Tony Perkins', or the The Peter's.

When a person is oppressed because of who they are, it's actually a natural reaction to look around and ask, "who can I oppress?"  The experience of being a victim in one sphere often makes people believe they have license to oppress others, i.e., "don't lecture me about being prejudiced, I'm (fill in the blank)."  Is it excusable?  No.  But it is, I think, the reason I note so much thinly veiled racism within the gay community - and it's why I feel it's so important to discourage folks in any oppressed community from playing The Oppression Olympics - a conversation that only invites people to feel more and more victimized, rather than more and more empowered.

To my mind, the way Diaz talks about sexual orientation and marriage equality is dispicable - not because he should know better as a person of color, but because everyone with a brain and the power to think rationally should know better, period.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem


the NAACP connected the dots...
NAACP national board chair Julian Bond and President and CEO Ben Jealous of the NAACP had no problem connecting the dots:
"The NAACP's mission is to help create a society where all Americans have equal protection and opportunity under the law, said President Jealous. Our Mission Statement calls for the 'equality of rights of all persons. Prop. 8 strips same-sex couples of a fundamental freedom, as defined by the California State Supreme Court. In so doing, it poses a serious threat to all Americans.

..."The NAACP has long opposed any proposal that would alter the federal or state constitutions for the purpose of excluding any groups or individuals from guarantees of equal protection," said Chairman Bond.

That's something that Alma Adams, Earlene Parmon and some others in the black caucus here seem to have overlooked -- and that's true of other elected officials of color who are meek about defending the right of LGBTs to marry - or outright opposed to it.

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Right
That was in part what was so disgusting about Bob Emrich.

Maine's NAACP supports equal marriage and came out in a recent BDN editorial to say so. Then Reverend Bob tried to play the race card, evoking California's Prop 8.


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This argument cuts both ways, though
What have LGBT organizations done to combat racism?  What have they done to hire LGBT people of color?

I know that occasionally LGBT groups issue a press release, but IMO, these press releases usually come off as co-opting the language of racial equity to "our" struggle.  As long as LGBT groups have a lily white face, they're not going to be successful in fighting homobigotry within communities of color-- and that's an issue for all of us, not just LGBT people of color.


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Oh, please
Let's not play this game of "who should go first," please, both are important.

At least in African American communities, they see LGBTs every day and 2 or three times on Sundays. They have no problem with blatant anti-gay discrimination in the pulpit.

Same with racism in gay communities. But at least I do see some movement in addressing that in the aftermath of the passage of Proposition 8. Admittedly, it's just window dressing, but it's better than what's going on in POC communities. Take this putz, Diaz, for instance for instance.


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I know this is an issue for California
But is the visibility of gay POCs an issue in the Northeast?

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Good point, Red, but ....
...

I must disagree.  Of course the "Oppression Olympics" is not a game worth playing, but I'm not convinced that is what's going on here.

Yes, the abused often turn into abusers.  All the more reason when, in a case where obvious homo-bigotry is at play and the profound ignorance of those who say that homosexuality is un-Hispanic, or un-African, or un-(pick your distinction)-- when in actuality those statements are obviously, and easily verifiably (for those not intellectually lazy), un-TRUE.  

 Men like Diaz and Lopez use their religion as a weapon, the same religion that oppressed and lynched their ancestors, and they are just too lazy to connect the dots, too driven to hold dogmatically to beliefs pumped into their brains -- which, clearly, has left no room for the cells that control empathy, and reason.

 So, yeah, Diaz AND Lopez should know better.  However adults who belief in fairytales stopped surprising me long ago.

... where Same Gender Love rules.


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Yeah, it's that selective memory
Let's cart out all those passages justifying slavery, the "churched" seems to forget that they are in the book too!

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Yes, they SHOULD know better
And so should everyone else.

As a white guy, when I hear the argument that people of color should be held to a different standard with regard to discrimination and bigotry, what I hear (whether it's intended or not) is:  All the straight, able-bodied, Judeo-Christian, upper middle class white homobigots out there have never been on the receiving end of bigotry, so they really can't be held responsible for their hatred, not as much as a person of color.

And my response to that is: the HELL they can't.

By making it extra-horrible for a person of color to hate us, it makes somehow better-than-extra-horrible when the hatred comes from someone with white skin.  And to me, there's no distinction whatsoever.  I hold true to the notion that it's 100% not okay for Perkins, Huckabee, Schlafly, Phelps, et.al. to do what they do.  And it's equally 100% not okay for Diaz to spew the bile he spews.  Equally.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem


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I wouldn't equate Diaz with Kern, Perkins, etc.
Diaz is strictly a Democrat Christianist. So he's good on a lot of issues most Democrats hold near and dear (the poor, the elderly, racial and ethnic minority rights); he is just blinded by macho and religion-based bigotry on marriage and trans rights. (And I chose the word "macho" very deliberately, since this is what underlies his heterosexist idea of Christianity, and sadly, this "macho" thing is still very much ingrained in his Bronx hispanic community; it only reinforces the already-patriarchalist thing that Christianists are into).

He's a bigot on LGBT issues in part because of his ethnic culture of macho.  He will probably never be able to see this or overcome it - it is just so ingrained into his character.


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Grr.
The Rev. Michael Lopez, of the Love, Power and Grace Church in the Bronx, who attended the meeting, said that same-sex marriage "is contrary not only to our beliefs, but to the Hispanic community. People have to understand that in the countries we come from this is not only a no no, it is something anti-Biblical and anti-religion."

Guess what? You're not in "those countries" anymore. You want the benefits and rights and good fortune to live in the USA? Leave the bigotry at Customs & Immigration; some baggage is best left behind.


Outstanding!
 What a nation does with regard to human rights is their own business but when people come to this country, it is with the assumption that they think they can make a better life here. Leave all of your baggage at home, you won't need it in the United States.

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Well, in the Spanish country that I lived in
and whose government I served, same-sex marriage is legal.
And I went to school in and lived in Spain.

In Chile, murdering liberals used to be legal.
It was in Argentina as well.
Raping and murdering women is ignored by the government in Guatamela, so may we assume it to be a "family value" there?



I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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Funny, my Hispanic in-laws don't seem to care
Maybe because they see me as a human being and not a stereotype.  

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Lopez speaks "truth" while still being utterly wrong
Michael Lopez is absolutely right - "the countries (Hispanics) come from" seem to ooze "macho."  They use macho thinking to reinforce patriarchal Christianist beliefs.

Where Lopez is wrong is in the conclusion that marriage equality is anti-Biblical (1 Samuel 18 doesn't seem to be in his Bible).  He is even more wrong when he calls it "anti-religion."

It isn't even "anti" his religion - he'd be free to sanctify only straight religious marriages.  But the Unitarian pastor down the street could bless gay religious marriages - but under Lopez' idiotic reasoning, it is somehow pro-religion to discriminate against the Unitarian.

The way it is, I challenge Lopez' and Diaz' right to call themselves "Christian." Their macho-patriarchal pentacostalism is about as far removed from Christianity as the Church of Jesus Christ of LAtter Day Saints.  

They're Christianists, not Christians.  they are wolves who cloak themselves in the skins of sheep in order to get closer to the flock.


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Wow Joanne--you hit it on the head
They see themselves as the leaders of a "manly Christian" movement that is inherently misogynistic and opposed to other forms of Christianity. They are the only "true believers"

That appears in Diaz's statements separating Catholicism from Christianity.

Once, in a discussion with a Latina Lesbian, she opined to me that many of the Latina Lesbians were Les-Tema's
(Lesbian To Escape Macho A**holes)

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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Obviously
"As long as you need me, there will be no gay marriage."
-- NY State Senator Rubén Díaz, a Democrat who knows his party won't challenge him on his bigoted views.

We don't need him, then.

Hate stops a beating heart.


Diaz's power base is in a local poitical party
called the "Bronx Unity" party; in state elections they run as Democrats. His son rules the Bronx in his name.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Is Gov Paterson calling Diaz on this crap?
I agree that the white wimps in the legislature need to get spine, but since Paterson has already shown plenty of spine (and heart) at his big press conference, and since it's "safe" for him to contradict a bigot minority since he himself is a minority by several definitions, he can lead this challenge.  Has he started to do so?  If not, will he?






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Governor Paterson already has done that
I'd have to find the quote though.

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Yes
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/...

This morning I posted that Democratic senator Ruben Diaz Sr. is organizing a protest to rally against the same-sex marriage bill.

Paterson was asked about Diaz, Sr. and his beliefs yesterday. Answered Paterson: "I didn't know he was convening Christ's Army, because I thought I was a member of it, and I'm in favor of gay marriage."

This is exactly the right response. Don't give any territory to the bigots- including the label of who is a Christian. this has been the gay rights movement mistake in the past. We have allowed those who are anti-religion and those are anti-gay to control the  territories in which we fight.

Regardless of whether one is Christian or not, being anti-gay should be seen as unacceptable. If one is Christian, we need to be saying- you know what- Chrisitans can be pro marriage equality. It's not your faith that prevents you. It's you.  


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Thanks!
I spent about 45 minutes looking for that quote, didn't think to go to Towleroad!

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It's a good site if somewhat white gay male centric


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there's that and
it caters to an older demographic too, than say, queerty.

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yes queerty is very late 20s white gay male hipster central


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although I give queerty's not-so new editor
japhy grant some credit for addressing the racial diversity issue even if some of the commenters don't always appreciate it.

It's an example of what I was refering to above; the diversity issue is being addressed in gay media and it won't be solved overnight. I am not seeing a similar effort in black communities (i.e. the death of the Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover). And, of course, simply because an effort is made doesn't mean that unexamined racism won't happen from time to time.


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I can't speak to black media because I don't follow it as much as I used to
However, as you say many of the commentors at Queerty leave something to be desired. Even on gay issues, they tend to be conservatives who happen to be gay rather than people who get what gay means regarding what it should teach them about life. I see no difference between what AAs do on average (since I am black) than I see from what gays do (since I am also gay.). Most of what I see is a lack of understanding of what each history means or the characteristics of how the discrimination happens means. Honeslty, having experienced both racism and anti-gay sentiments, I don't understand either straight blacks or segregated gay whites. They are both stupid to me when I think about the issues involved. I just happened to go to queerty because of the entertainment value. I

[ Parent ]
I do get the conservative commentators
on queerty (towleroad has much more of them, though, queerty not so much) and I even agree with them occasionally. It's related to my experience with "the black community."

I always get very, very resentful when black folks want to tell me how I should think and what I should solely because I am black. I had to stop going on huff post because I saw this so much and it would make me so sick, i wanted to slap people. So coming from a somewhat libertarian dislike of groupthink, I "get" the LCR/libertarian mentality very well. Thing is, there too, on that side, is a very similar type of groupthink (usually to be a normal and straight-appearing as possible).

I am way too rebellious for that.  


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Proving once again
That party affiliation is no indicator of bigotry or intolerance.

So, Senator Diaz, let's see if I understand
According to you, ALL Latinos y Latinas are against same sex marriage

According to you, mentioning it near ANY Christian event is an affront to Christians.

According to you, the Blind, Black Governor of New York, who represents ALL of the people of the State, should step aside because YOU disagree with him and you speak for Hispanic people.

And according to you, you speak for all Hispanic people.
Of course, you don't speak for me, a graduate of the Complutense in Madrid and a veteran of the Armada Espanola, but I don't count. I'm caucasian.

Spain would shudder to hear you claim your heritage, Sir. Spain is a civilised, egalitarian nation. You would have no place in modern Spain, with your attempts to enshrine theocratic considerations into civil law.

In the end, Sir you are a racist.
In the end, Sir, you are a homophobe
And in the end Sir, you calim that ALL Hispanic people are.

But you, in truth, don't speak for them, Sir.
You speak for a mob that you've dosed heavily with anger fueled by religious intolerance, Sir.

Yes, Sir, You are intolerant of religious beliefs other than your own. You use the pulpit, as did Ian Paisley, as did medieval Popes, as did Father Coughlin, as did so many others, to preach hatred in the "name of the Lord."

And you claim that you speak for all Hispanic peoples.

Well, Sir, I'm pretty Spanish, at least Spain thinks so.
And you don't speak for me. And I have many Puerto Rican, Mexican, Argentine, and Central American friends that you don't speak for either.

They are Lesbians.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


And why in h*ll
doesn't this country bar clergy from holding office as so many other countries do?

Do you know WHY they do?
Because of ministers like Ruben DIaz trying to force secular law to comply with their OWN religious beliefs to the exclusion and in opposition to the religious beliefs of others.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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This is Democracy?
According to you, the Blind, Black Governor of New York, who represents ALL of the people of the State, should step aside because YOU disagree with him and you speak for Hispanic people.

Translation: Díaz thinks that the governor should resign because a representative of a minority of the population tells him to, irrespective of the fact that he was originally elected (as lieutenant-governor) by a majority of the state's people.

Anyone else see a problem with this?

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.


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the timid Dems are the problem.
The sorry factor of race and religion that we've been discussing forever here is biting the movement in the ass yet again. If pols keep the issue of religion and separation of church and state related to racial minorities' objection to SSM in the closet this is what you get. White fear of the race card being inappropriately played is a huge problem and I'm sick of the dance around it, and Obama's "God is in the mix" statements don't help. It gives these people cover.

The separation of church and state argument needs to be articulated over and over EVERY TIME these bigots bring up this garbage like introducing the bill during Easter week was insulting to them.


The quote by Paterson that I read
actually did that. I'm looking for it now but he challenged Diaz precisely on the religion question.

Not that I want to have a discussion about religion with a civil rights issue,  but Paterson nailed Diaz on the religion issue.


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Agreed
As long as the Democrats as a party are unwilling or unable to call the "family values" people on their hypocrisy and allow them to defend their indefensible positions, it will keep going on. After all without internal or external pressure, where is the pressure to evolve? The status quo can only remain the status quo as long as it isn't a hindrance to survival. Politically as well as in life.

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Diaz played a high stakes game trying to keep Malcolm Smith out of the Leader's seat.
and threatened to hand the Senate Chairmanships over to the Republicans. His family now completely rules the Bronx, he demands similiar control over the State.

His statement that he would lead funied into NYC to force out the governor is way over the top, a huge infringement on the First Amendment.....basically, a demand by a religion on who and who cannot serve....

And, unfortunately, there is no way to rid ourselves of, in the words of Henry Plantagenet, "this insolent priest."

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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He is a disgrace to the party
and the NY Dems are a disgrace by making him senate leader.
They may not be able to primary him, but they can certainly strip him of his leadership position and put someone better in place - it's called party discipline and it is a disgrace on everyone in the party that they allow him is big pulpit to continue his bigotry.

I must disagree
The Democratic majority in the State Senate is exactly one vote - 32-30.  If the margin of the majority was not so razor-thin, there would be no need to appease State Senator "Reverend" Ruben Diaz, Sr..

The way it is, he originally demanded that the majority not allow marriage to a vote as a condition of his "allowing" Malcolm Smith to be the Majority Leader.

His son Ruben Diaz, Jr. who was in the Assembly at the time but has just been elected Bronx Borough President, had to convince him that this was a wrong thing to do - and because his son asked, he backed down on that.

Marriage will come to a vote in the State Senate this year - but only if there are enough Republican votes for the bill to make up for a shortage of about five Democrats (Diaz and four others). If it does not get a vote, it won't be just because of Diaz threatening to hold his breath, it will be because the votes aren't there yet.

The votes are out there - but it will take LGBT constituents mobilized by Empire State Pride Agenda, and LCR operatives (yes, LCR - which in the waning days of Republican contol actually got the then-Republican majority to introduce its very first trans-inclusive bill, a clear signal that the post-Joe-Bruno Senate Republicans were beginning to be willing to talk on LGBT issues) to push the bill over the top.

In New York, for marriage, GENDA and DASA to pass this year, we need a bipartisan vote in the Senate.


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Friends In Pennsylvania
Here in Western Pennsylvania we have Dems who just say nothing and hope to secure the social conservative vote along with the gay vote.  Organizers are pushing for statewide equality when Pittsburgh's Mayor just began showing up for PrideFest two years ago and is pouting b/c that isn't enough to earn the Stonewall endorsement.  Sad.

http://www.pghlesbian.com/blog...


Pam, I'd submit this as an oped to the New York Times
Just rewrite it, to be in the style of an oped, rather than a blog post.

Also, I'd encourage others here to write letters to the editor at the New York Times.  The bill can get passed with some Republican support.

And Ruben Diaz needs a challenger to start raising money and going after him - now.  Good opposition research and a Dump Diaz blog could take him down.

Eva


Excelent idea lloydletta2
This is an excellent piece that deserves a wide(r) audience - particularly one based in the NY region.

Your voice is one of many that must be used in response to the defamatory filth that Diaz is allowed to spew because he holds office.  He is taking advantage of a maligned minority group in order to boost his own position.  This crap is as American as apple pie and Democratic party fund raising.  

We can't let him and Patterson play good cop / bad cop with our citizenship.  

Diaz and his band of knuckle draggers must be tagged publicly with the response that in the countries we come from his bigotry and selfishness is not only a no no, it is something anti-American and void of historical and legal logic.  


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will submit as op-ed
Will have to retool, but will send tonight.

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If you need a reference
The Democratic Party's official platform, endorsed in 2008, addresses equality for same-sex couples. It stops short of the word "marriage," but it's there on page 52.

http://www.democrats.org/a/par...

As an afterthought, Democratic commitment to ending DADT is on page 36 of the same report.

Diaz has some 'splainin' to do.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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Well, I would imagine that Diaz
is emboldened by our President "God is in the mix."

To me, this seems the elephant in the room that is not being discussed.  When the LGBT establishment more or less supports a president that is unabashadly advocating for "separate but equal" status, and criticisms of Obama's anti-gay actions (deprioritizing repeal of discriminatory federal legislation, promoting separate but equal status, knocking down the wall between church and state through funneling federal funds to religions and overtly relying on homophobic religous figures for advice on civil matters) are either downplayed or subject to ad hominems of accusing the critic to be racist, then we have created fertile ground for the Diazes of the world.


Diaz is a racist
He now has tried or is trying to unseat two African-American politicians in New York.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Oh, really?
Diaz really likes playing the race card, huh?


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"no no"
"People have to understand that in the countries we come from this is not only a no no."

And you're free to go back to whatever country which says it's a "no no".  


Tunnel Vision
The biggest problem is these idiots can't seem to separate civil and religious marriage.  To them, every marriage is a religious marriage and they're going to keep mouthing the "party line" of their respective denominations.

Pentecostal minister?  Nuff said.


Catholics
"We evangelical Christians just ended our holy week, and the Catholics are receiving their leaders this week," Mr. Díaz said. "He doesn't even give him a chance to come to the city, and boom that's the first thing that Archbishop Dolan is confronted with."

As if the Catholics don't have enough problems of their own.

Fuck being confronted with issues related to the homos - he needs to confront their disco-cape-wearing boy rapists.  


Now that there are more and more altar girls ...
... you shouldn't restrict it to "boy rapists".

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WITHHOLD YOUR VOTES FOR ANY DEMOCRAT
until the party platform officially includes marriage equality.  Barack Obama is the last Democrat I'll vote for...even if said Dem is gung-ho pro SSM.  We need to show them that our side has some influence too, but we keep giving them a free pass.

Minor correction...
Barack Obama is the last Democrat I'll have voted for.

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I really don't know how Diaz has done it...
but that particular wolf in sheep's clothing has definitely managed to stretch a donkey's skin over an elephant.

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.


Last Post On the Putz Diaz
Found this article from Citizen Crain (with links) for more details and Maura was right...it's blacks v. Latinos.

http://citizenchris.typepad.co...


sorry 'bout the double post


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It certainly is
and he used Black support to break the power of one Latino dynasty in the Bronx and replace it with his own...and then dumped the "rainbow"....he's just a lying cochino.....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Last Post On the Putz Diaz
Found this article from Citizen Crain (with links) for more details and Maura was right...it's blacks v. Latinos.

http://citizenchris.typepad.co...


So where are the 400-500 FAITH MINISTERS of the HRC.....

Why are they so silent????? Some of them must be POC or hispanic! Or Asian, even Islamic.

You know what. I am sending this blog to SOULFORCE...  



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


OOPS...Thats just a weak...community forum format.
so back to HRC.... don't hold your breath!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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two words from this story that never go together
conservative and democrat.
conservative Democrat


"I am the sledgehammer to your 10,000 mirrors." everyone needs to be open and out of their closets.

oh yes they do
Ever heard of a "blue dog Democrat?" A "Reagan Democrat"? Hell, there's still some good 'ol Dixiecrats running around that never left the party.

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Well if you want to do something.... about
In a vacuum of a counter-message, the evangelical anti-gays plant seeds and watch them grow in these religious communities of color

....go checkout SOULFORCE:

They will be in NEW YORK City... all next week working to persuade the Vatican to sign the UN Resolution.  Not much hope there, but they will be working it!

Then in May and June: They will be going into non gay affirming churches and having discussions with members. They do have whole training workshop using their whole developed courses to counter both Biblical and Scientific..and now political charges against GLBT's.

So quit whining you all and if you really want to do something you can.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


The three founders... got married in California last year.
Hopefully, those wedding still are valid. ..and one of the couples has three children, who they take into some of the churches!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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