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Where's Barack Obama, the 'Fierce Advocate' for LGBT rights?

by: Pam Spaulding

Sat May 02, 2009 at 17:22:37 PM EDT


To answer the question -- the president is hiding in the closet. It's a familiar diseased closet inhabited by many self-proclaimed allies, particularly non-LGBT progressives, who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. It's always "wait, we need more time" and "we have this or that priority" or "we need to get re-elected" as an excuse for inaction.

Richard Socarides calls the president out in his WaPo op-ed today, Where's our "Fierce Advocate?"

In December, while trying to quiet the furor over his invitation of Rick Warren to take part in his inauguration, Barack Obama reminded us that he had been a "consistent" and "fierce advocate of equality for gay and lesbian Americans." But at the end of its first 100 days, his administration has been neither.

What makes this especially disappointing is that it comes during a crisis-driven "change moment" in our country's history that not only cries out for leadership but presents a particularly good climate for making substantial progress on gay equality.

As an adviser on gay rights to President Bill Clinton during his second term, I know how hard it is to achieve real progress. We learned that lesson acutely during Clinton's abortive first-term attempt to allow gays to serve in the military, an outcome for which he is still paying a steep legacy price.

When Socarides wrote me this morning linking to the piece, I replied:

We all know the man [Obama] can multitask, and the cultural and legal wind is at his back. There's no excuse to be so tentative, given the Republican opposition is in shambles, it couldn't be weaker. The anti-gay forces are so shrill that they are doing a better job for our cause than we could ever imagine. Based on his weak support, you'd think he's catering to the fear tactics of the professional Christian set (e.g. Tony Perkins and Lou Sheldon). It's time to take out the trash, and use the bully pulpit to seize the moment.

He continues:

It is the memory of 1993's gays-in-the-military debacle (and a desire never to repeat it) that has both the president's advisers and policy advocates holding back, waiting for some magical "right time" to move boldly.

This is a bad strategy. President Obama will never have more political capital than he has now, and there will never be a better political environment to capitalize on. People are distracted by the economy and war, and they are unlikely to get stirred up by the right-wing rhetoric that has doomed efforts in the past.

And people are willing to try new approaches. The court ruling legalizing gay marriage in Iowa represents a real opening, an opportunity to get "undecideds" to take another look not only at gay marriage but at gay rights in general. As Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin remarked, many Americans may be asking themselves, "If the [Iowa] Supreme Court said this, maybe I have to think anew."

I think a good question to ask about the situation is where are the gays in the Obama White House? Is their presence merely tokenism -- that their existence is supposed to represent a salve to the wounds inflicted by the Bush administration? Another question -- do any of the gay White House aides and appointees have any influence on Obama? Clearly not much, based on the silence about LGBT issues.

The Obama White House could barely squeak out a tepid reaction to the Iowa ruling (and they blew it on first pass and the statement never made it to the MSM press release machine) and on marriage equality in Vermont, all it could do was issue a "no comment" to an LGBT reporter. Iowa, Vermont, and all of the recent marriage equality gains represent a time to strike while the iron is hot, and aside from a perfunctory statement supporting passage of the already-popular-with-voters hate crimes legislation, crickets are chirping.

Socarides offers some suggestions for this White House to capitalize on the current wave of successes. Read them below the fold, along with journalist Karen Ocamb's take over at Huff Post.  

Pam Spaulding :: Where's Barack Obama, the 'Fierce Advocate' for LGBT rights?
First, he should start talking about gay rights again, the way he did during the campaign. What made Clinton such a transformational figure of inclusion was his constant willingness to talk to and about gay people. When he said, "I have a vision and you are a part of it," you could feel his sincerity.

...Second, he should move swiftly, as he promised during the campaign, to help secure passage of the bill now moving through Congress imposing new federal penalties for anti-gay hate crimes, as well as legislation allowing gays to serve in the military. Ten years have passed since Matthew Shepard was killed. We have endured 15 years of "don't ask, don't tell" discrimination. We have waited long enough.

Third, he should appoint a high-ranking, respected, openly gay policy advocate to oversee government efforts toward lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equality. Give this person access to policymakers, similar to what has been done on urban policy and for people with disabilities. This is especially important because, unlike Clinton, who had gay friends such as David Mixner, Roberta Achtenberg and Bob Hattoy around to nudge him, Obama has no high-profile gay senior aides with a history in the gay rights movement.

Finally, Obama should champion comprehensive, omnibus federal gay civil rights legislation, similar to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation and granting a basic umbrella of protections in employment, education, housing and the like (rather than the existing piecemeal approach to legislation). Such a bill should also provide for federal recognition of both civil unions and marriages as they are authorized by specific states.

All of these are great ways to add to the equality momentum. As I said, the opposition party is in disarray -- what gives with the timidity?

***

Aside from Obama's weak support, we need to shame every single Blue Dog who voted against hate crimes legislation -- the party needs to call out anti-equality bigots like Heath Shuler (R-NC), whose district includes Asheville; he spit in the faces of LGBTs he represents with his no vote. Where is the Democratic Party, which put out a stellar, LGBT-positive platform in 2008, in making it clear that there's no excuse to side with the likes of Virginia Foxx an closet cases Patrick McHenry (R-NC), David Dreier (R-CA), for crying out loud, on a vote on basic equality under the law.

***

Here's a snippet from Karen Ocamb's "President Obama - Give Us an LGBT Advocate"; she quotes from Michael Lux's tome The Progressive Revolution: How The Best In American Came To Be:

"[The Democrats] have been so beaten down by the conservative attack machine that they have allowed themselves to get into the habit of being cautious....Since the tumultuous change decade of the 1960s, and the ugly backlash that followed it, Democrats have often been too scared to think big about progressive change, and it has hurt them."
Caution has become a habit of mind, let alone a habit of politics - something Lux argues should be smashed in favor of "bold" action and change.

And yet "equal rights," while always counted in the litany of core liberal and progressive principles and "values," always is set aside or thrown under the bus in favor of some real or imagined political expediency.

As Lux told me during an interview - "either we believe in equal rights for all - or we don't." And "we should be able to multi-task."

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So far Obama is a classic example
of sweet talk during the campaign and silence after getting elected. I too realize that it's early on but the delaying signals on DADT do not augur well. Polls have shown that elected officials that are pro-gay rights are not hurt during election. But still the myth holds Obama imprisoned and I would not be surprised if he is being advised to keep us at bay. Apparently, trying to win over the fundamentalists is more important than advancing equality.

Regarding Foxx's hateful rant,I am dissapointed newly elected NC Democratic Senator Kay Hagan did not issue a statement denouncing it. She spoke at HRC's dinner in Charlotte this year. Another example of a lack of courage.


Socharides worked for Clinton and what did he get for it?
DOMA and DADT that's what!

We shoudl stop expectign straights are goign to do anything for us because they NEVER do!

The force of hisotry is on our side and the wind is at our backs. Same-Sex marriage is going to go nationwide sooner than y'all think.

As for DADT it's dead too.  


I just don't think he's with us
At the very least, we're at the bottom of the totem poll. Anything we get passed, it's clear that it's going to have to come from us. He'll sign the bills if we get it to him, but it's clear he's just not going to get congress rolling on these issues. It's really one of the few stains on his administration so far -- what happens with glbt equality in his administration will be a mark on his legacy for all of time. JFK is, still, to this day, criticized because he didn't do more for civil rights back then. Let's hope Obama doesn't repeat that mistake. Now is a time for boldness.  

Funny how Ryan is the one that needs to "calm" down!
I have to be in the minority here and agree with Ryan. I am really tired of Blacks and Gays (of which I am both) going on about how Obama has not done enough for this group and that group. We really have a whole lot going on, I mean the man took the office when the country was treading water and has spent the first 100+ days keeping the country afloat and trying to level the playing field. Right now I just want a job so I can go back to school and help support my family. And that is something I want as an American Citizen.  

[ Parent ]
You know, that is what is so funny
I do hear the same grumbling from both sides (the "gay community" and the "African American community").

[ Parent ]
You should know by now that
Obama is a politician and he is only as strong as the people that vote him into office. You and people like you, who bitch about Obama, in THE MIDST OF PASSAGE OF THE HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION, really bother me. If you hadn't noticed, the economy is in the shitter, there are two wars going on, and there's a possible pandemic on the horizon. As far as Iowa, Obama has NEVER said he supported gay marriage.

If we come to the end of his term and he hasn't repealed DADT, passed civil unions, hate crimes, and ENDA legislation, then complain.

It's kind of amusing, after many folks in the trans community have been accused of being hysterical "crazy" trannies that just don't understand how the legislative process works, to have complainers repeatedly bitch about things that Obama didn't promise.

And really? If you want to bitch, bitch to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They both could introduce legislation for 3 out of the 4 issues. The legislative bodies have to pass the legislation for him to sign it.

Stay the fuck off his jock. It's only been around 100 days. The people that work for him that are gay aren't just tokens. You receive the same emails I do, from the LGBT leadership in the administration and you know as well as I do, that's a weak ass charge. You only need to go here:
http://www.glli.org/presidential
to see how baseless the charge of tokenism is.


Wow!
Stay the fuck off his jock.

Good grief -- what a nasty and offensive response.  Not just this excerpt, but the entire thing.  The time to hold a President's feet to the fire is while s/he's President, not at the end of the term, when it may well be too late.

"If the apocalypse comes... beep me." -- Buffy Summers


[ Parent ]
Feet to the fire?
After 100 days? Sorry, but IMO, saving this economy and getting us out of an immoral war is more important than ENDA, hate crimes, DADT, or gay marriage.

This post is "nasty and offensive" to me. It's not even been A YEAR! He's being blamed for the lack of political will to get the legislation to his desk? That's preposterous, offensive, and childish.  


[ Parent ]
In another year no progress can happen
because "we have an election coming up and we don't want supporting gays to cost us the election."  The first sign that that's what's going to happen is backing away from the repeal of DADT--in reality, it's not just Obama--it's most of the Democrats.

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
Dawg!
Welcome to a trans person's world!  It's that way 24/7, 365.  

[ Parent ]
Well that was over the top
Take a valium. Pam's criticism was both warranted and appropriate. You make some valid points about a full plate but I think they could have been made with much less invective.

[ Parent ]
"bitch about things that Obama didn't promise"
Okay, what about the things he did promise?  

He promised to work for the repeal of DOMA but hasn't said a word about it since the election.  And it's not too hard to guess, based on his palling around with Rick warren, et al, where his head is on that issue.

He promised, emphatically and repeatedly, to see that DADT is repealed.  But within the last few weeks his Secretary of War announced that that's not being actively considered.  And within the last week Obama's own website was edited to announce that Obama wants to see the policy changed, not ended.  

And in case you didn't notice, it was gay bloggers complaining about that that led to the original language being restored.  In other words, complaining gets results. Is that really so hard for you to understand?  (And do you really want to go on record as believing that Obama's wars of aggression are ample reason for him not to do anything for minority rights in this country?)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


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BHO *must* replace the DOD holdover appointees from the Bush Adminsitration,
. . . and any general or admiral who is not fully behind repeal of DADT must be made to retire from active duty.

There must be a clean sweep.

Then he can implement a repeal, and allow the return of all who had been discharged from service under the prior policy.

 


[ Parent ]
He can and I hope he will
but it will still require an act of Congress to fully implement.  There is no way around that.

[ Parent ]
Again
it's been 100 days and he has more important things on his mind than DADT. You want to castigate Howard Dean too? He was a guest on Bill Maher's show and mentioned the lack of political will in reference to  Obama's movement on DADT as an example on why he doesn't tackle gun control. It's a politically stupid move, to do so at a time where our economy is teetering upon a depression.

Wow, gay bloggers got words changed. You must be so proud. When gay bloggers actually cause the policy to change, let me know. The change will happen because of the work of SLDN and the like, not "gay bloggers" complaining.

Obama's wars? LOL! I want to go on record that I am an American first. That my country and my community are both important. Complaining gets results. That's too funny. You aren't a politician, are you? Building political will, gets results, not simply complaining.  


[ Parent ]
Yeah, yeah, yeah
The Obama administration--hundreds if not thousands of officials and functionaries--all have other things to do.  Not even one single cabinet member or undersecretary or under-undersecretary has the time to pay attention to human rights.  Oh good gosh, why haven't I realized this before?

What conceivable difference does it make whether I'm a politician?  As the saying goes, one need not be a hen to judge an egg.  And if you are not a politician, you're sure doing a good imitation.  No matter now many excuses you come up with, inaction and betrayal are still inaction and betrayal.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
Marti, if you're going to show up here to dump
You could at least be accurate. Rudeness of this sort is uncalled for.

In any case, I said:

Is their presence merely tokenism -- that their existence is supposed to represent a salve to the wounds inflicted by the Bush administration?
Last time I checked, "?" indicates a question, not a statement of opinion. I have no idea whether they are seen as tokens or not, but it does matter if the president doesn't see them as more than an appropriate pick for the job they were hired for. He didn't hire any of them to be LGBT liaisons, and may not see them in that light as any kind of resource. That's the problem - we don't have ANY idea of the level of influence they have, but the evidence based on the communication (or lack thereof) coming out of the WH is troubling.

The silence and tone-deaf behavior coming out of this White House (no LGBT-related press releases on the WH site, save for hate crimes, on those press mailing lists), poorly written statements, and lately, the bizarre revisions and re-revisions on the WH web site re: DADT. At the very least it suggests a level of incompetence or a heavy hand at work to squash anything that could be made newsworthy or capitalized on by conservatives that he wants to keep in the fold.

If you want to bitch, bitch to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They both could introduce legislation for 3 out of the 4 issues.
And when have I not been critical of them on this front? They do bear responsibility for the meek advocacy for our legislation, and I've blogged that before. This entry happens not to be about them -- is that problematic?

You see, I did welcome the election of Barack Obama, and if anything I receive way more criticism for not being hard enough on the guy. Ask any regulars here; I tend to be more pragmatic, but that doesn't mean the president is immune from any criticism. It's not like he can't handle it -- from a blogger, no less. Do you REALLY think he's reading this or cares what I have to say?

You need to step away from the caffeine and go look for your manners, you appear to have lost them somewhere along the way.


[ Parent ]
Manners?
"Last time I checked, "?" indicates a question, not a statement of opinion. I have no idea whether they are seen as tokens or not, but it does matter if the president doesn't see them as more than an appropriate pick for the job they were hired for. He didn't hire any of them to be LGBT liaisons, and may not see them in that light as any kind of resource. That's the problem - we don't have ANY idea of the level of influence they have, but the evidence based on the communication (or lack thereof) coming out of the WH is troubling."
Last time I checked, a question raised in a blog post is an IMPLICATION. If they hired any of them to be be LGBT liaisons, how would that give any idea of the level of influence they have? The fact that they are there, on staff, affecting policy, instead of just being a "token" liaison, is more proof of their influence, IMO.
"The silence and tone-deaf behavior coming out of this White House (no LGBT-related press releases on the WH site, save for hate crimes, on those press mailing lists), poorly written statements, and lately, the bizarre revisions and re-revisions on the WH web site re: DADT. At the very least it suggests a level of incompetence or a heavy hand at work to squash anything that could be made newsworthy or capitalized on by conservatives that he wants to keep in the fold."
I agree that the revisions and re-revisions are odd. But do you think that the President wakes up every day and goes to check the work of the WH website staff and the changes on GLBT issues? I think it's a great thing that bloggers have pointed out these changes. But using it as proof of him changing his mind our advocacy and his fierceness is ludicrous.
"And when have I not been critical of them on this front? They do bear responsibility for the meek advocacy for our legislation, and I've blogged that before. This entry happens not to be about them -- is that problematic?

You see, I did welcome the election of Barack Obama, and if anything I receive way more criticism for not being hard enough on the guy. Ask any regulars here; I tend to be more pragmatic, but that doesn't mean the president is immune from any criticism. It's not like he can't handle it -- from a blogger, no less. Do you REALLY think he's reading this or cares what I have to say?"

Because you are attacking the credibility of Barack Obama in the community on THIS POST, not the others. You are blaming Barack Obama, when in reality it is the Congress who is at fault for not bringing up ENDA and hate crimes legislation sooner. And really? You play the "I'm just a blogger" card? Pam, that's pretty convenient, but you were picked as the blogger of the Convention because of your reach into the community. That defense doesn't work for you.
"You need to step away from the caffeine and go look for your manners, you appear to have lost them somewhere along the way."
"Marti, if you're going to show up here to dump 
You could at least be accurate. Rudeness of this sort is uncalled for."
Rude? Probably. Uncalled for? No. You've not only attacked Barack Obama, but all the GLBT that worked to get him elected. You've attacked the people that continue to work on our issues within the administration, because he hasn't gotten it all done in 4 months. That kind of attitude is childish, illogical and myopic, and it does nothing to further our cause.
 
Oh, and for the record, I drink decaffeinated and I don't do drugs ;).

[ Parent ]
Are you Barack's sister or something?
Because it is astonishing that you cannot tolerate any criticism of a third party.  

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[ Parent ]
A friend of mine refers to them as
the Branch Barackians.

My high school English teacher from junior year, also my debate coach, would say that some people have a super-patriotism thing going--any affiliation that they perceive for themselves must necessarily be the best thing ever.

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[ Parent ]
I'm stealing 'Branch Barackians'.


The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  

[ Parent ]
"You've not only attacked Barack Obama, but all the GLBT that worked to get him elected."
People who worked for Obama after months of his pandering to bigots culminating with his handing the victory in California to Yes on 8 didn't exactly do us a favor.

In fact they helped elect a bigot.

When you're ready to rethink the harm you've done electing the lesser (maybe) of two evil bigots let us know.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


[ Parent ]
Pam as usual
I completely agree with you.

[ Parent ]
I wish I could say I'm surprised
Obama's buddy Artur Davis voted NO on the hate crimes bill (after voting for it in 2007).  His justification?  He says his constituents persuaded him that there is no need for hate crime laws.  What he means is, "I'm running for Governor now, and I'm afraid a YES vote would hurt me."

I know Obama has a lot on his plate right now.  I don't expect LGBT equality to be first and foremost all the time.  But as you say he has a historic opportunity to make change, and he should take advantage of it.

"If the apocalypse comes... beep me." -- Buffy Summers


Such is the world of politics
As is often pointed out to me, this is not really a democracy; it's a representative democracy, and there's a difference.

The difference being, obviously, that not every bill goes up for a popular vote.  Most of the time, we allow our elected representatives to do that sort of thing for us.  And some of the times, we see them making really unpopular decisions.  Based on what side of the issue you're on, these decisions are either courageous or reckless.

And too many unpopular decisions ensure that you're not re-elected.  And when you're in favor of the unpopular decision, that's considered pandering for votes - but it's the only mechanism we have to ensure that politicians are truly representing their constituents.

The good news is that the public seems to be making some real headway with regard to LGBT equality.  Soon - a lot sooner than I thought - the votes that oppose LGBT equality are going to be the unpopular ones that get someone tossed out in the next election.

As for DADT, my hope is that Obama will declare it null and void on some random Tuesday, with one small press conference that ends with "and now, back to the economy," in much the same way that he handled stem cell research.  For whatever reason, the fundie reaction to lifting the ban on stem cell research was incredibly muted, and I think part of that was that Obama - brilliantly - didn't lead up to it.  He just took everyone by surprise, did the right thing, answered a few questions, then got back to work; go on home, there's nothing to see here.  The same thing could work for DADT, but if he were to telegraph his intent, it could build more resistance among the wingnutters than he wants.

Anyway, that's my hope.  It may or may not come to fruition, but since Obama has done this a few times during his first 100 days (stem cells, and also torture), and it's a strategy that seems to work, I'm thinking it's possible to see it a few more times during the remainder of the first term.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem


[ Parent ]
YES....my hope exactly....
As for DADT, my hope is that Obama will declare it null and void on some random Tuesday, with one small press conference that ends with "and now, back to the economy,"

...and then we can see Military in our Pride Parades...ooops, or maybe thats why he wont do it.

Whatever, it makes our wishy-washy (CA) Supremes look more and more crusty every day and less and less like the brave people who originally set up our form of government.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Where's Obama?
Fiercely napping.

One of these days he's going to ask where we are.

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe


No he wont, he knows we are right there for him,
  Come hell or high water, the LGBT community is the Democratic Token vote.  We have proved it over and over again.  We rally, we make phone calls, we vote, and we get screwed.  Same shit, different election year.

 We don't have the guts to say enough is enough.  I know I will not vote for him in 2012.  I'm not going to be the token voter for the Democratic party.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
One party system
This is the problem with a one party system....or at least when one of the parties is a complete basket case. We need a viable 2nd party and the wingnuts are so out there they really can't be taken seriously. LGBT people have nowhere else to go. The Republicans want us dead so we're taken for granted by the Dems. As despicable as it is, it's the cold reality of the situation. I may not volunteer again or give money but I sure as hell will vote for the Democrats again because the Republicans are just so damn HORRIBLE.  

[ Parent ]
Why don't you at least give
him until the next election before making that decision?  It's asinine to already be saying that barely over three months into his administration.

[ Parent ]
Because God is in the MIX!
  I do not support the Faith Based Bull Shit.  There truly is no place for it in my mind when it comes to our government.

 I don't like his way of dealing with the war crimes committed by the last administration.  

 I didn't like Rick Warren doing the invocation.

 I don't like DADT being placed on the back burner.

 I don't like his response to Marriage Equality becoming a reality in Iowa and Vermont.

 And quite frankly, I know the feeling of being a token voter as well as a bargaining chip and I don't like it.

 True, he has done some great things in his first 100 days.  But as an American Citizen, I place the Civil Rights of all American Citizens very high on my list.  America should be for every citizen, not those select few.  

 You play politics with most issues, that is a given.  But when it comes to people's Civil Rights, The correct thing to do is clear, and a leader who campaigned on those issues should not be playing political games with them.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
He has political capital NOW.
If we can't advance civil rights during an election year, that means we only do it during odd-numbered years (such as 2009, for example).  

If we can't advance civil rights too early in an administration, that means we have to wait until the end of an odd-numbered year.  But hey, campaigns for the elections in even-numbered years tend to start around Labor Day of the preceding odd-numbered year, so magically our window of opportunity for advancing civil rights has disappeared completely.

Barack Obama may never have more political capital than he does now.  The Republicans managed to pass insane hard-right policies with just a bare majority of Congress and a hugely unpopular President; why is it asking too much for our hugely popular President and his vast majorities in Congress to do the right thing when they can?


[ Parent ]
Socarides utterly and totally lost my support just now.
outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation and granting a basic umbrella of protections in employment, education, housing and the like

Gee, thanks for f-ing nothing, asshole, as once again even the "big names" ignore and forget us.

Each little bit of that sort of leaving off the t adds to the anger and rage that transfolks feel.

Parsing?  Hell yeah.  Apathetic bigotry? Doubly so, on his part.

Its like hearing a church peak of inclusion only to find out they funded Prop H8.


http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


You noticed that, huh?
That jumped out at me too. I was waiting for the ... and gender identity,,, but it never came.  

 


[ Parent ]
early
Obama is no fool.  He knows that gay rights got Clinton off on a bad foot. Given his agenda and the problems facing the nation, he has no incentive to waste political capital right now on 5-10% of the American population. The ideal time for him to deal with this on the political clock will be during the lame duck Congress in late 2010.


2010, when he's starting his reelection campaign?
Be serious.

If he thinks he can get reelected without our votes, and without the votes of the wider progressive community (which wants action on Bush war crimes), and without the votes of the environmental community (which is  seriously pissed at his support of nuclear energy and "clean coal"), then he IS a fool.  No two ways about it.

During the second half of his term, all of those constituencies (including us) will get lots of promises from him.  Just vote for me again, and I promise to do all the things I promised to do four years ago.  Really.  And a lot of people (including you, I imagine) will fall for that.

Fooey.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
So three month plus in and you think it's all over?
At least give him this term to get these things done.

[ Parent ]
That would be all well and good
if we were getting serious indications from him that he actually does intend to get these things done.  But we keep getting the exact opposite.  When his Secretary of War tells us that repeal of DADT is not being actively considered, for instance, what possible reason could we have to doubt him?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
If all is just the same as now
in 2011, I will be right there with you, but this soon it just makes us look unreasonable.  And of his promises DADT is not the first priority imo.  Did it ever occur to you that the votes aren't there in the Senate?  We can only hope for maybe 2 votes from the GOP if we're lucky, and who knows how many bluedogs would vote with the nearly solid block of Republicans to filibuster (I'd guess 6 or so at least).  Unfortunately repealing DADT requires an act of Congress, and there may not be the votes to get it done until there is another election, despite the majority support of the public for doing so.

[ Parent ]
WRONG, He campaigned on our issues,
  He campaigned on our issues before the economy went to shit.  He has said he can multitask.  He had an easy walk to walk regarding the LGBT vote. It is called, The Uniting American Families Act There isn't any true opposition to this.  And nothing at all.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

[ Parent ]
When we can broach the GLBT rights subject
From a post of mine a couple of days ago on DailyKos:

The Official DailyKos Obama-Apologist Calendar of When it is Acceptable to Bring up the Topic of Gay Rights:

  1. He just got into office for f*ck's sake. Just STFU for now!
  2. It's still early and he has a lot more important things to deal with. Just wait your turn and we'll get around to it later.
  3. We've got midterm elections to win. You can't expect us to address gay rights and run for office at the same time so just STFU! We'll get get to gay rights after the election.
  4. We're exhausted. We just had an election. The new Congress hasn't even started yet. Just lay off on the "gay rights" stuff til later.
  5. We have to get Obama re-elected.  Presidential elections take up the full two years of the cycle and you can't expect Obama to kowtow to left wing GLBT activist extremists and expect win moderate votes, so just STFU!
  6. We just won re-election. Can you please just let us bask in the glow of that until after the inauguration?
  7. This Obama's last chance to really govern. We have real issues to deal with without making it seem we're beholden to some fringe special interest extremists like the GLBT community.
  8. Why are y'all just bring up gay rights now in the 6th year of President Obama's term? You guys didn't work for it and don't deserve to have your issues addressed on your terms. Besides, we haven't yet had a blue ribbon commission that will examine the issue for a year and issue a report, which will be followed by a peer reviewed study of the ramifications, which will be followed by a another commission which will examine the differences between the first commission report and the study. After that commission's report is studied, we'll make a recommendation to the President who will then have to have his advisors study the issue for a while. At that point, the President may add the recommendation to his State of the Union address. So give us another three years even though we're only here only have one left.
  9. The commission is still doing its work behind closed doors, so don't talk about gay rights at all. We have another Presidential election to win and we can't be seen as being for gay rights in a Presidential election. Just STFU!
  10. Hey GLBT activists, we're on our way out. Half the President's advisors have already left for jobs in the private sector, Congress has adjourned until the new Congress begins. We are complete and utterly powerless lame ducks. What can the Obama Administration do for you? We're here to help.

</snark>

[ Parent ]
TRUE on number 1, 2, and possibly down to the last day of the chart above
Obama is clearly on the wrong side of history.  He has also taken the GLBT community for a ride.  Having said that, I am witholding judgement until #5 above to decide if the GLBT community should abandon him like he has us thus far.

No one here should be surprised by the lack of support from Obama.  All the signs and language were there on the campaign trail....marriage is between one man and one women blather.  We need to keep their feet to the flames.

vanhattan


[ Parent ]
genius!
This is what I have tried many times to tell hetero concern trolls, but the graphic says it better than I ever have or could.

[ Parent ]
This isn't 1993.
Clinton won in 1992 with a plurality.  In 1993, the country was still swinging right.  Clinton was the first President to hire openly gay staff at high levels of his administration.  In 1993, the lesbian kiss on "Ellen" was national news and stirred outrage.  

Things have changed.

Obama won in 2008 resoundingly, and in 2009 huge majorities of U.S. citizens are completely done with hard-right politics and are repudiating the Republican party.  Polls show sharp increases in support for marriage equality, and something like 73% in support for repealing DADT.  

There has never been a better climate for advancing LGBT civil rights.  


[ Parent ]
And
he won resoundingly with all 8 LGBT campaign promises origionally listed on the White House website. Thats what I am upset about. Americans voted to put him in office fulling expecting him to fullfill these campaign promises. I do not accept the 1993 "Clinton oops" as an excuse not to repeal DADT. I hold Obama fully responsible for the silence on the LGBT issues. Where is our leader?  

Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving."
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
Facts anyone?
David Medina is Michelle Obama's Deputy Chief of Staff.

John Barry was recently confirmed to be the director of the Office of Personnel Management. Barry is the highest-ranking openly gay official ever appointed and will be called upon to ensure that federal employment policies are applied fairly and equitably.

Fred Hochberg was appointed to head the Export-Import Bank of the United States.

Peter Burleigh has been selected the interim ambassador to India.

So far 30 openly LGBT individuals have been appointed by this administration -- 100 days in.

Obama has urged the Senate to follow the House on hate crimes.

His Secretary of State (Clinton) has signed onto the UN declaration.

He's reversing the Bush rules on "conscience clauses" that would most certainly impact LGBTs.

Not that I'm not looking forward to the next 100 days for more, but come on Socarides, get over your Clinton-era guilt.


correction
30 LGB folks.

None of them are T.

And that was covered, didnt you catch the "with a history in the movement" clause there?

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
appointments mean squat
Appointments are nice symbolism.  That said, even the RNC has in the past appointed gay Republicans to several positions.

The policy reversal on conscience clauses and the UN declaration are good work though.  He gets a gold star for those.


[ Parent ]
appointments mean squat cont.
For further clarification, I want to add that bureaucratic appointments are not so important when the movement's goals are the passage of legislation.  Appointments would be more important if we were looking primarily at narrower policy changes that have to go through a federal agency. We are not.  

Appointmes to the courts would be better if we were going to talk about appointments.


[ Parent ]
Appointments are very nice--
for the people who get them.  They don't accomplish a thing for the LGBT community as a whole.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
The UN declaration was completely symbolic and doesn't really cost him anything. At best that was worth a silver star or bronze star with a note in red next to it that says "You are capable of ding better than this. Apply yourself more."

[ Parent ]
It's impossible to avoid hiring gay people in Washington, Hunter
The thing is whether they're in the closet or not.

See Outrage when it's released a feww weeks from now for the whole story.


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It is never time for Labor and it is never time for LGBT
I agree fully but Obama never struck me as particularly liberal. Once again, we had to choose between our neglect or our persecution. This isn't the change I voted for.  

Well Said,
We had to choose between our neglect or our persecution.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

[ Parent ]
Yes
that's a good way to phrase it. Or....the party that wants us to go away vs the party that wants us dead.

[ Parent ]
Nice turn of phrase there too.
:)

[ Parent ]
Pragmatic
Like everyone else, I'd like to see all our issues enacted yesterday.  However, I've come to realize that Washington runs by a different clock than the rest of us do.  So, I'm inclined to cut Obama some slack.

But, if the time comes that a "Rovian" scenario occurs where a group meets with White House aides, the aides nod their heads up and down like puppies in a car's back window, and then belittle the group behind their backs as they are walking out of the White House, I would expect my patience would run out very quickly and I'd demand that Obama put up or shut up.  


But I'll ask the same question
I have been asking.

Where are the gay organizations that take our donations and who lobby solely on our behalf? Where do they stand?

First of all, those in our community should not (and have not) forgotten what happened under Clinton.

Second of all the communications following the Iowa marriage decision and the revamping of the White House website was handled almost too clumsity to be believed. As I have stated, you would think that someone in the communications office at the White House was more qualified than some of the shoddy work that we have seen regarding press releases.

Third, the tide of history seems to be on our side at the moment.


Those organizations
(by which I mean HRC) are doing exactly what they're supposed to.  HRC is not a GLBT org., it is a Democratic Party satellite with the job of keeping the GLBT community in the Democratic column.  Their masters at the DNC would be very unhappy with them if they actually started putting serious pressure on Obama and Congress to do anything for us.

NGLTF is too ineffectual and disorganized to be worth talking about.  GLAAD is too busy giving awards to professional homophobes like Leno to have any real interest in pressuring Obama & Co., even if they could.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
I disagree on NGLTF, but otherwise agree completely.
NGLTF does excellent field work training--might not be as high profile as GLAAD's awards, but it does a lot more to help us win hearts, minds, and elections than bloviating from within the beltway.  

[ Parent ]
Our military desperately needs us to repeal DADT.
Obama is missing a great opportunity. There will never be a better window of opportunity to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, precisely because our military needs it to be repealed now!

We're going on ten years into a war, our military personnel are exhausted, recruiters are committing suicide because of the stress, they're relaxing requirements all over the place, and the nation continues to deny people the opportunity to serve just because they're gay?

Obama and Congress should say that the repeal of DADT is absolutely essential because of the desperate need of our military for new recruits and experts in middle eastern languages and culture.

Defy anyone to suggest that sexual orientation should stand in the way of military readiness. Obama could turn this entire argument around.


I've been disappointed
that he hasn't been bolder re LGBT rights and I think he could risk some of his political capital on us.  But I'm also very, very glad that I'm still employed right now and quite frankly, he has a lot to do with that, because it's been a near miss.

I think we're a plank in the building and he's building as fast as he can.  We are NOT a top priority for him and on the day I pay my rent I don't mind that quite as much as I do the rest of the month.

He hasn't thrown the gauntlet down but every time I've seen him speak, regardless of the occasion, he's tossed out phrasing regarding EVERYONE being equal.   Now, we've all read about the code words the Republicans throw out regarding the far religious right... well, I think in his way Obama has been trying to let us know we're not forgotten.

I've been a pessimist all my life but for what it's worth, I'm not yet willing to give up hope where Barack Obama is concerned.


LG and B and T? Really?
It's interesting to look at this column and a number of the comments on here, especially after just over 100 days.  Actually, amusing.  From a trans perspective, the irony here can't be missed.  After 16 years of waiting for things as basic as employment or hate crimes, as Marti said, we're "crazy" or politically immature.  But after 6 of waiting for marriage, or 100 days of this admin, we're expecting ...?

Here's a trick for you: in the commentary and the column replace the word "Obama" with either "Barney Frank" or "HRC" and the words "gay and lesbian" or "GLBT" (as its sometimes used) with the word "transgender."  Then read them all and note what your reaction would be hearing these words from trans writers.  

This is quite revealing....


For those who don't know...
it would be "you are overreacting",or "we're tired of you riding on our coattails" or "come on, he's in a hard place here".

The hypocrisy is especially highlighted by the fact that outside of a transperson, no one has said a damn thing about the absence of transfolk from the consideration of the article writer (not Pam, but Socarides.

Sorry -- if you say GLBT, then you had DAMN well better mean GLBT because otherwise you are a liar, and I'm tired of being lied to.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
Of course your points are glazed over by the G&L commenters
because it's obvious and hypocritical.  

[ Parent ]
IT's not BARACK we need..... its' Michele..
I believe that we are not seeing much in the way of implementation, because he is NOT the advocate in the Whitehouse. I believe it is Michele....and she is staying away from policy decisions... except for womens rights and education. She is not even promoting health care, but then we all have a bad taste from Hillary doing that.

Well, I shouldn't have to be the one to tell you, Michele and Barack, but there are women homosexuals too. and female identifying transgenders.... and they are all kept back by womens rights. Many have children, and many have partners who need health care and many are in the military... and many are black...and a few more are dead each year.

So, I think it would be valuable for them to be LOUDER and asking the Whitehouse what the heck is going on with protecting them?  It takes away the 'priest thing', the 'pedophilia' thing and the 'bestiality' thing. Leaving only the very same good family values and needs all American families have.

Did you see the picture of that lovely family in IOWA?... Mom1 and Mom2 and daughter teen, and daughter infant! They had a whole lot of strickes against them, but at least, thanks to the brave IOWANS.... they are married!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


Here you go...


It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
OOPS...it is son, infant.


It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Lesbian issues are ignored by LGBT organisations
The only issues that we benefit from are those that include gay men, primarily marrriage and employment.

There is no healthcare initiative to reach out to Lesbians concerning the two biggest killers of our sisters.
LGBT healthcare always means HIV and only HIV.


I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
Welcome to the club
Now you know why I prefer the company of lesbians to gay men. Gay men actually took the whole LGBT movement and made it their own, even as far as some of them advocating for the expulsion of transgendered Americans.

[ Parent ]
Way to slam a whole group
I wasn't aware that I'm supposed to be ignoring lesbian health issues. So does this mean I shouldn't make any more contributions for breast cancer? Just say the word, and I'll have them stop taking that money out every month.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing

[ Parent ]
We have very many supportive gay men
the organisations, though, other than NCLR, basically just reach out to Lesbians for donations or bodies to register voters at election time....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
We Lesbians do not have clean hands
on discrimation against trans-people or neglecting them, Margaret. Look at some of the RadLesSep blogs sometimes or read a Norah Vincent column...we have our own shame.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
Why doesn't someone acknowledge
the real reason why they fear working for gay rights? That this is due to homophobia in the Democratic leadership and the "icky" factor? Do you really think they believe repealing DADT would cost them an election/reelection? I think Pam makes some good points, but this is far more complex than fear of the opposition.  

i'm liking the momentum on an omnibus lgbt rights bill
I do think Obama should have a "LGBT community Liaison" person. I think its the White House view that they just have people in the Office of Public Liaison whose job description includes the LGBT community.

Does he have senior aides whose bailiwick is outreach to the Black, Labor, Jewish, AIDS, progressive, Latino or Asian communities?


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I think that something like that would be under
Valerie Jarrett or is (or should be) a joint effort between Jarrett and Gibbs. I know that all of their people aren't in place, as they are still hiring for positions.

[ Parent ]
The apologist " he is too busy with war and the economy" line is BS

Obama has had no problem discussing, abortion and stem cell, and a myriad of other issues.

The silence is deafening regarding us.

Well, except for when he dumps on and trashes our recent gay marriage victories on the state level with ludicrous, overly spun, condescending press releases.

Coming from a man who should know better given his parentage.

Real Classy.


Funny, I heard that whole "know better" back in...
November, and then again before that in the October-November period before that.

One time was "black people", and the time before that is was "gay people".

On the gay people one, I got told to shut up. So did a lot of transfolk.  To shut up and do your work.

By gay people.

Watch that glass house, hon.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
I said this on March 29th, and my mind has not changed a month later
Right after Gates said the defense budget would include money to keep kicking queers out of the military, I was told, "You have to give Obama tiiiiiiiiime."

No, I fucking don't. I don't owe this backstabbing, pious, asskissing cretin a goddamn thing.

Frankly, I expected better from a Constitutional law scholar who grew up in richly diverse, multicultural environments. What we all got was a closet bigot who, when faced with the hard reality that christians hate queers, buried his previous legal scholarship and moral decency in favor of embracing his christian, straight, married-with-children privilege and buying as many gay hate votes as possible.

We HAVE given him time. We gave him his whole goddamn two year campaign, and we got raging homobigot Donnie McClurkin pandering to hate voters and, "I oppose same-sex marriage because God is in the mix." We heard, "Give him time! He has to pander! Let him get elected first!" So we shut up. We gave him from November until January, and we got Rick Warren, raging homobigot Josh Dubois, "I believe in reaching out to all people," and a backhanded slap to Rev. Gene Robinson and a pass-the-buck on the responsibility. We heard, "Give him time! Let him actually get into office!" So we shut up, and watched the fabled multitasker shove us back into the closet. We have had between January 20th and today, March 29th, and what have we gotten thus far? We have gotten a pass-the-buck Pentagon study group on DADT, which is shaping up to be the easiest damn piece of encoded bigotry to fix! Where was President Separate-But-Equal when Elaine Donnelly made an ass of herself at the House Armed Service Committee hearing on DADT last year? He was appearing at Rick Warren's cult base and fellating born-again zealots who want us jailed, deported, or killed. Since January 20th we have heard NO declarations of support for marriage equality at the state level. We have heard NO official statements of support for immigration equality, AIDS research and treatment, an inclusive ENDA, the Matthew Shepard Act, or the repeal of DOMA. And now, we have it from Obama's own Defense Secretary that continuing to discriminate against gays willing to die for their country is perfectly okay with him.

In short, we gave him our money, our time, our votes, and our trust, and in the two years and change we've been supporting this guy, he's slapped us in the face again and again and again. I'm curious exactly as to why you think we should be waiting longer. I, for one, have no desire to be the abused spouse who keeps going home for another round, hoping that if she behaves better, if she just loves him more, he might change.

HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU PEOPLE NEED THAT THIS MAN IS NOT OUR FRIEND?

As a veteran, and someone preparing to lose the love of her life thanks to this perverse piece of hatred [DADT], I REALLY resent being told by a bunch of privileged white male DINOs to just be patient, give him TIME. I don't HAVE time to wait around for the pathetic fucksticks in the DNC to grow a pair. I don't HAVE time to hang out and watch President Separate-But-Equal diddle himself over a couple of executive bonuses. My life is falling apart NOW because of their stinking, evil, christian hatred, and if I could ruin their lives in turn the way they are ruining mine, I would.

What have we gotten so far? An Easter Egg hunt and a statement of support for ratification of a non-binding declaration at the U.N. that doesn't actually obligate the Administration to DO anything because SCOTUS already overthrew all the sodomy laws, but only after the lawyers went over it with a fine-tooth comb to make sure.

To add to all this, in April we had two marriage equality victories, a DP expansion giving us a substantive equivalent, and what have we heard? NOTHING. We've heard Nancy Pelosi say that a repeal of DOMA isn't even on the table. We heard no statements of support for the T's in our country during the Mathew Shepard Act deliberations. For a man who purports to espouse equality for everyone, we haven't heard him berate the NH legislature for throwing Ts under the bus when it comes to simple things like housing and employment. We heard no censure of Virginia Foxx or Michelle Bachman, or any pick-your-christian-Rethug-bigot when they make horrible remarks about us. Why?

Because he fucking agrees with them. He just doesn't have the cajones to say it outright.

This man is not my friend. The honeymoon was over a long time ago.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


Wow! What an incredibly articulate rant.
If I were a christian I'd say, "amen".  

[ Parent ]
Yeah he's an evil piece of shit
and the delusional think somehow (whose stance was nearly identical on GBLT rights was virtually identical and where they differ she was less progressive).  Could you at least give the man more than three month to go into manic rage and assumptions?  Even if he remains totally neutral to our rights, history and opinion is on our side, and we will get there.  That is vastly better than what the GOP offered us or will in 2012.  Simply staying out of our way will let us achieve our goals now, and we have no rational reason to think at this point he will be more than just neutral on our behalf.  If this was 2011 and all was the same you might have a point.

[ Parent ]
Less paranoia and some fact-checking...

Released this week:

       

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT ON H.R. 1913, THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HATE CRIMES PREVENTION ACT OF 2009

   This week, the House of Representatives is expected to consider H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009.  I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance - legislation that will enhance civil rights protections, while also protecting our freedom of speech and association.  I also urge the Senate to work with my Administration to finalize this bill and to take swift action.

A major piece of legislation is moving forward on his first 100 days in office. Is Obama reaaaaally that evil?  



[ Parent ]
Facts don't matter
especially to former Clinton supporters.  Despite the fact that she was more conservative (slightly) on gay rights, and no doubt would have been at least as cautious, or likely moreso, on gay rights as Obama.  He is nevertheless a secret homophope, despite all actual evidence pointing to the opposite.

[ Parent ]
I am not a former Clinton Supporter,
 I never was a Clinton Supporter.  Fact is I supported Dennis Kucinich.  Then when he dropped out I supported Edwards, and then Obama.  

Silence speaks a lot of words, the same as HRCs silence during the ENDA debacle of 2007.  His silence on the victories of Iowa and Vermont feeds the opposition(well not his feelings a he has said he is against marriage equality) 10 to 1, if Hate Crimes law reaches his desk, it will get signed but there will be no mention that we have to do more when it comes to equality.

If I am wrong, I might give him some more slack.  I just don't see people's Civil Rights as a fucking game.  I don't see them as God is in the Mix either.  We got Finger in the Wind with Bill Clinton regarding LGBT issues.  Looks like we are having the same.

 

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
Technically he wasn't silent on Iowa
They issued that lame ass statement that didn't even include the word "equal" in it until it hit the blogs and started a storm. Quite similar to the train wreck on the website scrubbing "re-design" this past week.

And the finder in the wind we are getting is 20 years behind. With issues like ENDA and repeal of DADT, not only is the American public with us, but they have been with us for a while. I frequently cite the Gallup poll that showed in 1993, when Clinton was taking office, 80% of Americans felt that gays should have employment protection. 80%!! ... in 1993. The latest gallup poll on it shows support at 89%. and we're still having to argue with Congress that this is a good bill? We're still having to fight to have the bill be fully inclusive of our entire community? I'm not transgendered, but I stand in solidarity with my T brothers and sisters that we will not accept anything less than a fully inclusive ENDA bill and won't allow Democrats to divide out community in yet another ploy excuse to can the measure for another session of Congress.


[ Parent ]
"former Clinton supporters"?!?!?!?!
You're serious about this, aren't you?  You actually believe that the only people unhappy with Obama are former Clinton supporters?  That the only reason any of us could have for anger at his inaction and betrayal is because we're former Clinton supporters?

Your attempts to find reasons to defend this man are getting so desperate they're laughable.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
No I don't think that, nor is that what I said.
There is a hard core of former supporters of HRC that were decrying Obama as a smug homophobe before he even took office.  They are the most strident voices of criticism I've seen, but yes the rest of us have issues with him too.  I'm angry too, about several things, but I think it's wrong to run with it and assume he is our enemy.  I'm not desperate to defend him, but I don't think enough time has passed to already be attacking him, vowing not to vote Democratic next time, and asserting he is a secret homophobe.  It just makes us look ridiculous.

[ Parent ]
"It just makes us look ridiculous."
What do you mean, "look"?

[ Parent ]
Not going to apologize, onthesea. Never was a Clinton supporter, either
Pam showed us in January that BO was on record as supportive of marriage equality in 1996.

Where was that support when he said "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman"? Where was it when that statement was being used in robocalls by the Yes on 8 people? Where has this fierce advocacy been since he was elected to the U.S. Senate?

If you can find it, let me know. Looks to me like it was conveniently shitcanned before his presidential campaign kicked off. You talk about the "first 100 days" and dare tell me I have to give him tiiiiiiime, but my vision goes a little bit further back than yours. I look at the last 13 years of his career in politics, and I'm not impressed.

He's neither advocate nor friend to us. Friends don't tell you one day that they support your equal civil rights and then turn around the next day, giggle, "Oops, didn't really mean that!" and go on their merry way.

Your pathetic attempt to paint BO critics as merely disgruntled HRC supporters is disingenuous at best. At worst, it buys into that crap meme that all women wanted in the White House was a vagina, and so keep stomping feet and screaming, "Hillary shoulda won!" Give it up. It's not rooted in reality, and it's irrelevant at this point. You ignore the truth that BO won't lift a finger to actually help LGB and especially Ts make any progress getting legal, equal protections in this country. It makes party liners uncomfortable to face the reality that the Democratic Party's Personal Jesus isn't what he claimed. Much easier to just shove the critics aside and say, "You're still just mad that Hillary lost." What a load of horseshit.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
The robocalls...
I keep hearing about it. As you may or may not be aware of, Obama sent a letter to a couple of A-gays in California congratulating them for their marriage right after the controversy began. Why did the No on 8 refused to use that letter? How can you claim Obama had anything to do with it instead of acknowledging the Yes on 8 was smarter than us and used a simple statement for their political advantage?

Regarding the "Obama v. Clinton" debate, where exactly did you see Hillary Clinton supporting same-sex marriage? If I recall,  as early as 2006 she even spoke against New York's former Gov.  Spitzer because of his support of marriage equality. There's no evidence things would  be different with a new Clinton administration.


[ Parent ]
I didn't ask you to apologize
We need allies and you don't want them.  You don't want to put pressure on the Obama and the Dems, you just seem to want to hate them, scream, and walk away.  It does us no good.  I couldn't care less if you apologize or not.  I do NOT think all of Obama's critics on the left are former HRC supporters, but some of them have been poisoning the well from the beginning.  This isn't a stereotype, I have seen one of my favorite gay feminist blogs go PUMA and support Cynthia McKinney in the election (as well as defend and praise Sarah Palin) from just those voices.  If you heard, "You're still just mad Hillary lost" in what I said, you obviously don't listen to anything but your own anger.

[ Parent ]
You forgot to mention God, though he never seems to forget
"God is in the mix."

By the way, Hilary Clinton marched with us. Yes, she has come out saying she prefers clvil unions, but has never added God as the reason.

And I was a Kucinich supporter before he dropped out. I voted my cause.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
In Chicago
it was the old civil rights groups and the AA churches that campaigned and mobilized against Barack Obama in previous election cycles. Neither the Clintons nor Al Gore had any problem, really, politically mobilizing through predominatly African American churches but Obama did. And if Obama decided to keep his hands off of this area, Hillary Clinton certainly would not have.

It's a tough situation.


[ Parent ]
Not to mention that in his US Senate campaign
He could have said he likes eating babies roasted with a nice side salad of field greens and still gotten elected.

Judy Barr-Topinka made a very calculated move when she picked Alan Keyes over Da Coach to run that year.  The moderate Republicans have been trying to get it through the religious nutcases' heads that that dog wouldn't hunt in Illinois.  They still don't get it.

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
Oh, and the civil rights establishment
actually backed Obama's opponent (by and large) backed Blair Hull (Jesse Jr. did support Obama but many of Obama's endorsements in the Dem primary came from liberals (and whites), not the AA religious community).

Obama didn't need to make overtures to the religious community to win his US Senate seat, though even then he was positioning himself for a run at the Presidency


[ Parent ]
A great example of why/how this media format can be cathartic....
Thanks keori. The whole thread is or will be productive, I hope, but this fine comment deserves a place in the sun. So I hope you don't mind I pulled it and posted it to my facebook wall to stand on its own.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Go right ahead, orion
It really makes me sad that a man with BO's background, education, and early record of supporting equal rights for all can move so far away from that for political expediency. What does it say about someone who will throw away a particularly vulnerable core constituency like he's done to us just to get votes? What happened to those fabled, shining morals?

I'm especially angry about all this because the 2008 Democratic Party Platform makes a strong commitment to supporting and PROGRESSING LGBT rights and protections. So far, we haven't see The One be anything but a silent observer with one finger in the wind and another up his ass. He's taken no forward action on anything, preferring instead to content himself with half-assed statements of "guess I'll go along with it" anytime SOMEONE ELSE does the work.

I don't think he's ever VETO pro-LGBT legislation should it ever come across his desk. I also have no faith he'd actually help it get there.

Just to clarify, I went on public record as an Obama supporter in April of 2008. By October that support had evaporated for all the reasons listed therein.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
write Obama, write the White House, write DNC
please share those sentiments with him/them. I agree with you. You just said it better. I think Michelle would be a good advocate. She is championing the military family. Just not ours. I'm hoping when she experiences the pain of the children when their parent goes off to war and they must stay secret, she will lead.  

Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving."
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
Thank You Keori
That was one the best rant I've read in a long time and I completely agree.  I think every GLBT person in the country should write Obama a hand written letter every day and have it mailed to the White House.  That is never done any more.  After a while, after receiving a few million letters for a few days or for a few months - maybe he would get the message.

Handwritten letters are nice
I have written several to Michelle Obama in these first fabled 100 days. I have yet to hear back from her. She's supposedly such a huge supporter of military families, yet I haven't heard a peep out of either of them about MY military family, just, "We're going to kick that can down the road a bit."

I guess our families only matter when we can be used as photo ops on the White House lawn.

I'd like to remind everyone that in 2007 the Mathews Shepard Act had the votes to pass in both chambers as a rider on the Defense Budget Authorization bill, but was stripped out of the legislation because Junior said he would veto the whole thing if it were in there. So before people tout this as some great progressive miracle for which we should bow down and thank the Personal Jesus of the Democratic Party, remember that we would have had this in 2007 with a bipartisan consensus with fewer Dems in both chambers if not for one of the worst presidents in American history.

And while we're on the subject, since when was I a Clinton supporter? Or do people still believe that tired POS meme that all white women by default supported Hillary?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
I'll explain this one more time:
Letters sent to the president (or the first lady) at the White House are routed to a boilerplate operation in a warehouse in Virginia.  There, a team of freelance writers punch out stock replies (if they deem the letters merit a response at all).  A microscopic percentage of the letters are actually forwarded to the White House--and those are letters that are unlikely to anger of challenge the president in any way.  The ones that make the cut are ones that are likely to give him fodder for speeches.

Writing to the president accomplishes nothing: American democracy in action.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


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Where's Barack Obama, the 'Fierce Advocate' for LGBT rights?
I am not surprised at Mr. Obama's silence about LGBT rights since taking office.  Let us evoke Act Up's brilliant branding tagline:  "Silence equals death." As long as he or others representing his administration do not reference us and our need for equal rights, we do not exist. As long as we do not make demands on him, we of course become angrier and angrier.  I have long felt that the best time to demand and advocate for overturning DADT has been during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.  Neither are going to end in the foreseeable future.  How about evoking "the urgency of now (as Obama often did during his campaign)?" I agree with a previous comment that approaching Michelle Obama may be an avenue worth pursuing to persuade the President and all of his men (which dominate the makeup of his closest advisors), to find the courage of their convictions (or not). In this economy and by the very definition of Obama's campaign--"we do not have a person to waste" in America.  Let us press upon the administration that there is no time that the present to advance our quest for equal rights and dignity.  And remember, they will always say this is not a good time.  Nothing like the present, I say.  Bravo to Richard Socarides and Pam too!

CaptainAlpha 12
"Well behaved women never make history."

 

Tanya

"Well behaved women never make history."


Great tagline: "Well behaved women never make history."...
First person who came to mind was Queen Elizabeth. ... and her  rigorous protocol laced life. But what made the most history... was when she came out of the palace gate to stand on the street with everyone else waiting for Dianna's hearse to pass!

Here is a comment from a friend: re the need for 'women to do it.

agree with this strategy. Barack has had strong women in his life. His grandmother, mother and his mother-in-law and wife. There seems to be a strain of men who are more male than significant household example.

His father, and his Walter Mitty grandfather and his pastor have been insignificant or absent in his life. He is angry at his pastor and his natural father on deep and important levels. He has passive aggression down to an art form and the GLBT community is a victim of this fact.



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Passsive Aggression Toward Gay People
I think your friend's analysis is spot-on!  There is something going on with all these guy-guys around him--like Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, picking a Marine General to be his national security advisor.  But I think Michelle and all these women around him keep him very steady emotionally.  I could see how homosexuality could be a threat to his masculinity and perhaps why he distances himself from these issues by not mentioning "gays" with respect to the Hate Crimes Act, or coming out and refuting that the death of Matthew Shepard was a hoax.  It this president just said it is not okay to beat up and kill glbt people that would really mean something.  But I do not see him doing anything like that.  Rahm is probably a factor in this sort of public politics too.  

Tanya

"Well behaved women never make history."


[ Parent ]
What is amusing in this comment section
is the talk of Obama being our "friend" or advocate. The reality is that friends don't mean jack shit in politics. Political influence is based on grass roots activism and building the political will. Expecting politicians not to be political (ie. be your friend or advocate without any political will to do so) is naive and stupid. If you want to blame anyone for the lack of movement on bills, try those who are in charge of building that political capital/will.  

Political will and capital,
 What was it that put President Obama ahead of Sec. of State Hillary Clinton? Oh yeah, that's right, the LGBT community getting behind then Sen. Obama for his stance on the complete repeal of DOMA.  Not just the part that Hillary Clinton proposed.

Yeah, I remember that.  Even when he was blasting his one man one woman crap before the election.  

And if my memory serves me correctly, Obama was touting his stance on equality before the economy went into the crapper.  

Just another case of he needed the LGBT vote to get him where he is and now it is OK to shit on us.  Rick Warren was invited to the party on Jan 20th.  The big Obama supporters said, Well he said he was going to reach out to those who dissagreed with him.  OK, fine then, he also promised many things to the LGBT community.  And if he can suck up to the religious whackos, he can damn sure do something for the people who actually voted for him.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
that presumes that the bully pulpit is ineffective or useless
And that is not the case, otherwise, why hold town halls, make prime time speeches? Those are all meant to be ways to speak directly to the people to help gather and shape political progress. And he's done that on other issues, so he knows the power of the bully pulpit. He's just chosen not to use it here, now, as he had during the campaign.

Again, no one said Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are not responsible for getting legislation through, but it appears everyone, including the president, keeps looking for some magical amount of political cover to move on our issues.

As I've said elsewhere, I don't see this as a friend or foe discussion; that presumes there are no shades of gray when discussing the sitting president and holding that person accountable. This isn't a "you're either with us or against us" politician; that was the last guy in the chair. Of course the right man is in the job; he will sign equality bills that make it to his desk.

But merely stating the obvious -- the waffling on DADT and Gates telegraphing repeal is backburnered, the poor (or "no comment") communications coming out regarding marriage equality gains -- isn't calling the president a foe. Questioning  what strategy, if any, exists, on LGBT issues in the Obama White House based on its actions is only logical.

Your position appears to be that you don't even like the questions being asked "out loud." You're entitled to that view, I'm entitled to mine. But I can address the differences in a respectful manner; that appears to present some difficulty for you. Please make a better effort if you want your view to be taken seriously.

The inability to multitask is not a legitimate excuse for this White House when small steps can be taken that do make a difference -- a liaison charged with shaping the administration's positions and statements; public supportive statements on camera, open, public dialogue with LGBT groups (btw, have there been any official meetings with any of our groups with this administration yet related to legislative efforts)? It would be good to know what role he now intends to play post-election, we've heard nothing. The fact is candidate Obama's promises and President Obama and his administration's actions don't exactly square.

The general question in my post is under what political circumstances would this administration feel comfortable being a 'Fierce Advocate'? The polls are moving in our direction, the right wing is scrambling, the professional anti-gays like NOM are flailing, the GOP is desperately trying to remake itself. We haven't seen that constellation of failure before and it's hard to watch this administration not take advantage of that opportunity.

Barack Obama's an ally, but he's obviously not politically interested in moving on our issues based on his political instincts, whatever they are. Asking whether any LGBTs with access to the president actually have his ear on our issues in light of the communication coming out of the WH is a legitimate question.

Obama fans think I'm too hard on the guy, just whining and shouldn't criticize, then there are those who would have rather seen Hillary elected ready to jump down his throat on a dime, and then there are the cynics who say Obama used the gays to cruise in and has no intention of ever moving on our issues. It's predictably maddening on a matter that is more complex than this.

That said, it takes so little to be a public ally (just being as vocal as he was during the campaign makes a difference), but now it's perceived as a too risky an endeavor, even in the current environment. It would be useful to know why. After all, you said, bottom line he is also a politician, regardless of his prior statements about being an ally.


[ Parent ]
You said:
And that is not the case, otherwise, why hold town halls, make prime time speeches? Those are all meant to be ways to speak directly to the people to help gather and shape political progress. And he's done that on other issues, so he knows the power of the bully pulpit. He's just chosen not to use it here, now, as he had during the campaign.
Then be pissed at Howard Dean too. Because he commented on Bill Maher's show about DADT. He said there isn't the political will for it. The fact that the economy is so bad and sucks the political will out of the Congress and the President's agenda is something to talk about. But blaming him is myopic.
As I've said elsewhere, I don't see this as a friend or foe discussion; that presumes there are no shades of gray when discussing the sitting president and holding that person accountable. This isn't a "you're either with us or against us" politician; that was the last guy in the chair. Of course the right man is in the job; he will sign equality bills that make it to his desk.

But merely stating the obvious -- the waffling on DADT and Gates telegraphing repeal is backburnered, the poor (or "no comment") communications coming out regarding marriage equality gains -- isn't calling the president a foe. Questioning  what strategy, if any, exists, on LGBT issues in the Obama White House based on its actions is only logical.

He doesn't support gay marriage. How many ways do you have to hear that before you actually take it to heart? I agree he isn't a foe, but he's not 100 percent with our agenda. And questioning strategy is only "logical" if you take into consideration the political will of the country. Health care is up next, and he's moving fast to use up the political capital while his positive ratings are sky high.
"Your position appears to be that you don't even like the questions being asked "out loud." You're entitled to that view, I'm entitled to mine. But I can address the differences in a respectful manner; that appears to present some difficulty for you. Please make a better effort if you want your view to be taken seriously."
Because I said "get off his jock"? You don't have to address my points because I'm uncivilized? Will you please pass the Grey Poupon? The website question and the LGBT strategy are great questions. Questioning his fierceness on our advocacy? It's smarmy and belittling.
"The inability to multitask is not a legitimate excuse for this White House when small steps can be taken that do make a difference -- a liaison charged with shaping the administration's positions and statements; public supportive statements on camera, open, public dialogue with LGBT groups (btw, have there been any official meetings with any of our groups with this administration yet related to legislative efforts)? It would be good to know what role he now intends to play post-election, we've heard nothing. The fact is candidate Obama's promises and President Obama and his administration's actions don't exactly square."
This has nothing to do an inability to multi-task, but with not sucking up political capital in things that aren't the highest on his priority to do list. Do you ignore people you know in the Administration? I know that LGBT leaders have met with Barack Obama. I know that the folks who are tied into the administration are making a difference. I wonder how someone like you that's on such a "progressive GLBT listserve" (that I was kicked off of), wouldn't know this.
"The general question in my post is under what political circumstances would this administration feel comfortable being a 'Fierce Advocate'? The polls are moving in our direction, the right wing is scrambling, the professional anti-gays like NOM are flailing, the GOP is desperately trying to remake itself. We haven't seen that constellation of failure before and it's hard to watch this administration not take advantage of that opportunity."
And the answer is easy. You don't want to give a dying party something to latch on to. RE:political capital/will.  A much better "general question" would be why aren't LGBT groups like HRC and NGLTF firing up their base to raise the political will in this country. Blaming Obama is ignoring the political realities at play.
That said, it takes so little to be a public ally (just being as vocal as he was during the campaign makes a difference), but now it's perceived as a too risky an endeavor, even in the current environment. It would be useful to know why. After all, you said, bottom line he is also a politician, regardless of his prior statements about being an ally.
Ask Howard Dean. I think the answer is pretty obvious. The economy, 2 wars, and the bailouts are taking front stage and are sucking the air out of everything else. I have no illusions. But i don't care if he's an ally, friend, or if he's comfortable with transgender people. What I care about is that he will sign legislation that gets to his desk. We have to continue to make it possible for him to have the positions he does, by changing political will. That is the elephant in the room that no gay blogger likes to talk about. If anyone is in charge of our national agenda, it is groups like HRC. If you want to blame anyone for the lack of political will, maybe you should ask questions of them. Howard Dean isn't a shill for Obama, and he's been open and forthright about what the problem is on DADT. Changing the political football field should be our goal, not tackling Obama.  

[ Parent ]
address the suggestions
What is problematic about any of Socarides's suggestions? None of them hurt the cause in the least. Is the problem that he is expressing his opinion that the administration has been MIA since the election? He should know, having served with a president who is widely seen (rightly or wrongly) as having thrown gays under the bus. But speaking aloud about the silence is not unproductive, it merely spurs discussion. Too often our progressive friends steer us to the "sit down and shut up at the back of the bus" reaction for all sorts of reasons. It's odd to see reasoned dissent seen in some parts of the community as unproductive or counterproductive.
We have to continue to make it possible for him to have the positions he does, by changing political will. That is the elephant in the room that no gay blogger likes to talk about. If anyone is in charge of our national agenda, it is groups like HRC.
I don't disgree with that position, but I disagree that gay bloggers don't want to talk about that. We certainly talk about it all the time here.

[ Parent ]
How I'm seeing things
Obama fans think I'm too hard on the guy, just whining and shouldn't criticize, then there are those who would have rather seen Hillary elected ready to jump down his throat on a dime, and then there are the cynics who say Obama used the gays to cruise in and has no intention of ever moving on our issues. It's predictably maddening on a matter that is more complex than this.

Honestly, I think the LGBT community and other progressive elements of the Democratic Party are used the same way that the Republicans used the social conservatives.  I'm thinking a nice dinner party on election night next year will be a great idea.  I can get a bunch of people over in a state that could be decided by an incredibly small margin, and possibly let the Democrats know that we will be there for them, but they need to do more than lip service.  

I am glad the hate crimes bill went through.  But there are so many things that we have been told over and over to wait for and repeatedly we get told to wait just until after the next election for so long that frankly, my give a damn is busted.

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
THIS from side note on PHILLY Independence Hall NATIONAL RALLY today....
....as it is also OUT weekend in Philly per this list of event. Including a Youth Forum held yesterday..
nationalequalityrally.com/nationalequalityrally/otherevents.html

BUT HERE IS MILITARY quote: Think how neat it would be to be able to have military in uniform at PRIDE EVENTS!

GAY IN MILITARY WANT TO BE OUT TOO!
"The direct legacy of the people seeking equality in front of Independence Hall is those lesbians and gay men in the military who want to be able to serve their country being openly queer and in uniform. ... They want to show that they salute just as well as the next person does. They want to show that they are as honorable and heroic as any straight soldier has been."

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


I'd be afraid of who he would appoint
Third, he should appoint a high-ranking, respected, openly gay policy advocate to oversee government efforts toward lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equality

Given some of his choices, I'd be afraid of it being John Paulk, Patrick Sammon, Perez Hilton, Charlie Stadtlander or someone even worse.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


Any Chicagoians (?) in the house?
What is so utterly amazing about this discussion is that if you took many of these comments, substituted "African American issues" for "LGBT issues" then this could be nearly the exact same debate that the African American community in Chicago had about Barack Obama.

Granted he is in a nearly infinitely more powerful position as President of the United States now (as opposed to State Senator).

But the similarities are so...ironic (at least to me) from a number of reasons.


I run into so many non-Chicagoans that think they understand Chicago politics
"Of course Obama's a liberal!  He's from Chicago, isn't he?!?"

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
The Generals got to the POTUS
While a number of people have mentioned Secretary Gates' comments that it would take time, at least five years before reversing DADT, I am quite sure the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the the various military heads of each service got to Obama on DADT.  Look this politician does not have the baggage of the Clinton "dodging the draft" record, but he has no military experience.  Stephanapolous wrote how intimating the generals are in their uniforms etc.  It is a different culture and it is SLOW, VERY SLOW to change.  I am sure Obama is thinking he has two wars to consider and does not want to push these generals too hard to change on an issue that they have a difficult time wrapping their small brains around. This is a factor that very few in the GLBT groups really never have understood--it was more than apparent in 1993 when most of the leadership on this issue was anti-war.  It is really a class issue too.  So when you have two wars going on, I just cannot think there is a better time to push for this change.  We have GLBT soldiers,sailors, marines and airmen dying in these wars.  We should at least be recognized as being gay.  I do not see a push from the gay groups who moved away from the issue as fast as they could after the loss in 1993.  But now the public is WAY AHEAD of the POTUS and the generals, as younger troops and especially women in the military just don't have issues with issue of gays in the military.  Polling data reflects 75 percent in favor of gays serving openly in the military.  I recently spoke about this issue at Columbia law school.  The lawyer from the US Military Academy, speaking with me, began his presentation by saying repeatedly just "how afraid" the military was of allowing gays to serve openly. I thought it was a really lousy legal argument (really none at all).  He had so many red-herrings in his argument I will not lits them here, but he did raise the foxhole question, which I addressed by saying if you were in a foxhole with a gay person and you were distracted with the idea of sex while bullets were flying then you would certainly die.   The students laughed.  Anyway, our sisters and brothers continue to be discharged for being gay; harassed; detained; and assaulted.  This bothers me more than anything else that Obama is being held captive by the generals, who are indeed afraid of this change. I say go appeal to Michelle; go around all of his male advisors and the generals.  We have so many GLBT vets now; West Point officers have formed an gay org too.  This is a very different world from 1993 and we should not be afraid.  Remember JFK told MLK Jr. not to march in 1963 because it was not a good time.  There will never be a good time to demand our civil and human rights.  I am very out as a gay vet and I was proud to serve.  No one can take that away from me and even Barak Obama and his generals can't take that away from us.  No time like the present.

Captain Alpha 12
"Well behaved women never make history."

Tanya

"Well behaved women never make history."


There will never be a good time to demand our civil and human rights.
IIRC that was also MLK Jr.'s message in the Letter from the Birmingham Jail.

[ Parent ]
Barak Obama is no more an ally that McCain, the Clintons or the Bushes were...
And for the same reason. They're all bigots. In Obama's case he's pandered since day one in a very well thought-out campaigh to capture bigot votes directed by an anti-SSM, anti-choice ordained pentecostal bigot named Joshua Dubois.

Obama's pandering took the form of organizing a very large nationwide pool of anti-GLBT (by their nature) christist support groups, of removing all mention of GLBT equality from the Democrat platform from his nomination until after his inauguration. He wooded bigots by validating their bigotry. He told them they had friends in high places, aka 'gawd's in the mix'. Then he rubbed a little salt in our wounds by inviting a particularly rancid bigot, Warren to his inaugural, by creating a board of anti-GLBT spirit advisors, and by promoting Dubois to run his faith based bribery effort to cement ties with christist pulpit pimps.

Obama is the new Clinton and Dubois is the new Karl Rove.

-------------------------------------------

The responses of Democrats to criticism of Obama fall into several categories:

I. He's a savior and you're crucifying him. Poor, poor Obama.

II. Give him a few years. Seven years. Then we'll see. Maybe.

III. Let's not push him into a corner and make him choose between us and the bigots. We know how that'll go.

IV. Bus? What Bus? I didn't see any bus.  

V. We're being tested to see if we're worthy.

VI. I can read Obama's mind and I know, deep in my heart, that he loves us.

VIII. He busy turning the recession into a depression and committing mass murder from Palestine to Pakistan to be bothered by such un-American things as equality and human rights.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


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