Breaking: NH House rejects revised marriage bill

I hope that something good comes from this. I really do

"I am the sledgehammer to your 10,000 mirrors." everyone needs to be open and out of their closets.

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by: TSinGarnNC16 @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 15:18:05 PM CDT

it went to........

........conference to have new language that both the house and senate can agree on hammered out -- i assume they'll get a buy off from the Gov on the langage too before they submit it for a vote, but it'll happen in teh next week or so........if the Gov wanted to torpedo it there were easier ways to do it....

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by: suigenerousla @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 15:29:12 PM CDT

Just a step.. not over and still lots of support

The Senate passed the changes 14-10 Wednesday, but the House failed to agree later in the day by a vote of 188-186. Opponents tried to kill the bill, but failed. The House then voted 207-168 to ask the Senate to negotiate a compromise.

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by: tro @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 15:29:44 PM CDT

There was a vote to kill it outright

That failed 172-202.  That's a very good sign.

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by: brianrater @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 16:44:24 PM CDT

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As someone here posted a few days ago...

Steve Vaillancourt of Manchester spearheaded opposition from GOP members that had voted in favor of marriage equality.  This was PURELY political...a slap back at Lynch for daring to try and inject language into a congressional bill through threat of veto ("posturing").  Both Lynch & Vaillancourt should be ashamed if this doesn't pass.

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by: Bruno @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 15:36:26 PM CDT

Vaillancourt is on his own planet

which would be OK if he weren't supposed to be representing people on this one.

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by: inclusive @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 21:27:34 PM CDT

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25 members were not present

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by: bruhrabbit3 @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 16:00:05 PM CDT

i think its not a bad thing to get more of a legislative intent record

there is going to be intense legislation on exactly what the  meaning of these amendments imply for married same-sex couples in New Hampshire, so a little more time to add to the legislative record could be helpful.

I am reasonably confident that the powers-that-be i NH intend for this bill to become law


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by: Mad Professah @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 16:35:19 PM CDT

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I agree

Even Lynch wants this to pass...it's just a matter of a political cat and mouse now, which I resent.

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by: Bruno @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 16:40:46 PM CDT

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Hear, hear

Making a political football out of civil rights is cruel and wrong.

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by: ElsieElsie @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 17:05:27 PM CDT

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I agree

At least one of those votes is a protest because the representative felt the bill was too protective of religious groups and that the l anguage was unnecessary meddling by the Governor. So I suspect that these things maybe ironed out in the next 2 weeks (I hope).  

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by: bruhrabbit3 @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 19:06:22 PM CDT

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the "powers-that-be"

may not be as unified as your post implies.

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by: inclusive @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 21:29:40 PM CDT

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That's actually high attendance

There are always legislators absent (there are 400 House Reps).  Having "only" 25 not be present means that there were more Reps present than usual.  Everyone knew that the vote would be very close.

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by: brianrater @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 16:38:26 PM CDT

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That's interesting to know. Thanks.

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by: bruhrabbit3 @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 19:06:57 PM CDT

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Amazing. Had no idea that they would have 400 house members!

vanhattan

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by: vanhattan @ Thu May 21, 2009 at 00:37:15 AM CDT

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no amendment will satisfy hard-core bigots

if we ever needed proof that resistance to the marriage really isn't about freedom of religion but about hating gays, this is the latest from Massachusetts Family Institute

New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch and same-sex "marriage" supporters insist that proposed revisions to legislation that would make NH the sixth state to redefine marriage will not infringe on religious freedoms, but Alliance Defense Fund attorneys disagree with those claims. In a statement, ADF accuse both the governor and same-sex "marriage" supporters of using "smoke and mirrors ... to divert attention" from the very real consequences of same-sex "marriage" on religious freedom.

"Contrary to what marriage redefinition activists might argue, redefining marriage in New Hampshire would have serious consequences for the religious community beyond the limited protections the governor has proposed," said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Austin R. Nimocks. "The governor is right to recognize the threat to religious liberty, but he underestimates the threat by a long shot. Where are the protections for business owners with religious objections to recognizing same-sex 'marriages'?"

The NH Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday voted down a Republican amendment that would have further protected businesses and individuals who oppose same-sex "marriage," instead voting 3-2 to support the governor's thin attempt at religious protections. The full NH Senate voted 14-10 for the new language this morning.

   Sources: Alliance Defense Fund, Union Leader

there is no pleasing haters, so it still irks me that lynch pandered to them.

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by: Lurleen @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 18:38:09 PM CDT

Here's what will happen next:

This is from NH Rep Splaine, courtesy BlueHampshire

The Committee of Conference will be created next Wednesday when the State Senate agrees with the House on the motion.

THEN the CoC will be appointed -- three or four House members, and three or four Senate members.  They will be members appointed by the House Speaker and Senate President.  It will have members dedicated to finding a solution.  The task of a CoC IS to find a way to get both bodies -- the House and Senate -- to say "yes."  

The House and Senate next meet together in two weeks, on Wednesday, June 3rd.  The CoC will report back then, possibly with some new language in the bill.  

Between now and then, our job -- your job -- for this to succeed will be to take a careful look at those who have not yet supported us, and ask them to do so.  Since last Thursday, when Governor John Lynch announced his support for marriage equality and House Bill 436, and offered his requested new language for HB 73, we have only had four days to communicate it.  NOW we have 14 days.  We can win this when more House members hear about why they should support the Governor's language.

 there's more to his post of interest to NH voters.

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by: Lurleen @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 19:11:50 PM CDT

This comment,...from another report on the story.

My friends in Concord NH, who have been active  for many decades, knows the landscape and said clearly that Lynch contrived this
bait and switch with fellow fauxDems in the legislature where he served.

Lynch found a way to punt it back, knowing that the conservaDems and their homophobic GOP, could have another bite at the apple and defeat or emasculate it.

It puts Lynch out of the line of fire for dumbasses and the woosy gentrified HRC and Marty Rouse types. Don't get me started on Marty Rouse and his MassEquality and HRC his new home. Without GLAD and KnowThyNeighbor...and Tom Lang...we would not have CM in MA.

I have been in the fight for years, and can smell betrayal with an olfactory ability that defies empirical evaluation. LOL

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 19:35:29 PM CDT

I don't know the situation in NH,

but I do know something about how things happened in MA, having been in the tick of it there.  And so I would just like to counter this anonymous accusation against MassEquality that you posted: to think our success in MA could have been possible without MassEquality is utterly laughable.  That post smells of personal grudge.  Sad.  

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by: Lurleen @ Wed May 20, 2009 at 21:35:11 PM CDT

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