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Gibbs humiliated AGAIN when questioned about DADT at today's presser

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu May 21, 2009 at 17:30:00 PM EDT


(The link to the Press Briefing page is here; the transcript. I've added the video.)

Now this is what I'm talking about. I received today's transcript from the White House Press Briefing and Robert Gibbs might as well be standing up there in his underwear -- he's that exposed. More than that his skivvies are on fired as he is getting torched on almost a daily bases now as the questions about the ludicrous policy known as Don't Ask, Don't Tell are blasting him like a flamethrower.

Today's performance was absolutely humiliating, as a reporter (I don't know who yet it was Air America National Correspondent Ana Marie Cox), asked Gibbs why if Harry Truman could desegregate the armed forces without a law by Congress, what the hell is this President's problem with eliminating discharges under DADT.

Q    So you had said that the President is working with the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff on "don't ask, don't tell," but earlier this week the Pentagon said that the conversations were "initial" and that there is "no sense of any immediate developments in the offing on efforts to repeal 'don't ask, don't tell.'"  So I wanted to give you a chance to correct the Pentagon on that.

And I have two other questions.  What other policies are there --

MR. GIBBS:  If you ask like that you're going to get bumped up to, like, the first row.  (Laughter.)

Let me address the first question because, if I'm not mistaken, the Pentagon did correct that statement on efforts regarding the reform on "don't ask, don't tell."

Q    So there are active conversations happening now?

MR. GIBBS:  Yes.  Yes.

Q   Okay.  And then I wanted to know if there are any other policies that the President believes to be, as you said yesterday about "don't ask, don't tell," not in our national interest but is content to let Congress take the lead on?  And second, President Truman didn't see it necessary to clear desegregation through Congress, so how is this different?

MR. GIBBS:  Well, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but maybe I was -- maybe I used some poor language, but the President is involved in these discussions.  It was the President's commitment to overturn the policy that's not in our national interest that is the reason for these discussions and for the effort to overturn this.  So I think the notion somehow -- the reason Congress is involved is the only durable and lasting way with which to overturn the policy is to do it by law.  That's the --

Q    So when can we expect a durable policy on racial desegregation in the military, since that's never gone through Congress?

MR. GIBBS:  Well, I'm out of my depth as a lawyer.  And I'm not exactly sure the timing of when President Truman did that, but my sense is that there were also some legal proceedings around that.  Try as one may, a President can't simply whisk away standing law of the United States of America.  I think that's maybe been the undercurrent of some of the conversations we've had over the past few days on Guantanamo Bay.  

But if you're going to change the policy, if it is the law of the land, you have to do it through an act of Congress.

Q    And so there's pending legislation?  I didn't see any.

MR. GIBBS:  I don't know what's been introduced in Congress.

Oh snap. Gibbs just got pwned by that reporter.

You can read about the chronology of desegregation of the military at the Truman library web site. A snippet:

Immediately following July 14, 1948: While his staff is drafting an executive order that would end segregation in the armed forces, President Truman decides to include in the order the establishment of a presidential committee to implement the order.

July 26, 1948: President Truman signs Executive Order 9981, which states, "It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin." The order also establishes the President's Committee on Equality of Treatment and opportunity in the Armed Services.

July 26, 1948: Army staff officers state anonymously to the press that Executive Order 9981 does not specifically forbid segregation in the Army.

July 27, 1948: Army Chief of Staff General Omar N. Bradley states that desegregation will come to the Army only when it becomes a fact in the rest of American society.

July 29, 1948: President Truman states in a press conference that the intent of Executive Order 9981 is to end segregation in the armed forces.

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I hope
the press will continue pressing hard on these issues.

Something tells me that the "clarifications" in today's answer were not happening yesterday ... if indeed they are happening at all.


It's Anna Marie Cox (sp?) again ...
Here the video starting at 44:15: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Me...

[ Parent ]
I love Ana Marie Cox
and that firestarter look in her eyes.  She is one of our biggest advocates........go Ana Marie!

[ Parent ]
Ana Marie Cox
She was on Rachel Maddow show recently (she's a frequent guest), and said she is working on a story about DADT for Playboy Magazine. Yeah, I know, strange placement for an article on that topic, but it will be an interesting read I'm sure.  Here is Cox's blog: http://anamariecox.typepad.com/

[ Parent ]
Actually Hef's been quite pro-gay over the years
Ana Marie Cox is the tne new Queen of Snark.

[ Parent ]
As horrible--and infuriating--as it is
that the policy is still in place, I've got to admit that watching Gibbs get roasted day after day is highly entertaining.  It's a real pity that Obama himself isn't getting the same treatment from the press.  Schadenfreude isn't much, but it's something.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


Press Secretary.
Worst. Job. Ever.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

Every time I see this guy...

I think he's a holdover from the Shrub administration.

[ Parent ]
He is.
And so is the Obama administration as a whole. For LGBT people there are three big questions.

1. Advancing the fight for equality for ourselves and other minority groups. It's been opposed by Clinton, Bush and Obama to pander to bigots at election time.

2. Ending the genocidal oil wars in South Asia and the US sponsored policies of apartheid and ethnic cleansing against Palestinians. They endanger us all.

3. Ending the looting by the rich sponsored by Clinton, Bush and Obama in equal measure which is rapidly destroying our standard of living.

On these key issues there are few significant differences between Clinton, Bush and Obama. They've all driven the bus. All the electioneering hype describing Obama as a 'progressive' alternative to the 'fascist' threat posed by McCain was a lie. McCain and most Republicans are honest about being bigots; Obama lied about it.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


[ Parent ]
Robert Gibbs is a weasely fellow
Much like Scott McClellen. Obama hasn't served himself well by making him the Press Secretary.

"What if we threw in a free sundae?"
Gibbs is like the guy in the TV commercial trying to convince someone that cardboard cut in the shape of steak & salad is food. "What if we threw in a free [cardboard] sundae?"

His continuing to show up unprepared with better answers to questions that caused him to crash and burn before, his Orwellian Speak, refusing a temporary solution because it is not permanent [would anyone let him get away with saying to someone dying of thirst, "I won't give you any water because it's not milk"?] may seem nonsensical but the reason is now as obvious as the egg on his face.

DO NOT BLAME GIBBS. The fish rots from the top down.

He doesn't even know about the House DADT repeal bill, he repeats the dodge about a "permanent" solution when Congress empowers ANY President under 10 United States Code ยง12305 to stop ANY discharges in the interest of national security, he steps on his snake's dick over what has and what has not been started not because of his incompetence but because of Barack's new found indifference.....BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT HAS ABANDONED EVEN STARTING THE DADT REPEAL PROCESS BECAUSE OF MILITARY BRASS BUTTONED BIGOTS.

On issues THAT ACTUALLY MATTER TO HIM, Obama gave a far different answer in the April 2008 Philadelphia debate:

"CHARLIE GIBSON:  [Regarding withdrawal from Iraq] no matter what the military commanders said, you would give the order to bring them home?

OBAMA: Because THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF SETS THE MISSION, Charlie. THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE GENERALS. The PRESIDENT SETS THE MISSION. The general and our troops CARRY OUT THAT MISSION. Ultimately, the buck stops WITH ME as the commander-in-chief."

HOW is that no longer true? During what night while we were sleeping was there a military coup which overthrew democracy and deposed Barack Obama as Commander-in-Chief, reducing him to a younger, thinner, darker male version of Queen Elizabeth with only a ceremonial role, armed only with white gloves and a handbag?

President Truman did not just go against the rabidly racist opposition of his generals, the public, and Congress and racially integrate the military, when Gen. MacArthur, the best known, most popular general of his time, and commander of our forces in Korea, refused to obey him, TRUMAN FIRED HIM...IN THE MIDDLE OF THE KOREAN WAR!  

By contrast in the ultimate betrayal that stuns the imagination, indefensible morally or legally, Obama has not just done NOTHING in any way to keep his promise to immediately fight for repeal, to even begin that process in the most rudimentary way, not even cared enough to prep his official spokesperson with a respectful, informed EXCUSE, but has declared that HIS administration will take up where Bush left off and will DEFEND DADT in court. That gay men and women will NOW be discharged in the name of, by DIRECT ACTION OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

After two years of campaigning as the champion for gays, after four months as the most powerful man in the world, whatever great things he has done or attempted in other areas; whatever great things he will do or attempt; he has smeared his own honor and integrity on the canvas of History, and convicted himself of the moral cowardice he defined himself in 2007:

"rather than embracing leadership and principle, we bowed to fear and prejudice."


[ Parent ]
unfortunately, there was no elaine donnelly back in truman's time
but maybe it's not to late for her to pick up the cause.  allowing blacks in the military will hurt unit cohesion, elaine!  it is not the place for social experimentation!!  soldiers will leave in droves!  our national security will be at risk!  

so the president can use truman as precedent and end this disgraceful, shameful, and outdated policy--saving us millions in taxpayer spending and allowing the united states to finally join with the ranks of countries (like uruguay) that are less immersed in superstition and spite.  seems like an f-ing no-brainer to me.  his answer?  leave it to congress, when congress has no pending interest in it, and while qualified servicemembers are being sacked.  

So when can we expect a durable policy on racial desegregation in the military, since that's never gone through Congress?

man, that is one brilliant question.  obama, on the other hand (and gibbs, by default--but i think he's at a loss on this one, too), is looking more foolish by the day.  this is his problem to take care of, and one of the easiest ones for him to deal with.  the man i voted for wasn't supposed to backpedal and shuffle around on such nonsense.    

The gays stole my lunch money


we're number one!!
does it just fill obama with pride, knowing that we join the likes of saudi arabia, iran, and north korea with this policy?  and that while he has the power to end it, he won't?  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

The gays stole my lunch money


Ana Marie Cox
The reporter who PWNED Gibbs was the fabulous Ana Marie Cox ( http://twitter.com/anamariecox ), a frequent guest on The Rachel Maddow Show and all-around journalistic badass.

There's video, too:
http://bit.ly/lHBPy


one question
Was there a law at the time equivalent to DADT that segregated the armed forces.
That's an important distinction between the two situations.  If Truman didn't have a DADT-type law to deal with, then of course an executive order would do the trick.  If he DID have a DADT-type law, then I don't see what's stopping Obama, other than the fear that he'll executively order DADT stopped, and the next president will order it back in place.


Doesn't apply, Zany
There was no law barring military racial integration in 1948 but that's irrelevant for several reasons. 1. because Obama promised to work to repeal the law of DADT and hasn't. 2. the law, United States Code ยง12305, trumps DADT, allowing Obama to stop discharges any time he WANTS. 3. If leaders refused to do anything because that action might be reversed by someone in the future, nothing would ever change.

He is refusing to do ANYTHING, and there's no excuse, legal or moral, for that cowardly inaction.


[ Parent ]
I hate to disagree
With someone I am on the same side of, but I would like to speak to your points.

1. because Obama promised to work to repeal the law of DADT and hasn't.

We don't know that.  We do know he gave directives to the Pentagon to come up with something.  You can consider that a "duck" but that isn't nothing.  He has also requested that Congress overturn the law which is the only solution to the problem long term.  I think we underestimate the work he does day in and day out.  I don't think he has time to sit down with every issue and map out all the specifics.  He has to have others do that.  It he could snap his fingers and get something done, the Hate Crimes bill would not currently be stuck in the Senate's mud pit of dysfunction.

2. the law, United States Code ยง12305, trumps DADT, allowing Obama to stop discharges any time he WANTS.

But this might not be enforceable after the pull-out from Iraq.  He can't hide behind this statute for the length of his Presidency if he holds true to his other promises of getting us out of the mess in the Middle East.  Plus there is a very dangerous issue here.  If he suspends the rules and a lot of military personnel come out, he may be required to dismiss them en masse once the reserve requirements are suspended.  That would be a nasty situation and would mean that most military personnel would probably have to stay in the closest just because of this fear.

3. If leaders refused to do anything because that action might be reversed by someone in the future, nothing would ever change.

I remember hearing this argument over and over again with Bush's directives, statutes, or whatever it was he made up to counter laws or rules that went contrary to what he wanted.  I didn't like it then and I won't be hypocritical about it now--when the outcome would be in our favor.


[ Parent ]
Pam-Who is the 24th author of the Dallas Principles?
I notice that the site has 23 people listed in the author section, but it says 24 people wrote it.  I was wondering who isn't listed or if the number 24 was a typo?  You are certainly in good company on this list.  I commented on an article on Huff Post about this group and how wonderful it was that you were listed and that you were a part of it.


The trollish sounding blogger formerly known as BURNSEY

Keep the questions coming,
  President Obama can't keep hiding from us.  These questions need honest answers and we deserve honest answers.  Sooner or later he will have to give up trying to duck and hide.  Gibbs is already tripping over his own words.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

I do say
it's going to take a lot for many of us older folks to get on board with "The Dallas Principles". I've seen this over and over. . .infighting over action or social events.

Many of us are just worn out . .worn out like a wet rag doll that has been stomped on in a mud puddle, ran over by an SUV driven by a soccer mom, and left to dry out in the summer freeway.

Many of us layed down in the streets in protest for action, education and research on AIDS at a time when the freaking President thought that perhaps the idea of internment camps for "known homosexuals" might be a good alternative.

A coctail/fundraiser get's some lip service, and perhaps coctails at the white house with "the staff" are enough for some . . .actions speak louder than words.

SILENCE=DEATH


Thanks for the crickets
it just reinforces my thoughts. . .I hand my activism over to another generation and hope for better.

[ Parent ]
This older gay has to wonder:
what kind of response were you expecting?  Speaking as (I presume) a member of your generation, I have to say that your initial comment left me agape with apathy.  What do you want to hear?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
I'm
just exhausted.

I, quite frankly don't know what I want to hear.

I sit here dealing with old people issues . .a 20+year partner with parkinsons, a 90 year old mother with alzheimers and fighting over issues like social security benefits.

I don't know what I want to hear, but there are times when a person Needs to hear something . . .anything. . .I don't expect anything.


[ Parent ]
Gibbs = WH press corps' bitch; US Military disses more than Queers
Gibbs is an absolute disgrace to the nation, the biggest joke to walk the halls of 1600 Penn Ave NW since Shrub himself.  Best to vote him out of the Obama tribe now... people might forget in another 3 years.

As for the ruckus against DADT, please remember that its reversal would offer the privileges of military service only to able-bodied Queers.  There are literally hundreds of thousands of military-staffed positions domestically and abroad which are off-limits to those excluded from military service for the reason of physical ability/capacity, though these positions require specific skills, not the fitness for warfare.


In the military's defense on physical ability
1)  A lot of those billets disappeared in the mid-late 80s and became civilian staff billets.

2)  Those that remain serve a purpose.  They allow for rotation from stressful deployable billets to less stressful non-deployable billets.  Even the gungiest military members need time when they're not on edge.  The deployment schedule to our current wars is bad enough.  Take away the positions where military personnel don't have the opportunity to rotate to non-combat positions and we'll be able to watch the PTSD cases soar.

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
Oh, you found out... It was ANA MARIE COX...she will be on RM

in the next segment ...e.g. the 6:30 mark.

She is the one who asked yesterday too.

And she will be on NATIONAL TV again tonight! 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


OH HO! Ana Marie's new gig...is

Contributing editor to Playboy...re this topic.

Rachel, as a historian, agrees with her that there was no legal framework for desegregation...as you have above. It was by Executive Order only.

ANA MARE says:  "The problem lies in how they are explaining their strategy.She feels the administration. is waiting for a military commission to support an Executive Order. 

Although, acknowledging, a bit more complextiy since DADT is a law,and segregation was only a 'policy'.  There are ways to hold implementation or suspend the law, that he can do without any congressional input.

  



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
COX ROCKS.
Ah, she gives me wind in my sails.

http://EQFL.org

She is the best
She asks the best follow-up questions. Too often the WH press corp let the press secretary give a double-speak snow-job answer. She surgically extricated each and every one of his contradictions and threw them back in his face. It was delicious.

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