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Writing FCC Complaints About Arnie States' Shoe Throwing Comment On KRXQ & KDOT

by: Autumn Sandeen

Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 19:30:00 PM EDT



Update: It's now up to eight, the number of businesses that have dropped advertizing on KRXQ. Details from GLAAD and The Advocate below the fold.

Update 2: Add AT&T and McDonnalds To The List -- details below the fold.

Full list of advertisers no longer advertising on KRXW:

• Chipotle
• Snapple
• Sonic
• Bank of America
• Verizon
• Carl's Jr (CKE Restaurants)
• Wells Fargo
• Nissan North America
• AT&T
• McDonalds

Update 3: Huffington Post writer Michael Rowe has new piece up entitled KRXQ Radio Hosts Have History of Obscenity Involving Children, Says FCC Report. (Note from Autumn: Just fixed the link to the Huff Post story -- the link now directs you to the correct story. Sorry for the incorrect link that was up before!) It's a "must read" piece for those following this story.

Btw, do you blenders know that we broke the original story here at The Blend with our piece On Transitioning Transgender Youth II - The Other Side Of The Coin? We were the first media outlet of any sort with a story up about the Rob, Arnie, and Dawn In The Morning's  May 28th segment on TransYouth. I'm pretty proud of that.


Mila Pavlin has been FCC licensing courses under her belt, and she helped me understand a bit of the rules. So a wonderfully warm "h/t" and "thank you" to Mila for her help, but I get the blame for putting this piece together and recommending this course of action. :P
~~Autumn~~


Bayard RustinWhen discussing civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people, I'm more than occasionally found referencing Bayard Rustin's take on what "our job" is as LGBT people and civil rights activists -- what that job entails:

"[T]he job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us. Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment."

--Bayard Rustin, From Montgomery to Stonewall (1986)

I've modified Rustin's highlighted words in my own mind. What I believe Bayard Rustin would say now is something more to the effect of:

That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest anti-gay and anti-transgender sentiment.

FCC Obscene, Indecent, and Profane RegulationsSo, when Rob Williams and Arnie States, in the May 28th broadcast on transyouth, stated over the public airwaves of both Sacramento's KRXQ and Reno's KDOT (four excerpts from the broadcast in the clip)...

• "And, it's more of the political correct bull crap -- that you don't want to tell a kid he's a freak 'cause it might hurt his feelings. If my son -- God forbid -- if my son put on a pair of high heels, I would probably hit him with one of my shoes. I would throw a shoe at him because y'know what? Boys don't wear high heels."

• "...And, that's what happened in your example is that [the parents] didn't throw the shoe at [the children] when they had the opportunity."

• "The point is you don't allow the behavior -- you cure the cause."

• (citing supposed history of transgender people): "They told them snap out of it or you'll put a spear through your head -- and guess what did? They snapped out of it. Or, they joined the army. "

...the two shock jocks expressed anti-transgender sentiment that we need to control, much in the same way society controls racist, sexist, and anti-gay sentiments.

And, we need to do this not by stopping people from engaging in free speech, but in showing that free speech doesn't mean that one gets a free pass on everything one says -- one can, and one sometimes should, experience consequences from free speech.

Free speech means the government doesn't engage in censorship -- especially prior censorship -- but it means too that one may experience the economic or legal consequences for one's free speech. As the pulling out of advertisers from KRXQ because of the broadcast, speech can, and should, have consequences in broader society.

And by the way, Arnie and Rob (if you're reading this), I spent 20 years in the U.S. Navy, and it didn't cure me of being transgender. Joining the U.S. Army wouldn't have been effective either, I can tell you without self doubt at all.

I personally believe Rob Williams and Arnie States may have violated FCC regulations regarding speech on the May 28th broadcast of the Rob, Arnie, and Dawn In The Morning™ show -- the first segment on transgender youth. Per the FCC:

Programming Inciting "Imminent Lawless Action." The Supreme Court has held that the government may curtail speech if it is both: (1) intended to incite or produce "imminent lawless action;" and (2) likely to "incite or produce such action."

And under licensing rules, the broadcast wasn't in the "public interest":

ยง 73.24 Broadcast facilities; showing required. (j) That the public interest, convenience, and necessity will be served through the operation under the proposed assignment.

This said, SEC. 326. [47 U.S.C. 326] Censorship; Indecent Language states

Nothing in [47 U.S.C. 326] shall be understood or construed to give the Commission the power of censorship over the radio communications or signals transmitted by any radio station, and no regulation or condition shall be promulgated or fixed by the Commission which shall interfere with the right of free speech by means of radio communication.

But again, the right to free speech isn't absolute:

"Programming Inciting "Imminent Lawless Action."  The Supreme Court has held that the government may curtail speech if it is both: (1) intended to incite or produce "imminent lawless action;" and (2) likely to "incite or produce such action."

And, one of the ways the FCC defines what's profane:

..."including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance."

Transgirl Diaries - Rob, Arnie, And Dawn In The Morning show hosts Rob Williams and Arnie States shown adding fuel to the fire of a Transgender Hate Machine. By Evelyn P.So, I believe we're in a gray area. Although the speech wasn't laced with profanity, I honestly believe it was deeply profane; although I believe Rob and Arnie were advocating violence against transyouth, I'm not sure whether or not it would meet the FCC's requirement that this constitutes an imminent threat. However, forwarding complaints to the FCC would give the FCC the opportunity to decide if the speech was an incitement to violence.

The hosts of the radio show -- Rob Williams and Arnie States -- aren't apologizing; however, for their statements against transyouth. This leads me to believe they were inciting violence against transyouth, and are not apologetic about their violent language. These two keep throwing fuel on the fire, so I believe we must use all the tools we have to send Bayard Rustin's message about anti-gay (and anti-transgender) sentiment to these and all other broadcasters.

So since I believe that their broadcast on Friday, May 28th was least as potentially damaging to real transgender  children -- children who in California are members of the protected class (under the legal definition of gender used in the California Civil Codes) -- as the religious right community believes obscene, indecent, or profane programming is potentially damaging to all children, I know I personally needed to file two complaints with the FCC.

So just as many of us first began writing advertisers to stop advertising on KRXQ because of the May 28th broadcast -- now a second response by our community to the May 28 broadcast by many of us will no doubt be complaints to the FCC. The complaints would be regarding how the May 28th broadcast incited violence against children because of gender -- specifically against gender variant children who's gender expression doesn't match their birth genitalia.

Below the fold, I walk you through the process of filing complaints with the FCC online.

Autumn Sandeen :: Writing FCC Complaints About Arnie States' Shoe Throwing Comment On KRXQ & KDOT
To access the FCC complaint system, start here.


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Link To FCC Webpage


Select for Next FCC
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Directions For
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FCC Complaint Screen One - Leads to online version of FCC Form 475B




Webpage.


Select: Broadcast (TV and Radio), Cable, and Satellite Issues checkbox

 


Select: Next


FCC Complaint Screen Two - Leads to online version of FCC Form 475B




Webpage.


Select: Broadcast programs showing obscene, profane, and/or indecent material

 

Select: Next


FCC Complaint Screen Three - Leads to online version of FCC Form 475B




Webpage.

 

Select: ONLINE FORM – Recommended Method


Online version of FCC Form 475B



Webpage.

 


Fill in the following mandatory information in the appropriate boxes:

First Name: Your First Name

Last Name: Your Last Name

Post Office Box / Street Address: Fill in only one of the two boxes. Fill  with either the PO Box or the Street number and street name where you receive your mail.

City: Your City

State: Your State from a drop down list.

Zip Code: 5-digit Zip Code

This is where we get into the specifics of this incident. Fill in the exact information provided:

(1) Date of Program (use MM/DD/YYYY format): 05/28/2009

(2) Time of Program (use HH:MM AM/PM format): 07:00 AM

(3) Network: Entercom Communications Corporation

(4) Call Sign, Channel OR Frequency of the station on which you viewed/heard the material: KRXQ

(5) City and State Where Program Was Viewed/Heard: Sacramento, California

(6) Name of Program or DJ/Personality/Song/Film: Rob, Arnie, And Dawn In The Mo

And then, this is how I filled out in the box where you are to outline one's complaint. If you too are going to file a complaint, I would just cut and paste what I wrote below into the complaint box, as it covers the key points that Mila said I would need to include in a complaint:

On the Rob, Arnie, and Dawn In The Morning radio broadcast of May 28, 2009, the male hosts of the program (Rob Williams and Arnie States) stated the following regarding transgender children under the age of 18 years old:

"And, it's more of the political correct bull crap -- that you don't want to tell a kid he's a freak 'cause it might hurt his feelings. If my son -- God forbid -- if my son put on a pair of high heels, I would probably hit him with one of my shoes. I would throw a shoe at him because y'know what? Boys don't wear high heels."

"...And, that's what happened in your example is that [the parents] didn't throw the shoe at [the children] when they had the opportunity."

"The point is you don't allow the behavior -- you cure the cause."

"They told them snap out of it or you'll put a spear through your head."

The May 28th broadcast incited violence against children because of gender -- specifically against gender variant children who's gender expression does not match their birth genitalia. Gender is a protected class under multiple California codes as the definition for gender used for these codes includes transgender status.

Throwing shoes at children in California (the broadcast originated from Sacramento, California) would constitute child abuse.

For context, the audio for the broadcast in question is here: http://tinyurl.com/qdukhz. The content of the broadcast segment is filled with name-calling and epithets directed at transgender youth well under the age of 18.

If you want to change my write up, my feelings definitely won't be hurt at all.

Then, this form needs to be filled out a second time, exactly as it was the first time, with these two changes:

(4) Call Sign, Channel OR Frequency of the station on which you viewed/heard the material: KDOT

(5) City and State Where Program Was Viewed/Heard: Reno, Nevada

Two different complaints for two different cities - it doubles the possible fines for their program.

~~~~~
The political cartoon is by Evelyn P. of Transgirl Diaries, and is entitled "Hate Machine." Used by permission.



Update: The news of the other companies dropping advertizing from KRXQ...

From The Advocate:

Eight companies have pulled advertising from a Sacramento, Calif., radio station after the hosts of a morning talk show encouraged violence against transgender kids.

So far, Bank of America, Verizon, Carl's Jr., Snapple, Chipotle, and Sonic have all pulled their advertisements from KRXQ, according to the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. Wells Fargo bank said that it did not advertise with the station during the March 28 broadcast, but will not commit to any more purchases. Nissan also said that they will not renew their contract with the station, which ended June 1.

Rob Williams and Arnie States, two of the hosts of Rob, Arnie & Dawn in the Morning, were discussing the parents of a boy in Omaha who wants to transition from male to female. Rob called the boy "a weird person who is demanding attention." He suggested that his mother tell the boy that wearing a dress is "not what we're doing in this culture." He also called transgender people "freaks," asserting that therapy could steer them away from being transgender, since "they were [probably] molested" as children.

Andy Marra posted the latest on the KRXQ advertisers glaadBLOG up, entitled UPDATE: Nissan Won't Renew KRXQ Advertising Contract:

On May 28, KRXQ radio hosts Rob Williams and Arnie States spent more than 30 minutes making dehumanizing and defamatory comments against transgender children. You can listen to the original broadcast here since it appears the audio is no longer available on radio show's website.

Seven companies have confirmed they pulled their advertising contracts with KRXQ or will not renew in the future as a result of offensive comments made by the two shock jocks. Another company has decided to step forward and release a statement on the incident.

At 5:10pm, I received a phone call from Nissan North America. I spoke with the Director of Corporate Communications who wanted to provide GLAAD with the following statement on their advertising with KRXQ.
Nissan North America's statement reads:

Nissan does not support the views expressed during the May 28th broadcast on the Rob, Arnie and Dawn in the Morning show on KRXQ.

Our advertising purchase with this show ended June 1 and we will not renew it.

Update 2: AT&T and McDonalds are now 9 & 10 to pull their advertising:

From the glaadBLOG

At 7:29pm EST, we received yet another statement to distribute.

This time it came from AT&T.

AT&T wrote:

The matter was brought to our attention and we have pulled our advertising from the station.

And again from glaadBLOG:

GLAAD just posted a recap of its activity relating to KRXQ and its offensive comments against transgender children. The summary also included a statement from AT&T announcing their decision to pull its advertising from the radio station. You can find all of that plus recent media coverage here.

Minutes after posting our recap, I received an email from McDonald's at 9:17pm EST. Soon after I spoke with a member of the McDonald's Public Relations team who wanted us to post and distribute their statement.

McDonald's wrote:

McDonald's has a proud legacy of diversity and inclusion. The views expressed by the hosts are not consistent with our core values.

As such, we are in the process of withdrawing advertising from KRXQ until further notice.

McDonald's USA LLC, Pacific Sierra Region

The global fast food chain now becomes the tenth company to either retract or to not renew its advertising contract with KRXQ.

~~~~~
Related:
* Snapple, Sonic & Chipotle Pull Advertising From KRXQ
* Nonviolence In Response To The Rob, Arnie, & Dawn In The Morning Tirades On TransYouth
* GLAAD Action Alert On Rob, Arnie & Dawn in the Morning Radio Show TransYouth "Tirade"
* On Transitioning Transgender Youth II - The Other Side Of The Coin
* On Transitioning Transgender Youth

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"Freedom of Speech" is a Myth!
Speech acts are NEVER free. They're very expensive and highly restricted.

Anyone attacking minorities gets a platform and a free pass.

Actual minorities have to fight tooth and nail to get heard at all in almost any context. The internet is becoming a great playing-fielf-leveellr but we need MUCH more than that.

Just consider the fact that Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz can come on TV anytime they want to and LIE, without anyone saying "Boo" to them about it. "Shock Jocks" are considered "colorful" as is American's most important self-loathing closet queen and drug addict Rush Limbaugh.

We must fight back against our enemies every way we can think of -- and then think of some more.  


I can't thank you enough for this!

I filled this out Monday and did a rather clumsy job. Will try again.

Thank you for your sober and informative post. Not many things get me this worked up but this issue left me utterly enraged.

Glad to hear even more sponsors have pulled out. Great to see good coming from such heinous hate speech.


thanks Autumn
It's been years since I filed one of these, and it needs specific information

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


The story of KRXQ on google started growing
for 2 days it was 18 stories, then yesterday it jumped to 33, early today it jumped to 45, now it jumped to 105

   http://news.google.com/news/mo...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Done!


The American people, taking one with another, are the most timorous, sniveling, poltroonish, ignominious mob of serfs and goose-steppers ever gathered under one flag in Christendom since the end of the Middle Ages.
-H.L. Mencken


LA Times picked up the story
   http://www.latimes.com/news/na...

Companies pull advertising after Calif. radio hosts refer to transgender people as 'freaks'
JUDY LIN, Associated Press Writer
5:31 PM PDT, June 5, 2009  

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


The list grows
You should very shortly be adding AT&T to the growing list of advertisers who dumped KRXQ today.

AT & T dropped their ads,,,,,,,nine but who's counting.....LOL
   http://glaadblog.org/2009/06/0...

AT&T

"The matter was brought to our attention and we have pulled our advertising from the station"

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


and McDonald's makes 10.


sorry ggw59 didn't see your post on McDonalds


What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Sacramento Press had a coment that the guitar center dropped their ads yesterday
   http://sacramentopress.com/hea...

McDonalds dropped their ads
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

I'm thinking midnight run for a meal #4
double quarter pounder with cheese.....mmmmmmmm

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Your wasting your time with the FCC ....
You good folks do what you wish, but sending a complaint to the FCC is not going to bring the instant gratification you're looking for.

The radio ad wallet is where you want to put your efforts (as is being seen) and publicity regarding what happened.

But then, what do I know, I've only worked in the broadcasting industry .. sigh.

I can only advise.

I pick my fights and this isn't one of them.

I wish you luck.

Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. - Edward R Murrow




I'm not looking for instant gratification.

These kind of cases could wind through the FCC system for years, if the FCC takes up the issue at all. Sometimes it is about awareness though, and giving community a way to respond for both the short and long haul, and giving our representatives a different way of looking at protecting children. Protecting LGBT youth is significant.

Also, showing broadcasters exactly how seriously we take anti-gay and anti-transgender sentiment directed at our community's children is never a waste of time.

So don't pick this fight then. But please don't assume I'm looking for instant gratification, and please don't begrudge those of us who do pick this fight.  

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


[ Parent ]
I'm patient too
Cuz even if/when they dump this team of hate jocks, they are going to shop for a new pair next week, and let a few huge FCC fines pending temper who they pick.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
But how much time is that, exactly?
Not all that much, I think.

Anyway, I'm not really up on the workings of the FCC, but the one thing that sticks in my mind from the time that Michael Powell (son of Colin) was on the Commission - someone would always say that they don't initiate investigations; they respond to citizen complaints.

I say, drop a dime on these types of miscreants whenever it suits you.


[ Parent ]
There has been talk about local fights against hate radio
I would love to see a community standard that attacking or spewing abuse at CHILDREN.....any children, will NOT be tollerated.......PERIOD.
Adults can fend with grown up coping skills, children don't have....it's like picking on someonme who's disabled.
It doesn't make you cool or edgy,  it makes you a cowardly a$$hole.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Another good job Autumn!


>^..^<

Autumn the mother of the trans daughter Rob and Arnie demeaned made a touching post
JSomaha
"Well, I'm the mom and the beautiful little girl who was RAD's intial target....I must say that I posted a comment the that night Michael Rowe wrote his article to thank him to responding on behalf of our daughter (and all the others like her), but we owe a BIG thanks to all of you for staying the course!

The support is surreal and renews our faith in our decision to educate about our daughter's transition in middle America.

She doesn't know about all of this, but we're keeping a record of all of this for her. So, thanks again for being a part of making this world safer for her and all the other wonderful, insightful, articulate trans youth!"


What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


forgot link
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
New HuffPo article by Michael Rowe
He identifies previous sanctions FCC made about incestuous father son "humor" these clods did.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Oh no he's NOT petey...
...and now we have the LIZ too.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
The Important Part
In America, any citizen can be arrested and held without charge as an enemy combatant, because the executive branch says so.  Military tribunals exist where a human being can be sentenced to life or even death based upon evidence they never get to see.  The president has challenged the courts on the writ of habeas corpus, thus fighting for the right to make people disappear without a trace.  ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ) And lastly the president has suggested he have the right to preventively detain who have done nothing wrong because he feels they might someday possibly do something... ( http://www.salon.com/opinion/g... )

These issues represent the destruction of some fundamental core elements freedom learned and developed over centuries.  After we formulated their concepts, the act of denying ones right and dignity we easily identified through the denying of these core protections.  Today while we face continuing assault against our dignity, we no longer are just being denying these age old concepts.  These protections have been wiped away or severely damaged, and always under constant assault.

One thing that chilled me over the last eight years was Naomi Wolf's warning about all of the fascist pillars that were coming into place in our society.  There are still there...  before we had a bumbling idiot that only the deepest cool-aid drinkers still liked.  Now we have Joe Cool Suave who seems to have the rhythm down of offering a very inspiring good, with grave violations of freedom.
I've had more time to think about this.  I've gone back over the blockquotes used in the original call to action, reflected on this show, and the people who compose it.  I used the words hateful, ignorant and ugly to describe it.  I've said that it is the angriest I have ever been at this show, and one of the strongest emotional response of anger, and in particular it caused me to lose a great deal of respect for Rob Williams.  I stand by all of that but one thing: it wasn't hateful.  First the shoe.  Everyone has this image of savagely beating a child with a  shoe.  The image was something another commenter elsewhere in the blogsphere mentioned where an exasperated mother would throw a shoe at an misbehaving youngster.  Acceptable?  I think obviously not.  A savage beating?  Hateful? No.  

To explain why the rest isn't?  There have been two times, during riding the bus, I have seen two different mothers having their four to five year old sons on toddler leashes.  Both times the child was tugging on the leash, with a heartbreaking distraught look.  The mother chatting away with someone else, with the intermittent command to the child, as if it were a dog.  Not only a dog, but a poorly treated dog.  Think about how that would make you feel.  How about when a toddler in Arizona is left in the car in 120 degree weather, and the child dies.  With the explanation of "I Forgot" parents are not punished whatsoever because "They suffered enough." These guys have raged with undeniable passion and sorrow when innocent children are harmed, and when children are not given the leadership and full expression of love they need.  However all three are ignorant about the truths on transgender children and the actual results of what through their ignorance thing is nothing more than tough love.

So we have a passionate care for children, and a years long frustration and anger over the ever worsening care of our children.  Add a forum that is open and honest enough to reflect society and reflect real people, good and bad, with people who have enough respect and care for another to disagree and degrade into passionate yelling matches, yet walk away with a deep friendship.  Lastly toss in a huge helping of ignorance and mix well and we have the best recipe for an explosion I've ever seen.  Add our spark of the news article, and viola here we are.

These guys crossed the line, I know that.  I wouldn't be surprised if they know that.  It wouldn't be the first time that Arnie used a joke that couldn't possibly be considered funny and brought the show over the line concerning children.  A line that wasn't realized it was crossed until days later.  The last time the people the show offended were given the show's forum to speak on the issue and educate the show members and audience.  That time Rob offered the show's resignation freely.  The glaring difference between this time and that time is that time the offended group openly stated they didn't want the show to end, they just wanted the opportunity to educate everyone.

I love this show, and it is a part of my life.  It is a part of a lot of other people's lives too.  The feelings I have had remind me of times when I've faced the possibility of the loss of a family member.  Instead of coming to us and just asking for a chance to educate us, you all grabbed the torches and pitchforks and came to not only end the 20 year careers of the three, but to rip a valued member of our communities away.  (Was there ever a year they didn't win best radio show in both the Reno News & Review and Sacramento News and Review?)  You have openly said to us that you have the right to inflict pain upon us, that it is acceptable to use force unless we say what you want us to say exactly when you want us to say it.  Yes, more than ever I call you all out for being perpetrators of violence upon my family.  Further more even louder I tell you that you are all good people with a deep passion to end the violence, bloodshed, misery and tears on this world.  However, the anger we feel with that allows us to be blinded, and allows good people to be very very ugly.  Please I beg of you both as a member of the Rob Arnie and Dawn family and as a gay man, please turn away from this, don't continue to silence and destroy us.  Perhaps there is still a chance to educate and dispel ignorance from the studio of the Rob Arnie and Dawn show.  I sure know that if there is one thing that angers Rob Williams beyond anything: willful ignorance.  Comeon!!  There has to be a way to work with that!

Please do not allow yourselves to do this. Please do not allow yourselves to essentially proclaim a human being can destroy another human being's life because you are angry.  Otherwise I am certain more than anything else that you will one day all to soon be wondering why you have suddenly awoken in a world where you have no control over your destiny whatsoever.  


Destroy another human being's life?
i've pretty much let you run your course without seriously challenging you. But i've had enough of you.

You are not trans.

i am trans.

i grew up in the most bigoted, racist, abusive, violent-to-the-extreme trailer-park trash environment you could possibly imagine, much less experience. It's possible you may have come from a similiar experience. But my experience was not yours.

It has developed within me the belief that most people aren't capable, really capable, of understanding just how dangerous and powerful public attitudes and media words are on the ignorant. More so when the ignorant are prone to abusive behavior to begin with.

Some of my most well-behaved relatives, on a good day, would sound just like those DJs in public.

Rest assured that countless ignorant, intolerant parents were nodding their heads in agreement when that specific form of hate was broadcast, and were either encouraged to continue violence or start using it.

Don't even try to pull your 'but I'm bi or gay or whatever' card on me. Trans children can often stand out much more, which makes them taller nails that get pounded down that much harder.

My life was destroyed because of idiots like them. Trans children as we speak are having their lives further destroyed now because of those idiots.

Get over it. As much as you're trying to make it, it's not about them. Or you.

It's about every kid right at this moment going through the hell i went through.


Are you talking about what it is you know, or just repeating what it was you heard?

Grace Slick

www.anonymous-t-girl.blogspot.com


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You like them?
You pay for them.

We're just pointing out what these people said to their sponsors. Calling an 8 year old child a freak, and looking forward to when she grows up to be persecuted and possibly killed, as so many of us are.

Frankly, you are clueless. Really. It's called Cis Privilege.

It means that it would never occur to you that if someone included "one of your kind" in an exhibition on diversity, the exhibition would be banned.

It means that you'd never dream that anyone could shoot you twice in the head, then use the fact that you were "One of them" to win acquittal, and even praise for their actions.

It means you've never met someone like you who was nailed to a door as a punishment when they were 5.

It means you don't have the recent X-rays of your skull showing the damage caused by an attack with a crowbar at age 8.

And no, these are not hypotheticals, not even unusual. You are clueless, the figure that 50% of trans kids self-harm before age 20 means nothing to you. Just words.

But go ahead, you're entitled to your opinion. By all means write to the sponsors, trying to explain why they should continue to pay for these people to air their views.

First though, listen to the Broadcast again. Don't just read the transcript.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


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Well, I'm confused here. . .
. . .and to me, this isn't an issue about "free speech" but the use of the public airwaves and serving the public interest.

You know, it seems to me that one of the first remarks made by one of the shock jocks when they were on this topic was about how a child was screaming for attention - and yet isn't it the shock jocks themselves whose JOB is to scream constantly for attention? How exactly does scapegoating other citizens who have done nothing publicly wrong, who are not public figures, represent the use of the public airwaves to serve the public interest?

It is also interesting to note that on the RAD web site, there is a KIDFILTER page - http://www.robarnieanddawn.com...

Is that supposed to be another example of a joke? And if it isn't, how does the station effectively prevent those under 18 from listening to a MORNING program?

The on-air "personalities" of this program seem to assume that they apparently (and exclusively)understand what is funny, and that celebrating their ignorance is what makes their program popular...and that the freedom to broadcast that ignorance is merely an exercise of free speech, and no one should question it or use their own right of free speech to criticize them or the use of the airwaves to promote their ignorance. Well, if that is free speech, then the solution is to allow more free speech - especially the criticisms - and without filters employed by the perpetrators of the original offense.

One must wonder why this program, in which two of the personalities represent the minority group of heterosexual white males, features an already overrepresented viewpoint on the public airwaves. Is there some reason why, in the interest of free speech, the producers don't employ people of various groups these "personalities" like to target to run their own five hour program five days a week, spouting the same kind of demeaning rhetoric about people like Rob and Arnie? Why is it that we never get to hear anyone using the public airwaves with those opinions? Could it possibly be that the very people who scream about their right to "freedom of speech" to demean others on the public airwaves would be openly hostile to speech directed at themselves and thus, none of that speech can be allowed?

Frankly, I'm rather sick and tired of listening to the whining, disgusting anger of oppressive straight white males who wear their ignorance like a badge of courage on the public airwaves, and then are allowed to censor, edit, and regulate the speech of anyone else outside their opinion on those same airwaves. Why should the perpetrators of the offense also be in charge of MODERATING the response?

In case you haven't noticed, straight white men are a MINORITY whose opinions continue to be overrepresented in this country and which appear to be continually dependent upon demonizing, demeaning, and attacking the opinions - and in this case the very EXISTENCE - of other supposedly equal citizens. It is difficult for me to see how that serves the greater public interest.  


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I at least post my name
If these posts are indeed from Mr. Willams, well, sad.

James Peak


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thanks for sharing ROB
Btw...shouldn't you have trotted out you were the VOICE of 9/11 too?

Your sesperate plea, and throwing every thing but the kitchen sink into this rant,. means you are scared sh*tless your show is gonna get tossed.

Maybe this can be a teaching moment for you.
NOW maybe you'll get just a small taste of a kid's fear of being beaten EVERY DAY, and when he or she tries to explain to their parents they call them FREAK or abuse them, or throw them on the street at 13yo, when the only way to survive is to sell their bodies.

Go grapple with that lesson for awhile and we'll talk...much later.
When exactly did raping a woman with her head in a toilet you flush....become FUNNY?
When did Daddy making jokes about a son's penis become a laughfest?
When did a daughter dressed as a PINK TACO tickle you sick twisted minds?

There is nothing redeeming to save in this cruddy show.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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desperate.....typo


What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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My Name Is Christopher
As I explained before, I'm not Rob.  My name is Christopher, I was born in Reno and have lived my entire life here with the exception the my senior year with the grandfather I had mentioned elsewhere.  I'll be turning 28 come July 5th.  

My first instinct was to identify myself here by full name, first middle and last.  However I have no confidence that there won't be somebody who would track down and harm members of my family.  When I started writing all of these posts, I made the decision to pour my soul out, even if it meant I lose my job, my home, even my life. However, placing those risks on another person isn't something I could do so lightly.

Maybe this can be a teaching moment for you.
NOW maybe you'll get just a small taste of a kid's fear of being beaten EVERY DAY, and when he or she tries to explain to their parents they call them FREAK or abuse them, or throw them on the street at 13yo, when the only way to survive is to sell their bodies.

You openly tell me that it is acceptable that someone feel ANY AMOUNT of the pain and fear associated with the barbaric acts of torture mentioned elsewhere, for ANY reason...  I have asserted that there existed the ability and demonstration of hurting others with the same hurt levied against you, and you have admitted me to be correct in that matter.  I will mention to leaders what I have mentioned before, silence is acceptance, and therefore you accept the notion that it is okay for anyone, anywhere for any reason to feel what it feels like to go through the barbarism and torture you so rightfully want to stop for now and forever.

Now that I've said that, I'll remind you of what I have said elsewhere of Dawn's childhood.  She doesn't have a small taste of what it means to be a child afraid every day of their life she'll be beaten.  She's lived that life.  Out of that life she's made herself a beautiful person who has felt nothing but the greatest amount of love for transgender children.  You, a person who advocates that people feel such pain, have belittled and degraded her for it.

There is nothing redeeming to save in this cruddy show.

You invoked the image a child who faces fear each and every day of their lives, for who beatings are a constant part of their life and ends up selling their body on the street at 13 in order to survive.  I have heard similar stories before, from members of the RAD audience.  These members have told this show, and Dawn in particular, that they were THE influence that helped them get through it.  People in situations like you invoked have told this show, and Dawn in particular, that there were THE ONLY thing that got them through a day, day by day.

To this point, no one has acknowledged the fact that people in vulnerable situations are going to lose something in their life that helps them make it one more day.  As you have admitted you feel it is okay for another person to feel any percentage of these torturous experiences and won't acknowledge that this act is going to hurt vulnerable people, I have to come to the conclusion that when it comes straight down to it you don't care about the pain of non-LGBT individuals, even children.  From my perspective, you are only capable of seeing the pain of others through the prism of the pain you and your own have gone through.

I don't believe that is your intention.  I believe you are a good person who so far is unable to see that you have chosen to fight ugliness with ugliness.  The very core of my argument and why I am here is that the darkest times in history came when very passionate people fought for freedom with ugliness and the with ability to levy against others the same hurt inflicted against them.



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Tip:
Sometimes, less is more.

Please.


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Why am I reminded
of Margie Christoffersen, as I re-read this rant?

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The important part?
I believe that would be the children, don't you agree "Doc"? I read your posts and if you believe that this show has never advocated violence toward anyone, you are fooling yourself. From the, "I hate that bitch" to the "I'd like to hit that Whore with a brick in the face" to the "Fagot" jokes about blood to the "Pink Taco" reference about a 6 YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL, that Arnie made. Where have YOU been? You claim to of listened to this show for 10 years, but you seem to "conveniently forget" all the horrible or vicious things they have said against Blacks, Gays, Mentally Challenged, Women.....please, get a grip.

"Doc", this show has some good points and I thought after the last FCC complaint and then the SIDS incident they would settle down, but once again Rob and his friends have pushed to far, but THIS TIME, thousands are pushing back.

Mr. Williams consistently has lectured listeners about have "Personal Responsibility" yet when he himself was given the opportunity on last Wednesdays show to show us HIS responsibility, he failed miserably.

He deserves what HE HAS CREATED,as no one else has said these horrific words. Arnie States and Rob Williams, YOU have created this situation.  


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buh bye
I want to thank Michael Rowe without who this would of been much more diffucult to accomplish. Because of Mr. Rowes hard work we MAY be seeing an end to a very disturbing and hatefull show. I will continue to fight the Rob Arnie and Dawn show until Rob Williams turns off the studio light for the LAST time.

Gottabkidden....you gotabegoin. Buh Bye.....and to the thousands of people who called and emailed the show and its sponsers....don't ever let ANYONE tell you that your voice does not matter, BECAUSE IT DOES!!


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turn out the lights.......the partys over.
UPDATED JUNE 7TH, 2009, 11:50AM

TO OUR LOYAL ROB, ARNIE AND DAWN FOLLOWERS,

WE HAVE FAILED YOU. AS A SHOW, AS PEOPLE, AS BROADCASTERS, WE HAVE SIMPLY FAILED ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL.

WE PRESENTED OUR OPINIONS ON A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT IN A HATEFUL, CHILDISH AND CRUDE FASHION; AND THEN, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETRACT THOSE REMARKS, WE DEFENDED THEM.

SINCE THEN, YOU, OUR LOYAL LISTENERS, HAVE MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT WE WENT TOO FAR. THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING. NONE OF YOU SAID THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE OPINIONS, YET SO MANY OF YOU SAID THAT THE WAY WE GAVE THEM CROSSED THE LINE. FURTHER, YOU SAID THAT OUR ATTEMPT TO MASK OUR COMMENTS AS "JOKES THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY OUR AUDIENCE," WAS UNACCEPTABLE. I WOULD SAY NOW THAT IT WAS WORSE THAN THAT, IT WAS COWARDLY. YOU HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS AND ASKED FOR A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT; TO RESPOND, WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, TO THE EDUCATION THAT OUR AUDIENCE HAS PROVIDED US. THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN GRACIOUSLY GRANTED THIS THURSDAY MORNING, JUNE 11TH. AT 7:30 A.M.

THE WORD APOLOGY APPEARS NO WHERE IN THIS LETTER FOR A REASON. WE ALREADY HID FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING ONCE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN. APOLOGIZING IN A WRITTEN, POSTED STATEMENT IS A FORM OF COWARDICE. WE WILL SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID THIS THURSDAY.

ON A FINAL, PERSONAL NOTE, AS THE LEADER AND OWNER OF THE SHOW, I HAVE MADE THE DECISION THAT WE NEED TO REFRAIN FROM BROADCASTING NEW EPISODES UNTIL WE CAN ADDRESS THIS ON THURSDAY .  WE WILL RETURN TO THE AIR AT 7:30 A.M. JUNE 11TH.

ROB WILLIAMS
ROB, ARNIE AND DAWN


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On Facism
Not only do societies follow a almost scientific pattern, they have one particular thing in common.

The creation of a very passionate group of people, who through their vigilance to do what they think is right, acts as an

amplification on the loss of the ability to speak.  Not through direct order but the right incitement to protect even the most precious thing, leading angry people to crash through peoples lives and livelihoods utterly destroying everything in sight.  

Rob and Arnie are not hateful people.  They are arrogant and ignorant people.  A hateful person, if given the subject over again, would handle it the same way and angrier.  An ignorant person who at least is open to learning what he didn't know before can't be treated the same way.  He may still hold an opinon that you despise, but if acknowledged a mistake through ignorance and gives you the respectful opportunity to speak, then using the word hate would in itself be an act of deep and profound bigotry.

The people of pre-Nazi Germany had a great deal of problems, and the people used a perceived threat, the Jews, as a reason for their troubles.  Not real jews, but the caricatures jews.  The ugly face, hook nose, blood sucking jews.  Don't think that

those people didn't have the well being of their children in mind when they started to act the way they did.  Now I see that the LGBT community is ready to act the same way when they their own threatened, reacting against mostly real hate and prejudice, but like the people of Germany, they have no qualms about creating a caricature and then attacking real human being through that caricature.

Through writing these essays, or whatever you call them, I have felt deep and profound anger, frustration and sadness.  I

think that not letting those emotions control me is why the last one literally took all day.  I even chose not to mention that my cousin killed himself recently. It was a .22 to the head.  There was no suicide note, and as far as I know nothing was found on the computer. I has made me spend time contemplating how something very dear to us can be there one moment, and gone the next.  To feel those same emotions invoked in me again, and to come and try and express that to you and then see.

Well, see what?  Lets just cut to the quick, since many are still saying they advocated out and out about abuse.  Many act as

repeaters, creating this image in people's minds of savagely beating a kid with a shoe as if it where a switch.  Its admitted that isn't the case, and clarified that you should think of a shoe thrown across the room, something that apparently in some parts of Texas is something an exasperated parent might do an a disobedient youngster.  Its not acceptable, but its not what you
thought.  If you didn't go back to each and every place you acted as if that was the case and based your arguments, then you accept that dishonesty is an acceptable way to get what you want, and any such argument against any of your ideological enemies is mute.

Please, for the mother who took the time to stop by, I want to emphasize I took the time on how to express my point to you in the most respectful manner possible.  If one day I do have a child, and she is in the wrong body, I will do everything in my power to give her all of the self respect and strength possible, and if it her true nature, to be the best damn woman she can be.  However, that means that by the third grade I would wonder where I'm going wrong if my daughter's self worth is so damaged by words like freak, or weirdo. In the third grade I was called more vile things, I was chased across the playground and kicked repeatedly by three boys when I fell, just cuz I was a wimp.  Even when we come to a place where we can look upon these times and primitive and barbaric when it comes to transgender rights, there will always be someone who will hate your daughter, if not for who she is then for something she believes in.  If I had a transgender daughter, I honestly believe I would need to instill in her the ability from the earliest age possible to know words don't mean anything.  If you've ever known a parent who witnessed to having their hard heart softened when it was their child who was LGBT, then please don't believe me a complete idiot when I would tell you that both Rob and Arnie would never, could never feel anything close to that anger for their own child.  Nor
did they intend for any child to hear that, only adults who could argue and defend themselves.

Yet we still have a lot to do don't we?  More than a few times I reached for the word "homosexual" and declined to do so know that it angered people.  We still allow words to bother us, and therefore forever rob us of the ability to really end hate.  Ending hate is when a person quits thinking their hateful thoughts, not when they aren't allowed to say them.

In trying to warn of what I've learned about what goes wrong in society, what went wrong with Germany, no one at least acknowledges that, or at least says that perhaps that since "mama bear" mode lead us to such horrors before they will at least take a moment to step back.  You have sullied the spirit of the victims of paragraph 175.

If I where to explain to someone I never heard of it what Stonewall was because we couldn't even have a private place to ourselves.  Because at any time we our little home could be busted into, raided, us arrested and our pictures published and circulated.  Our bosses contacted so we could be fired.  You have sullied the spirit of Stonewall.

And I see a people who look to helping our future not through making them strong.  By making them deep soulful people who would face death itself to protect every human's right and ability to decide their own destiny.  Not by teaching them that instead of being able to face hell itself for what they believe but instead to immediately silence and destroy those who would call them a name like werido.  You have failed our future.

After what I have seen, the anger and ugliness out so many.  After spending years advocating human rights for all people on boards full of hateful people...  I see it here.  There is no way I could believe that there aren't some of you that if you had one of the young Phelps grandchildren spewing indoctrinated hate wouldn't at least feel the a deep rooted urge to punch them, or viciously lash out at them verbally.  That is why you refuse to even consider the difference between this show and actual hate like Phelps. Further more, as long as you to any degree feel any response of hate in kind, then you are part of the problem, your hands bloodied with liberty's blood just as equal.

Just like others before you when you feel you and your own threatened you have lined up in front of the storefront with your torches and pitchforks.  You demanded we say what you want when you want or else.  Now you've broken in the window front and proceed to ransack the joint.  You may be able to say its legal, but you are not able to say its right.  I've seen others act like this before, and its a form of violence.

In the end it boils down to you feel they may have incited others to act with their words.  I see the ability to destroy ones whole life by inciting others to actually act.  Where others did nothing but say something, you acted.  You duck from facing the people who attribute their life to this show, from facing your own warnings of suicide.  Where if parents where responsible, there shouldn't have been one child affected by these words, you decided to act and deny others the support structure out of their own suicide.  Your silence says to me you think it is okay, because you don't care about suicidal people if they aren't LGBT.  And yet I know you are good people, so if you are capable of inflicting violence against good people out of ignorance and hatred, then please step back from destroying them.  

With every moment you do, you are destroying yourselves.


I'm sorry, I don't agree at all.

They have a right to free speech, and so do those who now are acting to have Arnie States and Rob Williams do a better job at self editing. They decided not to apologise, but instead make a "free speech" stand that they have a right to say that they would direct phisical weapons (a spear and shoes) at children specifically for being transgender children.

GLAAD, TYFA, and I have not called these Shock Jocks epithets and other names in the same vein they they called us epithets and names. However, free speech doesn't mean that Rob Williams and Arnie States have the right to have consequence free free speech -- to say whatever they want to say without response by the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community, as well as the progressive community.

We learned from Harvey Milk that the way to control anti-gay (and control anti-transgender) sentiments is to hit businesses in the wallet. That's what we've been doing by focusing on advertisers and the FCC -- the consequences of Williams and States free speech has to this point been economic.

We are not destroying ourselves; we are empowering ourselves. When this is over, other shock jocks will self edit themselves more when it comes to attacking transgender -- or any other LGBT -- children.

Frankly, I agree with Bayard Rustin more than you. I don't care if people who hate me actually stop hating me because there are many who will never stop hating me. My job instead is to...

...to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest anti-gay and anti-transgender sentiment.

My peers and I don't want these two and others to lose their right to free speech, but instead bring to bear the concept that there is no such thing as consequence free free speech. The two crossed a line, and now they are paying the moral, and psychological, and economic cost for crossing that line -- and paying the moral, and psychological, and economic cost for not apologising for crossing that line when they had the public opportunity to do so, and then have my peer activists and I drop this as an issue.

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~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


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My thoughts exactly...
Thanks for stating so eloquently what Doc seams to be missing. I hope that Doc reads and seriously considers what you have written.

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Had they just attacked us
It would be no big deal.

But they attacked children.

We do have an emotional response to this, and you're right that we should not give in to anger and hatred.

Why do we have such a deep emotional response? Because we can do nothing for the children we were. I cannot go back in time, and stop the other kids from immobilising me, then spitting at and urinating on me for a couple of hours.

I can't rescue the girl I was, when they blocked the door of a shed I hid in, one containing fireworks, and dropped crackers down the ventilation shaft to try to burn me to death.

I can't stop the cigarettes stubbed out on me, or the time I was garotted on a bus till rescued by an adult long after I'd stopped breathing.

All before I entered high school.

This is what happens to trans children from a young age. It's not just being chased and beaten. That happens routinely. No big deal. It's being chased and beaten with a crowbar. It's being stoned with half-bricks, before your eighth birthday, with fractured ribs and broken arms.

The worst thing, the very worst thing, the thing that drives me to tears, is that I got off lightly compared to many.

I can do nothing for the little girl I was. But I swear I will do all I can to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Not to other children.

I'm a big girl now. I can fight my own battles. But when they attack the children, I'm not inclined to mercy, nor to demand less than unconditional surrender before I stop.

When someone says they've done a lot of research, then proceeds to say that Jews drink Christian Blood, or Blacks are born with tails, or trans kids are just attention-seekers who need some "tough love" to beat them into coming to their senses... then no, I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to say "I haven't read about it, but I think...", and another to claim that your views are based on extensive research.

Then follow up with the standard easily refuted trans libels that are still used to justify persecution, up to and including murder of children.

But of course that was mere hyperbole right? I mean, no influential person could possibly say such a thing except in jest, could they?

NARTH Scientific Advisory Committee member Joseph Berger said on a blog in reaction to a San Francisco Chronicle article on gender identity issues, "I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex - but not counselling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings.

"On the contrary, don't interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world.

"Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary."

Or get shot twice in the back of the head. That's happened, hasn't it?

Then they boast about how popular they are, how large their listenership is, how influential they are in their faux-apology. Which makes things worse. We could ignore a solitary nutcase saying this stuff to an audience of 12 at 3am. But that's not the case, is it?

In their faux-apology, they claim alternately that they were taken out of context, or only joking, or only using exaggeration and hyperbole to make a point, or even just saying that other people think this, not them.

None of which is supported by the tone used in the recorded broadcast. Again, listen to it in its entirety, not just excerpts, and not just the transcript.

You know... they could still recover. By making a true apology. By actually doing some research. It's not hard, the data's out there, and even given to them by us in our e-mails. And by making some restitution.

We're not out to see them grovel. Just to realise that this time they committed canine intercourse big time. No "we're sorry if anyone felt offended, we didn't know there was a right not to be offended" stuff. No cavils or excuses. Just "Oops. We really screwed up" then giving the results of their research. By all means state how much good they've done for charities, but not as an excuse, just in mitigation of their sentence.

And restitution too. Doesn't have to be financial. Say... publicity about how NH voted for Gay Marriage, but the senate unanimously voted against extending to trans people the same rights gays have had in that state for ten years. Informed talk about why that might be so. Even reasoned opposition, a true debate on it. Or something about the Trans Day of Remembrance. Or how 6 trans women have been shot in the head in Memphis alone in the last 2 years. That's the equivalent of 66,000 shootings in the general population.

But now they don't have to convince us. They have to convince Verizon, and McDonalds, and Carl's Jr, and all the rest of their former sponsors.

I would prefer if they managed to salvage their careers. But if they don't, I won't be too upset I'm afraid. Not when that's in their own hands.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


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speaking of FASCISM
One of your thugs I suppose Arnie, posts as two names gottabkiddin, and equat....something.

There was a post they almost immediately removed where this joke wanted to discuss "the issues of the day FACE to FACE with me."
The clear threatening nature of the post didn't fool anyone  at HuffPo, and neither of my responses to it were allowed either.

LET this fat ignorant SOB know that attempting to ATTACK a full grown queer man isn't the same as saying you'll bash a small kid. WE FIGHT BACK!
Three thugs with clubs couldn't best me, a skilled lesbian karate teacher (who teaches self defense to raped and battered women also taught me.) YOU don't want to learn FACE to FACE the things I learned from her....I guarantee it.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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Here's a difference for you

There is no way I could believe that there aren't some of you that if you had one of the young Phelps grandchildren spewing indoctrinated hate wouldn't at least feel the a deep rooted urge to punch them, or viciously lash out at them verbally.

You really feel an adult physically or verbally abusing a child is "understandable", don't you?

THAT is effing sick, Doc, and utterly beyond defense.  


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Blaming the victim
"Where if parents where responsible, there shouldn't have been one child affected by these words"

You seem to be saying that its perfectly okay for people to bully and harass and spew venom because it's the victim's responsibility to ignore them and the parents of the victim should concentrate on immunizing their child against the opinions of others.

You might consider just how damaging it is for the BULLY to have their anti-social behavior ignored or validated.  These bullying children are precisely the ones who grow up to alienate family and friends, repeatedly lose jobs and sometimes end up in prison, all because they feel they have a right to act offensively without consequences.  Most children are better off if its made clear to them that in order to get along with the rest of society it's necessary to take into consideration the effect our words and actions have on others.

If people insist on bullying, they end up all alone, filled with rage that no one will 'accept them the way they are'.  People certainly have a free speech right to be offensive, but that right also extends to those who say they are offended.

Crow


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First They Cames
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.

This affair is the day that "they came for me."  To protest the destruction of something in my life is isn't heard by people so blinded by their anger to realize it.

We need a new kind of Gay Advocate.  The kind that realizes that their freedom is entangled with the freedom of every other human being on this planet, and the that the strongest way to fight for your own freedom is to fight for the freedom of someone you disagree with.


I'm not blinded by anger.
To quote Ceasar Chavez:

"Society is made up of groups, and as long as the smaller groups do not have the same rights and the same protection as others - I don['t care whether you call it capitalism or communism -it is not going to work. Somehow, the guys in power have to be reached by counterpower, or through a change in their hearts and minds, or change will not come."

And...

"It is possible to become discouraged about the injustice we see everywhere. But God did not promise us that the world would be humane and just. He gives us the gift of life and allows us to choose the way we will use our limited time on earth. It is an awesome opportunity."

And...

"We are confident. We have ourselves. We know how to sacrifice. We know how to work. We know how to combat the forces that oppose us. But even more than that, we are true believers in the whole idea of justice. Justice is so much on our side, that that is going to see us through."

You offer us passivity, Doc -- you don't offer a path to dignity and justice. Instead, you tell us that the path to freedom is to give up our counterpower.

"Talk is cheap...It is the way we organize and use our lives everyday that tells what we believe in."

We believe in a better future for our LGBT children, and we have organized to create a more welcoming world for these, our LGBT children.

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


[ Parent ]
SHUT UP about NAZIs coming for groups
You FOUL BIGOTS picked on CHILDREN.

You have NO MORAL stance after that.
YOU picked on the EASIEST and MOST ACCEPTABLE group in America...trans community.

and cowards that you are, didn't even have an adult trans man or woman as your opponent...you picked on little KIDS.

    http://www.drunkenyeti.com/wp-...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
What a difference a week makes
I blogged about this a week ago. Within 24 hours of the broadcast, allowing for the time zone difference.

So regular readers of my blog will have gotten the story a few days earlier - which is no big deal. The important thing is it's out there, and publicised by some big names.

OTOH I know my readership isn't huge, but it is influential. And I Have My Spies..... even in Oakland, on the other side of the Pacific.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


Our Fork in the Road
Get over it. As much as you're trying to make it, it's not about them. Or you.

It's about every kid right at this moment going through the hell i went through.

You are absolutely right about me never being able to fully understand your pain.  End the end I have no idea what exactly it feels to have gone through what you went through.  However the intensity of your pain and suffering does not mean that there no are other youths who are going through a pain of the same or greater intensity.  For those youths who currently see a life-line in the Rob Arnie and Dawn show, your wishing for it to be obliterated indicates that you don't care about the pain they are going through because the reason for their pain is different that the reason for your pain.  Was there ever anyone or anything at any time that you felt was the only way you were able to make it through a day?  What if one day it was gone, and not just gone but ripped away?  At what point does your actions that cause another pain place you in the same category as the parent who abuses their child and blames the abuse they themselves received?

And no, these are not hypotheticals, not even unusual. You are clueless, the figure that 50% of trans kids self-harm before age 20 means nothing to you. Just words.

My cousin blew his head off a couple of weeks ago and I have no reason why.  I don't want to speculate why, but he obviously had something deeply troubling he couldn't show anyone.  You may think my approach is reprehensible and misguided, but please do not tell me I'm heartless.  

First though, listen to the Broadcast again. Don't just read the transcript.

I heard it live and I've heard it again.  I've said its angriest I've ever been at the show.  I've also had the opportunity to hear Rob talk about his anger and frustration at this world centered around how it treats its most defenseless: children and pets.  I know this because since I like them, I paid for a membership and watched the latest posting of their ongoing "Inside the DJs studio" series.  It was posted 7 days before the segment in question.  I reserve the right to view the offending segment in the context of countless hours of listening to these people for ten years.  I deserve the chance, as a member of this show's family, to fight to show Rob he was a complete and utter hypocrite on May 28th.

GLAAD, TYFA, and I have not called these Shock Jocks epithets and other names in the same vein they they called us epithets and names.

Yet there is no shortage of people ready to use horrible words to describe the three, including Dawn.  Those examples are all over the comments of this website.  Immediately people threatened harm either to the people, or the building they do their job in.  You can't have it both ways, ma'am, either both parties enacted in incitement and therefore having their livelihoods destroyed is acceptable, or individuals are responsible for their own actions.  If you feel that the words of people like O'Riely are responsible for Dr. Tillman's death, that means if, heaven forbid, someone harmed Rob, Arnie, Dawn, or people like me defending them, then you have to take full responsibility for that upon yourself.


You offer us passivity, Doc -- you don't offer a path to dignity and justice. Instead, you tell us that the path to freedom is to give up our counterpower.

Somehow, the guys in power have to be reached by counterpower, or through a change in their hearts and minds, or change will not come.

I would firstly say that if the chance to change a person's heart and mind is discounted, any opportunities available through that approach are obscured from the start.  Next I would say that I in no way want you to give up your counterpower.

What I am saying is that your counterpower must be used to enact non-violent direct action.  I don't see that.  Where MLK would have peaceably sat in a whites-only diner and be arrested if he had to, I see the leadership calling a mob together to gather outside the diner.  I see the leadership call out to the mob "These Hateful People Violate Us!!"  On the bullhorn they call into the shop "Open The Store To Us Now and Forever or else!" and when you don't get the answer you want you turn back to the mob "This Diner Must No Longer Exist!  The owners must now pay for the consequences of their actions!"  As the mob proceeds to ransack the joint, the leaders unashamedly describe the act as forcing the diner owner to face the consequences of their actions.

Please, do not invoke your lack of physical violence.  If this website and others were brought offline from hacker attacks, then you would feel that an attack even though nothing physical was involved.  That would be violent.  You may think its the right thing to do, but destroying this show is an act of violence.

I imagine a scenario where no one sent a single to show sponsors or the FCC.  Instead every single person who was going to do so created a 10 minute you tube video, telling their own stories, of what they have seen people go through.  I see a scenario where untold letters are sent to the three without one hurtful word, but with the pictures and stories of the people we love who were hurt by the kind of things they said.  That would have went viral and would have not been able to be ignored.  I bet you may have even has still seen the sponsors start dropping like flies.  This would have been an excellent way to use nonviolent direct action to protect the vulnerable.  Instead you used the empowerment you have gained to utilize force over someone you didn't like which is inherently violent.  I'd say every successful rights movement in history has faced its time to chose between the two methods, the ones with the longest lasting benefits to freedom choose the course of nonviolent direct action.  I am saying today that we have reached our time to decide.

I don't care if people who hate me actually stop hating me because there are many who will never stop hating me. My job instead is to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest anti-gay and anti-transgender sentiment.

That is sad.  Even knowing there are always going to be people who hate you, you should care about those who are caught into a self-destructive mindset such as hate.  What you advocate is an approach that does nothing to stop the actual thought, only the ability to speak that thought.  You advocate the act of self-censorship, applaud when fear prevents someone from being honest about what they believe.  You would rather they lie.

I see the fact people are dishonest about their bigotry as one reason minorities in this country still face unfair persecution.  Any number of documentaries would shock the average American by showing them what minorities still face.  How many think that the problem is over while the civil right movement remains incomplete?  The Rob Arnie and Dawn show used its platform to expose the still existent bigotry living on in the shadows.

If you use your new found empowerment to create an atmosphere of self censorship through fear, then you have partaken in a tactic used against you and therefore given your acceptance to the acts perpetuated against you.

My peers and I don't want these two and others to lose their right to free speech, but instead bring to bear the concept that there is no such thing as consequence free free speech.

As there is no such thing a consequence free act.

We believe in a better future for our LGBT children, and we have organized to create a more welcoming world for these, our LGBT children.

I invoked the issues of enemy combatants, military tribunals, the attacks on habeas corpus and the issue of preventative detainment.  No one has addressed these.  Thus, through their silence, they accept these.

On another blog I read a comment advocating that the radio station building be burned down.

From the positions you now advocate by default, this person could be arrested as an enemy combatant under the concept of preventive detainment, with no one knowing where they went, they just disappeared.  You are advocating that the person have no recourse to challenge their detention.  You are by default stating that you are perfectly fine that they may be sentenced through a tribunal even unto death, based upon evidence they never got to see.

That isn't even considering that with these powers the one holding power can just lie and say you advocated burning down the radio station building when you didn't.

If you disagree with me that you are advocating that scenario then the answer is simple: don't be silent about it.  Our fight for issues such as LGBT marriage or adoption are turned into nothing more than a house of cards with the deeper issues under assault as there are.  All it takes is for someone to turn on a fan.

If we consider it okay to demand of anyone that they apologize they way we want them to apologize when we want them to apologize, or else...  When we have no problems using our power to enact force over others...  we are at a moment that decides our soul.  Backing away from destroying this show isn't "dropping it."  If you and your peers had not approached with clear intimidation, then you may well have had the chance for your own voices to be on the radio on the 3rd educating people who would have never considered listening to you before.  You would may well have had the opportunity to speak to the RAD audience and tell them who you are, the organizations you are involved in and why.

In the end you undertook a violent action to counter violent speech and allowed yourself to enter the role of an oppressor.  Since you did it that way, the show choose their own way to respond and apologize.  Through your actions you fulfilled the notions of many people who think you care nothing about the rights of people other than yourself.  People who could have had their ignorance dispelled and their worldview changed now see you as a bully, and as with any bully, something to be opposed.



Blaming the victim
"What I am saying is that your counterpower must be used to enact non-violent direct action."

"In the end you undertook a violent action to counter violent speech and allowed yourself to enter the role of an oppressor."

Your post is lengthy and I certainly think I understand where you're coming from but once again you insist that the people who made indefensible jokes about harming children have a right to do so as part of some dubious 'lifeline' for people listening to their show and declare that those who have direct personal knowledge of harm to children that results from these stereotypes are OBLIGATED to eschew anger and instead be civil and try to PERSUADE people that they don't deserve to be treated like crap.

What possible justification do you have for the contrast between your excusing the people on the radio show being crude, vulgar, nasty and bigoted because they and their listeners know it's all a JOKE and nobody supposed to REALLY go beat up children while insisting that the similarly situated adults here who still remember the pain of real assaults and discrimination and similar mocking must are all required to emulate Martin Luther King?  Why is that they are supposed to be 'better than that'?  Martin Luther King accomplished a great deal not just because of his non-violent stance but also because everybody knew the alternative was talking to Malcolm X.

Crow


[ Parent ]
Doc..

At what point does your actions that cause another pain place you in the same category as the parent who abuses their child and blames the abuse they themselves received?

A small bit of distasteful over-share here to prove a point.

My step-father drowned my kitten to death in a toilet while i watched, and then did the same to me for several minutes.

Minus the 'to death' part, obviously.

Then there were the days locked outside for 16 hours in the dead of winter. Or the time i was twelve, when my grandparents finally bought me the glasses i needed my whole childhood, only to have them broken in half when said step-father punched them off my face. Then beat me so bad i couldn't get off the floor to use the bathroom.

i 'learned' three 'valuable lessons' that day. 1.) Don't get caught reading a couple of encyclopedias found in a dumpster while looking for food, when you're not allowed to be in the house until after dark. 2.) Don't ever ask for something more to eat beyond the peanut butter sandwhich you get each day at noon. 3.) Above all, don't ever get caught holding a doll and wearing an over-size shirt like a dress. Again.

Number 3 set off the worst moments. With every boyfriend my mother ever had as well.

Allow me to paste this again.

At what point does your actions that cause another pain place you in the same category as the parent who abuses their child and blames the abuse they themselves received?

You're challenging me by comparing me to my abusers.

It's obvious you are operating on what i'll just call a 'different reality' from mine, and leave it alone. i don't believe anything productive will result from any more time spent on this.

Are you talking about what it is you know, or just repeating what it was you heard?

Grace Slick

www.anonymous-t-girl.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
Passion, Text and Important Subjects don't always mix well...
I didn't mean to be accusatory and try and compare you directly to your abusers.  I can see how the way I put it came across that way, and I'm sorry for that, it wasn't right.

I just was just trying to say that sometimes when we aren't careful we can hurt vulnerable people when we don't think of all the different ways we can act to protect vulnerable people.  At the end of it all I know that we have to face responsibility for what we say, just that there is more than one way to not let them off the hook.

:)


[ Parent ]
@Doc
You spent all that time typing a lengthy post that doesn't matter in LEAST.

WE aren't listening to YOU
But this is FABULOUS!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


@Pete
You spent all that time typing a lengthy post that doesn't matter in LEAST.

WE aren't listening to YOU

When I was working on a post in word and realized printing it would would be almost five pages long I thought to myself, "Someone is going to toss me a TLDR. (Too Long, Didn't Read)."  I'm sorry, but what we are discussing here is just a tad too serious to utilize a common debate method used in the World of Warcraft forums.

I have to thank you Pete.  I would not have posted anything to this blog if it were not for you advocating that the pictures of the DJs (including Dawn) be distributed so people can spit on them.  I really was considering going on my merry way, but it was you who not only defended spitting on these guys (including Dawn), but did so by saying the emotions felt by your and yours would indicate doing something so much more severe.

You may tell me that I don't care about the pain felt, and that I don't care about the acts of torture mentioned here.  You may accuse me of lying when I tell you I want protect and defend each and every one of those people.  If being viewed as a hateful bigot is the price I have to pay for me to honestly work to protect my and everyone's access to the voice needed to protect the most defenseless amongst us, then that is the price I have to pay.

I have stated undeniable facts about the enemy combatant status, tribunals, the assault on habeas corpus, and the push for preventive detainment.  I have given a scenario that is far from implausible given these facts.  Such concepts have always been the mark of things going horribly wrong in society.  Another is the presence of a passionate group of people who, in the interests of protecting that which is most precious to them, are willing to do very ugly things and destroy the lives of people who they feel have done them wrong.

Silence is acceptance, and the silence on these four issues remains.  With all due respect if we allow the society these concepts represent to emerge, then you be will powerless to speak your voice in defense of those you so rightly care about.  Further more you will have created a system where those who do have power are provided an unprecedented ability to victimize, ensuring more children will be tortured.

I'm sorry that I see what is happening here as a violent expression of power to control people and that I see this as the watershed moment for my future freedom.  I am not here saying these things because I blame victims for being victimized.  I am here because I honestly believe I may not have the ability to fight for them if I don't.  You may hate and despise me all you want for that, but that is just the price I am going to have to pay to secure my ability to speak out against any form of victimization.


[ Parent ]
guess you can't take a HINT
none of your posts interest me, maybe this will FINALLY get you to pester someone else.
btw...the photo you menton was provided by the RAD website so of course ALL the RAD cast are featured.

 

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Thanks
Very cool!

Crow

[ Parent ]
This was great!
Thanks. . .

[ Parent ]
glad you liked it
user1234 was who posted this a while back and I loved it too
the song is by lily allen.....by the way I just got her CD, since I enjoyed it so much.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Speaking out
"You may hate and despise me all you want for that, but that is just the price I am going to have to pay to secure my ability to speak out against any form of victimization."

Wow.  So YOU get to speak out against victimization, but the other people here do not?  Your long posts address your disapproval of a few overheated comments by posters, but you excuse the DJs because, if I'm reading your post correctly, you believe their show is "access to the voice needed to protect the most defenseless amongst us"?

You might want to consider, just for a moment, what the show would be like if they kept Dawn, tossed the two sophomoric jokers back in the employment pool, and got a couple of actual grown-ups for her to interact with.  Ones who don't make sick jokes about little kids.  The voice to protect the most defenseless amongst us doesn't have to be Rob and Arnie, they could be replaced by someone with real integrity and a little civility.

Crow


[ Parent ]
Apologies
So YOU get to speak out against victimization, but the other people here do not?

I apologize for not finding a way to make it more clear that I didn't feel you didn't have the right to speak out.  What I was trying to say is that I feel we are already dangerously close to a place where you would not have the ability to do so, and that in this case the actions taken where speeding the arrival of such a thing.  

In feeling this act was victimizing people, I have my example of a suicidal person losing the thing they attribute to getting them through their day in the form of this show.  If you do not feel getting this show off the air will victimize any innocent people, I would just like an explanation as to why you feel it is okay to do that to a person in such a state.

In fearing that soon both mine and your ability to speak up to protect innocent people will taken away, I mentioned four points.  If you do not feel that you are in danger of your ability to speak up is in immediate danger, I would just like to hear how you see the issues of the enemy combatant status, tribunals, the challenge against habeas corpus and the consideration of preventive detention.  If someone feels that these issues are not something that causes you danger, then I would like to hear your thoughts on my belief that they mean that anyone can be taken at any time for any reason, be tried without a jury with evidence they can't see, and even perhaps to be put to death while to the outside world they just disappeared.

I know when I say I care about the brutal things that are happening and I want to stop them, I must seem so incredibly hypocritical and cruel.  Believing that we are close to a place where my lost person scenario is reality is the only rationale I can give you.

(PS: I'm sorry, I've always struggled with brevity and just can't get a grasp of it.  I've tried my best to do so here.)


[ Parent ]
Please...
...if you feel the need, by all means rapid-fire post, use thinly-veiled profanity, and ALL CAPS until your keyboard is blue in the face.

But do not claim to speak for me or others with phrases such as 'we are not listening'. You do not have the authority to speak for others, and i myself will always listen until i believe nothing productive can be gained.

And i'm capable of voicing that myself.

Thank you.  

Are you talking about what it is you know, or just repeating what it was you heard?

Grace Slick

www.anonymous-t-girl.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
oh and thank you for taking time from your busy day to read MY beads
see lily allen song

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
when
Parents, feminists, LGBTs, and allies generate enough calls and emails to make 10 National advertisers drop their sponsorship of this heinous show....is WE overstated?

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Yes.

And sarcasm (among other message board habits) is the recourse of a weak mind.

Evolve.

i stand by my request.

Are you talking about what it is you know, or just repeating what it was you heard?

Grace Slick

www.anonymous-t-girl.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
not just sarcasm
"I also have eyebrows, adjectives, and attitude."
(Jeffry)

For such an intelligent young girl, you seem to miss the OBVIOUS. If you don't like my posts, ignore them.
You have ZERO control over anything else.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
I'd like to ask Pam or the moderators here why it is okay
for Petey to say "fuck you" (via video, ha ha) to two fellow posters in this thread alone with impunity.

The past week has seen a crap load of personal attacks masquerading as debate, and not just by Petey.  It just seems to snowball once it starts. It shouldn't matter if a poster expresses a minority viewpoint around here; an attack is an attack.


[ Parent ]
Here's to celebrating those of us who made it through
all the pain, all the ignorance, all the hate

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

and to making it better for those younger

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


For Arie
   http://img.villagephotos.com/p...
pick on somebody your OWN SIZE

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Arnie....my mistake


What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Looking through the RAD website is a mental sewer
Acting as if these seriously putrid folks have ANY SOCIALLY REDEMING qualities is beyond BULLSH*T.

I'd direct anyone to Arnie's choice of Christmas presents, some of the foulest t-shirts imaginable, then there's his porn page....ick.

The truely vomitous way these three tried to wrap their crap show in 9/11 was hillarious in the depth these maggots will sink to when their jobs are threatened.

Had these folks never mentioned beating a kid, there would be NOTHING significant to save in what they do, joking about a woman raped from the rear with her head in a toilet flushing...that Dawn is particularly dispicable to willing work with men who would even IMAGINE degrading another woman in that manner.Even as low as I think this show is, without attacking a trans kid been mentioned, I never would have worked to Boycott their sponsors.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


redeeming...typo


What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Great Job Autumn!
I will submit a FCC complaint and post this up everywhere!
You ROCK GF!

WE WON!!!!
RAD posted they are making no more new shows

    http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/

UPDATED JUNE 7TH, 2009, 11:50AM

TO OUR LOYAL ROB, ARNIE AND DAWN FOLLOWERS,

WE HAVE FAILED YOU. AS A SHOW, AS PEOPLE, AS BROADCASTERS, WE HAVE SIMPLY FAILED ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL.

WE PRESENTED OUR OPINIONS ON A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT IN A HATEFUL, CHILDISH AND CRUDE FASHION; AND THEN, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETRACT THOSE REMARKS, WE DEFENDED THEM.

SINCE THEN, YOU, OUR LOYAL LISTENERS, HAVE MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT WE WENT TOO FAR. THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING. NONE OF YOU SAID THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE OPINIONS, YET SO MANY OF YOU SAID THAT THE WAY WE GAVE THEM CROSSED THE LINE. FURTHER, YOU SAID THAT OUR ATTEMPT TO MASK OUR COMMENTS AS "JOKES THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY OUR AUDIENCE," WAS UNACCEPTABLE. I WOULD SAY NOW THAT IT WAS WORSE THAN THAT, IT WAS COWARDLY. YOU HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS AND ASKED FOR A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT; TO RESPOND, WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, TO THE EDUCATION THAT OUR AUDIENCE HAS PROVIDED US. THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN GRACIOUSLY GRANTED THIS THURSDAY MORNING, JUNE 11TH. AT 7:30 A.M.

THE WORD APOLOGY APPEARS NO WHERE IN THIS LETTER FOR A REASON. WE ALREADY HID FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING ONCE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN. APOLOGIZING IN A WRITTEN, POSTED STATEMENT IS A FORM OF COWARDICE. WE WILL SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID THIS THURSDAY.

ON A FINAL, PERSONAL NOTE, AS THE LEADER AND OWNER OF THE SHOW, I HAVE MADE THE DECISION THAT WE NEED TO REFRAIN FROM BROADCASTING NEW EPISODES UNTIL WE CAN ADDRESS THIS ON THURSDAY .  WE WILL RETURN TO THE AIR AT 7:30 A.M. JUNE 11TH.

ROB WILLIAMS
ROB, ARNIE AND DAWN



What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Mick and Bowie
dancin in the streets
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Very Good
I was hopeful that Rob would realize that he had crossed his own line and acted against who he was.  I lost a lot of respect for Rob on the 28th, I got a little bit of that back with this.

Rob has always preached taking responsibility, and I am grateful that the show that should have happened will be happening.  I will not be surprised if Rob offers stations the option to accept a resignation, he did it before when the show screwed up and crossed its own moral boundaries.

I don't know if there will continue to be a show, but I am grateful that there will be a chance to educate Thursday.

I would just like to say that if in making my arguments, I ended up being hurtful, I apologize.


[ Parent ]
To quote myself...
You know... they could still recover. By making a true apology. By actually doing some research. It's not hard, the data's out there, and even given to them by us in our e-mails. And by making some restitution.

We're not out to see them grovel. Just to realise that this time they committed canine intercourse big time. No "we're sorry if anyone felt offended, we didn't know there was a right not to be offended" stuff. No cavils or excuses. Just "Oops. We really screwed up" then giving the results of their research. By all means state how much good they've done for charities, but not as an excuse, just in mitigation of their sentence.

And restitution too. Doesn't have to be financial. Say... publicity about how NH voted for Gay Marriage, but the senate unanimously voted against extending to trans people the same rights gays have had in that state for ten years. Informed talk about why that might be so. Even reasoned opposition, a true debate on it. Or something about the Trans Day of Remembrance. Or how 6 trans women have been shot in the head in Memphis alone in the last 2 years. That's the equivalent of 66,000 shootings in the general population.

But now they don't have to convince us. They have to convince Verizon, and McDonalds, and Carl's Jr, and all the rest of their former sponsors.

I would prefer if they managed to salvage their careers. But if they don't, I won't be too upset I'm afraid. Not when that's in their own hands.

This is exactly what I asked for. We'll see what happens Thursday.

Oh and Doc - no apologies necessary. You reacted to a family tragedy by trying to be more like MLK than, well, MLK. Please understand that for us, suicide of people we know is something we deal with every month. It doesn't get easier, and we try every way we we can to stop it.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


[ Parent ]
@ZoeB
Your veiled reference to "screwing the pooch", is actually a t-shirt theme which was featured on  Arnie's suggested Christmas gift list.
a woman's silhoette with a dog mounting her.
the rest are even more disgusting.

trying to alter or improve this group.....doesn't seem likely. Also the audience for hate jocks wouldn't care for them if they did change, they feed off the lowest common denominator.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Wow.....
You reacted to a family tragedy by trying to be more like MLK than, well, MLK.

Thank you.  That is the greatest complement anyone has ever given me.  I'm beside myself. :)

Rob attributed this to his audience telling him he did something hateful and horrific.  Our family may not be able to take back what was done, but I hope that Thursday will be something that opens a lot of peoples eyes to something they should have known already.  I hope the RAD audience can at least show you that.


[ Parent ]
BRAVA Autumn
FIERCE!

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Thanks Autumn
Now I need to send a complaint concerning one of the radio stations in Denver, Colorado (KOA).

The host of a local overnight talk show had incredibly vicious comments concerning the outcome of the Angie Zapata court verdict.

This host advocated violence towards transwomen of failed to disclose their pre-operative status.

I hope the cut-off time for filing complaints has not already passed.

Dena



Cisgender. Because "Genetic" is so 2006.


Typo
transwomen who failed...

Dena  

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" is so 2006.


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