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The Obama admin defends DOMA in a brief comparing marriage equality to incest

by: Pam Spaulding

Fri Jun 12, 2009 at 15:21:26 PM EDT


UPDATES: A joint statement from the ACLU, GLAD, HRC, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights, and the Task Force is below the fold. I also added excerpts from Box Turtle Bulletin's take, Obama Administration Moves To Uphold DOMA Before Supreme Court. Here's Chris@ Law Dork, "Obama's DOJ Did Not Have To Go This Far."

I'm sure this post will be updated quite a bit today...

"We are surprised and profoundly disappointed that the administration has chosen to defend DOMA - using many of the same arguments the Bush Administration used - plus some new arguments that make no sense and are discriminatory."
-- Jenny Pizer, director of Lambda Legal's marriage project
Today is the anniversary of the Loving v. Virginia decision that struck down state laws against interracial marriage. How has the Obama administration recognized it? By lobbing this bomb right into the civil rights of gay and lesbian couples.
The U.S. Justice Department has moved to dismiss the first gay marriage case filed in federal court, saying it is not the right venue to tackle legal questions raised by a couple already married in California.

The motion, filed late Thursday, argued that the case of Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer does not address the right of gay couples to marry but rather questions whether their marriage must be recognized nationwide by states that have not approved gay marriage.

This is a President who said he is a "fierce advocate" for our rights. This doesn't look much like an advocate, it looks more like an enemy pulling the pin on the grenade and tossing it at us. While this may not be the perfect test case for DOMA, the Obama administration, in its defense of the Act, has filed a brief that is a roadmap for every fundnut anti-gay argument against the right of same-sex couples to marry.  (Americablog):
But the real PR disaster for the administration is how can they explain away the virulent anti-gay defense it is presenting. Among the highlights offered by the "most pro-gay administration" in history (please read all of John's post for the citations, I'm drawing the thumbnail sketch here of the horror):
* Obama invoked incest and people marrying children.

* The Obama admin argues that the incest and child rape cases therefore make DOMA constitutional

* DOMA is good because it saves the federal government money

* DOMA is constitutional (!!!).

"DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles." This is important because it means that Obama wasn't content to simply argue, based on technicalities, that this case should be thrown out. He went out of his way to argue that DOMA is actually constitutional, and then went into detail destroying every single constitutional argument we have for opposing DOMA in court. This will screw us on every lawsuit we file on every gay issue, in every public policy debate we have in the states on any gay issue.
* Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states

* The defense, by default, argues against Loving v. Virginia. For the child of an interracial marriage and a Constitutional scholar, this is beyond belief.

Loving v. Virginia is not to the contrary. There the Supreme Court rejected a contention that the assertedly "equal application" of a statute prohibiting interracial marriage immunized the statute from strict scrutiny. 388 U.S. 1, 8, 87 S.Ct. 1817, 18 L.Ed.2d 1010 (1967). The Court had little difficulty concluding that the statute, which applied only to "interracial marriages involving white persons," was "designed to maintain White Supremacy" and therefore unconstitutional. Id. at 11. No comparable purpose is present here, however, for DOMA does not seek in any way to advance the "supremacy" of men over women, or of women over men. Thus DOMA cannot be "traced to a . . . purpose" to discriminate against either men or women. Personnel Adm'r v. Feeney, 442 U.S. 256, 272, 99 S. Ct. 2282, 60 L.Ed.2d 870 (1979). In upholding the traditional definition of marriage, numerous courts have expressly rejected an alleged analogy to Loving.
* Gays don't deserve same scrutiny in court that other minorities receive

* Provides legal argument against gays' right to privacy

* DOMA is rational and reasonable for our society

There's plenty more but this one stings -- it parrots the playbook of the religious right: DOMA doesn't discriminate against gays - all they have to do to get the benefits is get married... to someone of the opposite sex.

DOMA does not discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of federal benefits. To the contrary, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is prohibited in federal employment and in a wide array of federal benefits programs by law, regulation, and Executive order.... Section 3 of DOMA does not distinguish among persons of different sexual orientations, but rather it limits federal benefits to those who have entered into the traditional form of marriage.
Has your breath been taken away yet? I could not believe what I was reading.

The administration is trying to argue that it is "forced" to defend DOMA as the law of the land, but, as John and Joe explain, this looks like bullsh*t, since prior administrations have declined to defend fed cases of this sort.

In fact, George W. Bush (ACLU et al., v. Norman Y. Mineta - "The U.S. Department of Justice has notified Congress that it will not defend a law prohibiting the display of marijuana policy reform ads in public transit systems."), Bill Clinton (Dickerson v. United States - "Because the Miranda decision is of constitutional dimension, Congress may not legislate a contrary rule unless this Court were to overrule Miranda.... Section 3501 cannot constitutionally authorize the admission of a statement that would be excluded under this Court's Miranda cases."), George HW Bush (Metro Broadcasting v. Federal Communications Commission), and Ronald Reagan (INS v./ Chadha - "Chadha then filed a petition for review of the deportation order in the Court of Appeals, and the INS joined him in arguing that ยง 244(c)(2) is unconstitutional.") all joined in lawsuits opposing federal laws that they didn't like, laws that they felt were unconstitutional. It is an outright lie to suggest that the DOJ had no choice.
But I'm not a lawyer; I wanted to hear from our professional gay advocacy organizations to see how they view this incredible document. I fully expect a whole lot of our "progressive friends" to make all sorts of technical excuses to defend DOMA, but they sure as hell cannot defend the homophobia laced throughout this brief.

HRC's response (via The Politico):

HRC ... has grave concerns about the arguments that the Administration put forth in this case, arguments that simply do not reflect the experiences that LGBT people face or the contributions that they make. The Administration's brief claims that DOMA is a valid exercise of Congress's power, is consistent with Equal Protection or Due Process principles, and does not impinge upon rights that are recognized as fundamental. The brief further claims that DOMA is a "neutral" federal position on same-sex marriages, and permits the states to determine on their own whether to recognize same-sex marriages. The most alarming argument, grounded neither in fact nor in law, reads as follows:

[DOMA amounts to] a cautious policy of federal neutrality towards a new form of marriage. DOMA maintains federal policies that have long sought to promote the traditional and uniformly-recognized form of marriage, recognizes the right of each State to expand the traditional definition if it so chooses, but declines to obligate federal taxpayers in other States to subsidize a form of marriage that their own states do not recognize.

"Same-sex couples and their families are not seeking subsidies," said HRC President Joe Solmonese. "We pay taxes equally, contribute to our communities equally, support each other equally, pay equally into Social Security, and participate equally in our democracy. Equal protection is not a handout. It is our right as citizens," he said.

OMG. Jesus, where's the outrage about the dehumanization of lesbian and gay couples detailed in this brief with abandon? Sorry folks, you need a do-over -- this is DC speak. FAIL.

Rea Carey, Executive Director, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Action Fund:

"DOMA is and has always been an immoral attack on same-sex couples, our families and our fundamental humanity. This law has only served to discriminate against Americans and belittle our nation's heralded values embracing freedom, fairness and justice. The Task Force Action Fund demands President Obama and Congress immediately repeal this hateful law, which has left a moral scar on our nation and its worthy pursuit of equal justice for all.

"Unfortunately, the malicious and outrageous arguments and language used in the Department of Justice's marriage brief is only serving to inflame and malign the humanity of same-sex couples and our families. This is unacceptable.

"This ugly chapter in our nation's history must come to an end now with the repeal of DOMA."

Friends, is this is the watershed mark, the line in the sand, the utter moral betrayal of this administration in black and white? Does this mean that we are not only expendable to this Administration, but  that it has decided we can also be vilified as a constituency at will and not receive any blowback? That's balls. A brief with language like this could have been written by Liberty Counsel it's so homophobic; that it's written in legalese doesn't blunt the arguments being made here. It will be used to cause lasting damage to future civil rights gains.
Pam Spaulding :: The Obama admin defends DOMA in a brief comparing marriage equality to incest
Joint statement from the ACLU, GLAD, HRC, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights, and the Task Force:
We are very surprised and deeply disappointed in the manner in which the Obama administration has defended the so-called Defense of Marriage Act against Smelt v. United States, a lawsuit brought in federal court in California by a married same-sex couple asking the federal government to treat them equally with respect to federal protections and benefits.  The administration is using many of the same flawed legal arguments that the Bush administration used.  These arguments rightly have been rejected by several state supreme courts as legally unsound and obviously discriminatory.  

We disagree with many of the administration's arguments, for example that DOMA is a valid exercise of Congress's power, is consistent with Equal Protection or Due Process principles, and does not impinge upon rights that are recognized as fundamental.

We are also extremely disturbed by a new and nonsensical argument the administration has advanced suggesting that the federal government needs to be "neutral" with regard to its treatment of married same-sex couples in order to ensure that federal tax money collected from across the country not be used to assist same-sex couples duly married by their home states.  There is nothing "neutral" about the federal government's discriminatory denial of fair treatment to married same-sex couples:  DOMA wrongly bars the federal government from providing any of the over one thousand federal protections to the many thousands of couples who marry in six states.  This notion of "neutrality" ignores the fact that while married same-sex couples pay their full share of income and social security taxes, they are prevented by DOMA from receiving the corresponding same benefits that married heterosexual taxpayers receive.  It is the married same-sex couples, not heterosexuals in other parts of the country, who are financially and personally damaged in significant ways by DOMA.  For the Obama administration to suggest otherwise simply departs from both mathematical and legal reality.  

When President Obama was courting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, he said that he believed that DOMA should be repealed.  We ask him to live up to his emphatic campaign promises, to stop making false and damaging legal arguments, and immediately to introduce a bill to repeal DOMA and ensure that every married couple in America has the same access to federal protections.  

Signed:

American Civil Liberties Union
Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders
Human Rights Campaign
Lambda Legal
National Center for Lesbian Rights
National Gay and Lesbian Taskforce

Geoff Kors, Equality CA:
San Francisco -- In a recent California Federal Court challenge filed by a couple legally married in California, the United States Department of Justice under the direction of President Barack Obama filed a brief supporting the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and justifying discrimination in government benefits against same-sex couples. In response, Equality California (EQCA) Executive Director Geoff Kors released the following statement:

"We are outraged the Obama Administration filed a brief defending the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act -- a law Obama promised to repeal when running for President. It is unacceptable that he is defending DOMA instead of supporting its repeal as unconstitutional. And the justification that Congress has the right to deny one minority equal benefits as a way to save money is truly offensive. We not only call on President Obama to order the Justice Department to file a supplemental brief reversing its position and instead urging the repeal of DOMA, but we also demand the president demonstrates that he is the 'fierce' advocate he once claimed to be by publicly calling for the end to all discrimination against LGBT Americans -- including the immediate repeal of this law so same-sex couples legally married in their home state receive the same federal benefits and protections as opposite-sex couples."

Also:

For another take, surf over to BTB: Obama Administration Moves To Uphold DOMA Before Supreme Court. Jim Burroway believes that the incest claim is debatable, but that the brief is problematic on so many other levels precisely because it represents a fundamental betrayal by this administration.

It does mention that different states do regulate the qualifications for marriages differently with regard to kinship or age of consent, emphasizing that some states allow some marriages while others don't. But trying to figure out if second and first cousins or sixteen-year-olds should marry isn't the same as pedophilia or incest as Aravosis claims. If you really want a good example of how such a comparison has been made, go back and remember Rick Warren's comparison and his reiteration that he does see it as equivalent. The Justice Department brief is not even close to being in the same league.

...And the mere fact that the Obama administration sees fit to try to justify the constitutionality of DOMA is very troubling. When Obama ran for the Democratic nomination for President, he distinguished himself from other front-runners by declaring that he was for DOMA's full repeal. That contrasted with Sen. Hillary Clinton's position of advocating for only partial repeal of DOMA and leaving intact the provisions allowing states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. When Obama became president, the new White House web site repeated his call for repealing DOMA. But that commitment has since been quietly dropped when the web site was revamped in April.

Here's the incest issue cited:
See, e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, "though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th[at] state"); Wilkins v. Zelichowski, 140 A.2d 65, 67-68 (N.J. 1958) (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage);
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It's time we realized
He's just not that into us.

Not that into us?
More like he despises us.  We should be so lucky that he would just ignore us.

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He's acting like he's doing the lame "be a dick and make the other person break up" move


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We didn't know how lucky we were
He has ignored us for months...maybe that was better

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Not so fast
I am the last person to apologize for Obama. However, I have more questions than answers.

The US attorney for the Central District of California - Thomas O'Brien - is a very conservative Republican appointed by George, II.

Obama cannot intervene at Justice. He can replace Tom O'Brien but cannot direct his activities. I think that we saw this movie before.

The question is how much autonomy the US Attorneys are expected to have.

Before we all go off on the victim train, I think that Holder needs to be held to account. Holder is running Justice and the AG is supposed to be independent of the White House.

"Neither Lifestyle nor Agenda"

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I'd been upset with Obama all day, until I started to learn how DOJ works.
The more I learn about it, the more I think Obama had nothing to do with this.

If I'm wrong, I'll go back to being upset with him, but I want him to explain what's going on first.  Of course, if he doesn't disavow, I'll have to assume he agrees.


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As the saying has it,
this happened on his watch.  The buck stops with him.  It is his Justice Department, and the brief was written by one of his men, not O'Brien. http://www.americablog.com/200...

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



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fine, i'll give it a couple of days
If I don't hear within a very short time that he does not endorse this and in fact condemns it, I'm going to assume that he does endorse it.  This is now HIS justice department, and the buck indeed should stop with him.  This is just nauseating.

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The brief was written by one of Obama's men.
http://www.americablog.com/200...

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



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Actually it was...
signed by one of Obama's men who probably didn't read it.  

That's no excuse, of course, but it was probably drafted by an underling and I'll bet dollars to donuts that said underling is one of those Regent University Law School (Pat Robertson's diploma mill) graduates that were hired by the dozen (and created a scandal because the only qualifications they had to have was to be good Christianists).  They were hired into civil service, so I'll bet a lot of them are still stinking up the place.

The language in the brief is so vicious; the legal reasoning is so vacuous, and it repeats so many Christianist talking points that I'm positive that's what happened.


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The brief was assigned to a Momon attorney in the doj
Assigned.
The attorney assigning it had to know what he'd get back.
The AG would have briefed Obama on the case and the substance of the response from doj(they no longer deserve caps from me.)

There is no way to excuse this,
This was done deliberately and knowingly


I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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Horrified
I'm absolutely heartbroken.  I've been waiting, patiently, for some sign from this administration that they were just being pragmatic.

I'm 23 years old, and believed in this man more than I care to admit right now.  I suppose, so unfortunately, that there comes a time in every person's life where this process of "democracy" and politicians, no matter how promising they appear, are always revealed to be... well, pieces of shit.

I can't believe what I've just read... I feel shell shocked.


Also horrified
I'm 60 years old and feel the same way.  I've been waiting 40 years for the equality promised me by this country, and I have had it.

I just called my senators and representive and told them no more money, no more campaigning, no more voting for Democrats, as long as their president takes actions like this.  It was easy enough with Sen. Murray -- she voted for the vile law in the first place.  It was harder with Rep. McDermott -- I have no trouble believing he will be as angry as any straight ally can be.

But as e.e. cummings said, "There is some shit I will not eat."


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Words fail
Words just fail. To use incest and child rape cases to protect DOMA is to just say the terrorist criminal whom attacked the Holocaust Museum isn't a bigot.
I am so down w/ supporting him.

He's Not Going To Be Happy
until he has every last group of people in the country pissed off at him! LOL

Except for the fundies.......


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This is why we need a March on Washington
You are free to stay home if you wish, but there will be no stopping it now.

uh huh
So after March #4, when's march #5?  I guess we'll keep marching over and over again expecting a different outcome....which is the definition of insanity.

If the first 3 marches didn't make the change we hoped for, how will this one be anything other than a tantrum?


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Don't march, disrupt!
Unleash a "Reign of Annoyance" upon the administration, embarrass every event that they hold,

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Why is anyone surprised?
I'm not a hater, or a bitter Hillary supporter (she probably wouldn't have done any better for us), but in terms of Obama delivering for LGBTers, I kept a wary eye on him long before he won the primary.  He was signaling to the homophobes all along ('God is in the mix' with marriage and all that nonsense).  I referred to him when speaking to a relative as a snake in the grass (and before anyone thinks that's a low thing to say, serpents have long been considered wise, cunning and calculating, something Obama certainly is) - regardless of my decision to vote for him.  And how does a snake say 'fuck you'?  . . . 'Trust me.'  Do I think he has any personal animosity toward us?  No.  I just don't think we matter.  And I'm tired of the Andrew Sullivan types thinking Obama has some brilliant tactic behind the tactic behind the tactic, as if playing six-dimensional chess.  'Kiss my ass' is pretty clear in this case.  He's not fighting for us behind the scenes or any of that horseshit.  We was had, but some of us knew it a long time ago.  

2012
After this experience, maybe our "GLBT leaders" should stop pushing support of ANY candidate who uses the bible in any way, form or fashion.  If they talk one way to a gay crowd, and another way to a "religious" crowd, you know you've got a backstabber.  This was very clear before the election.  


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Agreed
I would love to see an LGBT political party formed.

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It would only be useful
in a parliamentary-type or proportional-representation system.  In the U.S., we're probably better served working with existing parties (even "third" parties like the pro-LGBT Greens; the Log Closet types can go with the Libertarians, who are exclusively pro-plutocracy and can't be bothered with anything else).

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I couldn't agree more


"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ Franรงois Marie Arouet.

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Haha
Log Closet ... LOL.  

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The existing parties are our enemies. They demonstate it over and over again.
They write and implement bigoted laws like DOMA and DADT and gut laws like ENDA.

Why is it better to kowtow to our enemies by supporting and voting for them? Why not use the elections as a tool to educate, organize and win allies by opposing the war, handouts to the looter rich, racism etc. and help topple the parties of our enemies?

The question is not how to accommodate to the undemocratic two party system but how to replace it.

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


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My 2012 Presidential vote
will be going to Dan Choi, as a write in candidate if need be.  And if Obama just happens to loose to Limbaugh by 537 votes, well the Democrats brought it upon themselves.

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My protest write-in in 2008
was Evan Wolfson & Mary Bonauto for President & Vice President. I couldn't in good conscience vote for Obama after the string of anti-gay actions during the campaign: McClurkin and the ensuing "happy gays" memo, using Doug Kmiec, praig Warren and going to his church, using right wing language to talk about marriage, advocating segregation for same sex couples and his toothless "opposition" to Prop 8.  

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2012
I think we'd be better off running an oppositional primary candidate rather than trying to get a party on 50 state ballots.

Marriage equality.  Now with 50% more cake.

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Video break...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Crap, I feel like Mowgli right now.

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Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
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I'm physically sickened
Of course, we've heard this all before but not by someone who claims to be a "fierce advocate" for us.  To think that my fundamentalist family is more progressive than the President just makes me want to puke.

Obama lost my vote with this brief
Unbelieveable.

But it's as much the Democratic Party's fault as it his.  


The Democrats Congressional caucus are for the most part as bigoted as Obama...
but that says nothing to excuse him, his year long pandering to christer bigots or his growing hostility to us and our agenda. What is does is prove that he's as sleazy as Bill Clinton. Clinton was - is - a sleaze gold star winner.  

The occupant of the White House and the misleadership of Congress are the enemy just as much as the Republicans.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


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As Gibbs might say, "In a word: YES!"
This IS the watershed mark, the line in the sand, the utter moral betrayal of this administration in black and white!

Why?

1. They didn't have to do it using ANY language let alone the American Taliban's talking points [all they left out was "Children need a MOTHER & a FATHER"]. Administrations CAN choose to not file against any suit they don't WANT to.

2. Some are saying that it would have forced Congress to defend it themselves. SO WHAT? It wouldn't have made things ANY worse but WOULD have left the President with a blank slate to fight for repeal in Congress whenever.

NOW he's already told them THEY WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG...on BOTH DADT AND DOMA.

Obambots: Please suggest ONE argument he has left to use even IF he chose to fulfill his promises to "throw the full weight of my administration behind" such legislation as DADT or DOMA repeal.

Please suggest ONE argument the sponsors of the DADT repeal bill might use to try to resurrect it from the grave he buried it in this week by saying it IS justified because of "unit cohesion and discipline."

Please suggest ONE argument ANYONE in Congress might have for finally even submitting a DOMA repeal bill now that he's locked DOMA up and thrown away the Constitutional key.

I am on record as having sensed from the beginning that, at best, he doesn't "get" gay inequality. So I supported Hillary in the primaries, first on that feeling, and later on the SUBSTANCE of:

his lying about personally passing the Illinois LGBT rights bill;

McClurkingate;

his pretending his call for repeal of Section 2 of DOMA actually meant anything when he still supported a state's right to do whatever the hell they wanted [which he has REINTERATED in his statement re Iowa and IN THIS BRIEF];

etc., etc.

But once he got the nomination I campaigned for his election, donated money, because I thought even if he didn't do anything significant for us AT LEAST he wouldn't do anything to hurt us.

This week he proved me wrong. TWICE.


Yes, where are the Obamabots now.....
who will tell us what the President's true agenda is?  Michael, be prepared to be met with silence today.

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After they finish defending him at
After they finish defending him at JoeMyGod, Towleroad, Queerty, and demonizing those who dare disagree, they'll come here.

I particularly was touched by "ish" at JoeMyGod response to those equally stunned by the Obama brief:

"But don't let me stop you all from smearing each other with Michael Bedwell's feces."  


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2010
Is the only answer at this point Michael, that's the bottom line.

And if it means that I don't vote for my Rep (Jan Schakowsky) or the Democratic candidate for Senator (and it better not be Roland Burris) then so be it.  


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Change We Can Believe In?
Sounds like the same 'ol crap to me. If he calls himself a "fierce advocate", I am terrified to see someone he considers a "fierce opponent".

And all the Obama-bots (I love that term Keori) will probably still defend him on this move which just goes to show that they are just as blind and ignorant as Rush, WND, etc.

Jon aka The Angry Fag
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http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheAngryFag


Did I come up with the term "Obamabot"?
Or was I just the first to use it here? I don't know, but it's still good.

Sorry, folks, I just spent the last two days flying 12 time zones, totally missed this, and need time to process. I'll be back tomorrow.

Hey SciFi Geek - you in the market for a new hero to worship yet?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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We're Highly Expendable
We are Obama's Sistah Souljah. By betraying us so blatantly, he loses only our votes. He gains traction with Republicans and wingers, and of course with the African-American demo. We're cheap losses to him.
Better get used to it. The shocks are going to keep on coming re DADT, ENDA, etc., etc. We're toast.  

Hrm.
Well, thanks for Nothing George Bush the Second.

At least I know without a doubt where my rights stand with you.

You didn't get my vote the first time around, and you sure as hell won't be getting it in 2012.

Enjoy your new rabid fundamentalist buddies, I'm sure they throw great parties.


The hell with Washington and the politicos
My focus will remain locally, doing what I can here in Maine.

We're not a perfect state, but we have made a fair amount of progress and need desperately to protect that progress NOW.

Think about it this way:  On aircraft emergencies, the passengers are instructed to put the oxygen mask on themselves FIRST- then help others".

Going to DC to protest in October, especially when no one is around, is worse than "putting the oxygen on someone else first"- it's the equivalent of going back to the terminal and putting the masks on the airline employees.

Fuck THAT idea...

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Oh thank FSM
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Implications of your argument
Following that line of reasoning, we need to concentrate on enhancing the power of the States over the Federal government and make sure we can win in our own state.  Kinda an old school Republican value, for what it's worth.

Didn't work so hot here in California and the problem is the Catholic Church and LDS have the ability to simply move with the battle from state to state; they don't actually live anywhere.

Even if we decided to make a single state home to all LGBTQQI, along would come the fundies with a Federal policy and we'd be screwed.

I prefer a more difficult but long term strategy:  We fight at the city level.  We fight at the County level.  We fight to make our State a home we can live in and we fight to let the weasels in Washington know that we are here.  We are not going to be quiet, we are not going to quit and we are not going to stop until we have equality.

We need political representation.  HRC has already shown us that they are willing to leave some of us behind some of the time and all of us behind if being strong is...politically unbecoming.  

Grassroots is our strength.  Witness the small scale experiment we just accidentally ran with KRXQ.  We've been fighting fires, reacting to emergencies.  The time has come to take the offensive, people.  The time has come to organize.  Respectfully, peacefully, but with a show of strength day after day, event after event, vote after vote.  There is nothing "terrorist" about letting them know that despite our peaceful actions, there is anger beneath the skin and behind our eyes.



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Maybe so
But hauling ass back to organize on a national solution right now, instead of focusing the next 5 months' efforts on Maine, would be beyond stupid.

It would kill all of the hard fought 2009 momentum of Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire.

Maine canNOT be allowed to become the East Coast's "Prop 8".

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And what exactly IS wrong with being "old school Republican" anyways? Until Feb 2008, I had been an independent for 24 years with "old school Republican" leanings- the GOP as I grew up knowing it has long since died.

With the sole exception of Olympia Snowe- my senator.

"Republican" up here on the Canadian border has long been a different thing altogether and preceded the "Reagan Republicans"...  

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Old school Republican
My first political activity, back when I was in high school (hardly a man is now alive), was working for the Goldwater campaign.  I still think his book The Conscience of a Conservative has a good bit of political wisdom in it.  Problem is, neither major party seems to think so. Not the Democrats and certainly not the GOP.

Coming out + Vietnam + Nixon radicalized me.  I don't see any political developments on the horizon that might reverse that.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



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Tell me what else I can do
I've donated, I'll continue to donate. But I'm in SoCal, what else can I do? I agree, we can't lose Maine. We can't lose the momentum we've gained in the last year.
Hell, if it comes down to it, I'll donate my baby, my dream car, to a charity for auction.



Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing


[ Parent ]
I...wuv...your...baby...
A thing of beauty INDEED! OMG, Q- you're killing me with the fab shot... looks like NM/UT/AZ in background? No no no, do not donate Baby; I need to envision a friend driving the highways in her (although Janis Joplin's voice is ringing in my ears!)

Seriously, Q? Contact the folks at EQME and see what you can do. With your intellect, reason and communication skills, there's got to be some way to take advantage of your abilities, even cross-country...  

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[ Parent ]
But my rant aside
I do definitely agree with you, regarding the strengths and importance of grassroots and organization.

Yours is a calm and thoughtful approach; certainly that approach is taken far more seriously and has a greater impact than reactionary spoutings... (like mine).

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[ Parent ]
Old-school republican...
you mean like Abraham Lincoln?

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Yes, this should be the line in the sand for all...
and for those who it doesn't serve that purpose, there's got to be a term for that kind of person.  "Uncle Liberace"?

I've seen that argument, too.
And if it's true, if they're trying to run an end game, they're taking a HUGE risk. One thing Obama's not is a huge risk taker. I don't think this is a strategic move.

Educate me.

[ Parent ]
Errr, "end run" n/t


Educate me.

[ Parent ]
How about "Roy Cohn?"
he was dispicable

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
Some people elsewhere on the web have suggested
that the administration made the arguments as bigoted and outrageous as possible to prevent the results of an almost sure loss should the suit go forward. I'm not sure what I think about that other than we can't know for sure and we need to take this for what it is at face value.

In any case, I think we need a tax revolt. If they think they'll take financial damage from respecting us, we need to show them how much damage they'll take from continuing to leave us out.

I am the lizard queen!


Shit pretending to be Shinola....
Courts don't have to agree with EVERY point in a brief.

They could still UPHOLD DOMA on a SINGLE point and say, but the rest of your brief is homophobic nonsense, or say nothing at all about that which they disagreed.

You don't have to be a man who likes to kiss other men, or a Constitutional scholar, to get that DADT and DOMA are
INDEFENSIBLE in purely legal terms.

That's why we find a RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN powerhouse lawyer like Olsen partnering with a liberal Democrat powerhouse lawyer challenging DOMA.

I am less familiar with DOMA rulings, but I'd guess they have followed the pattern of pro military ban rulings: they end up EXPLICITLY saying, "regardless of the Constitution, this policy/law is in the best interest of the military." Or in the interest of society re marriage equality.

If ANYONE can come up with a LOGICAL excuse for his DEFENDING both laws this week I would genuinely like to hear them for, in the absence of same, any hope of seeing real equality before I die is now but a flicker in the wind.  


[ Parent ]
Listen to the silence......................


[ Parent ]
It's making me
more deaf than I already am.

I am the lizard queen!

[ Parent ]
Unforgivable
I knew he wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, but I didn't expect him to come after us swinging a legislative bat at our heads.  This is unforgivable.

Here's Jim Burroway's Take:
From Box Turtle Bulletin:

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.c...


His argument is flawed...
the cases presented do meet the definition of incest.

incest - 8 dictionary results
-noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons.
2. the crime of sexual intercourse, cohabitation, or marriage between persons within the degrees of consanguinity or affinity wherein marriage is legally forbidden.

So, maybe it wasn't as bad as what Rick Warren said........this is supposed to make us feel better?  Coming from a supposed supporter of our rights?

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As I've said before, I never expected a lot from Obama.
But I never thought he would actually work against us in this appalling fashion, either.  We might as well have Maggie Gallagher in the White House.

This is Prop 8 all over again.  Obama has provided cover for every gay-hater in the country.  How long  before we hear them crying, "But even President Obama says you're like child rapists!"

And as angry as I am at Obama--and I haven't been this furious in a long time--I'm even more furious that we'll have to come here and listen to all his dumbass apologists.  They may have enough shame to keep quiet for a day or two, but they'll be back as sure as God made little apples.  "Give him a break!"  "He has a full plate!"  He's new!"  And on and on.  And they'll be as insulting as always to the rest of us when we cry bullshit.

My favorite:  "But he's only been in office for such a short time!"  Right. Imagine how much damage he'll have done to us once he's been in office a long time.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



Now I agree
with everything that you just wrote. You might be surprised by that.

A number of those gay-haters are in his own party, after all

But:

My favorite:  "But he's only been in office for such a short time!"  Right. Imagine how much damage he'll have done to us once he's been in office a long time.

That's our job to make sure that little or no more damage is done by Obama and the Democrats.

And guess who's coming back to Chicago on Monday?  


[ Parent ]
Kev
Since I agree with both of you, it's gonna happen occassionally that you and Q can find common ground! ;)

BTW, started gathering info about Maine today, there is a visitor's center in Freeport and I grabbed bunches of stuff... oh, I do hope you can come up for awhile!

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[ Parent ]
Kev and I are pals.
When we disagree (which we do often), it's with a good measure of mutual respect.

...at least, I hope he sees it that way too.  ;)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



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Well, I GOT 4 eyes
I can't help but see it that way.:)

Now that I'm reading this motion for the first time, I get the anger, I feel it myself.

Still, our only disagreement is not that virtiol needs to be directed at Barry. I just think we need to spread the vitriol to Harry and Nancy too.


[ Parent ]
In general terms, I couldn't agree more.
I've said repeatedly that I think the entire Democratic Party, at the national level, just simply isn't there for us.

But on this issue specifically, Obama and only Obama owns it.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



[ Parent ]
The LGBT's ought to do a hit and run protest
and block streets and then dissolve again when they bring the city to gridlock while he is there......

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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I'm currently waiting for him to declare an actual war against us. arrests and killings anyone?
I know how bad that sounds but I'm kind of waiting for that, in the meantime I'll be looking into self-defense classes involving some kind of weaponry. Maybe Wushu.

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ Franรงois Marie Arouet.

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STOP...just STOP with that nonsense right now....
I bow to no one in my detailed condemnations of Obama [tho I try to do it with facts and not epithets save for ones referencing the Messianism that HE ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED].

BUT to even suggest he would support "arrests and killings" of gays simply for being gay is certifiably insane.
Please, spare us. The only shooting that's going to happen is your idiocy being shot down. But if your problem is actually just Attention From Anyone for Anything Deficiency Disorder you could always do scag drag.


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well excuse me for my cynicism, pessimism and somewhat practicality
But I'd rather be prepared for far worse to happen in the long run. and who said it had to be the use of guns? I only work for my self defense, I wouldn't go into a vigilantism spree with a hint of offense. sorry if I wrote like a fundie but I wasn't exactly emotionally stable when I posted that. I'm still not exactly stable but at least I have my reasoning back.

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ Franรงois Marie Arouet.

[ Parent ]
I'd like to point out that LGBT's are murdered regularly
at about one a week for being LGBT...and that it is only a matter of time til the wingnuttery crowd opens up on a pride parade with bombs or automatic weapons sicne the terror campaign on abortion by and large worked.

And that this administrations ostrich attitude towards right wing violence will pave the way for this to happen...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
Huh?
DOMA does not discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of federal benefits...but rather it limits federal benefits to those who have entered into the traditional form of marriage.

I got news for them, if it waddles and quacks, it is a duck!


ANOTHER shameless distortion....
This is the "the sofa was already on fire when I sat down on it" excuse Repug arsonists are so fond of using.

DOMA consciously and explicitly built upon previous understandings to DEFINE "marriage" as between a man AND a woman...entirely intentionally legislating same gender relationships OUT of federal benefits.

That sound you've been hearing is Maggie Gallager having the multiple orgasms of her life!  


[ Parent ]
Great. I have equality if I marry a guy
What utter nonsense. This is the argument that the religious right has been making for ages....

Donnie McClurkin
"God is in the Mix" during Prop 8 campaign
Rick Warren
Cabinet appointees that are on record homophobes
Making sure that he is not there for Gene Robinson's prayer
Shelving DOMA and DADT
No movement on Hate Crimes or ENDA

For God's sake, have we had enough yet?

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
Focus on the future...
All I can do now is focus on the future. Obviously we've all been lied to...our president has no interest in helping us.  I too hoped that he had some grand plan for LGBT rights, it's obvious that's completely & utterly untrue.  At least we found out before the mid-term elections.  I say we give the Repubs back some seats...start chipping away at that majority the Dems like so much...maybe they'll start to reconsider abandoning any minority.  

Or maybe I just say f**k it and move to Canada where I can actually be a REAL citizen.


"give the Repubs back some seats"
For some reason I think the democratic party might go into panic mode and think we need to move even more right if we want to win back those seats that seem to be going republican now.

I think our best effort is focus our time & money towards winning marriage equality in more states as our big show pieces, just leave this admin behind in terms of equality... we can do it with them, and work with a lot of state govs to create more pro-equality laws where we can even if they aren't as flashy as marriage equality.

For example, I fully expect my donations will be going to Equality NC instead of to Obama's re-election campaign.

And my volunteer time will go to candidates like:

Mark Kleinschmidt for Mayor (he would be only the third openly gay mayor in the triangle area of NC that I'm aware of, and the first at on of the 3 main "anchor" cities of triangle)
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[ Parent ]
How about employment and housing equality?
Trans people do not have those rights in most states and L/G's do not have them in many......

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
Disappointed, but not surprised
Obama said IIRC during the electoral season last year, that he favors domestic partnerships but personally believes that marriage is between a man and woman.  He's not on our side.  It's better than McCain would do for us, but that's not the same thing as fighting for our rights.

Just like any other politician, he'll say the things that will get him votes and then double cross us when it's no longer politically expedient for him to be our fierce advocate.

Who's surprised?  A politician that acts like every other politician-- I was hoping for better from Obama but I guess they really are all alike.  


okay, I just threw up a little in my mouth
In another thread here at the Blend, I stood on my head for the man imagining he was whispering to us "wait just a little bit longer, not LGBTs yet, health care first."

And now this.  We've been unmistakably, blatantly, publicly shat upon in the most vile, sabotaging, ugly, and unnecessary way.

I do want to learn more.  Did Eric Holder's office write this brief?  If not, who in Obama's administration wrote it?  Did Holder see and sign off on it?  Did Obama see and sign off on it?  If neither, who was the highest official to give it the green light?

The only way out—Obama must personally immediately withdraw and repudiate this motion in the strongest terms.

I have to go take a shower now.

Listen to your fairy Godmother, my dear: you will go to the ball.


Attorney General dissapointment
Attorney General Eric Holder is responsible for it as head of the Justice Department.    

I am sure HRC are baffled.  
Quote
Dec, 2008.  Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese says, "Eric Holder has recognized the deleterious effect that hate and bias crimes have not just on victims, but on entire communities. President-Elect Obama's appointment continues to prove his commitment to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community."

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.


[ Parent ]
They will have Holder at a HRC 1,000/plate fundraiser within two months
just watch...and he will be the featured speaker...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
apology and motion withdrawal not enough ... I want blood
Somebody at the DOJ needs to be fired over this.  I will accept the heads of the thugs who wrote the motion.

Listen to your fairy Godmother, my dear: you will go to the ball.

[ Parent ]
Giving the repubs back some seats
Obama might be double crossing us, or however we want to put it, but giving seats back to the GOP is one of the worst ideas in the long, sad history of bad ideas.  

The GOP isn't going to sit on their hands if they get more seats, they're going to press on like good Christian soldiers.  Obama might not be fighting for us, and the brief is definitely not a positive thing, but who thinks McCain would be doing something differently if he were in office?  I think we'd be having about a million MORE problems if the GOP had more seats in Congress.  

I don't like the prospect of voting for Obama in 2012 after all this, but unless the GOP starts nominating liberals for President, what else am I supposed to do?      


I held my nose...
when I voted for Obama.  And I voted for him only because he was the lesser of two evils.  You wait, he'll back down on single payer healthcare, too.  He has no moral center, as anyone that looked closely at him as much as two and a half years ago would have seen.

[ Parent ]
differentiation between single-payer and a government provider option
Single payer is completely off the table.  It is literally a "single-payer" system where there are no private insurers.  Blue Cross, Sigma Health, et al. ... buh-bye.  Uncle Sam covers everybody, period.

What is still on the table (for now) is a government sponsored plan in addition to existing private insurance and HMO plans.  But as we speak, repugs and blue-dog dems are busy trying to protect corporate profits derived from illness and disease by watering down the public option.  Senator Kent Conrad has proposed a non-profit co-op system not run by the government.  

Real health care reform will only happen with a government-run program 1) that doesn't have advertising expenses, outrageous CEO salaries and perks, and profit goals, and 2) that can bargain with Big Pharm for lower-cost prescription drugs.

For this to succeed, we must jump all over our Congress-peoples' asses.  Now.

Listen to your fairy Godmother, my dear: you will go to the ball.


[ Parent ]
This is totally off topic...
...and I apologize to all, but ALL that needs to be done is expand Medicare to everyone.  Obama won't go there.  He's a moral coward and if I could I'd take back my vote.

[ Parent ]
Back down on single-payer?
I don't think he was ever really for it in the first place. Mostly he talks about "universal coverage" by the same insurance companies who control the system now, with a "public option" for those who want it (I'd leap at it in a second). But yeah, I do expect he'll cave as soon as the Rs make scary faces at him.

By the time the Illinois primary came the dog-n-pony show was basically over, but I voted for Dennis Kucinich anyway, because he and Mike Gravel were the only Ds on the ballot who were flat-out no apology for marriage equality and Kucinich was flat-out no apology for single-payer and for turning our foreign policy away from insanity. But the So-Called Liberal Media had already decided there were too many candidates to bother with, and White Woman/Black Man was easier to do than actually covering issues, so they basically laughed everybody else off the stage.


[ Parent ]
atypical
I think something ulterior is going on here.  Obama's opinions on things aren't usually as callous as "all gays have to do to get marriage benefits is be straight."  Everything we've seen suggests that people's real lives matter to him more than abstract theory.  Maybe I'm being too optimistic...and yes, I'm pissed off about this too.

Maybe we're just seeing Obama's legal mind at work rather than his political mind.  Who knows, really.

Absolutely bizarre.


So you still think he has some secret plan for us?
Everything we've seen suggests that people's real lives matter to him more than abstract theory.  

Like what, may I ask?  Like his refusal to prosecute torture?  His continuation of Bush-style rendition?  He expansion of the war in Afghanistan and continuation of our military occupation of Iraq?  His continuation of the Bush approval of mountaintop clearance, with no regard for the people whose lives are damaged by it?  His defense of DADT?  

Tell us, please.  I'm agog to hear it.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



[ Parent ]
REGISTER GREEN!
This is what we get for voting for a party that doesn't have LGBT civil rights as part of their platform.

Voting for a party that supports you is NOT throwing your vote away. It is the only thing that makes sense.

REGISTER GREEN!

Do it today. If every LGBT person in the United States left the Democratic Party today, they would take notice.

But, you have to do it.

Why You Should Register Green:

Registering Green is a way of 'voting' for the kind of world you want. Join a party which stands for your values, instead of one that is the 'lesser of evils'.

Registering Green makes a clear and effective political statement. The more people who register Green, the stronger the Green Party will be, and the more all parties will take green issues and green voters seriously.

Registering Green does not limit your voting options in the general election. Since you can vote for any candidate, choosing a party is really about what you believe in.  

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


Didn't people try that nine years ago.
I recall it resulting in a disaster not seen since the thirties.

I am the lizard queen!

[ Parent ]
Obviously, the Democrats didn't learn from it
So, we've got to make them realize that it can happen again.

If they don't give us what we demand, we will defect from their party and the GOP will rise again.

If people start dropping out of the Democratic party, they will notice.

You don't have to vote for the candidate of the party you register with. But, if enough names are taken off the Democratic rolls, they will realize that they could lose again.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
You missed my point.
We're still trying to measure how much damage we've taken in the last eight years. We won't survive another four.

I am the lizard queen!

[ Parent ]
I got your point
It is just that I think you're wrong.

We won't survive eight years of Obama, either.

You would rather vote for a pretender who stabs us in the back.

I would rather vote for a candidate who supports my rights, even if that candidate is certain to lose.

You'll still lose your way, but you won't have any self-respect. You voted for a man who states publicly that he doesn't believe you should have the right to marry. He thinks you are less than human.

Don't vote for a candidate or belong to a party that believes you are less than human.

And, believing that you can't marry is exactly that. Denying a basic human right means that you think that a person is less than human.

How much worse can it get?

Obama won't repeal DADT. He supports DOMA.

How is he different from Bush?

He won't end the war. It will probably go on for years.

Change? The only thing that has changed are the intials on the White House towels.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
In a choice between the lesser of two evils
I consider myself to only have one choice. I try to look at the long term. In any case, having our votes is not the same as having our time or money. It is by withholding our time and money that we will change them. We need to send a message that, while most of our votes are guaranteed, until they start addressing our issues, we have no reason to help them get more. The entire LGBT community is less than 10% of the entire population, withholding our votes is not much of a threat. Withholding the disproportionate amount of time and money we give them is.

I am the lizard queen!

[ Parent ]
Damn right, Fritz
Glad to see you back. I agree with every word you've just said.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

[ Parent ]
Actually, in partnership with business republican, we could take over the GOP
since business republicans have had their fill of the fundies.....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
I agree
and I voted Green in 2000 (in a reliably safe blue state).

But it is not simply about Presidential candidates. It's about voting Green for dog catcher, for the school board, etc...


[ Parent ]
Alternative to Green
Since there is so much simplistic controversy surrounding 3rd party affiliation (and let's please not start it again...booorring) I suggest we un-register from Democrats where possible.

In CA we can register as "decline to state" where there is no affiliation.  Dems can't count on us then.

I swear to God this MUST be the final insult.

IF we don't declare independence from THAT goddamned political party after this I don't even want to be affiliated with gays. ANY LGBT org that sides with, works with, or associates itself with Democrats should be severing ties TODAY.

Barney, Tammy and Jared better be pulling out of the June 25 fundraiser in DC (https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute/dc261) or they can also expect to be ostracized.

These people do NOT represent me or my family or my friends.  

This, my friends, is war.


[ Parent ]
Platform counts
The reason I suggest Green is that they are the only party that inculdes LGBT civil rights in their platform.

That may be "boring" to you, but I think we have to start looking out for our own interests.

If we have to start an LGBT party, perhaps we should.  

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
not true
the democratic party platform includes lgbt civil rights.

My biggest complaint about the green party, among many complaints, is that their supporters don't know what the heck they're talking about. Please don't propagate that phenomenon.  


[ Parent ]
So you think Obama supporters knew what they were talking about?
Be serious.

And as for party platforms, they're PR documents, nothing more. NO politician feels bound by his party's platform.  None.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



[ Parent ]
im not being dismissive
I'm simply voicing an alternative that might also have an impact on DNC rolls.

I will get more information about why it hurts them beyond the obvious reasons and what difference, if any, there is between declining to state and registering with Green or Independent or Socialist.

What is boring to me is what happened in a post here the other day when the conversation digressed into the same freaking chatter about 2000, Nader, Bush, Gore, Iraq, Mars, blah blah blah, terrorism, 9/11.  

I don't give a shit about that anymore and I have no interest in getting anywhere near the can of worms that sends everyone into LaLa land about "what if."  

No offense was ever directed at you, Fritz, and I apologize if my inartful comment wasn't clear.

I would do anything to hurt the DNC right now.  Seriously.  Let's get creative.  


[ Parent ]
Or we could vote for Dems that support us, really support us
Gravel and Kuckinch did
We didn't support them.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
I did that
when the Dems handed over SCOTUS on a silver platter. What else is left, but not giving them my vote?

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing

[ Parent ]
WTF!?


Typical Railroader-Tired, Broke, Hungry, Sick, and Mad

WTF
Is this bullshit or what?
What is this idiot trying to do, get everyone from the LGBT community to the neo-nazi's pissed off at him at once?

He's doing a good job of it so far.

Time to vote for someone else in four years this asshole sold us all out.

Typical Railroader-Tired, Broke, Hungry, Sick, and Mad


Sad
Well then.  There we have it.  I can't wrap my mind around this.  

I straight up feel like a fool for all the campaigning I did for Obama.  

Since he took office this man has done nothing but empower the other side.  Wow, just wow.

Also wanted to add this is my first post.  I love this blog and Pam and everyone else does an awesome job!


Welcome! :)
Wish your first were on happier news, but "Hi!" all the same..

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[ Parent ]
This is like a bad dream
I want to wake up.

Contact the White House
Please don't forget to send an e-mail to the White House regarding this.  The address is

http://www.whitehouse.gov/cont...

Obama has stated on a number of occasions that he doesn't read blogs.  Large numbers of comments on this on the White House cite will better catch his attention.


Here's what I sent
Dear Mr. President,

I was dismayed when I found out that the Department of Justice had filed a motion to dismiss Smelt and Hammer's suit contesting the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.  During your campaign, you pledged to work to overturn this Act.  However, this dismay is overshadowed by the shocking and appalling content of the motion.  

The motion in question compares same-sex marriage to incest and polygamy.  It also claims that persons who are deeply in love with a person of their own sex should marry persons they do not love of the opposite sex merely to obtain the benefits of marriage.

Your presidency has been compared to that of John F. Kennedy.  Like Kennedy, you have promised much to a historically disadvantaged group of American citizens.  However, I hope that unlike Kennedy, you actually manage to effect real change during your administration.

I ask you to instruct the Justice Department to withdraw this insulting motion.  Until then, Mr. President, you have lost my support.

I remain,

Your fellow citizen,

(my full name here)

Marriage equality.  Now with 50% more cake.

equalitycake.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
I smell Something...
B.O.--it stinks!

If you're a fan of The White House
on facebook, make sure to comment on their wall that you oppose this defense of inequality:
http://www.new.facebook.com/ho...


[ Parent ]
EQCA mass e-mail to tell Obama to STOP
defending marriage inequality:

http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?...

We have to do more, but we can all send that.


I read this and heard: States' Rights
Period.

Educate me.

And Tony West was a partner at Morrison & Foerster's SF (primary) office...
He was on the case defending the "American Taliban," John Walker Lindh. He was one of the few minority partners at MoFo. The chair of MoFo is openly gay. MoFo has a rep as a hippie firm, but at the end of the day, it's about the almighty dollar: http://www.law.com/jsp/article...

(sorry to go all inside baseballsy)

Educate me.


[ Parent ]
RIGHT about MOFO $$$$
Attornies at MOFO, gay and straight, asked their chair, who's always taking bows as an out gay legal god, to have MOFO go on record opposing Prop H8TE [they're headquarted in San Francisco].

He REFUSED. Nor did the firm give any money to fight it. The most HE gave, last time I looked, was $5000 which is PENNIES next to his probable annual income.  

SF HQed Orrick, Herrington, & Sutcliff, like MOFO, has a 100% rating from HRC, and is always patting itself on the back for sponsoring a gay lawyers job fair and their gay diversity committee [which ONLY attorneys can be on even tho they have a larger number of NON-attorney employees] also refused. Their rich chair only gave $1000 last time I looked.

It was ALL about fear they'd lose antigay clients!!!


[ Parent ]
Liberty University???
The thought occurs to me that there's a possibility that that offensive filing might have been drafted by one of the Bush holdovers at the DOJ.  Remember that they hired dozens of graduates of Liberty University's law school, Pat Robertson's diploma mill.  A lot of them were hired under civil service and will be there for years.

Not to beat the anti-Mormon drum. Well, yeah, I'm beating it...
From my FB account:

"Would it surprise you that the hate filled brief comparing gay equal rights to incest and peole [sic] marrying children was written by a mormon?"

[someone asks who the Mormon is]

"Scott Simpson the chief trial attorney. Certainly his superiors, including the newly appointed AAG whose name is also on the brief, right on up to Obama himself also share blame. But the nastiness of the arguments come from the author of the brief, who is the Chief Trial Attorney."

Educate me.


[ Parent ]
Very interesting.
No wonder the vitrol in the brief.  
No matter what anti gay mormon chief trial lawyer wrote this, it's the Obama administration against us.

My local Democrat elected officials are all pro equality.  But I would never dream of giving money to a generic national fund...because this is the type of treatment we get.

ps I also voted Green for pres.  I have that luxury being in California.  After  Obama's dismissive answer about gay marriage during the LOGO "debates" I didin't have to know any more.  Go back and look at that sound bite everyone. Big O is no friend to GLBT citizens.  Letting a bush hangover mormon write this brief is just another example.


[ Parent ]
There are several names on the brief.
Just read this over at americablog:
Tony West, the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division, is on the [DOMA] brief. He's from Oakland, California, and is a former prosecutor who then, while an attorney at Morrison & Foerster, defended John Walker Lindh, the "American Taliban." He also was the co-chairman of Obama's fundraising committee. This is an Obama person. And his name is on this brief.

Doesn't change much.

[ Parent ]
Chances are...
...he's a supervising attorney and I'll bet he never read it, just signed it.  It's still his responsibility of course.  I'd like to see both the author of that incompetent travesty and West dressed in sackcloth and ashes and led out of the DOJ building with ropes around their necks.

I just got back inside from scraping the Obama sticker off my car...


[ Parent ]
The brief would have been assigned
by the division head in doj...
They assigned it to this gentleman knowing full well what he would be likely to do with it.

They did so knowing that what he wrote would be considered the official position of the Government of the United States.

The Government of the United States says that we have equal marriage rights, since we can enter into heterosexual marriages.

The Government of the United States officially says that saving money is a higher prioriity than human equality

The Government of the United States compares gay marriage participants to incest perps, officially.

and they did so with clear eyes, knowingly and intentionally when they assigned this brief to its' author.

And, given the political explosiveness of the issue to begin with the AG would have at least been briefed and he would have briefed President Obama as such a brief is a legal declaration of policy and position.

Admittedly, between the flight Amsterdam and the drive to the Hague, and the endless badgering of colleagues about this I am irritable, but what I have stated above is accurate, procedurally and legally.

This is how a case is assigned to an underling and this is the legal import of the brief, not only insulting, but an offiial position...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
My Major brain fart...
I meant, of course, Regent University Law School.  THAT'S Pat Robertson's diploma mill and that's where the crop of incompetent "lawyers" was recuited.

[ Parent ]
Who else are we going to vote for? The Republicans?
I am sick to death of this shit. Any non-American willing to sponsor me for a job? I feel motivated to move to a relatively civilized country, which at this point is just about anywhere else.

Plus รงa change, plus c'est la mรชme merde.

Seriously -- I'm about to "throw my vote away" on the Socialists


Educate me.

[ Parent ]
If you want the job done right, you have to do it yourself
Okay, so I fell for it too. And yeah, it stings like mad. Still, there is a lesson to be learned here, and it would do us well to learn it quick.

NEITHER party represents our interests, or ever will. That shoudl have been apparent when both Gore and Kerry ran as fast as they could from the GLBT community during their campaigns, when Clinton voted for DOMA and DADT. I've been to Clinton's library, which is basically a series of tiles with little writeups about the events of his Presidency in front of some memorabilia. The GLBT community gets just one of those tiles, and on it it talks about how DADT 'was never applied as it had been intended to be'. Interestingly, all mention of DOMA is absent-it would be pretty hard to argue that DOMA was not Clinton's fault, that it was just the fault of those who has implemented it improperly.

Now, donating money to the Democrats will just bring more of the same-Obama will assume that as long as he can attract dollars to his account, he's doing what he should be doing. If you want to send him a message that he's not doing what you want him to do, donate that money to the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund-all the money goes to elect GLBT candidates.

The idea behind the Victory Fund is this: Obama, like every other politician, will say whatever he has to to win. He can afford to change his mind later, because he himself is not gay; our civil rights or lack thereof does not apply to him on any personal level, he has no stake in our survival or prosperity or happiness. He has no reason to care, so long as he can get a better funding stream from someone else. Besides, who else are you gonna donate to, Sarah Palin?

However, a GLBT person cannot escape the subject of GLBT civil rights, since those are their own rights. It is not just in their backyard, it's on their doorstep, and they can't get past it without dealing with it. So stop electing heterosexuals to advocate for you.

Elect your own kind. Nobody else can understand GLBT issues like a GLBT person.

http://www.victoryfund.org/home

Because every heterosexual you ever donate to will ultimately betray you, just like Obama did.

Vote smart. Vote for your own.

My dad was a steelworker
My mom was a kitchen girl
and that's why
I'm a socialist.
-from an old song I used to hum to myself


How To Fund Heterosexual Privilege Within A Theocracy
"The constitutional propriety of Congress's decision to decline to extend federal benefits immediately to newly recognized types of marriages is bolstered by Congress's articulated interest in preserving the scarce resources of both the federal and State governments"

"To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources, surely a legitimate government purpose."

           ===================================

Yes.   Despite being tax-payering Americans, we can't burden the Federal Government by having our own money (i.e. - our own tax dollars) trickle down to us.

In other words - "FUCK YOU, FAGS, but keep paying your taxes".

...and folks think I'm the "crazy one" for advocating a Tax Revolt; that's rich.

Decades MORE of Psychological Abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!


Obama: Once the toast of the LGBT community
Now he's just toast.

Tony West's bio
Jan. 2009 - President Obama on Thursday nominated Oakland attorney Tony West, a former federal prosecutor and prolific Obama campaign fundraiser, to head the U.S. Department of Justice's civil division.

West, 43, is a litigation partner at Morrison & Foerster in San Francisco, representing people and companies in civil and criminal matters since 2001; perhaps his highest-profile case there has been helping to defend "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh.

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.


Some familiar words just popped to mind
“In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.”

Lucy has some ‘splainin to do.


Hee can't piss me off anymore,
  I gave up on him along timme ago. Funny thing is, as a Transsexual, I know how it feels to be crapped on by Democratic politicians.  This just proves my point. When a political group is willing to shit on one part of the LGBT community, they will shit on the entire LGBT community.

 But I will take a suggestion from another commenter, Instead of writting in EQUALITY, I will write in LT Choa.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


Yes
"Friends, is this is the watershed mark, the line in the sand, the utter moral betrayal of this administration in black and white? Does this mean that we are not only expendable to this Administration, but  that it has decided we can also be vilified as a constituency at will and not receive any blowback? "

Yes to all.  Obama has damaged us far worse than Bush ever did.    

"If a bullet should go through my head let that bullet go through every closet door."
Harvey Milk


O.V.E.R.
And on the anniversary of Loving vs. Va.

Happy Pride.

I am so over this backstabbing betrayer I really cannot put it into words. It's so much worse to be betrayed by one you trusted and had such hope in.

No more.


Someone get Cheney to speak in front of the Stonewall
in favour of our rights.....
An audience of gays and Lesbians cheering Dick Cheney is the only thing that would finally get thgough to the Administration that we've had with them.....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

You asked for it
...you got it.



In spite of the claims of the Obama Administration this isn't a legal question or one dealing with constitutional duties.
That's a smokescreen used by the DoJ and the Obama Administration in general to cover their increasingly hostile attacks on our agenda and their now much more open bigotry.

This is above all a political question and one which conclusively places the Obama Administration and the Democrats as a whole in the enemy camp. They can no longer pretend to be 'fierce defenders'. Like the more honestly bigoted Republicans, the Democrats, not just Obama but the Democrats in his Cabinet and in Congress are now open fierce enemies.

Describing backstabbers like Obama a poster at Queerty once said "Democrats on the other hand are like pet snakes, feed em, keep em warm, but dont trust em that much because just when you think they're your friends..."

Obama and the Democrat leadership as a whole, like the Republicans, are right centrists. (I'm not speaking of those who blundered and voted for them but the owners and leaders of that party.) The Democrats were right centrist before the election. Ironically, since the election it's the Republicans who are lying about being centrists while the Democrats who are moving to the right.

When will the people who misled the movement into voting for Obama begin to draw lessons from their mistakes?

People who bungled and voted for Obama or the Democrats got McCain and the Republicans anyway, or at least their politics. With Democrats like Obama, Biden and the Clintons who really needs Republicans?

 

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


I'm not so sure what to believe anymore
I feel like breaking down but I can't. Im honestly speechless. I can't really say anything on this without feeling so entirely helpless. This is I guess simply put, the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen. I swear this is.  

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ Franรงois Marie Arouet.

civil disobedience
it's all we have left.

[ Parent ]
If gays don't need marriage, marriage doesn't need gays
I've thought for a long time that LGBT-owned businesses in states without marriage equality should refuse to offer services to weddings.  We'll see how many brides - and mothers of the bride - can cope without Jay the caterer, Enrique the hairdresser, and Stephanie the cellist.  

Marriage equality.  Now with 50% more cake.

equalitycake.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
Unfortunately that not all we have left
The last resort of every oppressed class throughout history has been violence.

Sadly, I think eight years of Obama will result in no gains for LGBT people and a few people will eventually resort to terrorism.

That is how it has always been. That is how it always will be.

In five or six years, I predict we will see suicide bombers and all of the other nasty things that have happened in the past.

There are zealots in every movement. The LGBT civil rights movement is no different.

Hopeless, angry people can do very ugly things. Get ready for it.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
Bull.
Terrorism and violence are the tools of those who've lost and feel hopeless and not the path to victory.

Don't get ready for that because we haven't lost. Obama's now more open hostility will lead to more and larger mass demonstrations and it doesn't matter if they're national, regional or local. It'll lead to larger and larger number so people irrevocably breaking with the two parties of war, bigotry and economic chaos.

The next and most important goal for GLBT people is to build a democratically run, militant nationwide LGBT Left to lead our own communities and to position ourselves to help lead the general radicalization as it unfolds.

The last thing we need is some SDS Weatherman idiots trying to substitute themselves for mass action.    

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


[ Parent ]
I hope that doesn't happen
Civil disobedience =! terrorism. Block traffic. Boycott. Don't pay your taxes. Picket. Demonstiate... those are all acceptable, non-violent ways to make our points, with gusto.  

[ Parent ]
Behind the times
What's additionally sad is that this so-called forward looking president is totally behind the times. The country is moving past him on this issue, state-by-state. Even Pat Buchanan declared the cultural war against gay marriage was lost. Obama's not even as advanced in his thinking as Buchanan? Amazing, and deeply troubling, that it seems his administration will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into recognizing GLBT equality.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

When will the people who misled the movement into voting for Obama begin to draw lessons from their mistakes?
Lev, explain why you voted for this bigot just one more time. Was it becasue he was the lesser bigot? Better than McCain? Better than Clinton, the champion of DOMA?  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  

[ Parent ]
Presidential powers are limited in peculiar ways.
 FDR once told a group of labor leaders, with whose policy recommendations he agreed, that "now you must force me to do what you want me to do." No president, no matter how charismatic, can single-handedly defeat entrenched political interests which are organized and united around a common objective. Unless, that is, popular interests unite and organize as well, so at this point a president can be empowered to accomplish what he wanted to do in the first place.

[ Parent ]
I love that phrase of FDR's
And that is our charge.

Or, to paraphrase an old Cynic, "Stand out of the way of my sunlight."


[ Parent ]
This is so insulting!
I am now (finally) reading this document I couldn't read it at work.

This is so highly insulting and I haven't even got to the good stuff.

Some of the phrases that stick out in my mind:

"forum shopping"

"an allegation that they had married under California law" (wouldn't you have had to produce a certificate?)

and throwing in that garbage statement from the Judicaiary committee hearings on DOMA in 1996 about all sorts of different (and mostly familial) relations.

And I ain't got to the stuff y'all are talking about.

Heads need to roll about this bullshit! I get ya now.


Yes, I saw the "allegation" part
So I am obviously only allegedly married......

and the equivalent of an incest perp

and fully capable of attaining full marriage rights provided that I divorce my wife and marry a man....

'cause his fripping "God" is in the mix...
in a secular republic.....

we should do hit and run protests blocking streets wherever he goes......and them melt away when the police come, a continuous reign of annoyance.....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
Time to cast a cold eye
on what's really happening here, and not to let our understandable outrage about the Justice Department brief blind us to the political realities of this situation.
 1. This brief was not written by the White House, nor by anyone in the White House, nor by anyone in the chain of command directly and lawfully controlled from the White House.  It was written by U.S. Attorneys in the Department of Justice specifically to defend DOMA against a specific suit.
 2. Folks who are calling on Obama to intervene personally in this matter seem to forget that one of the reasons we supported Obama was that he was NOT George W. Bush, and that--unlike Bush and his corrupt band of cronies (think Alberto Gonzalez et al)--Obama will not interfere directly into internal DOJ governance and decision-making.  When the Bush administration did that we ended up with disasters: legal memos that defended torture and led to its increased use; a Civil Rights Division that was reduced to the Republican Party talking points of defending so-called "white peoples' rights" and ignoring gerrymandering and voting-rights offenses against minority citizens; the firing of DDA's who refused to engage in politicized prosecutions of state lawmakers, voters and voting-rights groups.
 3. Have we become so inured to the Bush administration's bad governance that we will now insist that the Obama administration act in an equally unlawful and equally stupid way, just because our cause is just?  I, for one, do not want that taint.

The Department of Justice is part of the Executive Branch
and President Obama can and should insist upon responsible legal scholarship from the Department, not a ground out rehash of Santorum speeches. The President is ultimately responsible for the Attorney General and his employees.

This brief is beyond bad, the implications that it contains will come back to haunt us in the hands of our enemies again and agin, just as President Obama's statements about marriage did

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
Whether Obama signed off on this brief or not,
it came out of his DOJ.  One way or the other, it is the president who sets policy, not DOJ or any of its functionaries.  If Obama never made clear to Holder that he (allegedly) wants to see DOMA overturned, then this is still on his head.  If he made that policy crystal clear and the DOJ went ahead with this anyway, then heads must roll.  If Holder signed off on it, he needs to go.  If it was someone lower in the food chain than him, then that person needs to go.  

But no matter how you slice it, this happened on Obama's watch, and the ultimate responsibility is his.  And if he does not order the department to amend or withdraw it, the culpability will be doubly his.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



[ Parent ]
By all means
stand on your principles, and continue to defend him. I'm sure that will serve you well in the gulag. You'll probably get the bunk with the window.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing

[ Parent ]
Two more things...
On Monday morning I will be changing my voter registration in California from Democratic to "Decline to State."  I will then make a copy of the registration form and send it along with a very strong letter to our local Democratic party HQ explaining just why I've taken the action that I have.

Second, this quote from Nietzsche is apt:

"What upsets me is not that you lied to me, but that I can no longer believe you."


Let's Hear Exactly Where You Stand
I found the following paragraph in the San Francisco Chronicle: SF Gate: "The Justice Department issued a statement saying Obama wants the law repealed "because it prevents LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) couples from being granted equal rights and benefits. However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system."

It would be really great if we truly all knew exactly where our President stood on this issue.  Is he going to defend the rights LGBT people, help with the issues of health care, help with the economy or none of the above?  What else is he going to not do that he promised during his campaign?  

The President just declared June as LGBT Month, is this how he helps us celebrate?  What else are we to look forward to from him?  What do you think we will see?  


Don't take this
Advice from outside the country...

Whatever ya do, don't use this as an excuse to throw up your hands in apathy, "oh politicians can't be trusted," "in 4 years I'll vote for Nader/Ron Paul". That's not how anything gets done. You need to hold Obama's feet to the fire. Scream your bloody heads off. Flood his office with phone calls and emails, march on Washington, follow him around asking "why aren't you keeping your promise" relentlessly, alert the media, keep up the media pressure, go on strike if you can. Bring back the sit-in! You have to make such a stink--make this the summer of gay rights, become the Gay Noise Machine--that it becomes a public embarrassment for Obama.

Good news is I do think he's susceptible to public pressure/humiliation because he isn't an ideologue. There is no perfect candidate, and America isn't going to get anyone lefter than a milquetoast centrist like Obama, so don't sit on your ass waiting for somebody better in 4 years. Now is the time. Take your rights.


[ Parent ]
No, he isn't an ideologue. He's a Christianist.
And he told us so, very clearly, during the campaign.  He will no more respond to pressure from us than do Dobson, Robertson and the rest of their clan.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  

-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



[ Parent ]
professional ethics as an excuse
It's an excuse used over and over again, it is probably an excuse that is taught in law schools around the country, but so what?  Should one tolerate the argument "Professional ethics compelled me to act indecently"?  I don't think so.

need some facts
At JJP there is a debate about what President Obama just did. The thread that is catching is that there were no cases filed against DOMA by the Homosexual community or anyone else prior to the one President Obama just filed against. I am of the belief no case has gotten this far though I note Pam has said this is the first federal one. I don't believe it is true and I will google and wikeipedia the subject to find out. Does  anyone here have another source to confirm or deny this? It is 5:18pm EST Sat 13 Jun 2009

"The gay community", please


[ Parent ]
Make Him Pay
I'm with the person who said they were going to give him a couple of days to disavow this horrible brief. I'm still somewhat in a state of shock.

However, should he fail to come out with a strong statement disavowing it, or worse yet, should he affirm it (who knows, anything seems to be possible right about now?), then I have a modest proposal as to how to show our disapproval in a way that will make politicians sit up and take notice: take back our donations.

I contributed the maximum allowable amount to the Obama campaign in the primaries and several hundred dollars more in the general election. As it happens, I consistently used my American Express card to make these donations. AmEx will tear your arms off if you get on their bad side, but they're an excellent friend to have, should someone wrong you -- IF the transaction in question was made using your AmEx card.

In the past I've successfully challenged scurrilous charges from several vendors, including a moving company that failed to show up three times in a row, an online company that failed to deliver the services I paid for, etc. In each case, AmEx went to bat for me and won!

If the Obama Campaign / Presidency does not disavow the brief, I will contact American Express and demand that all of the money donated to the Obama Presidential Campaign using my card be returned. The grounds? Simple: FRAUD.

Obama clearly stated during the election that he would fight hard to repeal DOMA -- all of it. It was his strong pro-equality statements like this that earned my support, financial and otherwise. If this brief stands, Mr. Obama will have demonstrated that he was being disingenuous as to the stated services proffered by his campaign. Call it a breech of contract, if you will.

Will the Obama Campaign comply? Almost certainly not. Will AmEx even really go to bat for me (and any like-minded customers)? Who knows? But either way, the point will have been made.

In addition to that, I've taken to sending back the postage-paid envelopes from the DSCC (Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee) with a brief note saying something like, "Pass UAFA. Then ask me for more money."

Does that have any impact? Who knows. But we've got to start somewhere. I'm beyond tired of being played the fool by supposedly gay-friendly politicians while they pay no discernible price for their treachery.

ENOUGH!


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