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HRC blasts the President in open letter about the administration's DOMA hate brief

by: Pam Spaulding

Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 14:47:54 PM EDT


Mark your calendars for this rarity -- I have to say that on this one, HRC's Joe Solmonese has politely delivered a strong message. After tepid, technical responses by most of our advocacy orgs to the heinous anti-gay DOMA hate brief that the Obama Department of Justice produced the other day, below is a sorely-needed tough letter to the President.

This time, your voices got through that clinical responses to a brief that dehumanizes and demonizes us and unnecessarily hands over a primer on anti-equality arguments to the right wing are unacceptable -- this brief's arguments could set back LGBT civil rights who knows for how long. The letter:

June 15, 2009
President Barack H. Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

I have had the privilege of meeting you on several occasions, when visiting the White House in my capacity as president of the Human Rights Campaign, a civil rights organization representing millions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people across this country. You have welcomed me to the White House to express my community's views on health care, employment discrimination, hate violence, the need for diversity on the bench, and other pressing issues. Last week, when your administration filed a brief defending the constitutionality of the so-called "Defense of Marriage Act,"1 I realized that although I and other LGBT leaders have introduced ourselves to you as policy makers, we clearly have not been heard, and seen, as what we also are: human beings whose lives, loves, and families are equal to yours. I know this because this brief would not have seen the light of day if someone in your administration who truly recognized our humanity and equality had weighed in with you.

So on behalf of my organization and millions of LGBT people who are smarting in the aftermath of reading that brief, allow me to reintroduce us. You might have heard of Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon. They waited 55 years for the state of California to recognize their legal right to marry. When the California Supreme Court at last recognized that right, the octogenarians became the first couple to marry. Del died after the couple had been legally married for only two months. And about two months later, their fellow Californians voted for Proposition 8.

Across this country, same-sex couples are living the same lives that Phyllis and Del so powerfully represent, and the same lives as you and your wife and daughters. In over 99% of U.S.2 counties, we are raising children and trying to save for their educations; we are committing to each other emotionally and financially. We are paying taxes, serving on the PTA, struggling to balance work and family, struggling to pass our values on to our children-through church, extended family, and community. Knowing us for who we are-people and families whose needs and contributions are no different from anyone else's-destroys the arguments set forth in the government's brief in Smelt. As you read the rest of what I have to say, please judge the brief's arguments with this standard: would this argument hold water if you acknowledge that Del and Phyllis have contributed as much to their community as their straight neighbors, and that their family is as worthy of respect as your own?

Reading the brief, one is told again and again that same-sex couples are so unlike different-sex couples that unequal treatment makes sense. But the government doesn't say what makes us different, or unequal, only that our marriages are "new." The fact that same-sex couples were denied equal rights until recently does not justify denying them now.

For example, the brief seems to adopt the well-worn argument that excluding same-sex couples from basic protections is somehow good for other married people:

Because all 50 States recognize hetero-sexual marriage, it was reasonable and rational for Congress to maintain its longstanding policy of fostering this traditional and universally-recognized form of marriage.
The government does not state why denying us basic protections promotes anyone else's marriage, nor why, while our heterosexual neighbors' marriages should be promoted, our own must be discouraged. In other words, the brief does not even attempt to explain how DOMA is related to any interest, but rather accepts that it is constitutional to attempt to legislate our families out of existence.

The brief characterizes DOMA as "neutral:"

[DOMA amounts to] a cautious policy of federal neutrality towards a new form of marriage.
DOMA is not "neutral" to a federal employee serving in your administration who is denied equal compensation because she cannot cover her same-sex spouse in her health plan. When a woman must choose between her job and caring for her spouse because they are not covered by the FMLA, DOMA is not "neutral." DOMA is not a "neutral" policy to the thousands of bi-national same-sex couples who have to choose between family and country because they are considered strangers under our immigration laws. It is not a "neutral" policy toward the minor child of a same-sex couple, who is denied thousands of dollars of surviving mother's or father's benefits because his parents are not "spouses" under Social Security law.

Exclusion is not neutrality.

Next, the brief indicates that denying gay people our equal rights saves money:

It is therefore permitted to maintain the unique privileges [the government] has afforded to [different-sex marriages] without immediately extending the same privileges, and scarce government resources, to new forms of marriage that States have only recently begun to recognize.
The government goes on to say that DOMA reasonably protects other taxpayers from having to subsidize families like ours. The following excerpt explains:
DOMA maintains federal policies that have long sought to promote the traditional and uniformly-recognized form of marriage, recognizes the right of each State to expand the traditional definition if it so chooses, but declines to obligate federal taxpayers in other States to subsidize a form of marriage that their own states do not recognize.
These arguments completely disregard the fact that LGBT citizens pay taxes ourselves. We contribute into Social Security equally and receive the same statement in the mail every year. But for us, several of the benefits listed in the statement are irrelevant-our spouses and children will never benefit from them. The parent who asserts that her payments into Social Security should ensure her child's financial future should she die is not seeking a subsidy. The gay White House employee who works as hard as the person in the next office is not seeking a "subsidy" for his partner's federal health benefits. He is earning the same compensation without receiving it. And the person who cannot even afford to insure her family because the federal government would treat her partner's benefits as taxable income-she is not seeking a subsidy.

The government again ignores our experiences when it argues that DOMA ยง 2 does not impair same-sex couples' right to move freely about our country as other families can:

DOMA does not affect "the right of a citizen of one State to enter and to leave another state, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than an unfriendly alien when temporarily present in the second State."
This example shows the fallacy of that argument: a same-sex couple and their child drives cross-country for a vacation. On the way, they are in a terrible car accident. One partner is rushed into the ICU while the other, and their child, begs to be let in to see her, presenting the signed power of attorney that they carry wherever they go. They are told that only "family" may enter, and the woman dies alone while her spouse waits outside. This family was not "welcome."

As a matter of constitutional law, some of this brief does not even make sense:

DOMA does not discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of federal benefits.... Section 3 of DOMA does not distinguish among persons of different sexual orientations, but rather it limits federal benefits to those who have entered into the traditional form of marriage.
In other words, DOMA does not discriminate against gay people, but rather only provides federal benefits to heterosexuals.
The letter continues below the fold. Solmonese addresses the "incest" defense in the brief.
Pam Spaulding :: HRC blasts the President in open letter about the administration's DOMA hate brief
I cannot overstate the pain that we feel as human beings and as families when we read an argument, presented in federal court, implying that our own marriages have no more constitutional standing than incestuous ones:
And the courts have widely held that certain marriages, performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with the public policy of the forum. See e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened public policy of th[at] state." 3
As an American, a civil rights advocate, and a human being, I hold this administration to a higher standard than this brief. In the course of your campaign, I became convinced-and I still want to believe-that you do, too. I have seen your administration aspire and achieve. Protecting women from employment discrimination. Insuring millions of children. Enabling stem cell research to go forward. These are powerful achievements. And they serve as evidence to me that this brief should not be good enough for you. The question is, Mr. President-do you believe that it's good enough for us?

If we are your equals, if you recognize that our families live the same, love the same, and contribute as much as yours, then the answer must be no. We call on you to put your principles into action and send legislation repealing DOMA to Congress.

Sincerely,
Joe Solmonese

[1] Smelt v. United States of America, Case No. SACV09-00286, Defendants' Motion to Dismiss and Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support Thereof (June 11, 2009).

[2] Gates, Gary G. and Jason Ost. The Gay & Lesbian Atlas. District of Columbia: Urban Institute Press, 2004.

[3] In fact, in the majority of relevant cases, courts have recognized the out-of-state marriage. See e.g. Pearson, 51 Cal. 120 (1875) (recognizing the marriage of a white man and black woman entered into in Utah that would have been invalid under California's anti-miscegenation statute), see also McDonald v. McDonald, 58 P.2d 163 (Cal. 1936) (recognizing in Nevada marriage between a husband and his wife although the husband was only eighteen, a violation of California marriage laws).

Now with the carrot, comes the stick. There is no call for the administration to use its bully pulpit to move our legislation. Sending it passively up to the Hill's jellyfish leadership is akin to not sending it at all.

Also, what happens next if the President thumbs his nose at this letter? The gauntlet has been thrown down with an appeal to decency. Is the Obama administration going to toss this in the ashcan (hello, Rahm)? This is the dilemma that HRC faces as our advocacy group on the Hill. Now the WH knows HRC is angry, will it call a bluff of some kind, as in "you have nowhere else to go"?

Seriously, I'm glad this letter is finally heading to the President, but considering the callous way our issues have been treated -- by Obama's silence and the evasive contempt of Robert Gibbs, it's highly likely that the response will be silence or, humorously (NOT), telling us that they "feel for us" and again toss out "we had to do it" and try to take our eye off of the DOMA ball with the acceleration of hate crimes legislation.  There needs to be a plan to follow up any response to the WH that doesn't look like a retreat or a whimper.

Related:
* HRC pens letter to Obama over hate brief . John:

At this point, I think the community is far beyond the point of Obama "sending" legislation, and then doing nothing to get it passed. We want action. Action on DOMA, DADT and ENDA. We expect the president to stop filing briefs on behalf of DOMA, to actually lift a finger, or even two, to get DOMA passed, and to stop discharging gay soldiers, immediately. (ENDA is its own nightmare - I don't think it's going anywhere.) Submitting legislation will simply not cut. I sincerely hope the administration doesn't think it will.
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Joe's a*s was OUT!
And he damn well knows it, too. (lol)

As far as Barry is concerned (to backtrack from my colorful acronyms) who knows? Obama could well call, he has the political back-up to do so. But how would that look in the eyes of the international community (which is watching)

If Barry continues to say nothing then lets make Gibbs life a living hell for this.

Oh, and did this letter go to Harry and Nancy too? Let's not leave them out of all of this "good stuff?"


Speaking of Harry
I say we flood the WH and Congress with howlers:




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[ Parent ]
we will get the same message
from the white house that we have been getting....

We had to do it, DOMA is that law.  PLease convince your members of congress to work to end DOMA, because I (Obama) don't plan to do anything to get congress to move.  If you thought that's what I menat by fierce advocacy and bully pulpit, I'm sorry you misunderstood what I meant.


I'm tuning him out
I have stopped reading about or watching the President's addresses, appearances, speeches.  I don't care any more.  When he starts treating the GLBT community as equal to everyone else in the country, then he will command my attention again.  

Soujourner Truth famously asked, "Ain't I a woman?" My questions to this administration:

"Ain't I a human?  Ain't I a citizen?  Ain't I an American?"

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


Unfortuantely
it seems the Administration's answer to your questions is, "Well, not a REAL person, citizen or American."

[ Parent ]
Since the hate brief
refers to our marriages as "alleged" marriages, I can only assume they think of us as "alleged" persons, as well.  "Alleged" citizens.  "Alleged" taxpayers.  "Alleged" human beings.  Obama can kiss my alleged ass.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
That "alleged" reference
from the top law agency in the nation is inexcusable.  
I have grown to expect that put down from the Antis and the Anitas, but from my own government...????
The whole brief should be dismissed on the basis of this incorrect reference.  

[ Parent ]
QScribe, when I read that "alleged" reference
that absolutely burned. Me. Up. into overdrive. That and "forum shopping"

I wanted to smack somebody when I read that.


[ Parent ]
Well, he is getting as much alleged support from me
as I am getting alledged support from him.

Think of it:

Our government, with a greater democratic majority than a year ago, cannot get a hate crimes bill through when one passed last year.

Our president felt consitutionally compelled to oppose recognition of our alleged marriages.

Our president feels that this is the legal equivalent of an incestuous marriage

But, as a consolation prize, we can marry someone of the opposite sex.

And he can spend no personal capital on supporting us at all...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


[ Parent ]
I think the real question is:
"Ain't I GLBT?"  And then having the President internalize that if we are GLBT, saying that we always have the right to straight marriage is not a right at all, but cruel and unusual punishment.  I think all these people truly believe that GLBT people's rights are not being infringed on because they can always marry someone of the opposite sex.  Doesn't it all read that way to you too?  

[ Parent ]
The brief, of course
acknowledges that the "straight marriage" option is a sham.  If the option for "straight marriage" were so reasonable, the feds wouldn't be able to claim that banning marriage would save money -- after all, wouldn't anyone who wanted a marriage have already gotten into state-sponsored special-preference-land?

Actually, a number of the claims in the Brief of Doom seem to contradict each other, but I suppose the Obama "Justice" Department couldn't pass up any opportunity to make right-wing claims about us.


[ Parent ]
Maura was right
Soap box, ballot box, ammo box, in that order.

We've communicated, we've lobbied, we've appealed, and we've voted. We were blatantly lied to, and are now being blatantly disrespected, our citizenship and humanity callously disregarded in favor of Bronze Age mythology. The soap box and the ballot box have failed us as options. Our national organizations have failed us as advocates. There is nothing left for us but our own selves and the strengths we harvest at our own common table.

You can't appeal to the common decency and empathy of either politicians or well-off christians in this country - their sense of privilege has surgically removed it. You can't argue with the stupid and willfully ignorant. Privilege does not share. Aside from shutting down as much of this country's infrastructure as possible through mass civil disobedience, I really don't see how to get the message across.  The only thing left for us is to make their lives as painful as possible, and shame them mercilessly through highly public actions.

I'm going to begin with the very public action of wearing a pink triangle armband everywhere I go, and when people ask me why, I will remind them that the Jews, the Romani, the disabled, and the gays were among those rounded up and murdered in Nazi Germany. In today's United States, the Jews, the Romani, and the disabled have federal law protecting them with regards to employment, housing, immigration, free travel, and forming families. Only we, the LGBT in America, do not.

Let's see how the Obama administration likes being publicly compared to Nazi Germany. If it walks like a duck...

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


The Obama Administration...
has already been publically compared to the Nazis by the Fox News crew. Say hello to your new friends on the right. Besides, unitl you are being rounded up and put into camps or being sumarrily shot by government forces...the public will see this for what it is, a wholy inappropriate stunt

[ Parent ]
Hey, SciFi geek!
Still looking for a new hero since your Messiah took a huge public dump on your humanity? Or do you still have a few weeks' worth of koolaid left in your fridge?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

[ Parent ]
MY humanity
has not been dumped on in anyway. I'm feeling perfectly good today. How about you?

I encourage you to move forward with your plan to liken the Obama Administration with the Nazis. Lets see howmany allies and supporters you have that's over. On the flip side, you'd be making Michelle Malkin feel better for being photographed with a guy holding an Obama sign with a swastika.  


[ Parent ]
FYI
This may not be my business to say, but one of the authors of this brief is an active member of the Mormon Church.

Keori is an ex-Mormon and she has probably heard much of this rhetoric in the DOJ brief with far more intensity than you ever have. And from her own family.

Keori can flame me for actually sharing that bit of information, but do be understanding as to where she's coming from, please.


[ Parent ]
Oh, go ahead, kevinchi
It's no secret that my family is mormon, luv. That's why Louise has adopted me! YAY!

Don't bother trying for empathy with SciFi Geek. Only his version of the world is real, dontcha know.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
Gotcha!!
My only point is that to compare someone to a Nazi is pretty strong language. It tends to invalidate your argument unless the situation is genuinely comparable. Whihc is why the GOP hacks looks so silly making it.

[ Parent ]
It is gradually being earned
with the Right getting us killed with their hate speech at a ridiculous rate and a president who uses the Right's arguments against us...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
She won't flame
and neither will I... her background info gives a poignant personal perspective.

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problem is
Keori won't be explaining that bit every time. And what people will see will be the completely out-of-proportion comparison to Nazi Germany. Gays were being experimented, tortured and killed at the time, not just denied the many rights of other citizens. And yes, the denial of rights hurts, but please show me how it is the same as castrating someone as was done to many gay men in particular?

And so that I don't need to rehash this since we're all talking about our backgrounds and sensitivities, I will say this - I say that as someone whose relatives perished in Aushwitz. And also as someone whose great-grandfather was skinned alive by the Nazi's Romanian allies invading the Soviet Union, upon identifying him as a Jewish soldier defending the country.

For those reasons I find the comparison offensive.

What's next? Comparing our inability to get the same Social Security benefits to working as slaves on plantations?


[ Parent ]
Many Mormons are wonderful people...
...but they are outnumbered by the Mormons who are wonderful people except for the fact that they are Theocratic Thugs.

Random posters on various blogs, and the head of the DC chapter of the National Gay & Lesbian Journalist Association on the national group's blog, have complained about the reference to DOJ attorney and DOMA brief coauthor W. Scott Simpson as a "devout Mormon."

But first he/she spanks Andrew Sullivan [apparently the original, repeatedly echoed, source] for writing that Simpson is a "Bush holdover." Apparently he is not a Bush [fils] appointee but a career attorney whose employment in the Justice Department goes back years before that, at least to Bush pere. Hardly encouraging or atoning news.

Second, the author criticizes the reference to Simpson as a "devout Mormon" without explaining why such reference, per se, is a problem esc. If the Website originally refered to is, in fact, that of this W. Scott Simpson, he waxes at length about his Mormon ancestors and personal devotion to the denomination, adding, "I dislike the violence, bad language, and sexual depictions in so many more recent movies. (To block most of the foul language in movies, my family and I have been very pleased with a product called "TV Guardian.")

Is it unreasonable to infer that Simpson is NOT one of those few Mormons who believe they can be both devout AND support gay civil rights?

The "unfairness" or "irrelevancy" of identifying anyone's religious affiliation in a discussion of his/her participation in an effort to deny or take away someone's CIVIL rights ENDED the moment that affiliation started violating the separation of Church and State by trying to enact CIVIL laws that enforce their religious beliefs on others or defeat CIVIL laws that disagree with their religious beliefs-again, most indefensibly and worthy of public derision and scorn when they would deny or take away the CIVIL rights of others.

It would be just as fair and relevant to reference about someone in a similar context that he/she is "devout Catholic" or "devout Scientologist" or "member of Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church [Maggie Gallager's home church, fill in the blank]."

It is unfortunate that the blogger did not address that and that the apparent original source, Andrew Sullivan, did not stop at correcting the slight error in his description of Simpson's employment history but additionally was intimidated by the Theocracy Police into removing the reference to Simpson's Mormon ecstasy.


[ Parent ]
Well then!
Since you're feeling so super thanks for asking, seems there's no need for you to stick around here. Don't let the door smack your posterior, an' all that.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

[ Parent ]
And by the by
Christians have been advocating for gays to be rounded up and put into camps since the 50s. Reagan didn't acknowledge the AIDS crisis until after 41,000 people were dead of the disease, and another 71,000 had been diagnosed with it. LGB and ESPECIALLY T people are being brutalized and murdered with impunity at a 16% increased rate since 2006.

Why should the state have to dirty its hands officially to exterminate us when they can send private christian citizens out to do it for them by way of hate crimes? They can do it quietly by slashing HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment programs and by continuing to fund abstinence-only education. They can do it by refusing to pass the Matthew Shepard Act and continue tacitly allowing the good old boys to refuse to investigate anti-gay and anti-trans hate crimes. They can do it by taxing us at higher rates and allowing us to be kicked out of our homes and fired for who we love. They can do it by forcing us to choose between love and country. They do it every day by looking the other way as our humanity, our citizenship, is denied us.

The state continues to exterminate us. Just because they're not doing it via concentration camp doesn't mean it's not happening. Wake the fuck up already.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
Its clear
by the level of your hyperbole that you have no idea what it means to live in a society where the government actually does try to exterminate its LGBT population. I'm sure there are some people in the Middle East, Africa, or Russia who would happily trade places with you.

It one thing to want things to be better. Its quite anohter to compare your life with people who have and continue to be systematically brutalized in ways that are not only legal and brutal, but enjoy popular support.


[ Parent ]
As I shared above
Maybe she does, Sci Fi. Chill please.

[ Parent ]
Posted
before I saw your message

[ Parent ]
History much?
Officially dehumanizing a segment of the population is the first step to officially eliminating them. We expect this behavior from christians and Reaganites, who don't recognize the humanity of anyone but wealthy straight white cisgendered males. From a self-professed "progressive" government in 2009 it is not acceptable.

Maybe you're fine with taking it up the ass on a regular basis, but that goes against my rule number 7. And as I've said previously, if you really don't give a shit, feel free to fuck off and be content somewhere else.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
As much fun as it is sticking pins in a dimwit like sc-fi geek,
what's the point?  You'll get a better-reasoned response from your cat.  Or your end table.

There's only one thing that puzzles me about him, at this point.  In another thread, he has stated that none of the arguments raised in the hate brief are "his" issues.  Presumably that includes the argument there that LGBT people aren't entitled to the same legal protections as other minorities.  So I find myself wondering why even even bothers to claim he's gay.  (Not that I actually want to know, mind you.  I just ate.)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
Uh, elimination of the AIDS agency
in California.

Obama also cut federal funding for HIV/AIDS treatment and prevention as well as backed out of a campaign promise about federally needle exchange programs.


[ Parent ]
that's "federally funded"


[ Parent ]
And let me add this again
Christians have the legal protections to say anything they damn well pleased provided that it's couched in the name of their beliefs.

[ Parent ]
Which Christians?
Gay Christians?

I have a family of Christians, some 200+ strong, none of them have ever advocated anybody being rounded up. My family embraces it's LGBT members with love and respect.

Your hyperbole is sad. Smearing all Christians as being ready to do violence against queer people is as bad as a Christian smearing all queer people as perverts and criminals.

A rational, reasoned response, like Solmonese's, goes a lot further than amped up, inaccurate rhetoric.


[ Parent ]
But here's the problem
You cannot deny that the loudest Christians nowadays have been active in dehumanizing and even calling for the death (on some occasions) of queer people. I

In fact it was in the name of a Christian "Gawd in the mix" that the President uttered those devastating words at Rick Warren's church. That, in spite of the fact that for some Christians, a "God in the mix" is, in fact, a sanction for marriage equality, not a denial.

That is something that I have called for in a way that I can't define; that something be worked out in terms of the role of religious and even Christanity in the lives of some gay folk. But don't deny the pain that Christianity has caused many gay people.


[ Parent ]
None of that changes...
The fact that there are Christians who are entirely committed to queer equality, to marriage equality, and social justice. There are queer Christians. And to suggest that Christians, as a whole, are not just opposed to equal rihts but actively pursuing the death of queer people is an exaggeration that is both disrespectful to Christians who are actively working on our side and so inflammatory in its dishonesty as to destroy any nugget of truth that might have underpinned the argument.

We can make better proclamations than this. We can be better than this. We can raise the level of debate and traffic in truth, or we can be written off. Which is better?

Deal with your personal pain on your own time. When you get into the political arena, that's not the place to hash that out. They say that the personal is the political, but that's not what the phrase means.  


[ Parent ]
I see both sides of this issue
and this is so difficult.

Because those Christians that would deny and/or take away our civil rights do manifest their (supposedly) biblically based homobigotry in the public square and in the political arena. Furthermore, they are legally protected when doing so.

Now I know that many churches that do support marriage equality and are LGBT friendly are hesitant to enter into the political arena because those churches are also mindful of the separation of church and state.

So oftentimes, we have to deal with our "personal pain" in the political arena with the Christian haters. I don't know what the solution of that is, to be honest, but I am trying to get at that nugget that really is the problem.    


[ Parent ]
Not difficult at all
If all these "supportive" christians are doing is sitting in the living room, tsking over news reports, and telling each other "I think that's just awful" while passing around the cookies, they're not supportive, they're complicit in the things being said and done in their name, and the name of their religion.

When they start getting out in front, telling people they won't tolerate their religion being twisted to hurt others, that's when they'll get my respect. So far I haven't had to worry about handing any out. It's all stored up in my garage. But I've got it, if I ever need it.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing


[ Parent ]
I wholeheartedly agree
and have said so often in the past.  

[ Parent ]
Do I hear any other takers?
When Wiccans, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, Sikhs, Muslims, Ba'hai, Shinto, Zoroastrians, or anyone else gain the political power that christians have and then raise tens of millions of dollars at the pulpit to legally dehumanize entire segments of the population for no other reason than that they feel like it, then I'll apologize for lumping all christians into the gay-hate ball. Until then, here's some kleenex, cry me a river.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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Can't we leave the Nazis out of this?
Can't we make powerful,rational arguments without bringing the Nazis into it? I agree that it's bad enough Glenn Geck keeps yapping about the Nazis and this administration.  It's overkill, its excessive, and it will alienate potential allies who see it that way.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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Tough because you really cannot substitute the Cromwellians
though if you are Irish, the Cromwellian Roundheads trigger a greater fear....

Kill is the operative word, though, Lev--these people are getting us killed.

But I have no problem using neo-cromwellians

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[ Parent ]
True
The Irish have always been the special whipping boys of the English.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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Here's the trouble, Lev
I greatly respect the fact that your family suffered at the hands of the Nazis. I have family who fled both the Nazis and the fascists in Italy. My point in the comparison is not to denigrate.

When I invoke Nazi Germany, I'm remembering that in pre-brownshirt Berlin, gay people actually had more rights and more social acceptance than just about anywhere else on the planet. All it took was the state steadily telling the same lies over and over until people believed them. This lie narrative is what made it possible for gay men to be forced to wear triangle badges on their clothing, just like the Jews had to wear yellow stars. (I've heard military people say, "Sure! Let gays serve! But segregate them and make them wear badges identifying themselves as such so we know who they are." I don't know about you, but that anyone would say such a thing about any group after the Sho'ah is downright chilling.) The state-repeated lie is what made it possible for Heinrich Himmler to specifically name and persecute gay people, particularly men, and round up an estimated 5-15,000 of them for the death camps. These lies are constantly being told in this country, at the pulpit, on hate radio, in Congress, in the Pentagon, and now in the Administration's own court briefs. Let's not forget that since "God is in the mix," christian hate groups have been using the "The President thinks the same way we do" argument against marriage. Now, the WH just gave them another box of ammunition, this time a much bigger caliber. How big a step do you really think it needs to be to go from hate speech in official government documents to legal and/or vigilante action against us using those documents as evidence of the state's approval?

Unlike Glenn Beck (that secessionist traitor scum), whose only beef is that a black man is President and he still has pay taxes, we as LGBT people actually ARE at risk of (passive) extermination by the state, and at risk of murder by citizens. There are a LOT of people in this country who would gladly follow Himmler's statements that LGBT people should be killed. Look at the Knoxville UU church shootings, the murder of Dr. Tiller, and the increased hate crime rate against LGBT people. Then look at the reaction from the WH and the DOJ. Nothing. Not a peep. No acknowledgment that the hate fomenting on the Right for years is being reinforced by both the silence and active denigration by the middle.

Does my comparison really seem so far off now?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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I just want to say that
that was very eloquently and passionately stated, a difficult mix sometimes to get right.

Why is it that we keep hearing the spiteful, "Don't you dare compare your petty demands to our civil rights!" as if rights are in finite supply where one's rights have to come at the expense of another's?

At what point are Civil Rights just simply Human Rights?  And why can't we all have them?  Where's the harm?


[ Parent ]
Yeah
But the Romani were viciously stereotyped in that crappy Drag Me to Hell movie. Just sayin'. I thought it was atrocious.

[ Parent ]
NO AMMO BOX
This needs to remain a nonviolent movement.  We can win through using truth, justice, language, the nobler parts of our system of laws, shame, embarrassment, and civil disobedience.  I can understand defense against police brutality, but we cannot make violence a part of our movement.

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A day late and a dollar short
times MILLIONS!

Never thought that I would say it, but
Go JOE!

You did it, you kept DOMA in the news cycle and put the administration off of their precious "message"

We're playing on their own field and we are scoring! The Friday release to keep it off the nightlies, and the sudden shift to a sort of maybe not really a promise but perchance a small possibility but very unlikely Hate Crimes Issue is hereby declared a fumble.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


I hope your right
It certainly did fill like a throwing out the trash kind of news on Friday, and I hope this does keep it in the news.

"you kept DOMA in the news cycle"

Got any links to news sites showing DOMA in the news today?


[ Parent ]
You're*
Saw it as soon as I hit post, but alas it was too late

[ Parent ]
Next trick
is to get it onto MSM's radar. And keep it on their radar.

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media coverage is key
The last thing the Obama admin wants is for this to stay on the news cycle. This letter guarantees it will be newsworthy. Now we have to hope the MSM gets off of its ass and covers this.

That upcoming fundraiser with Biden needs to be shut down.


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Funny that you mentioned it
I was thinking of doing a post entirely devoted to that fundraiser while you're away- peeked at the "tips" a minute ago and formulating where to go with it.

Among the guests at the same June 25th fundraiser? Barney Frank- who is also guest at a similar event here in Maine.

But back to the media... we can't just hope, but have to consistently make so damned much noise that the media has no CHOICE but to cover it.

I'm up for that and imagine many others are as well...

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BRILLIANT!!!
The [now] ludicrously named DNC LGBT "Leadership" Council Pickpocket Party er Dinner is the PERFECT thing for LGBTs in the DC area to DISRUPT!!!

Joe's letter IS great, but it would be even better if HRC paid for a series of nationwide full page newspaper ads and 30 second TV ads more simply saying the same things, and also about O Inc's hideous DADT defense in court just a few days before that most seem to have already forgotten.

Way past time to get Middle America who support us by majorities in everything but "marriage" to get involved.

Explain to them how much THEIR and their family's personal safety is endangered by DADT discharges and DEMAND O freeze them until Congress acts!


[ Parent ]
Link to a Kos entry
haven't read the responses in full, but if it hasn't been suggested there yet, it may be worth sharing

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


[ Parent ]
You go, Joe.
I no longer give any dollars to the HRC (my monthly giving plan was transferred to the Task Force after the ENDA kerfuffle years ago), but they are the biggest and loudest GLBT group out there, and it is nice to see them use the platform and pull no punches every now and again.

Did anyone see Patricia Clarkson speaking at an HRC event in New Orleans this past week?  It's on HuffPo and the YouTube machine.  She takes aim at both Obama and Joe Solmonese in that one, which took a lot of guts, I thought.  My favorite line, "But there's someone else who needs to understand that we live in the age of Obama: Obama."  Do a YouTube search for it; it's good.

Cheers, all.

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[ Parent ]
Though a bit more fire to their feet
would have been nice,  

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
You get one ankle
and I'll grab the other... we'll finish the job.

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Its nice that HRC
sent the letter to the WH. I mean, yeah, it has as its premise the idea that Oama personally signed off on this brief. I mean if they'd really felt what was said in the brief was accurate, they would not care what the LGBT community thinks (and if that was the case, they certainly would not care about this letter). They would not be scrambling to respond. Indeed the way the brief was written shows pretty clearly that none of the higher ups read this before it went out.

That said, Joe is in for a LONG wait if he thinks that Obama or congress are going to go anywhere near DOMA right now. The Democrats have too many other things that they want to get done and are not going to singlehandedly revive a moribound RNC by fighting this fight right now, this year, or likely this term.


No, the premise of the letter
is that Obama is responsible for what his administration does.  Everyone this side of the International Date Line seems to understand that except you.

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Joe
I temper my thoughts of your letter to President Obama with the knowledge THOUSANDS of HRC volunteers will be asking for money at EVERY LGBT Pride festival in about ten days.
After the non inclusive ENDA bull, I no longer recognise your organization speaking for me, and I won't give a DIME.

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by Tony Kushner


Our outrage must be put into action!
I just sent this to HRC, it was before seeing their letter, but my email to HRC still stands. We need a call to action at all levels.

I encourage anyone who has read or posted a comment on a blog about this topic to also write the president, your congressperson and your senators, and Pelosi and Reid.
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Dear HRC,
About a year ago I quit my HRC involvement because HRC threw the transgender community under the bus with the respect to the ENDA bill in the last Congress. HRC wanted to play nice in the hopes that we would get rights step-by-step.

As you have now seen with the Obama administration, where has this play nice gotten us? Exactly nowhere and worse. The DOJ's filing in the DOMA case should be the last straw for the LGBT community. It was unforgivable. HRC needs to take decisive action and rally all grass roots groups and the leadership of Congress to fight.

Partner with progressive blogs such as Americablog, who broke this story, Pam's House Blend, DailyKos, Huffington Post, Towleroad, Courage Campaign, MyDD, Calictics and others for a national call to action. We must not put up with any more delays.

The DOJ needs to retract that brief or it will set back gay rights for years to come as religious groups and other courts will use it to decide future cases.

Below is a letter that I sent to the president so you can see the level of outrage that we have over this. I have also forwarded this letter to my congresswoman and senators.
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Dear Mr. President,
I have been following closely your administration's plan for full civil rights for the countless LGBT Americans that supported your campaign with time, energy, and lots of money.

I am completely offended by your lack of any action or concrete steps to advance the many promises that you made to us during your campaign. I kept hoping that sometime in June, gay pride month, we would finally see some action.

The Department of Justice's brief filed in the DOMA case on 6/12/09 was the most insulting and demeaning work I have seen in a long time. It was a complete betrayal of the gay community. It was homophobic in the extreme and something I would have expected of the previous administration.

The LGBT community is up in arms about the contents of that brief and the very need for DOJ to be defending DOMA. We are not stupid. We know that you had a choice in defending this odious law given that many constitutional scholars, including Laurence Tribe, believe at least some sections of DOMA are clearly unconstitutional.

You took our money, time, and votes and made what are now clearly empty promises. The few statements that we have heard from your administration since the brief was filed have only made things worse since the claims are disingenuous in the extreme. The damage this has done to your relationship with this highly political community is great.

It has been made worse having happened during gay pride month and on the anniversary of Loving v. Virginia, a court decision that made the marriage of your parents legal across the country.

We expect leadership from you and your administration. We do not expect bland statements that any progress on our issues is strictly up to Congress or that you must defend all laws, even though we know that DOJ has already decided to not defend other laws since you took office. (e.g., marijuana laws in states that have legalized its medical use).

We expect to see you take concrete steps this year regarding DOMA, ENDA, and DADT. We will not accept more promises. We will not keep silent any longer. We will not support your administration if you do not take steps to correct the damage that has already been done to the LGBT community.

You are the leader of the Democratic party and you need to lead on all Democratic policies, especially those related to civil rights given your historic presidency.

We need to see you address directly the issues that the gay community supports. The DOMA brief needs to be withdrawn. If you do not directly address this whole mess soon, there may be no hope of ever regaining our support. We will support progressive candidates at the local, state, and national level rather than Democrats.


Marat/Sade comes to mind
As the inmates of the Asylum sing, "We want our rights and we don't care how. We want our revolution now!"

As GLBT human beings, we have been locked out of full citizenship for too long.  Obama promised quick action as our fierce leader.  It appears he needs an education in the meaning of the word fierce.  

June 28th is the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots in New York City, the spark for the modern gay rights movement.  This year the anniversary is be more than a party, it is a call to action.

From now until DOMA and DADT are repealed, and full access to equal rights and responsibilities are provided to us, including federal benefits for our family members, Obama, Pelosi, and Reed get no rest.  We will do this through active and passive resistance by the GLBT community and our allies.  

What could this look like?

1. Barack and Michelle Obama and the Bidens makes no public appearances without having to run a gauntlet of protestors.  The old ACT UP refrain of "Shame, Shame" would be one appropriate chant.  There are many clever and witty people in our community who can come up with more catchy chants, but "Shame" is a good place to start.

2. Groups of protestors block access to the DC and local offices of the Congressional leadership.  Eventually they will be arrested and interviewed.  Imagine gray-haired PFLAG mothers and fathers saying, "I just want my child to be married and safe", or lesbian spouse saying, my wife is sick and she can't use my insurance and our children risk losing their mommies when she dies".

3. Only members of Congress who have sponsored legislation repealing DOMA, DADT and supporting full federal recognition of our relationships get our support.

4. The DNC, DCCC, DSCCC and other state and local Democratic organizations get no contributions or volunteers from GLBT people until our rights are secured.

5. GLBT celebrities and celebrity allies refuse to participate in any fundraising activities or public appearances.

6. These same celebrities call out the Obama administration and the Democratic party for their craven lack of action.

Share your ideas.


This needs its' own thread
1) Let's include Congressmen who may be there who voted against DOMA in the first place, a few of them are still lingering. (John Conyers from Michigan is one)

2) I like that these ideas are as pointed at the Congress as they are at the Obama Administration. All the better to stave off ugly charges of racism.


[ Parent ]
Need to target Congress and the White House
Both branches of government are necessary to pass and implement legislation. If both don't feel the heat, they'll point fingers back and forth blaming the other for a lack of action.  And there will be no progress.

Kevin, I appreciate the notion of including past supporters, but a fundamental of politics is, "What have you done for me lately?"  

Conyers and 146 other members of the House are co-sponsors of HR 1283, the repeal of DADT introduced by Rep. Ellen Tauscher.  That's great, but when we need to ask when is the Subcommittee on Military Personnel going to hold a hearing?  Where is the companion bill in the Senate?

Has legislation been introduced to repeal DOMA?  I can't find it on thomas.gov.  

Are there bills in the House and Senate to provide full benefits to the partners of federal GLBT employees?  To require the IRS and Social Security provide the rights and responsibilities to same-sex spouses where our marriages are legally recognized?

Not that I can find.

Until this kind of legislation is introduced and members of Congress are committed to it, they don't get my support.  Until you stand with us on this, we can no longer stand with you.

My message to a great congressman like Conyers is, thank you for your past support.  As a friend of the GLBT community, introduce a bill or sign onto legislation will ensure full equality for all Americans.  Continue working with us toward that more perfect union promised by the Constitution.


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I agree with kevin
well, no kidding...

Seriously- you're onto something big here. Could you work up a diary along these lines, incorporating these ideas? I'd like to see the various points you've brought up in this and the previous comment promoted up for a larger discussion, if you would be willing to do it...

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Ok, I'm working on it...
Louise, I've never written a diary before, but since you've asked so nicely, I'm giving it a shot.  I'll try to have something in the next hour or so.

[ Parent ]
While Conyers has not introduced a bill
he has stated that he has the voted to repeal DOMA in committee. According to Conyers, he can get a DOMA repeal out, though he can't guarentee passage in the full House.

But Nancy, god bless her heart, said DOMA is off the table and not a priority.


[ Parent ]
off the table for this year
and possibly this session of Congress, that is.

[ Parent ]
The Conyers info
By Todd A. Heywood 5/19/09 10:39 AM
DETROIT - U.S. Rep. John Conyers, a Detroit Democrat, said Saturday in an interview with Michigan Messenger that the votes are in place in the House Judiciary Committee, which he chairs, to repeal the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Gay rights advocates have been working to get the law repealed as more states pass laws allowing same-sex couples to get married.

"Well in my committee, yes, but in the House and Senate, that's a different question," Conyers said in terms of a DOMA repeal passing.

Asked if he supported marriage equality for the gay community, the congressman replied, "Sure. I always have."

A repeal of DOMA would open the door to allowing marriages of same-sex partners performed in others states to be recognized throughout the state, as well as the federal government.



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Foot Dragging A Michigan Disease?
Michigan US Senator Carl Levin has said as recently as February that he supports repeal of DADT but he's NOT using his HUGE power as the chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee to do anything about it.

The Senate doesn't even HAVE a repeal bill yet which, of course, HE could sponsor.


[ Parent ]
Oh really
I volunteered for Carl Levin when I was 16 (never met the Senator, though. I have briefly met Conyers and I have a relative that knows him pretty well, actually).

But Michael, refrain from talking about my home state. Leave that to me. :)

Actually, I think Nancy is being a bit of a control freak as far as the agenda is concerned. Conyers has actually been a heavy critic of Obama from the left on health care, torture, the auto bailout, the surgeon general nomination, etc...


[ Parent ]
Good letter
I really hope we get some sort of reasonable response.  I thought I'd chill out about this over the weekend, but the opposite has happened.  I'm frickin' mad as hell!

And anytime the administration wants to bring up "it's the law," they need to immediately have the torture thing thrown in their face.  Why aren't Cheney and Rumsfeld behind bars?  It's the law!!!

AHHH FUCK YOU OBAMA!


The law is like the bible
only parts of it apply to the devout

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[ Parent ]
I will advocate AGAINST his health care reform
with my rep and senators unless Obama snaps to immediately.  After all, LGBT families are left out of his heterocentric health care plan anyways, so I'm not loving it to begin with.  That is my plan.  

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Dow down 187+
Apparently the markets not so keen on it either.

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Nope. The fags did it.
Gay people got blamed for 9/11 and Katrina, why not blame us for the Dow being down 187+.

[ Parent ]
Wait a minute...
Throwing the millions of us without access to healthcare coverage under the bus because Obama's thrown LGBT people under the bus? Pretty soon we're all just going to be smears on the road.

Why do we have to tear something else important and necessary down in order to get ahead? Why do our gains have to come at someone else's expense? What sense does that make?


[ Parent ]
I think targeting our donations of time & money
towards pro-equality causes rather than towards the democratic party will achieve much the same effect of making it harder for them to pass their other priorities, without us having to actively work against them.

[ Parent ]
maybe, but that's passive messaging.
i think that will work only on the local level.  on the federal level, it is clear that Obama now thinks he can ignore us, our contributions, etc.  we need to show him that if he ignores us or actively attacks us as he is now doing, there will be a heavy price to pay when it comes to him getting what he wants in Congress.  same for all my straight progressive friends.  if they want health care reform, they'd better finally see to the civil equality of we LGBTs that they, like Obama, give more lips service to than elbow grease.  

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[ Parent ]
if we don't threaten to take away something he really wants,
he will continue to shit on us.  haven't we figured that out yet?  

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[ Parent ]
Who are you punishing?
Failing to reform healthcare doesn't hurt Barack Obama or a single member of Congress. It hurts the 1 in 6 Americans who have to struggle financially to see a doctor when they're sick. And they are not our enemies (in some cases, they are us, I'm in that number myself) and shouldn't be the collateral damage in our fight for our rights.

[ Parent ]
It hurts Obama politically, which is all he cares about.
How much more obvious could that be?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
No!
No, while I'm as pissed off as anyone is at Obama's reluctance to deal with civil rights, scuttling the country out of spite isn't the answer. I don't even know if it's possible to dig the US out of the hole that Dubya dug, but it's our best chance to do it now.

[ Parent ]
"scuttling the country"?
huh?  i'm not talking about pulling the plug on the dregs of the economy, i'm saying that if Obama wants my support for something important to him, he'd better support MY CITIZENSHIP, and now.  those are my terms.  you don't have to approve, this is between me and the president.

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Follow the Facts
If our healthcare system isn't reformed, our current trillion dollar deficit is going to be chump change in about ten years. Healthcare reform isn't just necessary to ensure that 48 million Americans are able to access the care that they need, it's necessary to ensure the financial recovery and long term stability of the nation.

You need to educate yourself.


[ Parent ]
So we should all
just fall into line and support anything Obama wants to do, even as he continues to dump on us?  I for one am not willing to be his doormat, the more so since his health care plan doesn't amount to much more than a big fat cash cow for the insurance industry.  Just wait till he finds his blessed "common ground" with the insurance companies and the AMA.  His plan will NOT rescue either American health care or the American economy.  It will, however, give him a big political victory.  You may be willing to abet that.  I am not.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
When oppressions intersect
Sorry, I'm queer AND uninsurable.  I'm going to support Obama's health care plan.  But I'm going to do it the way Cato ended every speech with "Carthage must be destroyed".  

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[ Parent ]
Obama heterosupremacist promises
Here's what candidate Obama said at the LOGO debate when Melissa Etheridge asked him about same-sex marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

He fulfilled his promise to the preachers that he would support the heterosupremacist position that only the people he approved of or accepted would have full constitutional rights. He told the preachers that he would protect their right to not let queers marry. Those preachers took that as a sign in California to lie to their congregations threatening that same-sex marriage would put preachers in jail.

Obama supporters voted for Prop Hate. Now Obama has to make sure that his promise to those preachers and their sun revolves around the flat earth xians that he would stop queer americans from having equal rights.

Supremacists, white or heterosexual, are the same. They believe they have the right to stop anyone they don't agree with, approve of or accept from having constitutional rights.

Forty years ago, queers in New York rebelled.  where is our rebellion now?  


Carthage
After the First and Second Punic Wars (the ones where Carthage attacked Rome with elephants and Rome fought back and decisively crushed the Carthaginian army), Cato, a Roman politician, is said to have ended every speech he made in the Forum, on any subject (taxes, sumptuary laws, the Roman colonies) with the phrase "Moreover, Carthage should be destroyed."  He felt that Carthage still posed a threat to the Roman Republic (or he wanted revenge - who knows?)  Eventually Rome did attack and destroy Carthage, possibly as a direct result of Cato's inclusion of the phrase in every speech.

"Moreover, DOMA must be destroyed."

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[ Parent ]
Ok, Louise...
I did what you asked and expanded my comments on what we can do when Obama ignores the letter from HRC. It's my first ever diary: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/...

Now what?



Wait for it...
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Pink Triangle Armbands . . .
I'm sorry to see Keori's suggestion above so readily dismissed.  I think she may have hit on something.

One problem the LBGT community has is relative invisibility.  I'm sure that during the height of the civil rights struggles, the mere presence of African Americans in the midst of every town and city, workplace etc., would have made many uncomfortable and forced them to confront their own prejudices.  The readily observed identity of African Americans was a constant reminder of inequality.

LGBT Americans, on the other hand, pass and assimilate.  Even for those of us who are very "out", and don't hide anything, our orientation isn't necessarily obvious as we go about our normal lives.  I've frequently had acquaintances myself remark in surprise when it comes up or they find out that I am gay.  

As the saying goes, we are everywhere . . . but not everyone knows it.  And not all the time.

As for the pink triangle -- perhaps starting the conversation with the reference to Nazis got it off on the wrong note.  But the pink triangle IS a valid symbol for our community -- it's been expropriated and in fact is a symbol of pride now, although its origin was decidedly different.  It also does have great recognition already as an identifier of "gay". So as a symbol it works.

And it's not hyperbole or extremism to say we are treated like second class citizens.  We do not have full rights that other Americans have.  We are discriminated against in many ways . . . public and private, with very real harm.  So, in the sphere of citizenship, we are the "others" and are not equal. So the subtext of voluntarily wearing a triangle is . . . uncomfortable.  But perhaps rightfully so, there are strong parallels.  And it's hardly an exaggeration that religious zealots frequently call for our very extermination and are given shelter as religious "free speech" instead of roundly and convincingly condemned as they should be (and condemnation in part being the validation of our equality through legal protections).

So, it seems to me we are reaching a tipping point, a critical mass.  With victories on SSM in the legislature and courts, high public awareness of the issue via Prop. 8, favorable polling on DADT, and -- well, until recently revealed -- a President that promised fierce advocacy for all.

The DOMA brief is a betrayal.  It seems many do want to take action - tangible action -- to register their protest and be heard.

If all LBGT persons started wearing pink triangles every day, all day -- what would the result be? How many conversations would start -- and we should be ready to explain what it means.  That we suffer greatly from the perpetuation of inequality in many areas of our lives.  As it caught on, the highly visible nature of this as an act of protest I would imagine would garner enormous publicity and prove embarassing -- forcing action.  Pink armbands should be visible at very political fundraiser and administration and DNC events.

I think we should all think about this.  Discrimination affects each and every LGBT person DIRECTLY.  EVERY DAY.  Why not wear it on our sleeves (or sew one over your Polo logo) as well until things change????  Pam??? Others???


I agree
I'm not sure pink triangles are everyone's thing, but there are bracelets, necklaces, rings, clothing, bumper stickers, and a endless variety of ways to create a presence.

One thing I do like about the HRC is they give free bumper stickers to anyone for the asking.

"Request Membership Information and Bumper Sticker"
http://www.hrc.org/get_involve...


[ Parent ]
Other things are just not the same....
You sort of need the uniformity and high visibility for the statement to be really powerful.

Bracelets, rings, etc., would just disappear.

Bumper sticker is not the same thing as going to a meeting for work, shopping at the grocery store, taking your kids to the park, going to the movies....wearing a pink-triangle armband everywhere.

Is it a sacrifice to do that consistently?  Yes.  Guess you have to choose what would be more important to you.  Fashion, or your civil rights.


[ Parent ]
HRC bumper stickers have no visibility outside the LGBT community
Well, maybe a few non-queer progressives know what the blue window is with the yellow sunlight coming through the glass.  What's that you say?  It's an "equal" sign?  Equal what?  

I'll confess to involuntary judgmental snorting when I see HRC bumper stickers on cars. "Closet cases" I think to myself on my dark days in a most uncharitable and ugly way. "How about an effing rainbow?  Or are you just bragging to those of us who know the symbol that you have enough disposable income to donate to the HRC?"  Lotta class resentment here.  Who knew the bumper stickers were free?

The rainbow and to a lesser extent the pink triangle are our most commonly recognized symbols.  It pretty much takes cross-dressing for most people to take notice and think, "Hey ... whuh?"  Or wearing something wacky ... Mork suspenders, a rainbow propeller beanie, a rainbow feather boa (I was gifted one—it's a scream!).

At a "Gay Awareness Day" in college (gimme a break - it was the 80's), I organized a wholesome old-timey "Gay Hugging Booth" just to freak out the administration and terrified heterosexuals.  I originally planned a Gay Kissing Booth, but our faculty advisor said we'd never get approval from the administration.  Sadly, I listened.  But we did have one boy and one girl, and we wore t-shirts that said, respectively, "homosexual" front and back and "lesbian" front and back.  Pix in the UMass student paper.  Now that was coming out.

Maybe we need to reinstate the old identifier "on Thursdays we wear green," but make it pink (risks association with breast cancer awareness) or lavender and make it public so people get the message.  Like a weekly perpetual Gay Blue Jean day sorta.

"Imagine there's no heaven—it's easy if you try.  No hell below us, above us only sky.  Imagine all the people living life in peace." John Lennon


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My thought, too
and that's why I pinned one of the badges I got in Fresno to my work badge. I have to have my badge to access everything in the company, and policy states it must be clearly visible, above the waist, on a spring lanyard. It says I'm an employee, it states my security clearance, and now it also states "support marriage equality for all", with rainbow figures of woman/woman, man/woman, and man/man couples on it.

I get many reactions, from discrete thumbs-up in meetings, to quickly averted eyes, to active discussions. Best thing I could have done.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing


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Rachel Maddow taking on Obama's DOMA brief
With Howard Dean...just announced on Olbermann's Countdown

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Contributions to HRC must be waaaay down.
This is not exactly Tom Paine.

It doesn't call Obama a bigot for opposing same sex marriage or point out his role in defeating our chances for SSM last November in a crass attempt to bring out the bigot vote on his side.

Instead it explains, in terms any Constitutional lawyer can understand, what's wrong with bigotry. As if Obama didn't already know that and hadn't dismissed it out of hand.

It doesn't accuse him of stalling on repeal if DADT, ENDA and repeal of DOMA. And it tries to appeal to him as a decent human being who should be respectful of our rights. That's just silly. He, like Bush and Clinton before him is a sleazy political hustler who'll betray anyone if it gets him votes. "gawd's in the mix."

It does one good thing. It asks him to keep his promise and repeal DOMA. Fat chance.

With Democrats like these who needs Republicans. I mean, really, what's the difference.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


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