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The face of the LGBT movement and the mainstream media: tackling the diversity problem

by: Pam Spaulding

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 09:00:00 AM EDT


I've noticed that there's a familiar trend of nearly all of the on-air talking heads that represent the LGBT community's anger with the Obama administration and Congress have been urban gay white men. I have to wonder if this feeds long-held impressions and biases out there that this is a "hissy fit" by a privileged class, albeit a gay one. I'm not saying the representation on-air so far hasn't been effective; to the contrary, all the interviews and segments covering the issue have been strong.

What I believe hurts our case a bit, from a PR (and strategic) perspective, is that we've seen few LGBT people of color on-air as the movement faces off against the first black President and his administration. If you think this shouldn't matter, well you're right. But in reality, do you really think it isn't an issue? You only need to read some of my posts on race and LGBT issues (see "Black, Gay and Reclaiming 'Civil Rights'" at Huff Post) for a prime example of blowback, and I'm black, for god's sake.

One of the problems with this is it allows the inaccurate impression that if you're black and gay, these things aren't on your radar, or worse, that it's only white gays who are angry at this President, a black man, something that doesn't go unnoticed in communities of color. This impression was somewhat exacerbated in a CNN debate between Dan Savage and Stampp Corbin (co-chair of the Obama LGBT Leadership Council during the 2008 campaign). They disagreed on-air about the logistics of DADT repeal in a segment host Campbell Brown framed as "President Obama selling out the gay community" (transcript here).

But what did people see in that segment? It was a black man defending the President (asking the gay community to stop asking Obama to move more quickly on DADT). It's not that simple of course, since Stampp worked for the Obama campaign. But we're talking about the visual medium and cultural shorthand/bias telegraphed to viewers not keenly attuned to our community and its issues. It's easy to imagine someone walking away from the TV and thinking "well black gays are defending Obama, so it's just these white whining gay men again." You know what I'm talking about.

BTW, Stampp, who agreed on-air with Dan about the DOMA debacle, later announced he wasn't going to attend the fundraiser, writing "The DOMA brief ruined everything." The reality is that one can disagree on one aspect of policy but not another, and support the President overall. Those who are unhappy (enraged, pick your word), usually argue that "oh we'd be better off with the Republicans in power" or some such, but honestly, I can't see how that's a useful tack to take. That said, overall support for this President does not equal criticism-free governance, something the apologist set seems to forget; Obama himself said to hold him accountable. His administration's behavior regarding our issues has been abominable and there are a variety of ways to hold him accountable. As a movement we'll never all be on the same page.

But back to the matter at hand -- I'm grateful, that Rachel Maddow, an out lesbian, is on the air discussing these topics (have we seen any lesbian talking head guests of any color?) and that Daniel Choi has been very visible re: DADT. It's pretty clear that we have a shallow, pale bench to make our cases on the air and it reinforces the stereotype of what "gay" looks like.

The bottom line is that this image problem gives the Obama administration racial and cultural cover it shouldn't have and doesn't deserve. When you have POC on the air to represent the grave anger at this administration's inaction, it shatters the ingrained perceptions of people -- and that includes some of our straight progressive "friends", not just the pols and admin drones -- that discussion of these issues affects a broader spectrum of our community. It's sad that this is the case, but you know we've had to deal with this image problem for a long time. Unless it's right in front of their faces -- and that's the power of the visual medium, for good or ill, people will lean toward their implicit biases.

I don't have an easy solution for this, mind you, since the MSM is lazy and goes to its rolodexes and picks out people they've had on before; it's not a conspiracy. Oh, and for the skeptics out there eager to think this is self-serving, let's just quash that straight out -- this isn't a bid on my part to go on-air. I hated the experience the two times I did appear on CNN:
1) I had to do it by satellite, so you cannot see who you're speaking with, and it's an art to do it well;
2) I do not live in a major media center like NY, LA or DC - I had to drive all the way to Raleigh to a contract studio;
3) I'm not available at the drop of a hat to do it anyway since I have a full-time, unrelated-to-politics day job;
4) I'm not sufficiently telegenic for the MSM; let's get real; it's a cruel medium for non-svelte women .

Radio is a lot easier, though the scheduling problems remain the same. I've done Skype before -- that is still junior-league broadcasting and is still rife enough with technical problems to be unreliable for live TV.

So let's get back to building a vibrant, diverse media bench -- certainly we need to add more women, T-folk and minorities to be effective on-air advocates (and people from outside gay metro areas of the country, another perception problem out there, but there are the above logistical problems to reckon with). It strengthens our game. If the media would ring up POC LGBT orgs, they certainly would find people to put on the air. If the MSM called up the Women's Media Center for example, an organization that actually holds training for women to build on-air skills, they might net new guests.

However, as I said, the MSM is lazy and has to be spoonfed. I think one of the things the LGBT movement could do, in terms of boosting its effectiveness, is to build that bench and give the MSM an information guide filled with a slew of people they can bring on air to discuss our issues, including the usual people we see. I do, however, see internal political problems ahead, particularly with our organizations, which will have a hard time with the idea of messaging for the community coming from those not affiliated with the "professional gay" sphere.

What none of us can ignore, however, is that on-air media messaging and advocacy can reach the greatest number of people less well-versed in the issues being discussed, and it can have the greatest impact in a single shot. We need our issues represented by a wide range of well-trained members of the community of all stripes to throw down on the air to counteract the stereotypical image of what it looks like to be LGBT.


Qs of the day...

* Do you think that on-air diversity is a problem? If not, why not?
* If so, what can or should be done to help build a deeper bench?

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definitely a problem beyond just TV and there's no easy answer
As long as the gay community allows itself to be presented as only white and middle/upper class, it is going to be difficult to convince straights that all kinds of people are gay.  That strategy may have worked in the assimilationist 90s, but I think it's backfiring now.

LGBT organizations, media and leadership have to decide if cultivating diverse "faces of the struggle" is a worthwhile goal.  I'm not convinced they see anything wrong with the "all white all the time" status quo.

I think they need to do a better job of identifying and training potential LGBT leaders who aren't white.  There are dozens of pride events aimed at people of color, perhaps they could start with those organizers.

At the same time, POC have to be more willing to be out and stop treating their sexuality like it's something they have to "creep" with or maintain a don't ask don't tell with their communities. We tend to want to let one person, like Keith Boykin, take the heat for everybody.  We can all affect change in our own ways, many of us just aren't stepping up to the challenge.  

 

Be better, not bitter!


Excellent Post Pam
Mirrors my own thinking -- and oh so disappointing to have someone like Stampp on as defensive as he was (and then recant days later!).  I'm so glad to see Daniel Choi develop into an eloquent and forceful on-air spokesman.

But as for MSM -- isn't odd, that they seem to be able to find all sorts of conservative people of color to appear on air?  (I do wonder sometimes where they come from, but that's another diatribe).  Clearly as a community there is great value in our grooming and promoting diverse spokespeople.  It's an urgent and necessary need to combat the cultural homophobia in minority communities that helped to defeat Prop. 8.  


yes, the closet is part of the problem as well
That's exactly right. When your visibility as a POC LGBT is suppressed by your decision to remain closeted (and I'm talking about people who wouldn't lose their jobs if they came out), that is a big problem, but it's not as if they aren't out there. The MSM and our orgs don't seek out new "talent" to represent on the air; we are stuck with largely monochromatic representation. The MSM doesn't have to; those folks, as I said are lazy. But our orgs really have no excuse.  

[ Parent ]
GLAD
Further thought, -- doesn't this almost seem like something that GLAD should do?  Identify and train community members to be on-air responders, and promote their availability to MSM in response to issues?  It seems like it could naturally be a bit and important part of their mission.  Clearly there are enough LGBT folk who are savvy to media and in the business, as PR, bookers, handlers, make-up, the whole she-bang.

Assume you mean GLAAD
(the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) and not GLAD (Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders), who brought us the MA marriage decision.  God I hate this acronym soup in the non-profit land.

As for the main questions Pam's piece, I would argue diversity is a problem in TV punditry land in general. You have a few more POC and women making the rounds of the news and political shows, but for the most part it remains a bastion of white men, with a lot of white women thrown in as sidekicks (and yes, I mean you Mika Brzezinski).

And gay people of any kind are rarely, if ever, brought on such shows to talk about anything but LGBT issues. In fact, until Rachel Maddow joined the MSNBC line-up of political pundits, I don't think we ever had an LGBT person giving general political analysis across a spectrum of issues. When Rachel first began her show, I noticed immediately the higher number of women she brings on - as well as the greater variety of guests. I see people on Rachel's show that I just don't see anywhere else, and it's amazingly refreshing.

So clearly we need more POC LGBT representation (and where exactly has Keith Boykin been during all this?), but we need television in general to reflect the diversity of this country, and it is still lagging a couple of decades behind reality (and isn't it interesting that probably the greatest diversity is on home&garden type reality programs?).


[ Parent ]
We need organized anarchy
I agree, we need a deeper bench.  IMO, those in control of a lot of the LGBT organizations don't want to take a risk on new voices who aren't well versed on the day's talking points.  This doesn't just lower the number of possible media contact, it also discourages folks that aren't rich, white and heteronormitive for working with what are purportedly our organizations.  Take chances.

Well...
IMO, those in control of a lot of the LGBT organizations don't want to take a risk on new voices who aren't well versed on the day's talking points.
It can be a problem even when we're not talking about the gay-corporate dogma of the day (read: talking points.)

Sometimes people - even people who are otherwise media-savvy - can bomb.  I recall once seeing a talking-head show (either CNN or MSNBC, but several years ago) 'debate' between Jerry Falwell and Margaret Cho about same-sex marriage.  I hate Falwell (dead or alive) and love Cho, but she came off sounding like a moron.

>^..^<


[ Parent ]
Pam, as much as you hate TV
you may have to "bite the bullet" on this one. It is so vital to the movement right now.

Stampp Corbin, Keith Boykin, Clay Cane, Rod McCollum (and he's worked in television!) are all there. I think we have a pretty "deep bench" already.

But...how do people get selected to go on these TV shows?

I don't know about you being unsufficiently telegenic, Pam, there's always the example of Oprah!

Those are my quick thoughts, can't spend much time on this. I'm going to Iowa today!


Seconded. Bite the bullet, baby.
All I can add is: You can talk fancy about building the bench all you want to and I'll be calling out 'amen'.

However, did you not SEE Jasmyn Cannick last fall? She was a nightmare. Her messaging was, Black gays don't want marriage equality and that's why we didn't work for it, quit whining. That's her opinion, and she felt no obligation to qualify it with any targeted data about why other LGBT blacks don't agree with her.

Not a word about the 55,000 black children in CA alone being raised by same-sex parents, whose grandparents need the legal and social pressure of their gay kids being married to their partners. Not a word about the elder populations in Alameda and LA Counties whose end of life issues are ignored. Not a word about the disproportionate numbers of GLBT AAs among public employees in CA.

Yet her melanin got her the gig on FOX, and laid down cover for the stereotype, Black people are anti-gay, and gay people are rich white men with expensive haircuts.

That's not fair, she's as entitled to talk out of her hat as any melanin-impaired person, but it's the visual accompanied by the inaccuracies and omissions that's so damaging.

My point is simply that if you discover this untapped motherlode of black lesbian and gay people who are informed and articulate about the statistical and policy implications of DOMA, DADT and ENDA...well, lead them in a flight over CNN on their flying ponies.

In reality, it is going to take time, which our movement does not have right now, to develop the talent and skills we need on the bench so that 'the bench' is both a good visual and predictably moves the ball forward instead of coughing it up by stating on behalf of all black folks, We have other priorities.

Bite the bullet. I hate TV, I'm okay on radio, and I do both. The alternative is to continue to live with those who are less informed and thinner than I am responding to the crisis of the day. Unless you think the crises are getting less serious, take it seriously.

But wait, there's more!


[ Parent ]
Oh my god -- you brought up JC! Now I'm not going to be able to get to sleep tonight!
I'll join the amen chorus.  You want qualified lesbians of color on the tv?  Like who?  I only WISH we had qualified lesbians of color who were being ignored by the corporate media.  But who has an established media platform, has been repeatedly recognized for her work, isn't looney-tunes or an idiot, is telegenic, and unites people instead of dividing them?  Who, I wonder.  Could it be... Pam Spaulding?

Seriously, you cannot post video of yourself on your own website and then claim Medusa status.  You're pretty -- get over it!  Not only does the camera work with you, you have a perfect look for being a LGBT spokesperson -- you look like the nicest, most harmless person in the entire world.  Add that to the smarts and the charisma and you've got someone who can not only make the right point, but communicate it to an unfriendly audience.

And being good in front of a camera is all about practice.  Period.  But your other reasons for not wanting it be you do make sense and seem insurmountable.  But now what?

If Dan Savage is dominating the airwaves on our behalf, clearly we are past the crisis point for having new spokespeople.  Stampp Corbin just lost his LGBT POC spokesperson credentials for both being wrong on an issue, and being put in his place by a nitwit.  We need intelligent, articulate and diverse voices on tv.  If not you, then who?  


[ Parent ]
Cannick?
The last line of Oscar Wilde's Salome invariably comes to mind.

[ Parent ]
Media views of LGBT
There's a companion discussion going on over at Joe My God's website.  It's long been an annual June topic:  the MSM's depiction of the gay community as mostly-naked glitter-covered drag queens with feather boas.

I'm not sure what can be done to get the MSM to be fair; it's getting harder, not easier.  


Or Huffington Post is another example
This would be great to post over at huff post Pam. But even over there, they always "hide" your articles and choose instead to frontpage privileged white gays. I'd love to see the reaction over there to this.

I want to continue with this...
For example, this article by Pam should probably be front posted on, say, Huff posts media page or even the politics page. I would guesstimate that it would get as many as 400-500 posts based on the subject content alone.

But what you have to do a lot of times to find her posts is to click on a tab or the "gay marriage" tag at the top of the page or something like that. Now for those who are big fans of Pam Spaulding, we know how to find her. But most people don't even see the articles that she posts. An article by her usually gets 40,50, maybe 60 hits tops.

But let Pam talk about racism in the gay community and see what happens...


[ Parent ]
I just submitted it to Huff Post
The question is, will they bury it? Nearly every post I do about race and LGBT issues, it gets buried. Others find their way into other sections. There must be some editorial reticence over there.

[ Parent ]
Huff Post
That's how I got here.  Happy to have found this place, I've learned alot.

[ Parent ]
Yes it's a problem
A good LGBT spokesperson such as activist Keith Boykin was promoted into an Obama financial talking head on CNBC/  LGBT issues never are mentioned on the Larry Kudlow show.  What can be done to help build a deeper bench ?   GLAAD could help in this in a strategy to bring awareness to the news media.  We need serious spokespeople from the membership of the National Black Justice Coalition.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

and the Latino community
It's the fastest growing demographic group and I've seen no Latino LGBTs on these programs.

[ Parent ]
You're right again, Pam.
Let's also not forget that LGBT Latin@s don't get much coverage in the media. I've heard mixed reviews on how the Spanish-language networks like Univision and Telemundo have handled LGBT issues, but in the "mainstream media"  there's not much of any mention of LGBT Latin@s. Hopefully with new leaders like Jarrett Barrios emerging, we'll start to see our diverse community acknowledged more.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

[ Parent ]
In the Southwest, we do pretty well
in markets where Univision and Telemundo provide original reporting.

Those channels are where the Latino GLBTs are at, on my cable lineup. I think you'd struggle to get an Ohio CBS affiliate to pick up those stories from their partners in Spanish-language media, though, because they use Univision to cover immigration stories and nothing else.

But wait, there's more!


[ Parent ]
Yes, the LA market's better...
And it certainly helped that local orgs here have been working on Latin@ media for some time. It also helped that opinion makers like Dolores Huerta and "La Opinion" (LA's largest Spanish-language newspaper) were so vocally No on H8.

But even out West, it's not all good. In the CA Central Valley, for instance, we've had problems. We really need to identify good media folks in all these neglected areas and give them the tools they need to share our stories. We can definitely do better, but only if we make the effort.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)


[ Parent ]
Dan Savage also mentioned he came off screaming like your crazy Irish uncle at Thanksgiving
So he's owned this media confrontation was partially his fault, but I understand how angry many of us got after the DOMA brief, then other stuff just snowballed into DADT inaction.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Pam the problem is African-American Homopbobia
As a gay African-American I really can't put it any oehr way. I hope to write about this at length in the near future but it's a reality I've had to deal with for the better part of my 62 years. I so wish Marlon Riggs were still alive to adress this. His Essay film Tongues Untied remains as on point today as it was back in 1991.

As far as the "Mainstream" goes, it continues to play into the homophobic mythos that would make gay/lesbaina and African-American two entirely different things, despite the legacy of Bayard Rustin, James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, Billy Strayhorn, Lorraine Hansbury (!!!!), Bessie Smith, Ethel Waters, Samuel R. Delany --

I could go on and on and on and on. But I'm just too fucking tired!


Media savvy spokespeople also don't just drop out of trees
We need to help train a diverse group of LGBTs to reguarly be willing to go on MSM media outlets. It's not anthing I'd ever want to do, so I understand those who shy away from this chore. We also have ZERO control over less than desirable speakers, deciding they speak for LGBTs, Perez Hilton springs to mind.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


It's definitely a problem...
And it's definitely two-sided. On one hand, the corporate media love the practice of mocking the "nellie white queens" on one teevee channel while marketing products to them on another. But on the other hand, "establishment" LGBT organizations have contributed to this problem in the past as well by boasting about "the buying power of our affluent community" and electing "leaders" that don't reflect the real diversity of our community. This needs to change, and it needs to change on both fronts.

As I said in my other comment, I'm glad to see GLAAD doing something about this by picking a new leader who's fluent in English and Spanish. And hopefully, more "establishment" orgs will do a better job of putting out public faces that better reflect our community.

But most definitely, the media also need to stop calling the same dozen or so "media gays" and branch out to more LGBT people with other points of view. Yes, some of us are white and gay and affluent... But a number of us are black and lesbian and middle class... And a number of us are Latina and transgender and working poor... And a number of us are Asian-American and bisexual and working class... Well, you get the drift. Hopefully, we can get them to get it as well.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)


This is complicated, for lots of reasons (some of which probably haven't even occurred to me)
First and foremost, there's the nature of our media.  They do not merely see the LGBT community as white and privileged, they see America that way.  Minorities of every kind, racial, ethnic, religious, sexual, are marginalized very effectively.  I's sure we've all seen the media studies that are released every couple of years that show that the talking heads on news/chat programs are overwhelmingly white, male and privileged.  This is largely due to two things, I think.  1) The people who run the media are themselves largely (not at all exclusively) in that category.  2) The image of white, conformist, America is cozy and conducive to sales.  If we're all prosperous middle- and upper-class types, why shouldn't we spend lots of our money on things we don't need?  That image, as a good politician would put it, helps the economy (and not coincidentally the sponsors)--the corporate economy, not the economy that touches each of us in our real lives.

The closet, as Pam notes, is also a huge factor.  The black gay community here in Pittsburgh, for instance, is deeply closeted and, as near as I can tell, happy that way.  There are a few out black lesbian poets, and that's about it.  At the county council hearing on an LGBT nondiscrimination bill last winter, a hearing that lasted nearly four hours, there was a grand total of one black voice heard on our side (again, a lesbian). (The Latino and Asian communities here are so small I have virtually no knowledge of them or their LGBT members.)  I can only assume that's true in most of the nation's smaller cities, which is to say most of the nation.  

Even our own media contribute to this.  I've been following the gay media since the 70s, when they first began to emerge.  And in all that time, I can't remember any of our media paying serious attention to working-class LGBTs.  If you didn't know better, you would never guess from the Advocate that there are queer auto mechanics, waitresses, refrigerator repairmen, trash collectors, and so on.  Actors, sure.  Politicians, definitely.  Stock brokers, models, jocks, of course.  But ordinary people?  Forget it.

And of course that's reinforced by racism in the LGBT community as a whole.  If blacks, Latinos et al are not made welcome, how can we reasonably expect them to stand up not just for themselves but for all of us?

We're working against a lot of powerful forces that serve to keep minority LGBTs invisible and maintain the image that our movement is a white middle-class phenomenon.  It's not a matter of overcoming just one of those; we have to overcome them all.  I find myself thinking of the myth of Sisyphus...

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


I Believe The LGBT Community Has To Look At Diversity
Not only our on-the-air spokesperson but also the terminology that they use. My point of contention is the use of the phrase "the gay community" what is the "gay community" is it the "LGBT community?" Or are they just talking about lesbian and gay community?

For many DADT and DOMA is considered "gay" issues, but it also affects the trans-community.

In the support group I remember during the first Gulf War, a member who had just started hormones coming to a meeting to say she was kicked out of the Marine Reserve unit because they found out she was trans.

I know many couples that when one partner transitioned, they never changed the transitioned partner's birth certificate for fear of losing their Social Security benefits.

Conversely, the trans-community must stop referring gender inclusive anti-discrimination bills as trans-rights bills. There have been a number of gays and lesbians who have been discriminated against not because of their sexual orientation but because they didn't act masculine or feminine enough.

We all must learn to use inclusive language.

As for Pam's other question, that is a lot harder. I think we have to let the MSM media know that there are other people who can be spokespersons besides urban white males.

Look at the religious community, whenever there is a religious issue to be covered (not just marriage equality, but any religious issue) who does the MSM get to talk about it? The Episcopals? The Congregationalists? The Presbyterians? No, the MSM calls on Christian conservative churches.

The same thing will happen to us, when the MSM wants a spokesperson on LGBT issues, they will pull out their Rolodex and get a white middle class male.    


Yes, we need diversity, but...
...a black face on an ignorant person will not do us any good.  Stampp did not appear to know that Obama can stop the enforcement of DADT. And he was overly defensive.  Just as I am not able to accept the 'bone' that Obama tossed to us in his executive memo, I can't celebrate that Stampp gets it about DOMA and nothing else.  And remember, when we ask for diversity, we may get Jasmyne or Alan Keyes, because TV programming is a culture with values similar to those of the hookup culture on Craigslist - by the numbers:

Skin color - check  
Under the age of 35 - check
No too fat - check. . .etc.

But let me say this:  I think that Dan Savage is a jerk.  I am not comfortable with him being a 'spokesperson' because I don't trust his judgment.  He frequently makes some good points but he always manages to soil his diapers.  

Because getting our rights is an emotional issue for us and because it isn't the 20, 30 or even 40-somethings that we need to convince, I think we needs some more 'mature' non-LGBTs to be doing this work.  In group facilitation training I learned that you never put someone in the position of advocating for themselves - it is more effective to have someone who understands the issues but is not part of the affected group to be the advocate.  

So what we need are spokespeople such as Oprah, Phil, Judge Judy, etc. to do a 'we are the world' kind of PSA about us and our rights.  We need eloquent speakers like Michael Eric Dyson to further our cause.  Christ, even the conservative Reverend Amos Brown from the 3rd Street Baptist Church is supporting same-sex marriage and he spoke at one of the No on 8 rallies.  So there are people out there who we need to speak on our behalf.  Our task is to recognize that an push them into the spotlight.

We need the political will in Washington DC combined with popular support in order to move forward.    

Getting back to diversity on the tube, I agree that it is far from reality.  But non-white groups should not feel alone in being ignored by the media.  Older folks, fat people and people not so attractive don't have much airtime either.  

And Pam darling, don't get so 'defensive' with the "this isn't a bid on my part to go on-air" stuff. This is your house and you are among friends.  


that is a really good point, Gary

At this point in time , it appears to me at least that we have more straight allies than i can recall in my 52 yrs and we need to get them to advocate for us, for the reasons you mentioned. That may in fact be the way to deepen the bench. - people to run defense so to speak..to step to the plate for us , and with us of course. But srsly..it would be refreshing to hear their passionate voices , defend us. In societies eyes we are "guilty" of a laundry list of specious crap. Second class citizens - we need some abolishionists so to speak - to step up to the plate , and that is one way things for us will change. And one step further since our society conflates capitalism with freedom , and freedom with democracy..etc.  Its got to be presented that inclusion and justice is good for business. So working within this system , that would make sense. Or we go the Malcom X route and do it all for ourselves..(its important to note the movement we have seen with the mass unsubscribing to the DNC machine ) the two party system , capitalism is the root problem in my mind but barring the near impossibility of dismantling that - advocateS that are   straight of every SHADE,  would go a very long way.

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You Need Both . . .
It's an excellent point to push non-LGBT advocates to take up some of the mantle.  WE have reached that point, and we do see it from time to time -- even, gulp, from surprising quarters like Joe Bruno and Meagan McCain.  And there's every reason it SHOULD BE a popular cause. Who wants to stand up and say their against EQUALITY?  It's only palatable because its covered with irrational cloak of religious beliefs.

So, yeah - right on, we need "abolitionists".  Only in this case, I think we should call them "EQUALITARIANS" -- ARE YOU ONE? IF NOT WHY NOT???

And you know what, I'll take the fiery emotionalism of Savage as well -- this should be a full frontal assault.

What I CANNOT stand at this moment are APOLOGISTS and INCREMENTALISTS.  That is what has to stop right now.

It' 2009.  Is equality for all Americans that difficult a concept to put forth and defend?  So, it's a bitter pill America -- swallow it.  You'll feel much better in the morning.  


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I had to do it...
And Pam darling, don't get so 'defensive' with the "this isn't a bid on my part to go on-air" stuff. This is your house and you are among friends.  
Trust me, there are a lot of folks out there, particularly defenders of one blogger/media figure or another, that think any criticism is a bid to dethrone or replace them, or a bid for media stardom, or angling for some cushy job. It seems to be hard for people to believe that going on TV is not the be all or end all of leadership or popularity. Thus the need to clear the decks of that meme right away.

After all, even if I DID like going on camera, the logistics cited in my other reasons are a problem that can be insurmountable.


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Seek and ye shall find...
I remember last summer while I was in NY city, my friend and I were approached by an HRC member who was trying to sign people up. I think I was in SoHo at the time...
Anyway, what about sending reps like that to predominantly black/asian/hispanic/etc neighborhoods to sign people up and get people involved? At the very least, it would promote discussion of LGBT rights with other minorities.

This all sounds very one-sided to me
You want the -- obviously white -- HRC and NLGTF -- to go out and find more "minority" faces.
Besides the fact that both orgs are less than useless, it hands everything off to the white "majority" and asks nothing of the African-American, Asian, Latino etc. LBGTs to do a dman thing.

They're "happy" in the closet, we're told.

WELL DRAG THEM THE HELL OUT! BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY !!!


How Dave ? how does that or will that happen ?

Self empowerment , people have to open their closest doors from the inside , people can be invited to come out , to self advocate - but that is a pretty tall order when one is not used to owning their personal power or operating happily on the down low ..I have no answers. and the question is rhetorical - one would think that there is no time like now that is much better to come out, to rise up , speak out - and we may yet see that happen , you mentioned homophobia within the black community. Perhaps there too, it is time to do refresher courses on the deep well of a proud heritage - the list of people you had off the top of your head was impressive ..Does the black LGBT  community truly realize , how much they are valued needed , wanted and desired by the LGBT i think not. This goes on in the literary and publishing world. Women of color have a hell of time getting published. Its not a lack of voices , or brains by any means - the powers that be don't try hard enough to seek out diverse voices. To invite. to welcome, to find people, who are out there. They don't need to be dragged out , they simply need to be recognized - that is a failing that sits with predominately white power structure of the major orgs. which are not entirely useless. i have to disagree with you on that one.

People cannot make each other venture out of their comfort zones and this goes for whites too of course. I remember the group black and white men together. There is also no denying that in my mind that self segregation seems to be something that people just do - because its easier, its comfortable - how arrogant would it be for a white person to demand that blacks, latinos, asians step up to the plate or we'll make you ?!  -

how do we work together ? many want something to bubble up organically from within the black LGBT community - that ties many hands. The kkk says i am not white , but at first glance i look pretty damn white. Is it my place to demand that people of color step up ? Frankly i am not comfortable doing that seems arrogant to say the least - do i want to hear the voices , would i want to be represented by black people as my advocate as a TG person absolutely YES,  there is NOTHING more I want. I have no clue how to make this happen. It does have to bubble up organically from within commmunities of color.  


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How? Simple
You get in their face at every opportunity and call them on their shit. RELENTLESSLY!

Thse creeps think that because you're a 'brother" or "sister" they fucking own your ass.

Well they don't.

I'm not interested in offering "sef-empowerment" to a bunch of Phoebes.  


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Another aspect of spokespeople
People really well trained to be in front of a camera, and speaking intelligently...have a job doing exactly that, and to keep their jobs, going on air to show our community's joint anger, isn't a great career move for them.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Spokespeople with experience
Certainly Jarrett Barrios, Pam, Dr. Sylvia Rhue, Mandy Carter all have what it takes.  It is one thing to be trained at being articulate on talking points, another to feel and believe what you stand for.  Signorile, Keith and Rachel, all white but fabulous.  Signorile has been fighting for our cause 24/7 for over 20 years.  First as a print journalist and for the last few years his "Sirius" talk show 3 hours a day answering every known LGBT detractor on this planet from Anne Coulter to Rush Limbaugh.  CNN invites him because he is an authority in LGBT civil rights, written books and made numerous personal appearances.  It's why he is on their radar.  They know he can deliver the goods without pauses and not hem and haw about issues.  The POC's I mentioned are also well qualified.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

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SIgnorile also used to train others
As one of the media guys in ACT UP/NY, he (and Jay Blotcher and especially Ann Northrop) did a fabulous job of training regular people in at the very least delivering excellent soundbites at demonstrations, and at more thorough prep in other instances.  It's not like media savvy is brain surgery.  We are all able to speak clearly and intelligently about our own lives, and with a modicum of training, avoid the most common traps of the infotainment industry.  

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some excellent comments..

Adequate representation has always been an issue - the commenter above hit it on the nose for me..the white image of affluence sells. Its good for advertaisers. What we need to do is press, and donate to support this endeaver financially those organizations who do specialize in media such as GLAAD.
And good old GLAAD needs to work with the TASK FORCE to recruit media people in alliance with the orgs dedicated to LGBT members of color - The media itself is responsible , for the telegraphing of these images. Keeping control over one's own story or message when on TV is really really hard , they are going to frame things as they want to, often resulting in mini firestorms if someone mis speaks , or stumbles..
Its got to be one of the most nerve wracking tasks i can think of -  There is an elephant in the room. Its the 40 Million dollar PAC the hrc.   they have a diversity person of course , one human being..working on their diversity issues which our or ought to be all of our diversity issues. That "leadership"must change.  This could be done.
Also , advertising - the money spent on press, photos, need to show a rainbow of people - I got this image in my mind of a row of people old to young , married , single , of every shade , and ethnicity , feminine to masculine - everyday people ...working poor people. disabled people.

We (even the "we"is problematic because the is no there there , we are not a monolith, but   a PR org. Like De Sube or something to really change the imaging ...as long as the biggest org is not integrated itself  nor truly  representative , thats one major problem right there. why is Joe Solomese still the face of the hrc. They owe the community so much more , but the fix is in.  

Its the same problem , as Dave said,  in the 70's 80's 90's perrenial problem - too many of the orgs self segregate and do not do enough  outreach , and even when its done , it seems to have little impact on who is speaking for who. Hopefully by continuing to dialog this will change, and also just by the fact of Obama , a man of color in the presidency gradually we will see more diversity on the TV. Television is all info -tainment anyway.
One excercise might be to recruite media spokes people of color and have the orgs make sure to defer to them when called upon in the coming days. this issue is going to be with us for some time to come - its important to never give up on it.

Even if it makes people uncomfortable and i believe it still does. We all live in a still very racist society, for example the trial of the murderer of LaTeisha Green set to re commence on July 12 th , in Syracuse, where is the light a candle page ? etc. She was a black trans woman murdered with slurs uttered at a house party. bias motivation is part of the prosecution

 - we cannot change racism until we own it, and de colonize our own minds. But we have got to request more of the National Orgs. Thats where our money needs to go, into recruiting and retaining advocates who truly represent our rainbow. imho.
 


We Must Have Trans Spokespersons!
If we are really going to bring down the gender walls we must have transfolks on  TV speaking about LGBTQI rights. Who are all of these gay white men? Where are by sisters and brothers in the trans community? Its time that transfolks are allowed to be the spokespeople for LGBTQI rights!  

Oh, they get it
You write:

That white, gay men who are on top of the current LGBT power structure don't understand why we need to expand the diversity of voices of who speak for broader LGBT community is just beyond me.

I'm on the board of a major LGBT political organization in a very large state. Without fail we beat ourselves up for not having enough diversity at every opportunity: not enough women, not enough latins, not enough (you fill in), too many white males! There is only so much we can do when non white, non male people just aren't interested. Even trying to get white women involved is like pulling teeth.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but i'll defend the white males who lead my organization...they are acutely aware of the need for diversity and try to make an impact at every opportunity.

Xavier


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My two cents
As one of the white women who is reluctant to get involved with white-male led orgs, I would just like to mention that when non-white, non-male LGBT's are around white men, we pretty much feel ignored.  I cannot tell you the number of times I have tried to engage in conversation with white male gays and have to deal with their eyes constantly darting away from my face in search of something they are more interested in......more white gay men, perhaps?  Yes, it's a stereotype, but can anyone deny that white gay men are the most self-absorbed species on the planet?  It's probably not even your fault.....just a combination of long-standing white privilege and hormones I guess.  I'm glad to hear you are finally aware of this problem that you have.  It just might be a while before any of the rest of us can really trust that you have ears for our words and suggestions.

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take the white male bull by the horns...
Latin Gay men are extremely self absorbed. I am, after all, my biggest fan. i'm kidding, but its true.

Take the bull by the horns and make yourself heard! White males are victims of the darting eyes as well...how do i know? Its my eyes that are darting.

Keep the courage and keep insisting that your voice is heard!

Xavier


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reminds me of a cute saying
"Not all men are pigs....some are dead"

I've worked with many feminist lesbans in leadership roles
in MN politics, and they took ZERO sh*t from any guy who disrespected them. The men learned. We had very vibrant women leaders who were responsible for statewide coalitions that engaged labor unions, women's groups, and racial minorities as allies to win a state ENDA. MN also had prominent transgender leaders, Ashley is remembered with our LGBT parade named in her honor.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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I see the diversity issue as even a larger issue.

Where are the...

• Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) youth voices

• LGBT elder voices

• LGBT Asian Pacific Islander voices [Such as Dan Choi, but not being single issue  (DADT) voices]

• LGBT Latina/Latino voices

• LGBT grass roots voices (Such as "Join The Impact" leaders)

• Bisexual voices

• Transgender voices

I'm biased -- I'm one of the transgender voices, but I'm white. The fact that Mara Keisling, Monica Roberts, Masen Davis, Diego Sanchez, and Andy Marra are trans people who aren't looked at for speaking on broader LGBT issues baffles me. Or to make a personal perspective comment, why isn't Pam looked at to speak on LGBT grass roots issues, or I not looked at to speak on LGBT veteran's issues, or...?

That white, gay men who are on top of the current LGBT power structure don't understand why we need to expand the diversity of voices of who speak for broader LGBT community is just beyond me. There are disadvantages to looking too white and too gay male to the general public when sending out our messages that are seen by broader majority and minority communities in broader society.

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~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


This situation is toxic. The righ-wing is turning race against us.
An extremely important topic. Few people understand that in a society as homophobic as ours it's more often than not only been well educated whites who feel they have the security to live openly. They're also the most mobile segment of society and tend to migrate to big cities, both of which are factors that contribute to a gay or lesbian person being "out and proud". That's why our community looks this way. It's very frustrating then that what is essentially a product of homophobia gets turned against - only people who are so well off that they have nothing else to worry about concern themselves with being gay, so our opponents would have people believe. It bolsters the right-wing rhetoric that being gay is a chosen "lifestyle", that we're spoiled brats who whine (anyone here not heard that lately?), and makes possible cynical attempts, now ubiquitous, by our most ardent opponents (almost always by white conservatives who've never been know to be great friends of POC, to say the least) to divide white gays from people of color (both straight and gay). This situation has become absolutely TOXIC.  

A Disaster and Nothing New
I haven't said anything here until now because I wanted to see how the media coverage on the benefits memo.

But, I noticed it starting right away on cable and it carried through to the broader media - network evening news and newspapers.

The theme is that gays are selfish, only care about themselves, aren't grateful when they get something, and don't care about the problems the rest of us (which, as a hetero woman, is me).

Obama and his operatives knew what they were doing when they trotted out gruel and made it look like a full-course dinner by the White House signing.

In other words, not only do we have to fight Obama's lack of initiative on LGBT issues, we also have to fight Obama's propaganda machine which is being used to make gays look like selfish brats.

AS FAR AS ON-AIR DIVERSITY IS CONCERNED...

It is an issue of deepening the bench. The wider the variety   on the bench, the wider the variety on the air. Other than an occasional appearance by Urvashi Vaid, Peter Gomes, or Marjorie Hill, we never saw black gay faces.

In fact, the irony is that I've seen more black gays on cable news since Obama, than before Obama.

The only thing I can say is that recruiting and developing non-white faces in the movements in which I have been involved has always been a problem. In the single-member district fight in Dallas, it was almost all black with very few white faces - Although, I do think that as a white person, it has been easier for me to show up at mostly black events than for blacks to show up at mostly white events.

All we can do is keep trying and remember that segregation is alive and well in social and religious settings - which bleeds over into social activism.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)


Capeheart in WaPo Today is Infuriating
as an example of that.  I've also notices it in comments sections on various blogs/newspapers reporting on DOMA, DADT, etc.  Comments along the lines as "Well, I WAS supportive of empathetic with the gays, but now that you get in a snit because of Obama's lack of action, the DOMA brief, etc., you've lost my respect and I can't support you anymore, blah, blah, blah...."

Some are prolly trolls, and in any event comments such as those are indeed "fair weather friends".

More disturbing is Capeheart who seems to think we should jump up and down and be excited about the "extension" of federal benefits, the name on the passport, etc.  

It's NOT ENOUGH.  NOT NOW.  And every LGBT person needs to get on Board with that sentiment.  I personally don't think we need any LGBT person with a media platform who collapses and becomes an apologist for our community, like Capeheart, and tells us to be happy with what we're getting.  I think we will be heard clearer and listened to more if we speak with one voice and one message:  FULL EQUALITY NOW.

Anyone reading this on this Board or otherwise should be telling that to and encouraging all your LGBT friends to take that as their mandate.

My initial reaction to the Olsen-Boies suit was one of wariness and uncertainty (I'm trained as a lawyer); then a group of LGBT organizations came out and were critical of it.  But you know what - I read the brief.  It's right.  Is it possible that Ted Olsen, Bush's solicitor general, can see what so many members of our own community cannot?  There are many Republicans now who seem ready to get on board with this issue as one of basic civil rights and fairness -- something that is not a given with Democrats.

I think that recent events are an opportunity for a sea-change in the LGBT communities' strategy -- more bottom up, less piecemeal, greater demands and accountability - NOW.  Self respect.  Visibility.  Full Equality.


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There is a more direct approach
...than begging some existing organizations to call the right people, and it goes something like this:

1. Volunteer and/or identify individuals in your local community who are willing to be trained to deal with the media.

2. Contact the media person for a local organization (LGBT or not) or an independent PR/media person you may know and ask for their pro bono assistance in training and developing a media packet for you or your identified individuals. Remember that you are not asking them to do the work themselves, but to give you the benefit of their experience in developing some media savvy. If you don't know anybody, you know someone who does.

3. Follow through with the training and media packets.  Make them glossy and attractive, with clips if you have them, but photos and quotes at the very least.  If you have a blog or other example of your ability to string sentences together and of your POV, forward samples/links.

4. Forward them preferably through a chain of contacts, but "cold" if necessary, to local media outlets.  Your PR/media person will have suggestions as to the best targets.  If you have contacts that reach to national media, send the info there.

5. Whenever there is a relevant news event on which you'd be an appropriate spokesperson, email/call/contact your list of connections to remind them of your availability to discuss the issue.

In many (MANY) instances, the reporter or producer assigned to a particular issue is casting about for somebody to talk to, and resorting to the usual suspects because that's all they know about.  They would be happy to have a fresh face if they just knew the person existed and had some credibility, in the form of trusted mutual friends and/or a track record that can be easily checked out (e.g., a blog).

This is not to say that this method undoes the racism and sexism of the mainstream media, of course.  But the easier you make it on the producers to think of you as the go-to person, the more likely you are to appear in print or on TV/radio.

In short simplistic terms: The way to be visible is, well, to be visible.  Assertively so.


Maybe...
the reason for the lack of spokespersons of color is a bit more complicated.

Just an idea:  

gay white man - single issue:  gay.

gay black man - dual issues: gay, black.

hispanic lesbian MTF - four issues: gay, hispanic, transgendered, woman.

Perhaps the MSM really wants single issue talking heads.. I think they often choose people who seem the least confusing or most available.

But I do think it's important for LGBT groups to promote POC as leaders and spokespersons.  It's the only intelligent solution.  We need to attack the issues from every angle and that means using people from all walks of life.

Pam - I would like if you did some TV spots.  Come on now!


I do take issue a bit
it simplifies spokespeople to say white gay men are SINGLE issue, they may also be senior gays, or disabled gays, or active duty or veteran gays, or gay youths, or half of an inter racial couple, or gay father. Just as a gay black man can be as multifaceted, as can any other group listed.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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yes, I know.. and that's something I pondered
after posting.

No one is single issues.  And these days, being white is becoming an issue too!  It was inevitable.  


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Pam, you could talk to Rev. Irene Monroe
She is telegenic, smart and well reasoned in her arguments.  You have a connection to her through this blog (I've seen her featured a number of times) and she is an effective voice.  Why not talk to her and try to convince her to get out in front of the camera.

I personally do not know anyone who is connected enough to even suggest for this.  You have incredible pull right now, and it is growing, why not use that influence to persuade those you know personally and professionally to step up in this way?

I vote for Irene.

The trollish sounding blogger formerly known as BURNSEY


no way!
monroe has a chip on her shoulder against white gays the size of new york.  she'd be extremely divisive.  bad choice, imo.

Lurleen on Twitter

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If so divisive why featured here?
Just curious, if she is such a divisive personality, then why does she get featured posts here on PHB.

The trollish sounding blogger formerly known as BURNSEY

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There is a huge difference
between debating someone's ideas here, and giving that individual the roll of "national spokesgay".

Lurleen on Twitter

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On-air diversity need to improve, HOWEVER
viewers won't jump to "gay = white men" conclusions if the gay people around them in everyday life are out.  Half of gays are women, to start with.  And the best way to debunk the gay = white myth in communities of color is for gay people in those communities to rip down the myth from within.  It's completely fair to point out what the media is doing, but we can undercut the importance of what they are doing by just being open and honest to friends and family.  

Lurleen on Twitter

A slight quibble here that illustrates the problem
is for gay people in those communities to rip down the myth from within.

In a physical sense, I don't live in the black community, I live in a mostly white (but relatively mixed) community.  Maybe this is a dumb question but exactly how am I supposed to come out "within my community?"


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"community" is whoever you live among.
it doesn't have to mean "cultural/racial" group, it can mean the geographic area in which you live.

Lurleen on Twitter

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ok i answered
without first re-reading my own comment, which i'd already forgotten, sorry!  the answer then to you is, perhaps you can't as directly as a black man who lives primarily surrounded by other black people.  but your being out can still influence how your black friends and family think about gays. no matter where they live, they have your image in their mind when they think "gay".

Lurleen on Twitter

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Making it SAFE to come out
Last year I was taken aback when I tried to make a list off the top of my head of "famous" Q's.   I wrote down Wanda Sykes (recently out) and tried to remember the basketball player who came out a few years ago.   My point?    99% of famous gays are white.  

I have no answers for how to create an environment WITHIN different racial "minorities" where people feel more comfortable coming out; it seems that the real work needs to be done at home, schools, and churches - raising young boys and girls in an environment where it is SAFE to come out.    

Look at the suicides last April of two 11 year olds - that speaks volumes to the work that still needs to be done.

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!


How about Esera Tuaolo
I know that  Esera Tuaolo speaks to NFL teams about diversity and against the bigotry there, and that he and his partner are raising their kids together, but has he ever been approached by anyone to speak for the community as a whole?
He is articulate, open, smart, knows what being forced to live in the closet does, and he is one big man. (in many more ways than his size)  
Just a thought.  

"They say that time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." - Andy Warhol



"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal


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Glad you brought up Wanda Sykes
Her visibility is very important.

Likewise the attempted invisibility of Dana Evans (I refuse to use her fake name.)


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hmm
I pretty sure Whoopie Goldberg is openly bisexual. Is Queen Latifa openly out yet? Then there's Margaret Cho.

I also second what was already said in this thread: Wanda Sykes is awesome and important. She could be the only one and she'd still rock it ;)

None of this is to say that I disagree with you in anyway whatsoever, but there are a few, good examples.  


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My List
Again, these were off the top of my head, but where are our Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, American Indian, etc., etc. role models?

David Geffen, Rosie O'Donnell, Anderson Cooper, Ellen Degeneres, Nathan Lane, Gore Vidal, Tim Gunn, Sam Champion, Gus Van Sant, Mary Cheney, David Hyde Pierce, Wanda Sykes, Barney Frank, Melissa Etheridge, k.d. lang, Billie Jean King, Andrew Sullivan, Neil Patrick Harris, Suze Orman, Annie Leibovitz, Marc Cherry, Jodie Foster, John Waters, Lily Tomlin.....

If this is the best I can do as a GAY MAN, imagine how clueless society at large is about the LGBTQ community.

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!


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God-dangit, Iowa got rained out!
The weather forecast for Davenport is not good at all so my group canceled.

One other thing that bothers me about MSM (print, broadcast, and Internet) is that when a black person is usually for LGBT civil rights and even gay marriage, it's a black straight person doing the talking.

While I welcome all of our straight allies in the black community, it does leave the impression that they speak for all black people including black LGBTs.  


Who's fault is that?
Kevin:

If the opinions of LGBT blacks are not represented by straight black spokespeople, then LGBT blacks need to step up and say so. Otherwise, it's totally reasonable to assume that they do, in fact, represent the views of all black people.

Those who are in the closet or not completely out to their community and family are not going to step forward to be spokespeople.

Which comes full circle to your well-made point on numerous occasions that the closet does great damage in black communities.

Liz

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)


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I call bullshit on myself, oldbrit
You're right.

I can't very well ask Pam to stand up and out and not stand up and out. Granted I'm no beauty queen and you defintely don't want to see me play water volleyball, I can put together a pretty clean, decent and occasionally eloquent sentence.

In my case, as I've often stated, I am out to my family and I have, by and large, left the black community. I've wrestled with the idea of whether I am still closeted in a meaningful sense as it pertains to the black community.

And then simply online (which is where the only extensive discussions I really have with "the black community" take place I've been submitted to all sorts of racial slurs and whatnot for daring to have a different opinion even by supposed straight black "allies."

http://www.bilerico.com/2009/0...

I'm "Kevin" in that thread. It was the first time that happened but it wasn't the last. But that still stings.


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That thread makes me so ANGRY
It's the first time I've read it since then. And I've received an increasing amount those racial attacks from other (presumably)straight black posters lately.

And to be honest, I haven't been perfect in not throwing the slurs back. I have to do better than that.


[ Parent ]
trying to do things perfectly, sets you up to fail
just do the best you can. and be easier on what you expect from yourself.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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This falls on the shoulders of the GLBT organizations...
Thank you for tackling this issue, Pam.

I think a lot of networks have go-to people on these issues. The big networks seem to, at least. Local stations on the other had will sometimes call up a local GLBT organization and say "Can you send a speaker." This was certainly the case when I was involved with SpeakOut in Boston.

I think that this really falls on the shoulders of the big GLBT organizations. HRC and NGLTF need to recruit some minority spokespeople. They know this, but prefer to keep their heads in the sand on this issue.

Also, these go-to people have a role to play in fixing this problem. Dan Savage, for example, is not always going to be able to make every gig, even though it's in his financial interest to keep that media spigot flowing. Someone should impress upon him that it is a good idea to give some GLBT persons of color exposure. So if he can't make a gig, he can at least say, he knows someone who could make the gig, someone who happens to be a person of color.


Dan Savage...
Should not be out there representing anyone. After his loaded race baiting rant post Prop 8, he should have no credibility.

[ Parent ]
to answer the questions...
1 - yes.

2 - I already wrote a long note about it last week:  http://www.pamshouseblend.com/...

Its really simple: a thousand fires.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


Great post ...
I do, however, see internal political problems ahead, particularly with our organizations, which will have a hard time with the idea of messaging for the community coming from those not affiliated with the "professional gay" sphere.

It seems to me that along with the MSM's general lack of attention to diversity, this cuts to the heart of it.  Organizations' desire for control over the messaging leads to squeezing out different backgrounds and perspectives.  Will they recognize the problem, adapt, and help take the lead in changing things?  Or instead, will they prefer to stay in their comfort zone?

jon

jon


So is TERRANCE available, or not?


It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


.... will go ask him.


It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Sometimes divisiveness is good thing. This is one of those times.
The sharpening divisions in the GLBT communities should be welcomed because they reflect a radical and growing opposition to the cornerstones of US society.

American society is a sewer of bigotries and divisive hatreds. The strongest and most lasting are racism, misogyny, and homobigotry. They don't exist because of some impulse in 'human nature' to be mean and vicious. They endure because of their key role in creating classes of people who can be underpaid, denied benefits and forced to accept bad housing, educational opportunities and above all healthcare.

The divisions created by opposition to all three in the LGBT communities boiled over on the question of gutting ENDA. Barney Frank was the point man for Democrats concerned about losing support (and those ever popular 'campaign donations') from bigoted business owners. He gutted ENDA for business owners, accepting every anti-LGBT amendment offered by his Republican bedmates. He used the discussion created by widespread opposition to his betrayal to launch bigoted attacks on transfolks and succeeded in driving wedges, deep wedges, in the loyalties that different parts of the equation GLBT have to one another.

People who take the side of quislings like Frank and Baldwin or who display racist and misogynist attitudes form the far right wing of our movement and should be rejected. The same is true of those who defend openly hostile bigots like Obama or McCain. Many of them, like HRC, are simply front groups for the Democrats, a party whose traditional hostility to our fright for equality has recently become more open and sharp.  

Another division sharpening the internal debate is the emerging class division between working class LGBT folks and the over-paid, dim witted spineless leaders of groups like HRC and many state equality groups. They don't represent us but instead cater to rich GLBT folks who want an end to the indignities they face but who are terrified that the struggle will evolve and include the demands of working class LGBT folks for higher wages and equal wages, socialized medicine, an end to the war, and etc.

The call for a new coalition of grassroots activists/groups to implement agendas like the Dallas Principles is guaranteed to increase the divisions along the fracture points defined by class, sex and ethnicity.

The summer soldiers will want nothing to do with it and will remain in HRC, the Log Closet and the Obama-Democrat Closet, leaving the rest of us an open field to build a new leadership with a militant, mass action perspective and a democratic internal life.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


Pam,
As I look at the 35 people who have confirmed for the protest on Thrusday, I have to say most of us are urban gay males.  Do you or other posters know of organizations I can call to increase the diversity?  I've already left a couple messages at NOW and I'll follow up with them tomorrow.  They were great at the Prop 8 decision protest.

get on air, Pam
Your voice is definitely needed amongst the talking heads ;)

See what you get from HRC?
I know that there are many people of color who would gladly go on air in DC, but does the MSM know who they are?  The NGLTF, P-Flag, Family Equality Council, etc. should be on those rolodexes, but the reasons for this is that we have been kept out of the MSM unless something heinous or ridiculous happens.  The MSM has as much access to all those GLBT organizations as any one else.  Where was the president of Black Gay Pride for DC when this type of thing occurs?  I'm sure s/he could pitch someone to go on air.  There are plenty of DC advocates, but why aren't they speaking up and banging on the MSM's doors?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. - The U.S. Constitution Article IV.Section. 2. Clause 1



Ministers from open and affirming churches might get tapped as spokespeople
They are usually well trained speakers, and many of our churches have quite diverse ministers.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Pam...
Have you considered the idea that JC may in fact be RIGHT?

LGBT people of color like myself have much more serious things to worry about than DADT or DOMA.

Indeed, this is a bigger class issue.

People on the lower end of the spectrum have bigger issues to worry about than whether or no some elites get to throw their dream wedding.

I personally stopped my advocacy work on LGBT issues precisely because I recognize that their are more important things that need addressing. it precisely why I have a serious issue with folks like yourself thinking that the Democrats ought to sacrifice political capital on LGBT issues when there a major social issues that need to be the primary focus.

POCs are hit hardest by the economic turmoil. POCs are more likely not to have insurance or access to quality education. Those are critical issues that need the most attention. As i've said before, these LGBT topics can wait a bit. Indeed, the ONLY reason that the LGBT issues get as much attention as they do is because they detract from the lives of the elite.

We need job, health care, education, immigration reform etc...not marriage.

I know its hard to accept, but really people have more important things to worry about.


it's not an either/or
People on the lower end of the spectrum have bigger issues to worry about than whether or no some elites get to throw their dream wedding.
That's an extreme simplification of the argument for marriage equality. I live in a state where my marriage is meaningless in the eyes of the law, and that places my family in jeopardy. So it is important to me.

But if we're talking what is actually more important to me in the LGBT rights laundry list it's ENDA. Being able to be out and still keep your job will do a lot more for our movement, to take out some of the fear of simply existing. That ranks up there with health care (affected by equality), education (including anti-bulling measures), immigration reform (obviously UAFA is important), and not exclusive matters of concern separate from minority communities. As I've said before, most LGBTs are not single issue people; that we discuss these issues here more on the Blend is a function of finding a collective place to discuss them. For some marriage is the primary concern, but for the majority of us who live where there are few rights, we need full equality at the federal level. And all of the other issues before the president are extremely important; they just are not the main focus of this spot in virtual space. It's not as if there aren't plenty of blogs dedicated to health care, education, criminal justice reform, etc. One blog cannot be all things to all people, unless it's as massive as DKos.


[ Parent ]
Marriage IS a poor people's issue
Because rich and middle class people can hire a lawyer to draw up wills and health care proxies and partnership agreements and so on.  Poor people can't.

Rich and middle class people either have jobs that already offer DP benefits or in a position to advocate for them.  Poor people -- not so much.  So long as health insurance is tied to employment and legally recognized family relationships, marriage will be a poor people's issue.

Marriage is a very cheap way to establish a whole set of legally enforceable mutual (and third-party) rights and responsibilities, including most importantly health insurance and access to an orderly process for ending relationships (i.e., divorce).  

It's not about the damn wedding.  It's about the rights.  

Based on my many years of experience as a family law attorney for poor people, I feel pretty confident in affirming the above.

It is simply false to claim that gay marriage is just for the elites.


[ Parent ]
We need the bookers on our side as well
It's not enough to identify possible spokespeople, it is necessary to get the bookers interested in said spokespeople, and that requires some personal attention by well-connected people in the newsbiz.

BTW, I wouldn't diss all white LGBT spokespeople as too biased. I think that the Williams Institute demographers are excellent spokespeople who present actual information (what a refreshing thought), and AFAIK, they are white (at least Gates and Baggett are). I'd also consider recruiting lawyers, doctors, and others outside the full-time activist pool for special expertise.


There is an issue.
Pam, I hate to disagree, but going ballistic over language in a brief that isn't going to change the legal or economic position of gay people is the province of the gay, largely white, elite.

My life, as a gay man of color, is the same the day before the brief as it was after it.

I think that privilege issues are critical here.

If you've got race and class privilege, perhaps you have time to tie yourself into knots about something that will have no substantive effect on your life.  Most people have more material issues.

If there is no progress on ENDA, then I'll be upset.  If there is no progress on Hate Crimes, then I'll be upset.  Until then, I have to say that I'm tired of the Obama haters.  He isn't Neo.  He's just a man.  


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