Delusional DNC spinning about the gay fundraiser -- and future gAyTM affairs

Just sent Andy a reminder

"No gay rights?  

No gay $$"

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by: oddjob @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:06:38 PM CDT

But who really "gives" us rights?

"No gay rights? No gay $$"

I totally agree, and I think we need to stop paying for rights in general - but I still suggest that we need to withhold money from the powers that ACTUALLY give us rights - the Federal Government.

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!

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by: John Bisceglia @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:46:10 PM CDT

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Putting the squeeze on Jared

I expected the Dems to do that much after Jared's very public dis of the DOJ brief.

Enforcing party discipline...

(Strange how I feel as if I can address Congressman Polis by his first name)

And who could actually watch Miss B. Frank playing water volleyball and hold down their drink at the same time?

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:07:04 PM CDT

Jared

(hey, if he's your friend, he's my friend too) also voted against war funding.  And President Change promised to retaliate against any freshman congress member who voted against it.  

Hey, what's more important, doing the right thing, voting your conscience, truth, justice--or "party discipline"?  They will try every tactic they can think of to make him regret his actions.  Silly me, and I thought they weren't really busy!

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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by: QScribe @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:15:04 PM CDT

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I was gonna say the same thing As Kevin...

The idea of a near-naked Barney Frank curdles the stomach...

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by: wagonjak @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 17:02:20 PM CDT

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Hey wait...

Maybe this means he's secretly on our side and trying to keep donors away? :)

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by: cbear @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 20:29:21 PM CDT

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I can't imagine...

... being drunk enough to want to watch Barney Frank in a swimsuit.  

Stormie
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.

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by: StormWalker @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 17:12:46 PM CDT

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Enough with bashing those of us who don't look like Genre models, m-kay?

Y'all know better.  Or is the revolution only for the young, able, and pretty people?

 

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by: 555catnap @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 19:29:17 PM CDT

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Shame on you body fascists

As queers growing up, you were probably vilified for acting remotely different from gender stereotypes - you were too femme or too butch & if you weren't - at least some of you feared being attacked that way and lived your life with a sense of unease.

So now you're all grown up, and you're angry - I'm angry too - but attacks on someone's body size in the Queer community is really a low shi**y blow.

Just because you hate Barney - and I am with you - doesn't mean you need to take a cheap shot at him. Take a smart & measured shot at him - he's a DOUCHEBAG for supporting this attempt to snag money from us after Obama betrayed us! But your attacks on his body because it's different from the A/F mold and because he's older than you, are really childish. Some queers like bears, some like chubs, & some like older folks.

Are you going to write the same things about our wonderful host? She's a woman with some body. You gonna attack the wonderful, brilliant Pam because our sexy Blog Queen's got a different physique than Amanda Peet? Can't swill your cocktail because you meet her at a party?

I've read your posts on this board and you are SO SO SO much intelligent than that. In fact, I joined because YOUR COMMENTARY as well as Pam's Delicious Blend was so astute  & emotionally resonant.

 

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by: Dadisgaards @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 04:40:35 AM CDT

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Waitaminute

Lord KNOWS I can't talk with my case of middle-age-can pinch-more-than-an-inch spread. But...but...you won't see me in advertisement for a water volleyball game either.

Your comment about age is interesting, though, because I've always been more of a "daddy" type and, by and large, that hasn't changed with my age (I'm 42). I'm still more attracted to older men. I defintely DON'T hate on Barney for his age.

Just for the record.

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by: kevinchi @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 06:53:59 AM CDT

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Yay, now we know where else to protest!

Thanks Tobias! ;)

Lurleen on Twitter

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by: Lurleen @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:10:59 PM CDT

Sounds like the protesters

need to make sure to reconnoiter the hotel before the event - especially noting alternate entrances/exits in relation to the banquet hall.  On the night of the event, it would be nice to have at least one person with a camera and means of communicating with the main group stationed at all likely doors.

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:15:10 PM CDT

Does he mean water Balloons?

SATURDAY, JULY 11:
WATER VOLLEYBALL WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE, Barney Frank....

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:18:13 PM CDT

I said over on

the other thread that I'd go if it was a Barney Dunk Tank.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wusc...

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by: ggw59 @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:27:46 PM CDT

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Yes. As you might say on observing a bad liver on necropsy:

"Look - it's yellow and it floats."

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:37:41 PM CDT

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great minds

i thought they'd raise more money with a dunk tank

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:57:59 PM CDT

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how about water polo?

With Barney as one of the polo ponies?

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by: coram nobis @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 19:54:05 PM CDT

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Coming to DC

I am putting together a trip to DC from Jacksonville to protest next Thursday. I am concerned that we wont be visible. Who is organizing the protest?

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by: jaxtom @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:44:18 PM CDT

There is a page on Facebook

The only "organized" webpage that I've seen is on Facebook.  There is a guy there who is making signs, leaflets, etc.  You can contact him and get more information.  Hope this helps.

http://www.facebook.com/event....

www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96277886590

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by: SecretScoundrel @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:57:43 PM CDT

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Some guy

who needs some help.  :)  Please bring your own signs, chants, etc.

I look forward to seeing everyone there.

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by: TrumpetDC @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 23:05:16 PM CDT

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"or come to help fund the tools "

I think you found a THEME for this FARCE

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:53:48 PM CDT

new poster

   http://img.villagephotos.com/p...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 14:55:00 PM CDT

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didn't you love them directing the appropriate signs

and giving you permission....KISS MY QUEER A$$...how's that sign grab ya?

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:01:20 PM CDT

Some cajones, eh?

The real sign for them will be the lack of future money pouring into their coffers. That will speak volumes.

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by: meileen @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:27:06 PM CDT

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Tobias thinks it's all so funny.

what an a$$.

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by: Karen in Kalifornia @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:29:57 PM CDT

Ah, the opportunities

If it is possible to find out where in the Pines the Gillibrand luncheon is, it would be possible for a group to meet her there.  Picketing the neighborhood would be a nice thing to do on Independence Day.  For those who don't know, the Pines is a convenient train ride from NYC, met by a van to the Ferry terminal.  Pretty area.  (Not counting that it would be interesting to see if she would cross a picket line...)

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by: silverkjk @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:32:21 PM CDT

marriage

M....is for the many pedofile/incest references
A....is another DNC fundraiser
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and f*ck the rest of this tune!

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 15:46:26 PM CDT

this is how power and politics works

After all, the reason for all the WH consternation is because of this pressure you've placed on the DNC fundraiser -- admin officials admitted it on the record to the NYT.

And why wouldn't they?

Seriously, why wouldn't they "admit it" publicly?

This is how power and politics works in this society.

We gay people are not special unicorns who will magically get handed what some of us (who claim to speak for all of us) want, in a society that demonizes us to cover up its own sickness related to sex and human connection.

This system we're in has a major stake in keeping a spectrum that demonizes us on one side and offers the hope of always-challenged assimilation ("we're just like the heterosexuals!") on the other. Nothing further.

This is a violent ugly situation that responds to us as it responds to any group (e.g., demonizing undocumented immigrants covers up for all sorts of sickness related to European invasion of the land and this country's treatment of the nations south of us) that it needs to demonize to cover up its own wrongness.

So to have even implicit surprise or outrage about how we would get crumbs or that we actually have to put sustained pressure on those in power to get what some of us claim we all want is ... odd to me.

Even those gay people who want to be like heterosexuals ("we're just like you but for the gender of who we're attracted to!") will find that this system wants to keep the assimilation as a prize that is always under assault and threat. Part of maintaining that spectrum.

This is how power works in this system. The Obama administration didn't start this, and it won't end it.

And for someone like me, who has actually been harmed in concrete ways by the persistent definition of lesbian/gay as "we're just like heterosexuals but for the gender of who we're attracted to," the violence inherent in this system is just as likely to come from another gay person as it will from a heterosexual.

So maybe that's why there does seem to be a sort of surprised outrage sometimes that doesn't make sense to me given the situation. Maybe some gay people really do feel more allied with and spiritually close to centers of power (so, people have this energy of "how could our allies betray us?") than with those of us who are harmed by the mainstream definitions of what we are and why.  

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by: michelle @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 16:03:55 PM CDT

Dallas Principle #2

2.  We will not leave any part of our community behind.

My profound sense of betrayal didn't come from identifying with the mainstream.  It came from growing to identify with everyone who isn't mainstream.  Obama is "The Other" I thought, just as I am.  For the first time in U.S. history, one of "us" is on the inside, in power.  He gets it.  When he says he doesn't think queers should be able to get legally married, he doesn't really mean it.  He didn't mean anything by planning a gospel concert featuring Donnie McClurkin, or by inviting Rick Warren to deliver the inaugural invocation.  My wake-up call came a week ago with the pro-DOMA brief.

Leaving none of us behind doesn't mean just the broad categories of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.  It also means leather daddies, dykes on bikes, queers of color, club boys, tomboys, disabled queers, queers who prefer hookups to relationships, kids trying to survive in anti-queer schools, poor LGBTs who struggle from paycheck to paycheck, military service personnel, retirement-age LGBTs, and even mainstreaming queer couples with white picket fences and children.

This is why declaring which issues are and are not our personal ones, and which should come first (as some who drop by here for java like to do), is ridiculous.  The haters don't distinguish between us.  To them, we are all vile.  And a win for any one of our efforts has powerful, positive ripple effects for us all.

It seemed in the 80's and 90's that there was a strong reaction on the part of mainstreamers to distance themselves from our less conventional brothers and sisters.  This was both tempered and aggravated by the AIDS crisis—compassion vs. moralizing and selling out for privilege.  

Frankly, this was part of my evolution (not proud of it).  Since the MSM loves to focus on the more colorful among us, early on these were the only reflections of myself that I saw in the world.  This inexperienced queer with a fragile sense of identity and masculinity was frightened of blossoming into a rose among daisies, and earning more societal scorn and losing more mainstream privilege.  Except for my sexual orientation, I wanted to be "normal" and to be seen as such.  If I'd been asked to vet our membership, we'd have been a mighty small tent.

This undercurrent still exists out there, though my sense is that it is not as bad as it once was.  Seems we are more mature as a people, and we educate and inform our newer kin more carefully.  Maybe I'm deluding myself.  Anyone care to weigh in?

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by: 555catnap @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 20:33:49 PM CDT

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The current state of black-gay relations

That's why the current state of black-gay relations is so painful, especially to the gay community. There is that level of identification with the black community by the gay community; that accounted for much of the post-Prop 8 racial rage. But, IMO, one thing that gay people forget is the hetero privilege enjoyed by many in the black community.

(There's also white privilege in the gay community, for example...among others but that's not where I really wanted to go with that, only that it's interesting that the gay community seems to forget about the "privilege" angle when it comes to the straight black community).

And the American need for blandness and conformity.

It seems as if you read that hideous "Martin Luther Queen" essay that is getting bashed on the gay blogs this weekend.

In a way, I sorta felt sorry for Max Mutchnick.(?) I mean, he has much more than I have in terms of material things but (if his essay) he seems like he's still, like, lost or something.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 21:02:42 PM CDT

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I <i>had</i> forgotten hetero privilege in the black community ...

and there's often that conventional Christian privilege too, come to think of it.  Just human nature I guess among the disenfranchised of all types to dig in our heels in the ways that we are privileged.  I may be _X_, but at least I'm white/ straight/ male/ Christian/ etc.

I hadn't read "Martin Luther Queen" until seeing your reference.  Sheesh.  Seems like Mutchnick has gone in the opposite direction, regressing from the big tent of "sexual outlaws and gender pioneers" in his early years to deciding they shouldn't represent at Pride now that he's a mainstream dad.  You know, except for that gay thing.  subtext: "I may be gay, but at least I'm in a committed relationship [disses those who either aren't looking for or haven't found committed relationships], and a dad [Look!  I've been given honorary hetero privilege back!  Who knew?], and normal, fer chrissake [not like those freaky sexual outlaws and gender pioneers].  So there he is, digging in his heels for assimilation and acceptance.  He coulda just made his own banner and marched as an HRC officially certified acceptable queer.  Those models are worth a lot more on re-sale sellout.

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by: 555catnap @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 00:43:29 AM CDT

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Some pithy third rail thoughts

1) Kids change you. I seen this in some of the gay couples that I've been around that now have children.

2) The Christian privilege- That's particular card Barack Obama never pulled to my memory until the Presidential campaign. Hetero privilege, yes, but not Christian privilege.

Thing is Obama is outright tacky in playing that card. Who chooses 5 spiritual advisors? (Most people I know have 2 "spiritual advisor" at the most, although, of course, you can receive spiritual advice from others.) Who makes such a public show of their spiritual advisors?

This newfound public spirituality angle with Obama strikes me as phony.

I had some, but I've 20 minutes to catch all the other news but I want to return to this...

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by: kevinchi @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 09:16:35 AM CDT

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Aravosis...

With all due respect, I don't understand why PHB is linking and quoting John Aravosis when it was PHB that did such a great job challenging his unapologetically bigoted attacks on trans people in 2007. He has not changed his ways and, as Law Dork has documented, he is still spreading lies. He does not believe in the Dallas Principles, nor is he a member of the reality-based community.

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by: polysyndeton @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 16:49:29 PM CDT

Everybody is outraged and Nobody is sorry!

Someone needs to explain to our leadership that while they apologize all over themselves for the indiscretions of the current and past administrations as well as the hectic schedules of a Congress boastful about upholding the Constitution as well as the "rights" of the "American" People. I really don't want to have to tolerate an apology to all LGBT Americans 20 years from now for all the intolerance we currently must live under. And somebody tell Andy he is doing a fine job. He should keep up his house negro training with the DNC.

Always thinking about it...

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by: kudo451 @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 16:56:20 PM CDT

Our leadership?

 

Someone needs to explain to our leadership that while they apologize all over themselves for the indiscretions of the current and past administrations...

Not to be picky, but... they aren't MY leadership!

Whenever I hear anybody described as the leader of a some segment of the population I usually laugh as I wonder who, besides the media, decided they were the leaders of whatever group?

Pam Spaulding comes closer to being my leader than Andrew Tobias or Barney Frank or Tammy Baldwin.

My opinion, your mileage may vary.  

Stormie
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.

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by: StormWalker @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 18:10:39 PM CDT

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Andrew Tobias has just shown

that he has no principles and no beliefs and no valuse.

Or how s THIS for a strategy? Contribute -- but stand outside with a sign! We ll keep a plate warm for you and buy you a drink afterward, when the cameras are gone. We are, after all, all on the same team.

He thinks it is all a sham and a game and that people who believe in things are a joke. Sort of like Obama dismissing middle class people in Pennsylvania who "bitterly cling to guns and religion."

The only thing we are supposed to believe in is the DNC - and showing our belief involves giving money and eating whatever sh*t they put in front of us.

I can't get to Washington on Thursday, but I hope there are plenty of cameras to catch anybody who does sell out to Andy's twisted idea of ethical action.


Stormie
Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.

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by: StormWalker @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 18:00:25 PM CDT

The hostess Andy

I am thinking Marie Antoinette reincarnated (let them eat cake after the picket line).    

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

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by: CharlesMerrill @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 18:56:00 PM CDT

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are they serving Vichy water?

Cake is so, 18th Century.

Rick: I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.

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by: coram nobis @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 20:03:48 PM CDT

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Very insulting

It's very insulting and trivializes gay people.

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by: kathygnome @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 18:12:56 PM CDT

Andy wants a favor

or come to help fund the tools we need to help move the President s agenda, which includes +our+ agenda

Dear me. I didn't know +our+ [sic] agenda included being dissed in open court. And it isn't just our agenda that gets diddled while they're lounging poolside contributing more to the process. It seems Obama's DOJ is partying like it's 2005 and Gonzales is still AG: go over to McClatchy and cross-examine this!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom...

Not pretty, no my preciouss.

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by: coram nobis @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 20:01:05 PM CDT

Andy makes me want to barf

Before reading this I thought he was just a guy in a very difficult position.

Now I see he's a stupid, brainless tool.  

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by: Clarknt67 @ Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 22:40:56 PM CDT

Baldwin Fundraising for DNC to Protest?

I saw openly lesbian Rep. Tammy Baldwin speak on Rachel Maddow's show the other night.  When Dr. Maddow (she has a PhD in Political Science) asked Rep. Baldwin about the DNC LGBT Leadership Council Dinner, Tammy Baldwin said she will go to the dinner to protest Obama's DOJ defense of DoMA.

How exactly does one protest anti-gay actions by the Democratic Party and Democratic President Barack Obama by helping them raise money, $1000 a plate?

That is some twisted logic.  I guess that is why Tammy Baldwin is a politician: she now believes her own BS.

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by: g2k @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 10:03:11 AM CDT