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July 2nd Could Spell The Beginning of the End for Prop 8 - The Team Behind the Case

by: UnitetheFight.org

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 17:36:43 PM EDT


UPDATE: Report on today's hearing at Unite the Fight.org.

July 2nd could mark the beginning of the end to Prop 8, the controversial initiative that stripped California's LGBT population of the right to marry.

Why? Because on July 2nd, the first hearing of the federal case brought against Prop 8 by power team Ted Olson and David Boies will be heard in the North California U.S. District Court with the case assigned to Judge Vaughn Walker.

Even more dramatically, Olson and Boies, who have an amazing track record of winning cases, had requested a preliminary injunction against the initiative while the courts heard the merits of their case. In other words, this would have put the enforcement of Prop 8 in the Golden State on hold during the trial, consequently allowing same-sex marriages to occur again.

The hearing on July 2nd would've centered around the merits of the injunction, but Judge Walker had other thoughts in mind, calling recently for a move to “proceed expeditiously to trial."

“Given that serious questions are raised in these proceedings ... the court is inclined to proceed directly and expeditiously to the merits of plaintiffs' claims," the judge declared. “The just, speedy and inexpensive determination of these issues would appear to call for proceeding promptly to trial."

(See Case Document and Motion for Preliminary Injunction, Judge Walker's Order for Trial)

This can be seen as a very good sign. The arguments for an injunction mirror the arguments to end Prop 8 altogether, and as the judge stated in his order, this simply demands that a trial must begin right away. Why put a "band-aid" on the situation when you can end the pain altogether?

UnitetheFight.org :: July 2nd Could Spell The Beginning of the End for Prop 8 - The Team Behind the Case

“We are encouraged that the judge wants to dispense with the preliminaries and move quickly toward a final ruling on the unconstitutionality of Proposition 8," Olson said in a press release. "This case is about protecting people's fundamental Constitutional rights, and we agree that it is in everyone's best interest to resolve this matter as quickly as possible. We are prepared to move forward at as fast a pace as the court desires.”

Prop 8 may be history very soon. That's a lot to take in. But that's what would happen in the best of circumstances. Many different circumstances can shift the fate of this case and how Prop 8 continues its reign over California.

It can be confusing sorting out all the facts, especially given some of the controversy surrounding the case. So I decided to go straight to the source for clarification on all the different possible outcomes and ramifications and spoke to the team taking the Prop 8 to task.

But first, some background.

How the Case Began

To find out how the case came into being, I went to Chad Griffin. Chad, who is openly gay, began his political career over a decade ago as the youngest person to work on a president's West Wing staff and now works for his own political and communications strategy firm, Griffin Schake.

Similar to the experiences of millions of LGBT across the country, Chad told me about his own on election day. "I'm a political strategist - I was devastated like everyone - such a bittersweet experience with Obama becoming president while the banning of gay marriage in California and gay adoption in my home state of Arkansas passed. It was very difficult to celebrate."

After allowing only a few hours to be depressed, Chad and some politically progressive friends, such as movie director Rob Reiner, producer Bruce Cohen and screenwriter Dustin Lance Black, began discussing what was next.

"We're in a war, and we discussed where we could take the war. If you have a single goal in winning that war, you want to have the opposition on the defensive on all fronts," Chad said.  By the end of their discussion, they believed a federal case against Prop 8 would be a powerful next step.

Not long after, these friends, along with Griffin's business partner Kristina Schake, founded the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER), created with the sole purpose to support this case. Not long after, they announced the board.

But who was to fight this case?

How Ted Olson and David Boies Took Up the Case

Chad recounted to me the night that he and the future board members of the AFER discussed next steps.

"We went down this path, discussing where donors can be putting their money and activists where they could be spending their time. In our discussions, someone mention that perhaps [Ted] Olson held the same view as us on gay marriage. I responded with skepticism and doubt."

Why such doubt? If you recall the infamous presidential election of 2000 and the historical Bush V. Gore Supreme Court case which effectively determined the final result of the contested 2000 Presidential election.  Guess who argued for Bush. Ted Olson. He was later appointed by Bush as U.S. Solicitor General and served in the position until 2004.

Chad put aside his skepticism and gave Olson a call and was pleasantly surprised. They agreed to meet in Washington DC where Olson began to inform Chad of his impassioned beliefs for the equal rights of all LGBT.

"I realized I could be sitting in the room with the most eloquent, articulate game-changing spokesperson of our movement. As the conversation went on, I was quite impressed with his analysis of the legal aspects," Chad told Unite the Fight. "We discussed timing, on now versus wait, and the arguments that could be used for and against, and the impacts on the LGBT community - how state sanctioned discrimination leads to the real life consequences, such as rising suicide rates in LGBT youth, who are being kicked out of their homes when they come out. Ted expressed his long held personal views of support for same-sex marriage."

By the end of the meeting, Olson was on board, but Chad believed an "equally prominent co-counsel" was needed to push the case to the forefront of the fight for equal rights.

Olson suggested another powerhouse attorney David Boies, the lawyer he faced down in the Bush V. Gore case. Equally prominent indeed.

It didn't take long to get Boies on board, and the once opposing attorneys immediately got to work. With two sets of same-sex unmarried couples with a desire to marry acting as plaintiffs, the case was filed and immediately, the media frenzy began. (AFER press conference.)

Criticisms Against the Case

Immediately, large organizations objected to the case, calling it premature and fearing that a loss could set back the marriage equality movement years if not decades.  The ACLU told Time that "The U.S. Supreme Court typically does not get too far ahead of either public opinion or the law in the majority of states."

"Look at the Loving vs. Virginia case – if Loving would have waited for public opinion to catch up, they would have waited years if not decades," Chad told me. "Only 17 percent of the American public were in favor of interracial marriage."

"We’re now approaching 50 percent of the American public [in favor of marriage equality]. We have six states with marriage equality. The Supreme Court and our court system was not designed to wait on public opinion," Chad continued.

"We can all agree to disagree on different tactics but at the end of the day, we all have the same goal - we can all agree on winning full federal rights for all lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people," Chad told me. But in most cases, "The response to the case has been overwhelmingly positive."

AFER has also continued to talk to the specific organizations that originally objected, and after hearing more about the case, they have reacted more positively.  Since this discussion, the ACLU has done a 180 and along with other organizations, has filed "friend of the court" briefs in support of the case, as well as California Gov. Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown.

This led me to more specific questions. Why go federal now, especially with a divided Supreme Court with a conservative makeup? What's the grounds of the argument of the case?

Chad humbly admitted to not being a lawyer and kindly directed me to Ted Boutrous Jr., partner at Gibson, Dunn and Cruther of which Ted Olson is also a partner.

But before signing off, Chad said, "I don’t think it’s correct to say that we have a divided [Supreme] Court – we have a 4/4 with Kennedy being a swing vote. The last two gay cases winning with a 5-4 vote."

The Timing and Specifics of the Case

"We think we can win and can win now," Ted Boutrous told me. "Based on the Supreme Court decisions in the Lawrence vs. Texas and Romer vs. Evans [gay rights] cases, the arguments are extremely strong."

"Olson and Boies believe we can win now, and to win, you have to go in and give the arguments," Boutrous continued. "It’s been the Supreme Court that has really been the change agent when it comes down to striking down discriminatory laws."

Olson has a 75% win for his cases with Boies having an equally impressive track record, and both have argued numerous cases in front of the U.S. Supreme Court. If they believe we can win, that's not something you take in lightly.

In talking with Boutrous and reading the AFER website, I learned of the core arguments supporting the federal case against Prop 8.

According to the suit, Prop 8:

There's been a lot of talk about the case reaching the U.S. Supreme Court, but I wanted to know what had to happen first before it got there. Boutrous helped break it down for me.

First, the case must be heard in the  North California U.S. District Court by Judge Vaughn Walker. As mentioned, the hearing begins on July 2nd, and on this day, Judge Walker and the attorneys on both sides of the issue will determine how to “proceed expeditiously to trial."

Second, most likely either side will appeal the ruling if it goes against their liking. In this case, it will then reach the United States Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

It will only be after that ruling will either side appeal to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. But even then, the high court may not hear it. They will have to decide whether or not to take the case certiorari, which is the decision of the court to review a lower court's opinion by "rule of four." This means, four Supreme Court justices have to agree to hear the case.

Though one could never predict how the Supreme Court justices will decide, one major deciding factor tends to be whether or not the lower courts have made opposing decisions favoring one side or the other.

Either way you look at it, it could be awhile before the U.S. Supreme Court hears any case on Prop 8.

But I still had questions about the ramifications of the case going through the court system. What if the case wins? What if it loses? What effect, if any, will it have on a new initiative to repeal Prop 8 in either 2010 or 2012?

Ramifications of the Federal Case Against Prop 8

"First, we strongly believe we’re going to win," Boutrous reiterated. "Second, whatever the court rules, it will be a crucial and necessary step to ultimate victory in equality for all. It’s not an all or nothing case."

When I asked him what he meant, he explained, "This case will lay the foundation and create building blocks for future cases. Unless the courts begin now to examine these federal constitutional issues, it could be decades before progress is made."

But isn't it still a big risk for the movement?

"When you file a lawsuit like this, lawyers and clients need to do an analysis, and we determined now is the time do raise these challenges," Boutrous said, again pointing to the phenomenal expertise of Olson and Boies.  "You do have to factor in the inherent challenges - We expect to win."

"You’re not going to be able to gain your constitutional rights unless you go into court and argue for them," he noted. "We think either way its crucial to get this issue before the Supreme Court now, or it can take 10, 20 30 years before we gain equality for all.  We think this is the time to raise these claims, we think we’re going to win."

So what will it do for our rights if the case gains final victory?

"It could lead to the elimination of barriers across the country by the way the ruling is framed," Boutrous answered.

But specific rights gained either just in California or nationwide lie in the details of the Supreme Court ruling itself, which no one can predict.

"With the Supreme Court, it could rule broadly [for all of the nation] or a targeted way against Prop 8, but we believe either way, the ruling would have signification ramifications across the country," Boutrous told me.

In other words, California LGBT residents may earn back their right to marry, but the state-by-state battle would still continue. Or, the Supreme Court can say to hell with all the laws in the nation banning same-sex marriage, and the whole U.S. LGBT population will finally be allowed to legally marry and gain federal recognition.

How will this case affect a repeal Prop 8 effort in California in either 2010 or 2012?

Boutrous echoed Chad's earlier words about fighting for LGBT rights on all fronts, both at the local level and at the federal level. If Prop 8 is overturned through a voter referendum, it could in fact render their case "moot."

"We could very likely be geared to file a lawsuit in another state that continue to ban same-sex marriage. If Prop 8 were overturned at the ballot box, we would likely take everything that we have done in California and fight the battle there."

"Olson and Boies are on opposite sides of the political aisle.  We think, to the public, this could help enhance the likelihood of success at the ballot box," Boutrous continued. "If the worst news we get is that the voters have wiped Prop 8 off the books at the ballot box, then we will reevaluate our case with smiles on our faces."

After talking to the very helpful Ted Boutrous Jr. and Chad Giffin, I was ready to type up everything I learned and share it to the Unite the Fight readership.

But then the horrible and offensive Department of Justice (DOJ) brief defending DOMA was released under the watch of Obama's Administration in reaction to another federal case. As I got caught up in reporting on the brief, I kept thinking, "What bearing at all does this have on the Prop 8 case?"

The Consequences of the DOMA Brief for the Federal Case Against Prop 8

Armed with new questions, I was directed to to speak to Gibson Dunn and Crutcher partner Matthew McGill, who is on the Prop 8 litigation team at the firm.

I jumped right in, asking, "The DOJ just issued a brief defending DOMA, and stated that 'DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles.' Though your case is against Prop 8 and not DOMA, doesn't this still cut down the core of your argument against it? How will this affect your case?"

McGill didn't skip a beat.

"We don’t think it affects it very much if at all," he said. "The analysis is quite different as to whether a federal statute violates the [Equal Protection] principles as opposed to this particular state provision. We think it’s an entirely different analysis."

"We think that the government's defense of DOMA is quite wrong and wrong-headed. It’s not a defensible position for any number of independent reasons," he continued. "When the government discriminates, it has to have a reason. For certain forms of discrimination, it has to have a really powerful reason."

"Some of the interests that the government might use to defend DOMA arise out of the fact that the federal government uniquely has to deal with 50 states plus DC and Puerto Rico and other territories and all of these state regimes at the same time," McGill said. "The federal government argues this allows it to apply the lowest common denominator when it comes to marriage equality. It only need recognize as valid marriages the stingiest state view of marriage."

So where does Prop 8 fit into this?

"That argument is simply not available to defend Prop 8," McGill answered. "[California] is not in the position of the federal government having to contend with 50 different legal regimes."

"When you’re taking on a federal statute like DOMA, you’re taking on the United States," McGill told me. "I think part of the reason we’ve chosen at this point to limit our challenge to Prop 8 is to take things one step at a time. When people heard that a federal lawsuit had been filed, they assumed it was an all or nothing gambit for those seeking marriage equality. And that’s simply not true. We’d be very satisfied to establish marriage equality in California, and then work from that precedent to move and take on the next battle in a position of strength."

Thursday, July 2nd

So, with my questions having been answered by the helpful team fighting Prop 8, I now wait with bated breath for Thursday, July 2nd, to watch them in action as the hearings for the case begin, leading hopefully to a speedy trial, and ultimately, the end of Prop 8.

No one said this was going to be an easy fight, nor did they claim there was one path to victory.  But in my humble opinion, it can't hurt to be fighting on all fronts, including the extremely difficult federal front. But with the amazing Olson and Boies on our side, a team that Chad beautifully described as our movement's "grandest of coups," how can we not support it?

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Very Informative
It's nice to have a well researched and well thought out piece like this on the Blend. It leaves me with no unanswered questions. Thank you.

Close the GayTM. Only give to candidates who have actually done something other than make promises - most are just pandering for our cash.

Thank you for this resource.
Your writing style made this into a "page turner" for me. I hope you will be keeping us updated as necessary.

I have a couple of questions, but not specifically about Prop 8.

Though one could never predict how the Supreme Court justices will decide, one major deciding factor tends to be whether or not the lower courts have made opposing decisions favoring one side or the other.
Would the fact of opposing decisions from the lower courts make the SCOTUS more inclined to take the case?

Do you know how it works when especially high-powered lawyers take a case like this? Would Olson and Boies be involved in the over-arching strategy and arguments at court, with underlings doing all the research and scut work? Or do the big names get involved in all aspects of the case?


Believe it or not
This became a topic of discussion with the lawyers. It IS true that SCOTUS tends to take cases that have contradicting rulings in the lower courts. If the lower courts tend to agree with each other, SCOTUS doesn't really see the point in inserting their opinion - usually, they'll let the lower courts do their jobs. If they don't agree with each other, then they they'll step in and give the final decision.

Naturally, there are exceptions.

As for high-profile lawyers being attached to the case, no one is willing to say that this is factor, least of all the high justices. But they're human, and they know the case will be well presented and argued. Familiarity with the lawyers certainly helps.

And yes, Olson and Boies are definitely involved in the strategy and argument. Tomorrow, I believe Olson is arguing.  


[ Parent ]
Yes!
I was otherwise skeptical until I saw that our community has lined up behind them since their initial announcement. But I can see this is going to go well for us win or lose. It forces the federal Government to take a position and the fact that they have avoided one so long on the legal front has been on major delay in achieving our goals. I am excited for this new plan and I think as this case moves forward we should press Congress and the Administration to continue to pay attention. Keep pressing in on all fronts!

Always thinking about it...

I hope
that Federal recognition will include some provision for binational couples that are almost always stuck in limbo.

This case and it's ruling will be too late for me and my partner. Were having to move to Canada. God speed on the case.


[ Parent ]
WRONG WRONG WRONG....

....and the whole U.S. LGBT population will finally be allowed to legally marry and gain federal recognition.

NOT the US MILITARY! None of the gay ones could marry!.
Just as they cannot even keep their careers now. NADA for them but
dishonor from their superiors, primarily their Commander in Chief.



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


Let the weapon do its work
I agree we won't get this through dismantling prop 8. We will get it though if we have to dismantle each congress and administration until one of us realizes how serious we are about honoring OUR veterans. We move on multiple fronts not just one.

Always thinking about it...

[ Parent ]
Yep, thats why our discharge VETS...

Must stay OUT and PROUD and LOUD,and call on all their friends, and family supporters to do the same.

And all should have on 266 Badges on bunting ribbon on 4th of July to broadcast our support.  Going to make one up via Print Shop, will post when done. 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
But overall a very good blog thanks!.. Posted immediately on facebook.
...nor did they claim there was one path to victory

I should hope not, that is the benefit of this simple case. One, California is the only state whose Supreme Court has said that marriage is a fundamental right of everyone... now it just needs to be proven that that means anyone to any other chosen one...OR ELSE THERE IS BLATANT DISCRIMINATION.

We also, I am told, have a goodly liberal 9th Circuit Bench....

But, in addition, good law should be like good medicine... you ALWAYS must have a back up treatment plan/case plan if the one you offer to try first is refused or does not succeed.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Completely agree with you
That was not meant to ignore the blotch on our nation's honor that is DADT or the horrible discrimination our LGBT servicemembers face, but just an attempt of putting a potential SCOTUS ruling in the simplest of terms.

Naturally, such a ruling would not solve everything. If only though.


[ Parent ]
Oh, I know.

Just as you say some cases are decided braodly some are narrow. It's just that I am a bit raw from DADT this week, what with SF Pride with Dan and Knights Out Marching and then being discharged yesterday.. and another running here for congress (Anthony Woods)...and Lt. Col. Fehrenbach being so gracious re the OBAMA cocktease party.

 

Anyway, just to put it somewhere. Here is a Fourth of July BADGE I made up.

Pic and link. COPY, Print Out, Paste up and WEAR Proudly, if you wish. Of course, be prepared to explain and defend too.

tinyurl.com/mr8q4n

  




It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
question............
How narrowly do the plaintiffs' counsel want to argue this?  The easiest argument to make against 8 is that it creates two classes of gay relationship recognition in the same state.  That seems pretty much a slam dunk, and I doubt the SCOTUS would hear it.

It would almost certainly apply to Iowa and Maine and other states where marriage exists already, and possibly to states that have recognized out-of-state marriages (NY, RI, DC, and possibly MD).   It also would be great optics for legislative and ballot fights in other states.

If the 9th Circuit rules that you can't have a class of relationship recognition for gay couples and deny marriage, then it affects OR, WA, HI, NV, and probably NJ and WI (and IL by that point I'd guess), as well as the states above.  Whether SCOTUS would hear that seems like a toss-up.

Or the court could argue that all marriage bans are unconstitutional and SCOTUS would definately hear that.

It seems that the first option is the most direct and the easiest way to remedy the issue in the complaint.  

Are they attempting not to get this to apply to states that have not yet allowed or recognized marriages?  



Great post.
Chad Griffin is a fool who will cost us all the progress we've made in the last forty years.

Ted Olson is an extremist right-wing traitor who has spent his entire career working against everything good up to and including the point he gave us eight years of Dick Cheney.

David Boies lost the most important case of his career and our country to a less extreme Court than the one to whom he's going to argue and lose this case.

This SCOTUS will decide against us.

I hope there's a special place in hell for Chad Griffin, I really do.  Maybe it can be the same place Ted Olson is going?

At any rate, no need to worry about any of our other issues, because the outcome of this plot will most likely decide all of those.


a lot of that.....
......is probably true, but we have a great case based on the two existing classes of gay couple recognition in California.  That is a clear violation of equal protection, even the CA Supremes set us up for a Federal challenge -- in their ruling they themselves called it discrimination.

You are wrong about this suit.  The court will rule very narrowly and the SCOTUS will decline to hear it because the narrow ruling (see my post above) does not have national import.


[ Parent ]
I agree
The ruling will be narrowly tailored to address only Prop. 8 as taking away rights and creating two separate classes of legal recognition for same-sex relationships in California.  It will not address the broader issue of state constitutional bans on same-sex marriage.

The issue will be appealed to the Ninth District Court of Appeals, who will uphold the decision of the lower court.

The U.S. Supreme Court will decline to hear an appeal from the Ninth District Court of Appeals, allowing the decision against Prop. 8 to stand for California and side stepping the issue at the national level.


[ Parent ]
I agree also
At this point, it is no longer a question of if same-sex marriage will happen in the US - it already is (just not everywhere). For the federal court(s) to say that it is OK to have two seperate classes of people within a class of people seems highly unlikely and highly difficult to support with precedents. A narrow ruling on just Prop 8 is the most likely outcome and an outcome in our favor.

We should all send "thank you" cards to the Mormon and Catholic Churchs for Prop 8. It is the golden gift we needed. It did not deny rights, it took them away. And the California Supreme Court made it even better by creating the two classes of same-sex marriage. Wow - thank you, thank you, thank you.

Close the GayTM. Only give to candidates who have actually done something other than make promises - most are just pandering for our cash.


[ Parent ]
that's a great.......
.......way to look at it John.  

The optics are great.   I will help directly in Maine, Iowa, NY, RI, and MD, and legislatively for next year in blue states: IL, HI, OR, WA, etc.


[ Parent ]
are you sure it will be narrow?
Then what exactly is that fundamental liberties interest it lists first? Surely, it is the right to marriage (as far as the California Supreme Court ruled - it is simply and only word marriage that is different between pre and post Prop 8). If it's just the question of rights of marriage, they already have all of those, at least as far as the California Supremes ruled.

[ Parent ]
ummm, not quite
If it's just the question of rights of marriage, they already have all of those, at least as far as the California Supremes ruled.

Well, almost all of them.  It's more correct to say that the CA SC said that we were entitled to all the rights of marriage still, and had all the substantial ones.  The few state law differences that remain (see footnote 24, pages 42-44 of the In Re Marriage Cases decision (not the Strauss decision)) for a list.  Examples: Confidential marriage status (or it's DP equivalent) is still denied to same-sex couples, only opposite-sex couples may get married (or equivalent) without living together.

I do think the CA SC nodded that it would strike down those provisions if asked, but interestingly, they chose not to do so themselves at that time.  Curious.

I'm sorry this is a bit of a pedantic digression, and if I have offended because of that I apologize, but I think it's important to understand that it domestic partnerships remain quite unequal in California.


[ Parent ]
thanks
I am not offended, and it wasn't pedantic. That was precisely the kind of answer to my question I was looking for. (I mean I read in re Marriage cases about a year ago.)

[ Parent ]
more delays
I was wondering how the differences between marriage and domestic partnerships were going to be addressed.  The CASC left a gaping hole between the two, without addressing how same-sex couples achieved all the rights and recognition of marriage without the name.  California has proven domestic partnerships and New Jersey has proven civil unions are not the same as and recognized equivalent to marriage.

The CASC already addressed this in their decision In Re: Marriages, that same-sex couples were entitled to equal participation in the state institution currently called marriage and it was less disruptive to allow same-sex couples the name marriage, then to deny it to everyone.  Their ruling on Prop. 8 should have followed their decision in In Re: Marriage cases and denied marriage to everyone in California.


[ Parent ]
Very nice report. Thanks!
Excellent work, Folks!  I have added your website to my list of favorites.

God, next thing you know
Ken Starr will be on our side.

Now, I almost feel guilty that I celebrated when Olson's right-wing hate-monger wife was killed in the Pentagon plane crash on 9-11.

I think I did a jig and exclaimed, "Hooray, the wicked-bitch is dead." And, then a few months later, "Oh crap, Ted wasn't on the plane with her."

I normally counsel that we should take our allies and converts where we find them, but Ted Olson? Next thing you know, Anita Bryant and Bayh Buchanan will be marrying each other.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)


Thank you Chad Griffin

This Gay American is fully supporting your efforts. I plan to forward your website unitethefight.org to other LGBT supporters and their families, so they in turn will become more educated on the subject and continue to pass it along.  This article armed and educated me with great talking points, as we are all responsible for participating in this effort. The high profile of Ted Olson and David Boies elevates this issue and places it on the discussion table of our national conscious. For that I am grateful.  

Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving."
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton


case raises national legal consciousness
regarding our civil rights.  The judges deciding my case at the U.S. Tax Court in D.C. are looking at this case. Many are fiends with these powerful D.C. attorneys.  The IRS was well aware of the GLAD case when I went to trial in San Diego.  Now this case is on the front burner.  Hooray.   And thanks Chad Griffin.  It just takes one person to stir the pot and to expect a consensus from the so called "LGBT community" is a fantasy.  It takes passion from individuals and married couples to make the changes.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

[ Parent ]
ProtectMarriage and ADF
have been granted to intervene to protect Prop 8, especially since neither the Gov nor AG Brown's offices will.

Andrew Pungo, counsel for ProtectMarriage (the Yes on 8 group) is running for CA Assembly next year in a Red district north and east of Sacramento.  I read his bio.  He worked for CA Assb Robert Knight as one of his first jobs...Knight being the mover behind 2000 Prop 22.  


I love this quote from Boies
He's arguing a case on the east coast.  Not sure if he's even in town for today.  Love this quote from Law.com article:
"All that supports Proposition 8 is a slogan that says marriage is between a man and a woman." He continued: "It's sometimes frustrating to deal with a slogan as opposed to an argument.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/dig...

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Here's a Link to the SF Chronicle's Article on Today's Hearing
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

Next deadline for written submissions is August 7th when both sides must submit a memorandum on what they agree on and what they dispute.


I'm disappointed...
that an injunction against Prop H8 wasn't issued, but I can understand the reasoning, since there's no doubt that the H8ers would have appealed the injunction all the way to the SCOTUS.

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