Uganda to ban LGBT advocacy

What, In The Grand Scheme Of Things, Is Important?

This is.

Close the GayTM. Only give to candidates who have actually done something other than make promises - most are just pandering for our cash.

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by: JohnVisser @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 20:20:16 PM CDT

Don't worry.

I'm sure the Obama administration will use every diplomatic tool at its disposal to put a stop to this.

And then the Easter Bunny will give us all marshmallow chickies and we'll live happily ever after with our Ugandan brothers and sisters.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 20:27:22 PM CDT

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Reaping what The First Pastor helped sow....

Uganda: Gay Row - U.S. Pastor Supports Country On Boycott

The Kampala Monitor
29 March 2008

Kampala - FAMED American pastor, Dr Rick Warren has said he supports the decision by Ugandan bishops to boycott the forthcoming Lamebth conference in England, United Kingdom.

The conference brings together Bishops of the Anglican Communion from all 38 Provinces of the Communion every 10 years.

"The Church of England is wrong and I support the Church of Uganda(CoU) on the boycott," Dr Warren said on Thursday shortly after arriving in Uganda.

The Bishops are protesting the Church of England's tolerance a homosexuality. Announcing the boycott in February, Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi said that Uganda's action had been prompted by the invitation of bishops of The US Episcopal Church (TEC) who in 2003 elected as bishop, Gene Robinson, a divorced man living in an active homosexual relationship.

Rev. Orombi said the Archbishops of all the 38 Provinces of the Anglican Communion strongly opposed the election of Gene Robinson as bishop - and in a meeting shortly after the election "warned that, if they proceeded with the consecration, their action would "tear the fabric of the Anglican Communion at its deepest level."

Dr Warren said that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right. "We shall not tolerate this aspect at all," Dr Warren said." - 30 -

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by: Michael Bedwell @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 11:59:58 AM CDT

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Perspective.

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by: Louise @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:02:24 PM CDT

Basic survival

and not being sent to concentration camps. That's what they're fighting for in Uganda.

And the Religious Whi..ur, Reich is helping them.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:08:41 PM CDT

Priorities

Because in a country that is beset by human sacrifice, one better make sure homosexuality is outlawed as soon as possible.

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by: Kipoc @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:12:30 PM CDT

In other words...

He also stated that it would become impossible for homosexuals to address press conferences and attract people to their cause, once the Bill becomes law.

In other words, its exactly how Antonin Scalia would interpret the US Constitution if he could get away with it.

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:45:05 PM CDT

Barney was right

Scalia is a homophobe. To me this is proof that a god does not exist. If one did, he/she would have given Scalia a chronic case of painful hemmoroids so he would not be able to SIT on his bench of judgment.

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by: JohnVisser @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 22:13:25 PM CDT

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Oh come on, JonhV!

Looking at a platypus didn't give you some clue as to the nonexistence? ;)

I mean, what the heck is that- leftovers from the Nature Barrel shoved together?


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by: Louise @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 22:25:34 PM CDT

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ROFLMAO

Had to read it twice to get it, but that sh*t was funny.

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by: JohnVisser @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 00:01:28 AM CDT

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I always saw the Platypus...

as one of the more hilarious examples of God's sense of humour. After, of course, Homo Sapiens.

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by: tavdy79 @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 03:29:08 AM CDT

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Oh YES!

Easily the funniest critter on earth...

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by: Louise @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:39:52 AM CDT

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Dr. James Nsaba Buturo (idiot in chef)

No aid without LGBT rights the UN must stand up for LGBT basic human right in Africa.

Love who you are on the inside and the outside will follow.

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by: Abi Christopher @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:46:46 PM CDT

Ha! UN?

This is what UN's stance looks like.

The darker the blue hues - more lgbt rights.
The darker the brown hues - the harsher the penalty. (Brown is death penalty.
Grey area - "no information," but I'll tell you for a fact, that most of that grey area means bad news if you're lgbt.

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by: avocado @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:16:21 AM CDT

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Frightening map

Thank you, avocado- had never seen this illustration and it is powerful.

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by: Louise @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:41:14 AM CDT

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P.S.

Remember that U.N.-connected piece of paper calling for decriminalization of homosexuality that Bush didn't want to sign and Obama did sign? That piece of paper was not brought as a resolution. It was brought as a declaration by countries that were willing to sign it. If it was a resolution, it clearly wouldn't have passed.

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by: avocado @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 04:37:10 AM CDT

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I would love to add a comment

However, I fear that something I write will cause the language bullies to pick something out of context and claim that I am sexist, racist, transphobic, or just plain stupid.

The chilling effect is making it mighty cold here at PHB.

Anyone care for an iced latte?

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- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:47:11 PM CDT

Damn, that looks good!

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:55:10 PM CDT

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please help us reset the tone

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by: Lurleen @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 02:53:33 AM CDT

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Where the f*** is JSol's HRC press release on this?

Lemme guess.... Gay and Lesbian rights are human rights in America, but no one's paying attention to Africa!

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by: greatwhitebear @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 22:07:56 PM CDT

Are you kidding?

In HRC's view, LGBT rights are only human rights in America when it's convenient for the Democratic Party.  If ever.

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-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:22:01 AM CDT

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Has HRC ever claimed

that it's purview is worldwide?  I don't think so.  HRC deserves criticism, but not for not being what it never claimed to be.  Might as well blame your local police department for a robbery in my state.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 12:38:40 PM CDT

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Huh?

My comment was specifically about HRC's pose in America.  I don't see your point.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 15:57:12 PM CDT

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we're in a sub-thread asking

why HRC hasn't commented on the situation in Uganda.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 18:22:08 PM CDT

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Pride in Our Nation on July 4th

And, of course, over the last several years, there has been a veritable train of American evangelical Christian pastors visiting Uganda, consulting with that country’s government and religious leaders on how to turn anti-gay bigotry into a money-making enterprise and a tool for consolidation of political power.

The United States may not manufacture much of anything useful anymore — outside, that is, of the weapons of war — but we can surely take pride in our export of divinely approved hatred and oppression.

It’s something small to be thankful for as we celebrate our nation’s Independence Day !

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by: Jim @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 22:30:02 PM CDT

I'm surprised

that Uganda hadnt banned LGBT advocacy sooner. It's a depressing state of affairs in most of Africa. They are so far behind the times. Hope it gets better asap.

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by: LoveMoby @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 23:55:07 PM CDT

Forget working through the UN

Use the same strategy that got the drinking age raised to 21 and the speed limit reduced to 55 (originally).

PEPFAR funds are going out, and no one is going to argue that PEPFAR funds aren't absolutely necessary--just tie as a condition for disbursement of funds that the governments of receiving countries must decriminalize homosexuality.

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by: MileHighDawg @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 07:57:27 AM CDT

I can't wait for Obama to invite

I wonder how long it will take Obama to invite President Museveni and Minister Buturo to the White House so that he can congratulate them for their Godly approach to human rights and announce he's asking congress to triple foreign aid to Uganda?


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by: oldbrit @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 10:15:01 AM CDT

A Little More Context

Obviously, this oppressive regulation is unacceptable, but it might be useful to at least note a little more about the context.

Uganda (and Nigeria and Kenya) lie right at the border between Islamic North Africa and non-Islamic (Cislamic? [joke]) Central Africa. Part of the dynamic in this region, I suspect, is Christians competing against Islam to demonstrate to wavering masses that Islam, which has been spreading southward, is not better at providing definitive moral guidance than Christianity. This boundary, from East Africa to West Africa, is especially hot with homophobia right now. I don't think it is that this particular band of one continent is especially homophobic. There's a "frontier" factor at play here. Note that both Uganda and Kenya immediately border Sudan on the north.

All that having been said, my partner and I visited Kenya in 2006, and it was one of the best experiences of our lives. We spent part of our time with a native Kenya friend from the U.S., and didn't walk around holding hands or anything. And as whites and Americans, we undoubtedly had some privileges and stuck pretty much to tourist destinations. But I wouldn't want people to be discouraged from visiting (at least Kenya) because of maps of sodomy penalties, and that kind of thing. Even in a predominantly Muslim destination in northern Kenya, we had a wonderful experience.

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by: uh_huhh @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 11:57:26 AM CDT

border areas

I had a long conversation about a year ago with an Anglican priest from Australia along the same lines. The worst anti-gay Christians are in areas where they're trying to fight the Islamic influence. He said the culture of the area is homophobic and if the Anglicans (his direct area of experience) were "soft" on gays, they'd lose ground to the Muslims. I'm sure that's a great consolation to the LGBT people in the area.  

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by: sandushinka @ Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 08:53:03 AM CDT

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Areas most intolerant to LGBT are nothing but sh*tholes.

There are places intolerant to the LGBT community that are really blighted.  Look at a few examples:

Uganda
Nigeria
Oklahoma
Iran
Sudan
Zimbabwe
Kansas
probably Utah

Any more on the list?

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by: Blood From Machines @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 12:34:00 PM CDT

United States

The United States under Bigot/Bastard Hypocrite Obama.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)

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by: oldbrit @ Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:16:54 AM CDT

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Colonized, marginalized countries never got a fair shake in the global economy

Feeling impotent when it comes to matters of consequence like GDP and balance of trade that are in the control of more powerful white nations, filled with resentment and desperate to strike out at something-- at least they can scapegoat and beat up on those who are weaker and more marginalized.

Abuse begets abuse. I blame the racist system of global capitalism. Here in the center we live lives of ease on the backs of people in the periphery. If we didn't exploit the resources of periphery countries to our advantage, and allowed them to share in prosperity, would they have as much reason to stomp on their own weak and marginalized people, just so they could feel like men?

I'm not absolving or excusing the evil of the homophobia that is practiced there. Just looking at how all is interconnected in a global perspective.

Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

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by: Hypatia @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 12:46:26 PM CDT

Less capitalism...

...than colonialism and the western religion it brought with it.

Communist countries have been among the most homophobic...in some cases, e.g., China, throwing out the Xtian religionists but keeping the homohatred they spawned.

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by: Michael Bedwell @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 13:26:41 PM CDT

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That too

As if it wasn't bad enough already. American fundies have African blood on their hands.

Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls

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by: Hypatia @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 15:52:11 PM CDT

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yes there are global connections for everything,

but the corrupt government is comprised of ugandans.  certainly the former colonial era helped set the stage for what we see now (in kenya too) and world economics exacerbates all ills, but it is corrupt ugandans in the ugandan government who are most responsible for the sh!thole mess they have made their country into.  a country can only blame external forces for so long.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 13:36:12 PM CDT

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Let's not forget

Uganda had one of the most evil, most brutal dictators of all history in Idi Amin.

They may claim Uganda's a democracy, but it's not that when the government dreams of taking away someone's right to speak.

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by: Marlene @ Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 05:42:24 AM CDT

As I said earlier,

I can't wait to see Obama invite President Museveni and Minister Buturo to the White House so that he can congratulate them for their Godly approach to human rights and announce he's asking congress to triple foreign aid to Uganda?

In fact, Obama will probably invite Rick Warren as well.

The saddest part is that the OAK* Society will applaud Obama for doing it.

* Obama Ass Kissing Society

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)

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by: oldbrit @ Mon Jul 06, 2009 at 11:21:42 AM CDT

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