Uncle Pat on MSNBC: America is "a country built basically by white folks"

"This country was built by white folks"

... after killing most of the red folks and kicking the rest into a little hole in the Southwest.

Lacey Davenport (of Doonesbury) had it right:

"Would someone give Pat a hamburger? We have work to do."

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by: dewdrop_world @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:08:20 PM CDT

Another irony is...

... 100 years ago, people like Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Rosevelt would have used the same argument against him.  

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by: CBrachyrhynchos @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:32:33 PM CDT

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Very good point....

We do forget Native American history/problems too often. Thanks for the reminder.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:46:25 PM CDT

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Very good point....

We do forget Native American history/problems too often. Thanks for the reminder.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:46:25 PM CDT

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I detest this "Uncle Pat" sh*t

It makes this truely EVIL racist homobigot misogynist seem like he's just a ditzy relative....he isn't, and neither is his hateful sister Bay...(the Buchanan with the better comb-over.)
Don't discount Buchanan's ability to code speak to White Power pigs, that otherwise rational people consider idiotic rants. Buchanan like Cheney and Rove are skilled at frightening some people, and giving them simplistic answers they crave.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:12:23 PM CDT

Detest is correct

I generally try not to use too dramatic of language when I'm online, but this time I feel its appropriate. This game MSNBC plays where we're all supposed to pretend like Pat Buchanan is not a hateful person stuck in a decade long past is ridiculous. I'm glad Rachel challenged him, but it would be even nicer if she had not given him a forum to spread his hate in the first place.

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by: joneke @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:45:03 PM CDT

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Apparently she likes him

And no, I don't understand it. I did love, though, the moment during the campaign, I believe right after Obama's acceptance speech in Denver, when Rachel brought up Pat's own hate-rant during the 1992 GOP convention and contrasted it with Obama's far more welcoming presentation. For once Buchanan looked absolutely dumbfounded and could not respond. I think that is when I fell in love (totally platonically) with Rachel Maddow.  

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by: CPT_Doom @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:52:05 PM CDT

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This afternoon Ron Reagan condemned Buchanan and said he liked him, too.

I don't get it, either, but I've always assumed that sort of disconnect is something that people who live in that world do, even if they're one of the good guys.  Maybe it's something you have to do to live in that world at all.

But it's absolutely the right thing to do to give these people a forum in which to humiliate themselves, no matter how unpleasant it is to have to watch.

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by: diablorobotico @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 21:00:42 PM CDT

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HIS will be a grave

I will happily spit upon someday.

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by: Louise @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:13:37 PM CDT

Put out some toilet paper near the grave too

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:15:31 PM CDT

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You will be spitting on it

I will be pissing on it.

I am the lizard queen!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:53:03 PM CDT

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Just give me a chance

To dance on it first.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:03:13 PM CDT

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wait til old crypt-keeper Phelps croaks

I'll put in a turnstyle for traffic, and disco ball above his grave...some painted dance step foot marks might be a nice touch too.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:13:58 PM CDT

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please don't desecrate

this simple man's grave.......because I need a clean, attractive spot to place the collection buckets for the NAACP and NGLTF on top of his grave.

nothing new at this time.....

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by: Mattkazoo @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 22:34:25 PM CDT

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Oh! Well, then...

We will make sure to keep it (the site) trimmed and manicured.  

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by: Louise @ Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:49:21 AM CDT

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RM, ask Pat about women in Congress next go-round!

I'm guessing that he would say it's a bad idea.

Breaking from Bangor Daily News:

U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe, R-Maine, today announced her support for the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the United States Supreme Court.

"I was impressed with Judge Sotomayor's comportment and obvious mastery of the law during this week's nomination hearings," Snowe said in a statement. "She appears neither rigid nor dogmatic in her approach to the essential task of constitutional interpretation."

"Barring any unforeseen developments, I expect to join the majority of my Senate colleagues in confirming Judge Sotomayor to a seat on the highest Court in the land before the August recess," she said.

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by: Louise @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:17:56 PM CDT

just. un. believable.

dig that gop grave deeper, pat.  can't be deep enough to bury the stench.

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by: Lurleen @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:23:11 PM CDT

This country was "built" on theft, rape and genocide

PERIOD!

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by: David Ehrenstein @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:31:58 PM CDT

Fuck Pat Buchanan

This country wasn't built by white men, but by people who were enslaved, raped, exploited, and murdered by white men. There's a big honkin' difference.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 14:50:54 PM CDT

A country built by white folks...

but the stones and mortar are the bones, blood and sweat of Blacks and Native Americans.

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:07:44 PM CDT

Even if Buchanan's claim were true (and anyone who's ever read a gradeschool history book ought to know that it isn't)

it certainly isn't true today.  Buchanan's disconnect from happening reality keeps getting more alarming.  If we actually lived in the kind of 18th century society he believes in, he'd be a resident of one of the better madhouses and there would be a metal cage over his head to keep him from babbling.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:08:32 PM CDT

well thats the problem QScribe

you were taught in one of those "public" schools, instead of being properly taught by your (forced to) stay at home mother.

As a proper home schooled child you would know God and Jesus created THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (as a christian nation of course) and while they built the mini-malls and dictated the great biblical laws, such as capitalism, they often road around on the back of dinosaurs.

Really you should read some of these home schooling text books, in-between fits of laughter and fits of crying for the future of our country; you will wonder how any sane person could write this material. But then you realize that, that is the problem.

nothing new at this time.....

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by: Mattkazoo @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 22:50:28 PM CDT

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ez fore u boys to sai

wee gurls r tot to kuk n clene n raze babiez; edukashun iz fore menfulk.

its gods wai. prase jezus.

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by: Louise @ Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:52:29 AM CDT

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For the record,

I am the product of twelve years of Catholic education, including a one-year stretch in a seminary.  Think Holy Mother Church has any regrets? :)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
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by: QScribe @ Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 12:08:35 PM CDT

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Pure crap

The only thing I can figure is that keeping Mr Pat around to spew his crap is a front and center reminder of why we need anti-discrimination laws.

And you gotta admit that for the person who's never been a target of discrimination it's easier to spot the hate in what Pat says than in the silver tongued speech of some of today's bigots.

On the other hand Pat gives cover to a lot of bigots out there who say things like "I'm not a bigot.  Pat Buchanan's a bigot but I'm not -- I just think we should protect our borders better to keep ourselves safe."  (rolls eyes)

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by: BobbiCW @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:18:30 PM CDT

As dewdrop reminds us...that is after we stole it from the RED men.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:47:31 PM CDT

Oh my ever-lovin' God

You have GOT to be kidding me? I mean, does the man have ANY understanding of history? Does he read, you know, books? Books written by actual scholars?!!

I had the pleasure of reading John Adams, the amazing biograhy by David McCullough. Guess what, Paddy boy, who do you think was holding down the Adams' fort in the face of the British blockade, widespread food shortages and disease - thereby ensuring future President JQ Adams had enough to eat while John Adams was busy building the country? How about his WIFE - you know, an actual woman.

How can anyone who has studied the founding of this country fail to understand the pivotal roles played by women, who had just as much to do with winning the Revolution (hello, anyone heard of Molly Pitcher? They have a rest stop named after her in Jersey and everything) and building this country as the men who literally owned them and prevented them from political power? Did we not all learn who saved the White House treasures as the British advanced in the War of 1812 - Dolly Madison.

As for the cracks about Gettysburg (which happened, IIRC, before widespread recruitment of former slaves to fight for the Union, and make less $$ than white soldiers even though both sides risked their lives) and Normandy - how many African-American sailors were killed in explosion of Port Chicago during WWII? And how many brave surviving African-American sailors refused to go back to work under the dangerous conditions that allowed the explosion, thereby risking their careers and freedom to do what was right? Was their sacrifice less than white counterparts who happened to die in battle? When Navy ships were sunk early in the war trapping their nearly all-black service personnel below, did their mothers cry less because their sons died cooking food or swabbing decks - the only positions that the Navy would allow them - instead of manning guns?

And what about Buchanan's own ancestors, who are the same as mine? Does he not realize that the Irish were considered a separate, and inferior, race in the 1800s? Does he not know if the INNA signs (Irish Need Not Apply)? Does he not know about the reactions of southern slave owners to the suggestion they rent their property out for the dangerous work of building canals (the owners refused to rent slaves because the slaves had economic value - they told the canal builders to use the Irish, because the Irish were even less valuable than slaves and no one would care if we died)?

The worst part about Buchanan's rant is that he doesn't even see, can't even comprehend, his own racism. He really feels that white men have lost something because a wider spectrum (all puns intended) of Americans have had the opportunity to succeed. I'd love to know what his reaction would be if we really ended affirmative action - of all kinds. Imagine his nieces and nephews no longer getting "legacy" status at elite Ivy-League institutions (legacies have some of the lowest test scores - lower than most, if not all, ethnic minority groups - within the Ivy League, IIRC). Imagine all those sqaush players and tennis players and wrestlers and volleyball players - the vast majority of whom are white - no longer getting admissions or scholarship preferences because of their athletic abilities.

The only good thing about this clip is Rachel. She is clearly a much more impressive professional than Paddy - after all, she managed to keep her head from exploding during that rant.  

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by: CPT_Doom @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 15:49:30 PM CDT

That made me sick to my stomach

It sounded like the last wail of a dying generation. I don't brush that generation with a broad stroke - many of them do not agree with him. However, many in that generation do. And they're struggling desperately to stay relevant.

I'm embarrassed for him. And unfortunately for him, he and his amusingly uneducated view will forever be on record, and in generations to come, a simple stroke of the keyboard will be all it takes to watch his sorry ass on the internet. And they will laugh at him.  

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by: UnitetheFight.org @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 16:41:24 PM CDT

That's what I thought about his 1992 convention speech

It sounded like the last wail of a dying generation.

That's what I thought about his 1992 convention speech - and then two years later, he and all of the bastards like him had managed to scare enough white people into turning the Congress over to a group of wackos who we now know to be hypocrites (all of them), murderers (Joe Scarborough), and psychotic sex addicts (those who are part of the C Street Cult.)

Fact: Pat's brand of racism isn't limited to his generation.  There may be fewer in the younger crowd, but they are there - and they tend to look less constipated than he does while they espouse it - and there are enough of them to make 2010 into 1994 if we aren't careful.

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 17:33:12 PM CDT

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That 1992 speech

As Dennis Miller put it (back when he was funny), that speech sounded much better in the original German.

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by: popebuck1 @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 19:39:46 PM CDT

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I believe that quip came from the wonderful Molly Ivins.

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by: Pollyanna @ Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 03:46:11 AM CDT

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WTF?

That argument doesn't make sense, but that doesn't stop people from saying it aloud on TV and it definitely doesn't stop die hard republicans from taking it to their shriveled little hearts and repeating it verbatim like it was gospel.
How much fail can be found in here?  Quite a bit actually.
"White men were 100% of the people that wrote the Constitution, 100% of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence,
Yes, rich landed white men did indeed do those things since they were the only ones allowed to own property and to vote.  Republicans today would have call them "elitists".  Well they would if didn't have someone waving the flag and screaming about god telling them that these particular elitists are the good guys.  That's all it seems to take.  Jesus, jingo, and jihadists.  Repeat ad nauseam.  It gives conservatives boners.

100% of the people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, probably close to 100% of the people who died at Normandy.
Would any of this be because of segregated troops?  Ol' Pat was almost 10 when Truman desegregated the Army.  He probably remembers that and it probably still pisses him off.  There's also the way history gets written down.  We still don't have too many movies like "Glory", and when that came out it seemed almost groundbreaking.

This has been a country built basically by white folks."

Or so the history books tell us.  Reality for him, and his ilk, has no bearing on his argument and surely will never get in the way of their rants.

My America includes LGBT families.

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by: Mena @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 17:15:05 PM CDT

the beauty of free speech...

..is that you know just who to look out for.  when pat comes on the best thing that can happen is exactly what rachel did..she just let him talk.  he clearly does not understand.  she knows that he is struggling to 'get it' and he obviously likes and respects her smarts.  she challenges him without being rude or dismissive or belittling.  it was beautiful.  he will always speak well of her eventhough she is a radical to him.  she earns his hard won respect.  she is wearing him down despite himself, imho.  i think the thing we can see here is that if we fall victim to hating people that don't get it then we are the stupid ones.  they-don't-understand.  they really don't.  all they know is fear, which is irrational, hence all the irrational arguements.  if they wake up and realize that they really are guilty it would be 'too much' to bear.  it is not the identity they have for themselves.  as long as you stay in denial, it isn't true about you.  until folks are ready to see and admit they might be wrong you are basically talking to a brick wall.  however, you waste energy on those that are not ready.  by rachel not overreacting, nor taking anything pat said personally, focusing on why he felt the way he did, trying to lead him down the path of if this then that...  i think she almost made a light bulb come on in him.  haters make enemies.  we must just keep working on the good folks to step up and not give any energy debating with 'haters'.  

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by: swabby @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 18:36:10 PM CDT

and I'd like to by the world a Coke....

I've known Buchanan since Nixon era, and trust me, he's a sick bastard, you'd be wise to never let him see your soft underbelly.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 20:52:41 PM CDT

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Well, Pat...

You basically invited 5 members of my family among dozens of others and shot them in the back, literally.

I don't appreciate the sentiment, Pat, that "you" built this country when I can name uncles and brothers of my family who were murdered for not being white in Council House, Pat, under a flag of council and a flag of peace, Pat.

If you want to speak for all white folks, then I cheerfully resign the little bit of me that is white. You can have it. I never benefited from this "white privilege" because I recused myself of it, especially when I found out what you did to the perception of it and how it is worth nothing in more diverse cities like the one I grew up in down in South Texas. I never felt like being a man of principle was a worthy aspiration because men of principle, Pat, seem to model themselves on you.

And to prove to you that I'm a Comanche in spirit and body, I have to flash you a card that the government makes me get? Right, Pat, this is a wonderful nation you've built, Pat.

Eat a dick.

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by: Baconcat @ Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 00:39:51 AM CDT