This Would Be Funnier If Healthcare Reform Weren't So Serious An Issue

You'd think, if Petey was REALLY a true-believin', bible-thumpin', God'll-get-ya-for-that wingnut "Christian," he'd be more concerned about bein' forced to go to Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, and the host of other snake-handlers-for-profit to get his medical care. Instead, he's only learned the con-artist con-servative "FEAR" routine and apparently failed his other "Christian" acting lessons.

Now anyone who has ever turned on the telly and watched the "700 Club" knows that a simple call - aided by a pledge, I'm sure - to Pat's set would provide any true believer a miracle. By this time it should be obvious that Pete has neglected to seek those prayers over his own obsession with same-sex projected behavior...er.."research"...and his apparent lack of interest in heterosexual behavior.

Maybe Autumn should feature a picture of ole Pete and write us up a good story about whether taxpayers could be forced to pay for "Christians" to see Benny Hinn.

In a nutshell, it seems as if the early "Fathers of the Church" got focused on treating Matthew 19:12 as if it was intended as a metaphor for virginity and celibacy, and then they reasoned that Isaiag 56:4-5 was also a metaphor for the same thing.

They were fignting off others who had seized upon Matthew 19:12, together with references in Matthew 5 and Matthew 18 and Mark 9, as literal alls for cutting off parts of the body that are occasions of sin.

Their argument to metaphor in that context, at least for the other references to cutting off parts of the body.  However, I believe they were erroneous about Isaiah 56 and Matthew 19:12.

From an historical context, Deuteronomy was probably written around the time it was "discovered" during the reign of King Josiah - and in Deuteronomy 23:1, there is a prohibition against having eunuchs in the assembly of the people of the Lord.  This was related to the religious reform going on at that time, and was aimed at those who were following the Canaanite goddess religion.  

After Josiah was defeated by the Egyptians at Megiddo, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians, and the Jewish people led off into the Babylonian Captivity.

Isaiah was written after the return from the Babylonian Captivity - and the welcome to eunuchs and strangers was a change from the exclusionary policies under the Josiah reforms.

Jesus clearly made a point to emphasize the inclusivity of Isaiah, rather than the exclusivity of Josiah's Deuteronomy.  And this inclusivity was driven home by the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26-end.

Sadly, the early fathers seemed to see the Church of their time as more Josiah-like.  Clement of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Augustine of Hippo and others considered the adherents of the goddess-religions and their transgender priestesses to be "the competition."  It was easier for them to ignore the actual words of Jesus and turn them into a metaphor for virginity and celibacy, particularly when they added it to the other references to "cutting off" body parts.

I have more, and in depth, but I still have to put it all together.

What I think I might ultimately be able to do is put this together, and send it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.  It may be possible to get them thinking, since it is not their entire teaching on this that is necessarily in error.  I would rather not have to wait 400 years for an apology.

Okay, that was a rather long nutshell - but compared to what I have to work on and with, it's brief.

I am aware of a reconstructionist Cybelline movement, centered at the Maetreum of Cybele in Palenville, New York, with priestesses working in various parts of the world.

A web source of information about the Maetreum, and its religious revival, is at:

http://www.gallae.com/

I am not a member of this religious movement, though I appreciate the religious diversity that the Cybelline reconstructionim (and other "pagan" reconstructionist movements) bring to the table. And it doesn't hurt that I know Rev. Battakes Cathryn Platine in person, and not just online. [While Cathy and I may disagree on a number of things, she is a friend of mine.]

Other than that, I really appreciate what you had to say, and I would love to read your essay when you get done. Questionable scholarship aside, Merlin Stone's "When God Was a Woman" opened my eyes to a lot of things and is largely responsible for the questioning of my fundie born again upbringing and subsequent embrace of Paganism.

My usage of Pagan (as "pagan") was based more on my Catholic background (with small-p pagan being a derogatory term for any religion or faith that isn't what Muslims would call "People of The Book" - Jews, Christians, Muslims).  I used the quote marks to distance myself from that derogatory usage, where I should have used the capitalization, to recognize the modern Pagan movement fro what it is.

I tend to overuse and misuse quotes, ellipses (asides), dashes, asterisks and other grammatical marks for emphasis more than anything else, rather than taking the time to follow the rule books.  I am glad yourealized that I intended no harm.

Have you read any works by Barbara G. Walker? The website Jesus Never Existed also has an excellent rundown of the Pagan practices appropriated by Christianity as well.

"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy

The Priestesses were always gallae and melissea, transsexual and non transsexual women.

Strike while the irons hot.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

I think it would be a good idea to monitor any local station that has a show like these. Most seem to be on overnight. Be ready to phone in and counter their lies.

I check out a few during the week. I'll try to stomach and listen in. Just in case. KOA 850am out of Denver tends to spew lots of anti-Obama venom. I wouldn't put it past some on KOA to take a slam at trans folk too.

They put out some vile hate after the Angie Zapata trial verdict.

Dena


Cisgender. Because "Genetic" is so 2006.

The more the other side (mis)quotes you, maligns you, or pokes fun at you - the more it is an indication that you are getting noticed and making a significant contribution to our cause and to society.  That's why Pam proudly lists the "endorsements" she has received from her opponents in the left frame.

Remember that the person who is lampooned and criticized more than anyone else is always the President of the United States - every one of them, regardless of party.

:P

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau

:o)

Dena

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" is so 2006.

That's like playing the Albert Hall...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

It isn't as though TS/TG people aren't murdered at an appalling rate for the feeblest of excuses.

To select one individual (Autumn) and put her picture and name on a hate based web site is akin to leading a lynch mob and suggesting they harm her.

This is a far cry from some of the nasty exchanges over political points made by various factions of people who have at some point or other been associated with a transprefixed word be that word transvestite, transgender or transsexual.

Real issues like health care and removing GID from the DSM require working together even if only on an ad hoc basis.

I'm tired of calling others hurtful names and think a respect even among people who are different would be better for all.

Oh, the hypocrisy!

Thanks for helping to incite yet another fundie meltdown.

Any chance for anyone associated with the reicht to reason was surgically removed when they announced their political affiliation. That or their capability to reason was killed off by the brain damage they suffered, caused by a lack of oxygen from having their headsx buried so deeply into their holy book of myths and legends stolen from older cultures.

Listen to "TransTalk" every Thursday at 4-5pm ET on http://www.falconradio.org

  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xusY...
Karen Hughes = Queen of the folksy LIES.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

Nor does innateness.

If it did people of color would not face the bigotry they do as their brownness and blackness is innate.

Women would not be subjected to misogyny because their femaleness is innate.

Bigots are not swayed by science for they have an invisible personal bully friend in the sky who hates all the same people for the same reasons they hate them.

The magic invisible sky bully doesn't care about science and neither do they.

 Yes, I didn't tell her until that time.  I wanted to know if she could tell the difference.  And it is kind of funny that idiots and dolts like Porno-Pete have no idea what they are talking about.

 Now this might add to their argument that GRS for MtF is all cosmetic.  Wrong, I have the same feelings a GG has.  I have sexual pleasure as well does my fiance' (I love typing that)  Every thing functions as the woman I am and needed to do, well almost as I don't have a period.  But then again I know many women who don't have them anymore for various reasons.

 Autumn, they will pick on you because you have been changing the hearts and souls of other people with the work you do.  And trust me on this, they are not taking away support for us Ts with the crap they spew.  They are preaching to the quire hoping to scam another dollar from their gullible faithful followers.  And at the same time we are gaining support as they continue to be hateful towards those who are different.  Most Christians I know do not like being associated with the likes of Focus on the Anus Family and other so-called Christian groups.

 Keep up the great work and don't let those dolts get to you.

 Love and Huggs always,
          HappyCat and Family.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

I wonder how these hetero men justify stitching up their wives to make the tighter after childbirth...there's no scientific rationale, it actually reduces the path for future children, it's simply for male sexual gratifaction.

mutilation 4 gratification

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

Seriously, I needed the gastric bypass myself. Medication related weight gain here, though.

I don't feel mutilated...with, er, the stomach and intestines, anyway.

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau

I want to have a conclusive answer handy to refute my family's demands that I go for this supposed anti-trans "reparative therapy." To prove to them that their insistence on putting me through that is just plain wrong.

Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls