Papa Ratzi welcomes Anglican bigots onto his island of hate

The first 25 Anglicans get a manly ermine cape thrown in FREE

or while supplies last

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 19:39:34 PM CDT

Don't forget

the 25 pairs of red faux Prada pumps.

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by: kevinchi @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 19:45:32 PM CDT

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A picture is worth a thousand words

and the two above are priceless. Thanks for the great belly laugh, Pam!!

Close the GayTM. Only give to candidates who have actually done something other than make promises - most are just pandering for our cash.

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by: JohnVisser @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 19:57:55 PM CDT

The hypocrisy - it burns!

So, by my count (as a former Catholic) Mr. Ratzinger is violating three key tenets of the Roman Catholic Church with this action:

1. The need for celibate priests. Although celibacy was not required of early church priests, IIRC, about the 11th century it became required. The official reason? Because priests were so busy with their flocks and their devotion to God that they should not deal with the distraction of a wife. Unless they're gay-hating Anglicans, of course. (oh, and the church wanted to retain its property and not have it fall into the hands of the children of priests).

2. The supremacy of the Bishop of Rome, called the "Pope" by Catholics, over the church. Clearly the Anglicans are a bit dubious of this distinction.

3. The requirement that all religious writings used for worship have the imprimatur of the Roman Catholic Church. The Anglican Book of Common Prayer most certainly does not qualify. So blasphemy is also okay, if you're a gay-hating Anglican.

Good job maintaining the traditions of the Church there, Joe.  

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by: CPT_Doom @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 21:04:13 PM CDT

Nope not true at all

The RCC has already allowed Orthodox and Anglican married priests to convert and remain married for a long time, just sounds like it will be easier now.  Those Anglicans will still have to accept the supremacy of the pope in order to come into communion.  The RCC has already gobbled up a number of other Churches and brought them in communion with the Catholic Church while allowing them their own traditions and liturgies.  I share your disdain, but your comment is rather inaccurate.

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by: onthesea @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 23:03:59 PM CDT

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Check the fine print!

Anglicans will be allowed to keep "certain elements" of their faith?  That should be fun.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 21:21:21 PM CDT

A few years ago I thought Catholics and Conservative Lutherans were making a deal too

But I never heard of them sealing the deal. maybe the just agreed to be friends with benefits.
i would imagine this is more dangerous to keeping Catholic priests and nuns in line. Women questioning a preaching role, and priests and nuns maybe being married and not subject to a vow of poverty....hard stuff for ratzi to keep selling.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 21:27:53 PM CDT

Let the rats swarm aboard the sinking ship!

While the saner passengers on the titanic ocean liner, "One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church," are either leaving in droves or at least camping in the cafeteria lifeboats, the captain of the ship (appropriately named "Rat") has thrown a line over to the Anglican Episcopal steamer, where the rats have been feeling somewhat uncomfortable, with all the gay and female cats on board.

The rats on the steamer see the sinking liner as their best hope, so they swarm aboard, in the confidence that they can keep some of their rituals alive, though they would have been somewhat better off holding out for their own stateroom (an Anglican rite) than getting a special status in steerage.

What Joe Ratzinger is doing here by helping to draw the poisonous rats from the Anglican/Episcopal Church steamer, which will allow that boat the opportunity to right its course and avoid the icebergs of bigotry and shoals of immoral hate that are already sinking the Catholic titanic.

I think he'd draw off more of the rats from the Anglican/Episcopal communion by tossing in that "rite" stateroom - they won't realize it's only a Third Class ticket.

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by: Joann Prinzivalli @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:46:04 AM CDT

Ouch, my grammar is bad

I wrote:

What Joe Ratzinger is doing here by helping to draw the poisonous rats from the Anglican/Episcopal Church steamer, which will allow that boat the opportunity to right its course and avoid the icebergs of bigotry and shoals of immoral hate that are already sinking the Catholic titanic.

I meant:

What Joe Ratzinger is doing here is helping to draw the poisonous rats from the Anglican/Episcopal Church steamer, which will allow that boat the opportunity to right its course and avoid the icebergs of bigotry and shoals of immoral hate that are already sinking the Catholic titanic.

What I did was forget what I wrote in the first clause by the time I got to the end of the "sentence," which ended up not even being a sentence.  Sorry!

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by: Joann Prinzivalli @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:50:02 AM CDT

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From an Anglican POV:

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:17:07 AM CDT

Ya, they're not nice.

All this knocking of my Church I find rather insulting.  And making fun of our traditions is something you wouldn't do to any black church, even though they seem to be very involved in the anti-gay movement.

A little history lessons for you youngsters.  Popes Pius, John, Paul and John Paul I were all very progressive.  Then something strange happened 28 days into John Paul I's pope hood- he mysteriously died.  Then we get John Paul II who's ideologies were 180 degrees different from his predecessors.  Decades later, his puppet master takes over and starts replacing Cardinals, Bishops, Priests and even Nuns with clergy that think like him.  Sound familiar?  No, we're past Hitler; think Stalin.

We Roman Catholics are painfully aware of this and are tying to improve things.  But because we are the ONLY Church in the world with a single leader, we get attacked viciously.  You all thought the Mormons wanted your blood;  you'd better be keepin' an eye on the Pentecostals!

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by: bigjeff @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:21:27 AM CDT

ah, the famous conspiracy theories

about John Paul I. I heard a bunch of those in the Catholic Jr. High school that I went to from a pretty liberal set of priests and nuns.

I would prefer it if people did specify that this is the Church hierarchy and not necessarily the laity. There are a lot of Catholics that I love, in part, because of their faith. And I do have to say that the Catholics certainly made sure I was educated.

I do feel the same way about the black church, by the way.

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by: kevinchi @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:16:34 AM CDT

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JP1 wouldn't the first time pope terminated for political reasons.

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:46:09 AM CDT

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the Catholics stuck with this Pope

I truly feel sorry for, and my wife is one of them. And she's a Maronite Catholic, which is by far more conservative than American Roman Catholic churches are. The rituals she enjoys as part of her faith she feels that she cannot participate in because of the homophobia blasted out of the Vatican, as well as its hypocrisy and coverup of its raping-priest scandals.

No, for me it's not the faith, it's the waste of time and energy this Pope has spent vilifying LGBTs, (not to mention promoting irresponsible AIDS education in the Third World) that frustrates Kate to no end.

And making fun of our traditions is something you wouldn't do to any black church, even though they seem to be very involved in the anti-gay movement.

Are you kidding? I'm always making fun of the hypocrisy of the not-very-closeted choir directors, deacons and certainly down-low pastors sitting right up there sanctifying. It's hilariously sad. Most of the flock operates on a DADT model, they know who's gay, they just don't want to acknowledge it, and the closeted gays, sadly play along with this charade.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 15:04:15 PM CDT

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Religious Rites are not Civil Rights

Hope the new Roman/Anglicans can take pedophilia.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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by: Mykelb @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:21:57 AM CDT

My favorite quote from the Times of London:

"Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one," concluded John Allen, his biographer.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...

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by: Clarknt67 @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 15:11:30 PM CDT

sidebar: Uganda

I'm not sure where else to post this. Apparently Uganda is on the verge of an anti-LGBT pogrom -- and US evangelicals seem to have put them up to it. This from Integrity, the LGBT group in the US Episcopal church.

http://walkingwithintegrity.bl...

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by: coram nobis @ Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 16:03:38 PM CDT