YouTube Extravaganza! LaBarbera/Camenker/Madore "Rally"

Louise

You are a national treasure!

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by: Phil @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:17:04 PM CDT

You just

want killer chocolate fudge to go with the apple butter and pickles! ;)

Done...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:39:39 PM CDT

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Louise; you are a treasure

and someday, you know that some Lesbian folksinger will write a song about you...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:45:21 PM CDT

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Apple Butter?

Let's get back to that part..  Is it on buttered toast or over vanilla ice cream?

I just did my first apple pie of the season (McIntoshes) last night and it's already mostly gone.  Guess I have to do another.......

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by: Phil @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 19:20:52 PM CDT

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Anything. Very versatile stuff!

My mother-in-law and daughter eat it in a dessert bowl just "as is"- I put it on hot buttered popovers, croissants or English muffins. You could also heat it up and use for ice cream sundaes; hadn't done that yet and that sounds heavenly!

Heck, you could use it as a dipping sauce for chicken strips or pork as well- essentially it's applesauce on steroids. Dark brown with molasses and lots of spices, very sweet and tangy.

I use a mixture of different apple types (have 5 or 6 varieties in my backyard; I forget) and it takes all day to make- but sooooo worth the end result!

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 04:26:53 AM CDT

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Seriously!

I'm with Phil.   Your reporting has been stellar Louise.  Thank you!

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by: suigenerousla @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:19:23 PM CDT

Aww...

Thanks- today I had a lowly unpaid assistant and that helped ALOT.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:40:34 PM CDT

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Wow, Jesse is really good with the media...

I loved how in the debate, the Yes speaker was talking about wanting to expand the domestic partnership bill, but Mary said how they were against the basic domestic partnership registry in place right now, and how they didn't even lift a finger for the domestic partnership expansion bill introduced this year. Among other zingers she had.

The only thing that made me sad in the debate is how she took the bait for polygamy and started talking about it... awkward.

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by: Blanco @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:19:33 PM CDT

Do ya think

that these guys are a little bit afraid that their 1950's "Ozzie & Harriet" mindset is way out of step with the times?

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by: bkmn @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:20:37 PM CDT

Perhaps.

What I suspect is going on in their little brains is that they think that they can get brownie points with their deity by whining long and hard about "sin" and make some money doing so (completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of course).  They don't see that people having a good consensual time at IML or Folsom isn't their business, and that that isn't what SSM is all about.  It's about adults making their own decisions about important aspects of their lives and relationships and being prepared legally to go through both the good and the bad times.  He and his ilk have it in their minds as being about the idea of "Adam and Steve", as The Peter's web site keeps mentioning and they don't see it as being about real people such as Fritz and his late partner or PeteyPornPig and his Dan.  People need legal protections, especially when they are vulnerable, and this second class citizen BS based on ideology and religion is just plain vile, not to mention nuts.  

My America includes LGBT families.

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by: Mena @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:38:44 PM CDT

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It was out of step with the times in the 1950's

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 08:30:17 AM CDT

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The article doesn't mention just how lopsided the crowd was

(In favor of No on 1.)

According to the Press Herald, Mutty was sick. http://pressherald.mainetoday....

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by: Lexie @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:32:09 PM CDT

Except this "illness" card

has been played before at very convenient times... I'm cynical about the veracity of this.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:37:55 PM CDT

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I bet he was sick....

this was probably the worst day of his whole damn life!

L

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by: MaineWriter @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:44:37 PM CDT

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Debate Link

I was able to download the debate (Realplayer) and have uploaded it to zshare.net.

(if someone else can convert to a youtube watchable format, by all means)

http://www.zshare.net/download...

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by: NG @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:35:54 PM CDT

debate

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by: NG @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 18:59:54 PM CDT

Thanks for the vidoe of the debate

I heard they asked one of my three questions that I submitted by email. I couldn't be at the debate -- I was working at the Free Clinic. But I'll watch this video now. Thanks for posting, I appreciate it!

L

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by: MaineWriter @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:32:47 PM CDT

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That's supposed to be video

and it looks like it is posted at the WMTW website.

www.wmtw.com

L

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by: MaineWriter @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:36:15 PM CDT

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Heres the link

http://www.wmtw.com/video/2145...

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:08:10 PM CDT

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Has Mary been briefed on the whole Catholic Charities adoption thing and the Ocean Grove cases?

I can't imagine she hasn't been, but for the next go-round, every one of us needs to know so we can tell the truth.

Souchet specifically referenced religious orgs being forced to give same-sex couples equal married student housing, or being forced to place children. What does that have to do with marriage? Nothing. It DOES have to do with institutions accepting public money and having to follow state non-discrimination laws.

In the case of the adoption issue, Catholic Charities in Boston had been providing adoption services since 1972. They had placed children, particularly special-needs children, with gay couples prior to 2004. After Goodridge, the Boston diocese told Catholic Charities to stop placing children with gay couples. Because Catholic Charities received subsidies from state taxpayer funds, and grants from philanthropist organizations such as United Way, many of which have a strict non-discrimination policy, they had to abide by those non-discrimination policies to qualify for the funds. When they began to discriminate against gay couples at the diocese's insistence, they lost their qualifications for subsidies from the state and from charitable orgs. They couldn't afford to provide adoption services on the pittance from the Catholic church, so they had to stop providing them altogether. The Diocese, not the state, effectively shut down Catholic Charities' adoption services out of spite and hate. And all those children who needed families, who could have otherwise been placed in safe, loving homes, were turned away.

As far as housing, same rule applies. If the institution accepts funds from state taxpayers, they have to abide by any state nondiscrimination laws there are. If they accept no public money, they're free to hate on whomever they want to.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:17:59 PM CDT

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I was wondering about her response too

Mary knows better than probably ANYONE in the country the Catholic Charities situation. So I was not sure why she did not explain it was a non-discrimination law situation, not a marriage equality situation. My only thought is that she wants to do nothing to confuse the situation regarding non-discrimination laws.

Our side is so lucky to have Mary.

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by: Lane @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 10:48:44 AM CDT

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Press Conference?

As of 8pm eastern I've seen one piece on this from the Maine or national media (aside from our blogs).   One.  It was a balanced piece with not many of Pete's points (such as they are) and no video from the Maine Public Television site.   Not much of a response -- I hope the No side can use it to show the hypocrisy of the Yes side to Maine newspapers and TV.

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by: suigenerousla @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 19:16:22 PM CDT

I can't WAIT

to see what is and is not covered in Maine's media tomorrow... it might well make a great stand-alone post.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 19:18:45 PM CDT

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Stupid reporter

"Is there a radical gay agenda associated with this?"

I would have asked him to define what he means by 'radical gay agenda'.

And his inference that there was a sinister conspiracy theory: "In they last campaign you said it wasn't about marriage..."  
"It wasn't."
"But obviously that was the next step."

Still, Jesse handle the doofus well.

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by: Stephanie @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 19:31:47 PM CDT

Yeah

I assume he must have been the local FOX anchor because he made me want to punch him in the face. Anyone who uses "radical gay agenda" non-ironically is too stupid to be allowed to live.

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by: Cerberus @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:03:57 PM CDT

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On the other hand...

My impression was that it was a "softball" question - one that was (intentionally) so silly and so easy for Jesse to hit out of the park.  

But then, I don't know anything about the reporter.  Maybe he is a douchebag.

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by: ArizonaDave @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 02:44:17 AM CDT

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See my explanation, ArizonaDave

I'm also going to update my 7am post with this discussion, because some very valid points were made that imo are understandable, if one does not know who the local reporters are.

BTW, the petite short-haired woman speaking to Jesse is the incomparable Susan Cover, who reports from the State House for the KJ, PPH etc. I absolutely love her reports and have linked to her stories countless times- she was one of the questioners during WMTW's live televised debate last night between Brian Soucher and Mary B.


"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 07:35:32 AM CDT

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Nope, nope, nope

The reporter who asked that question, Don Carrigan, works for WCSH-6 and is someone I have watched and respected greatly for decades- Don is a helluva nice and fair guy, as well as a constant figure at the State House with a long history of great reporting.

Think Maine's version of Walter Cronkite for gravitas- I trust him completely.

And he reports the snowfall with every Storm Center morning show by sticking a ruler in the snow piled onto his gas grill outside, with shots of inside his warm kitchen. His cat Togus, a 26 lb Maine Coon Cat, is quite famous and is even on Facebook! I adore Don... he's a "good people" Mainer.

What he was doing was asking the question based on the phrasing that LaBarbera, Camenker and Madore used, time and again, until I lost count myself!

But I can certainly see how it appears that way.

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Another thought and this is important...

Don was there for over an hour, as was Jim Keithly from WMTW and others - yet NO ONE DID A "B roll/ package/ stand alone" clip that aired with their report.

A report was submitted (see my 7am Wednesday post), but it was a read by the Morning crew "studio" story only.

Paul Madore is very well known as incredibly rabid/ frothing homophobic up here, and has been for years- he makes Mike Heath look timid and reasonable! So that the clip focused on HIM and not the other speakers says alot.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 07:31:50 AM CDT

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"We have no connection" with them

From Channel 13 Saco Maine
Gay marriage law draws warning in Maine
October 28, 2009 14:44 EDT

AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- Opponents of same-sex marriage are warning of a "radical homosexual movement" behind efforts to keep Maine's gay marriage law on the books.

The Maine Grassroots Coalition held a news conference in the State House on Wednesday in which it said the pro-gay marriage side has support of "bigoted gay organizations." Brian Camenker of a group called Mass Resistance warned that a no vote will allow gay marriage to be taught in Maine schools.

The group leading the effort to keep the gay marriage law says those speaking out Wednesday are some of the most vitriolic, anti-gay voices in the country.

Stand for Marriage Maine, the leading group opposing gay marriage, says it has no connection with the Maine Grassroots Coalition.

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:29:40 PM CDT

Jesse RULES

He was brilliant....thanks Louise

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:37:02 PM CDT

Ditto. Impressive.

Showing up was pure genius and then he knocked it out of the park.

Where's the bishop?

twitter.com/ChinoBlanco | youtube.com/ChinoBlanco

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by: Chino Blanco @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:32:15 PM CDT

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Where's the bishop?

fiddling with his rosary

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:40:41 PM CDT

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Fiddling with his rosary?

Surely he should be busy hiding kiddy-fiddlers?

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 08:47:38 AM CDT

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It seems to me the reading of question 1 they ask 2 questions is that allowed?

First it asks about repealing SSM, then asks about individuals and organizations who don't want to perform SSM.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:40:11 PM CDT

Also from TV 13 Hate Crime???

Yes On 1 Signs Vandalized - Possible Hate Crime?

The Yes On One campaign calls it a hate crime. About 80 campaign signs were hit with swastikas recently in at least five communities.

The investigation is now in the hands of local police.

The AG's office could soon get involved to determine if the crimes were a violation of the Maine Civil Rights Act.Yes On 1 Signs Vandalized - Possible Hate Crime?

Posted: Wednesday, October 28 2009, 04:16 PM EDT

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 20:59:51 PM CDT

Just listen to the debate between Mary B. and Brian S....

(I learned something tonight)

A hate crime has to do with conduct -- ie, hitting, beating, killing someone. Limitations of speech (which is what vandalizing a sign would be) is not a conduct issue -- it is a free speech issue. Therefore (I am not a lawyer, take this with a grain of salt), vandalizing or destroying their signs would not be a hate crime.

Just my 2 cents.

L

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by: MaineWriter @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:43:20 PM CDT

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The FBI lists "Destruction/Damage/Vandalism" as one form of hate crime.

In fact, at 63.7%, vandalism is the most common form of hate crime against Protestants & Catholics, ahead of theft (11.3%) simple assault (9.7%) and intimidation (5.65%). At 21.7%, vandalism is the third most common form of hate-crime against LGBs, after simple assault (30.8%) and intimidation (22.8%) and ahead of aggravated assault (16.8%). There's a definite bias towards non-violent hate crimes against Protestants & Catholics (81.45%) and a similar bias towards violent hate crimes against LGBs (75% including robbery).

Because of differences in population size, there are 217 times more hate crimes against LGBs per capita than Catholics or Protestants. That means that, per capita, LGBs are victims of 74 times more vandalism hate crimes and 1133 times more aggravated assault hate crimes than Catholics or Protestants.

The data are based upon the CIA population data for the USA, the FBI hate crimes data for 2005, and the 2008 general election exit poll.

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 09:47:24 AM CDT

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OK, slight freak-out here:

The recent rise (up to 190% in some areas) in homophobic hate crimes in the UK has been something of a hot topic here recently, but I always figured they would still be relatively rare in the UK compared to the USA since the US is roughly a decade behind the UK on most LGBT rights issues, in terms of both law and public opinion.

I was wrong.

According to Nicolas Chinardet's Pink Sauce blog, there were 1192 anti-LGBT hate crimes in Greater London between October'08 and September '09 (an 18% increase over the previous 12 months) which is a HUGE figure compared to 1433 recorded by the FBI for the USA in 2005. My hometown has a population of 7.5 million, or one-fortieth that of the USA, so there were about 33 times as many anti-LGB hate crimes per capita in London than in the USA.

WTF?

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 11:00:30 AM CDT

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Under the Federal Law

no.

Would depend on how the local laws, if any, apply.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

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by: dyssonance @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 10:05:45 AM CDT

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GREAT ARTICLE made me laugh out loud

Both sides are asked what might be the repercussions either way question 1 is decided

"Bonauto did agree, however, in her own way that legalizing same-sex marriage could have dramatic effects.

"If the 'no' side does win, I am fairly certain that we are going to see an outbreak of happiness," she said to laughs from the audience."

http://www.bangordailynews.com...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 21:57:31 PM CDT

SFMM ad on the sidebar of the BDN

Good lord. The graphic is a little boy with his head in his hands, looking so forlorn. The text: "Don't let public school teach homosexual marriage. Listen to the SHOCKING NPR story." Complete with a little "listen and donate now!" button at the bottom.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:06:46 PM CDT

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how much would you wager the boy with head in hands

is a photo on stock photo site?

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:27:10 PM CDT

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I had an LDS ad!

The preview ad and the sidebar were from the Mormons promoting "happiness".

Creepy.

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by: Lane @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 10:49:35 AM CDT

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comments to the tv station

I was reading the comments to the tv station over the debate and all the No on One crowd were complaining that the station was not fair to its debater.  I figure if they're complaining they think they lost. My opinion - They got clobbered!!!

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:16:42 PM CDT

Do you mean Yes on 1?

Either way, WMTW was more than fair to both debaters. The crowd was less forgiving, but it looks like the station edited out several occasions of audience-wide laughter at Souchet.

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by: Lexie @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 23:13:50 PM CDT

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Just to add a bit of levity to the nights posts

This is a "heterosexual" male who has been caught a number of times around here in NH climbing down into portapotties and other toilets so he can watch women go to the bathroom. And PornoPete thinks gays are weird LOL I pity the arresting officers - they have to cuff him and put him in their cruiser>>>>>

State
Man in NH toilet pleads innocent
By The Associated Press

Published: Oct 28, 2009 11:23 am PORTLAND, Maine (AP) - A Maine man facing three charges for allegedly climbing into a New Hampshire park's pit toilet has entered a not guilty plea.
Gary Moody of Pittston entered his plea Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Portland. He faces three federal misdemeanors for allegedly climbing into a pit toilet in a White Mountain National Forest campground May 25.

The Portland Press Herald says that in 2005, Moody pleaded no contest to trespassing for hiding out in a pit toilet on U.S. Forest Service property in Albany, N.H. He was sentenced to two years of probation and ordered to pay $1,700 in fines.

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:35:55 PM CDT

how do you punish someone willing to go in the porta potty PIT?

ick, ick, ick

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 22:53:49 PM CDT

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Never thought of it

LOL Maybe you could force him to move in with my neatnik neighbor....  But can you imagine the poor woman sitting in the porta potty and all of a sudden realizing somehing is moving below her?

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 23:16:03 PM CDT

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if ever it is correct to scream like a girl.....that's it

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 23:20:02 PM CDT

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LOL

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by: Herb @ Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 23:27:47 PM CDT

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LOL!

Damned good point; this guy, um, just ain't "right"...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 04:30:49 AM CDT

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Seacoast-online.com

Question 1 (gay-marriage law repeal): This editorial board has had no change of heart on the issue of gay marriage. We supported both Maine and New Hampshire efforts to establish their laws, and we now oppose the effort to repeal the law in Maine in the strongest possible terms. Make no mistake: The eyes of the country will be focused on the state next Tuesday. If Mainers vote to keep the law on the books and reject repeal, it will be the first victory at the ballot box for gay marriage. In the states where it's allowed, either the courts or the legislatures have permitted it. We hope next Wednesday morning, the nation sees that Mainers voted on the side of justice. We are a better and more just society when we accord to all the rights that are granted to only to some. Vote NO on Question 1.
   http://www.seacoastonline.com/...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 02:04:50 AM CDT

What's JOHN BOLTON...

...doing there in the backgroundofthe first video?

Same moustache, same wig....

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by: medaka @ Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 06:23:14 AM CDT