Breaking Down The Votes in Maine

It's a moot point now, but I have some questions

Doesn't Maine tend to be much more rural than other states in the NE?  

Doesn't Maine have a larger Catholic population, as a percentage of the whole, than many others?  Given the number of French-Canadians in those northern areas (those that are populated, at least), I would tend to think so.  As someone whose family is French-Canadian, I can see how the rationalizing of this would work.

The reason I ask these questions is the answers could be instructional in future battles in areas outside the South.  The South is going to be a special case.

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by: Phil @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 11:45:45 AM CST

Actually

RI has the highest Catholic population. About half the state is Catholic.

But looking at that map, you see hateful little pockets near Ogonquit which surprised me.

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by: truthspew @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 12:15:00 PM CST

Hmm...244 Yes votes in Ogunquit

My host was very pissed about that in the gayest city in Maine.

On the other hand:

A wee bit of satisfaction that we got over 60% of the vote in Kennebukport (home of George H.W. Bush). We thought we could win Kennebukport but not by 24 percentage points.

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by: kevinchi @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 12:23:18 PM CST

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I don't

see the support for Yes on One around Oqonquit except for Biddeford which isn't really a tourist town but a mill town.  Alot of these towns have never seen a gay person mainly because they're looking for someone that fits Porno Pete's description. Its the same way in upper NY state where my wife is from.  The people are highly prejudiced against blacks and gays because hardly any live there. People in rural Maine have never lived or worked next to a gay person and are more easily scared by Camenker style lies and half truths. People in the tourist areas see gays all the time and realize they are just people and arn't as susceptible to this crap.  Here in NH if you had the same vote you'd see the same split but I think gay marriage would be supported because most of the people in the southern teir are exposed to gays and gay couples.  Here the anti gay groups are going to attempt to replace pro gay marriage Democrat legislators with anti gay Republicans. A swing of 4% of the representatives and 3 State Senators could conceivably throw the legislature to the anti gay side.  Given the mood here its very likely this will happen, not because of gay marriage, but because of the lose of support for the Obama administration.

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by: Herb @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 14:03:10 PM CST

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The polls show

majority support for marriage equality in NH. I saw an article about the possibility of a marrige repeal but the NH GOP has basically dismissed the idea. They know it's unlikely to go anywhere.

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by: Kokas @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 17:05:07 PM CST

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That not what they're saying in private

They've left it off their platform also. However they're telling the anti gay Cornerstone Policy Research group in Concord the complete oposite.  Sununu (father) has promised it'll be one of their top priorities in 2011. John H. Sununu, the head of the party in NH  is strongly anti gay marriage. GOP inhouse polls show support for civil unions is close to 50% but support for the repeal of gay marriage is close to 60% in the republicans stronghold districts.

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by: Herb @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 17:19:25 PM CST

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Even if they regain

control of the state legislature, which I think is an uphill fight, it's not like the Governor would sign a repeal bill. Lynch has very strong approval numbers and he's likely to win reelection.

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by: Kokas @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 17:33:48 PM CST

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Question

I don't know where you're from but, from what I'm seeing here is the constant drip, drip, drip, of Republican negativity is causing the independent voters, the biggest "party" in NH to have real doubts about Obama. My gut feeling is if the election where held again McCain would take NH. Because of this Lynch is not that safe. Secondly Lynch goes with the flow and is not a strong supporter of gay marriage and could very well not veto a repeal.

If an election on gay marriage by itself was held tomorrow I think gay marriage would win but hold the election in January giving the Anti folks time to use their scare tactics and and spread their Camenker lies on the net and the results could be close to maines.  The gay right's side has to find a way to neutralize porno pete and carmenker.

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by: Herb @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:10:35 PM CST

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Maybe you're right,

but the polls still show Obama with strong approval numbers among independents.  

Here's the latest from University of NH survey center:

"Currently, 91% of New Hampshire Democrats, and
65% of political independents approve of the job Obama is doing as President but 79% of Republicans disapprove."

http://www.unh.edu/survey-cent...
 

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by: Kokas @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:26:43 PM CST

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I saw that

Poll but Obama is down to 55% approval here as far as the total goes and I don't feel the independent support is that strong.  The indendents I talk to have only weak support for Obama and it would not take much to push them to vote Republican depending on the candidate. Today an article by Dick Morris really dumping on "obama's healthcare plan" was sent to me by two obama voters asking me what "I thought".

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by: Herb @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:37:29 PM CST

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Bottom Line

2010 is going to be here in a hurry and I have real doubts about holding on to NH.

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by: Herb @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:39:35 PM CST

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does the gov sign initiative bills?

Legislative-initiated ballot measures tend not to have to be signed by the Governor, but then again, they often have to be approved by two-thirds of the state legislature (that's the law in California)

What's the law in NH?

Maggie's new talking point is that 4 of 5 of the states that have gay marriage are reconsidering it.

This is bullsh*t (like most of what comes out of Maggie's, umm, mouth).

Vermont: Solid.
Massachusetts: Solid.
Connecticut: Solid.

Iowa, possible repeal attempts in 2010.
NH, possibe repeal attempts in 2010--must pass legislature (controlled by Dems)

Plus by 2010 we should have added NY and NJ and DC to the above list. 2010 should focus on getting "everything but marriage" bills in RI, ME and OR. (as well as defending IA and NH)


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by: Mad Professah @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 21:32:50 PM CST

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Note to self*

*If I ever visit Maine, stay on the southern end

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by: Jake Gellar-Goad @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 12:53:30 PM CST

Image is very Poor...

The map you get when you tap the image is a bit better, but still very hard to read to my eyes...can't you post a clearer pdf image? Thanks, Carl

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by: wagonjak @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 12:53:55 PM CST

Tried

But it's either the blurry one or this small one... sorry. I agree and did try to do better, as well as asked for help.

Here is a direct link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2219...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 12:59:41 PM CST

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Maybe this one is clearer...

You can zoom on this one, too.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2219...

L

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by: MaineWriter @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 15:07:42 PM CST

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The irony

of the Gamevance.com "My Wedding Dress" link on the right-hand side of the page isn't lost on me, euther. GAH.

Nerves are especially shot and raw today; after last night's vote I just hate the world.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:03:00 PM CST

Apparently my malaise

is shared by many others in Maine.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:09:21 PM CST

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I don't know if you've seen this

but watching it has been making my own malaise a little easier to live with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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by: Lexie @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 10:53:57 AM CST

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Lets NOT move on

"She's upset that people on the other side of the issue think opponents of same-sex marriage are bigots, full of hate. She believes they're hurt, disappointed in the vote.

"We have to move on - and move on with dignity, with love, with grace and peace," said Janice Couture."

THESE MoFo's are always so quick to say lets MOVE ON after they attack OUR families.

OH F*CK NO!

I want those donors names from NOM and I want them yesterday. Did anyone in Maine see businesses displaying YES signs? We need to know them.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:29:16 PM CST

Well I have one company name, Janice Couture;s

President at L'Esthetiques Skin Care Clinic, Inc.  

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:35:21 PM CST

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We probably could look through Maine's Knights of Columbus officers

Cross reference those men with the cities we lost the most votes in. to get names of donors.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:53:24 PM CST

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KoC administrative staff

   http://www.maineknights.org/Ad...
membership directors
  http://www.maineknights.org/Me...
district deputies
  http://www.maineknights.org/Di...
heres some Portland officers
  http://kofc101.org/index.php?p...

btw The Salvation Army red kettles are mostly manned by Knights of Columbus...so drop your holiday charity money...ELSEWHERE.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 14:08:02 PM CST

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here seems to be one of their online news services

   http://www.headlinebistro.com/...
I noticed they are meddling in HIV education besides their usual anti CHOICE crud

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 14:45:19 PM CST

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here's an icky little pamphlet of KoC and same sex teachings

   http://www.kofc.org/un/eb/en/r...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 14:49:31 PM CST

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Transexuals have psychological problems

Lesbians just hug and kiss for years so are easily confused

and this nugget for queer men

"the man who understands
himself as "homosexual" continues to harbor self-hatred. He hates himself
profoundly, often drowning himself in alcohol or contemplating suicide.
(The reasons for this self-hatred will become clearer later in this chapter.)"

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 15:17:04 PM CST

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finally we can all live chaste in a 12 step group and turn over our homosexuality

as a 12 step member for many years, this I find especially REVOLTING.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 15:22:30 PM CST

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looking at the Knight's photos

They'll all be dead in 15 years.
It looks like the membership requirement is you have to be over 70 yo, or have a note from your mother.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 00:00:24 AM CST

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We pretty much did worse everywere in the state than in 2005

You can't pin this all on Aroostook.  Statewide we generally did worse than we did in 2005.

We won most of the areas that we won in 2005, but with slimmer margins.  A few areas that we won in 2005 flipped to the losing side, like Kennebec county and several other moderate counties.  And where we lost in 2005, we lost again but by greater margins.  So ultimately, whereas we had a 10% win in 2005, this time we had a 5.5% loss with an incredible 60% turnout.

This is not necessarily No on 1's fault.  The vote in 2005 was on a different issue on which we normally get better support.  We lost on that issue in 1998 and it took 7 years to get to a win.  It wouldn't surprise me if history doesn't repeat itself and we win in 2016.

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by: Daniel2009 @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 13:39:02 PM CST

BACKLASH against Bishop Malone

God this gave me some joy after the anger consuming me
from gay americablog by Joe Sudbay
http://gay.americablog.com/200...

"The marriage campaign in Maine is going to end up costing Bishop Malone much more than $550,000.

This morning, there was a silent protest in front of the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Portland, Maine. That's the church my parents attend, where I was baptized and confirmed and where we had the funerals for my grandparents. The Facebook crowd was organizing the protest, but when I told my 73 year old mother about it (and she's not the Facebook crowd), she said, "Oh, I wish I knew." It's hard to explain the significance of that. My mother also just read this letter to the editor to me from Saturday's Portland Press Herald:"
  http://pressherald.mainetoday....
more at links

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 16:01:39 PM CST

Having met Mrs. Sudbay

I can tell you that is INDEED a very significant statement! WOW... I gotta wrote to Joe in the morning.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 17:18:29 PM CST

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I read some of the comments at Portland Herald on Question 1

It's not good for me to read this stuff attacking the Question 1 campaign, and the smarmy haters who used hiding behind children, and G*D DAMN stock photo family pictures to sway people. I am proud of No on 1 campaign, and their heroic work...but for me, I feel I need to brush the dust of Maine off my clothes and go elsewhere.
Then I see Gallagher and the seething just overwhelms me.
It doesn't bother her, and the happy bigots tell Maine we need to move on....and it eats me alive.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 17:11:22 PM CST

returns from the University of Maine in Orono

returns from the University of Maine in Orono. As Adam Bink reported on Tuesday night:
Final numbers are in from UM-Orono campus- 81% No, 19% yes
  http://gay.americablog.com/

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 18:35:19 PM CST

Let's make this real simple

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w...

Compare the two maps.

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by: Baconcat @ Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 21:55:44 PM CST

surf-wetsuits

check this site http://surf-wetsuits.com/

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by: lovedocean @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 01:35:56 AM CST

reported your SPAM

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 11:32:57 AM CST

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QUESTION!

If "they" can get a petition signed to put marriage to a vote, can we get a petition signed that our rights should NOT be up for a vote?

The conservative/religioous rights got Maine twice now with ballot votes and it is kicking our arses all over this country!

Btw, Sununu is an ass. Every other commercial during voting season (it's about right - they hunt us like we're in season!) is his mug and it's the usual bipolar republican tactics.

Folks, WE need to reform ourselves NOW and not lose another state.  

http://rescuemarriage.org - Help Save Marriage in California

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by: wspencer @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 17:43:34 PM CST

I had the biggest laugh

A site I read which supposedly showed such anger and loathing towards Catholics after Maine defeat, quoted the most pedestrian tepid sh*t I ever read. Hell, I could curl their hair, then burn it to the roots.
   http://s810.photobucket.com/al...
and
   http://s810.photobucket.com/al...
and
  http://s810.photobucket.com/al...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 00:39:18 AM CST

Found HUGE donations from Vegas and Philly archdiocese, one was $90,000

also located the pedofile priest scandals in NV
  http://snap-national.blogspot....
and Pennsylvania
Child Pornography in the Rectory at Lords Valley, Pennsylvania  October 19, 2009
  http://michaelbaumann.wordpres...
"According to news reports, and this is a story that is just breaking this evening, Father Robert Timchak was in court in Milford to begin answering charges for possession of child pornography and tampering with evidence.  According to news channels in Scranton, the investigation has been ongoing since December 2008 when someone tipped off the Diocese of Scranton that he had child pornography on his computer.

According to Channel 16 in Scranton, Timchak has served as pastor at several Catholic churches in the area, including the Transfigurations Church in West Hazelton, Saints Peter and Paul in Hazelton and most recently Saint John Neumann in Lords Valley"
and Scranton Archdiocese comes clean on abusive priests
  http://www.votfbpt.org/Scranto...
"Is Pennsylvania a pro-pedophile?

By Mike Ference
Pittsburgh Independent Examiner
Thursday, June 11, 2009

Now that we know an entire country (Ireland) permitted dysfunctional
sex freaks, disguised as Catholic clergy, to torture and molest
innocent children for decades, maybe, it's time to expose the same
heinous crimes in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Former PA State Rep. Lisa Bennington, D-Allegheny County, held a
press conference on May 12, 2008 in Harrisburg, PA to discuss
legislation known as the Child Victim's Act of Pennsylvania, which
addressed statute of limitations and identifying sex abusers."
    http://groups.google.com/group...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 01:03:53 AM CST

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