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RI Governor Donald Carcieri Vetoes DP Funeral Rights Bill

by: Louise

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 18:00:00 PM EST


Unbelievable-that we are even HAVING these votes on peoples' rights in this country is shameful.


An opponent of same-sex marriage, Governor Carcieri has vetoed a bill that would have added "domestic partners" to the list of people authorized by law to make funeral arrangements for each other.

The bill, also sponsored by state Sen. Rhoda Perry and state Rep. David Segal, would add "domestic partners" to the list, in current law, of people who can legally make arrangements for a deceased person's funeral, cremation or burial to include domestic partners if the deceased person left no pre-arranged funeral contract.

The legislation defines a domestic partner as someone who was in an "exclusive, intimate and committed relationship" with the deceased and had lived with him or her for at least a year prior to the death; is at least 18, not married to anyone else, not related by blood and who was financially "interdependent'' with the deceased as evidenced, for example, by a joint mortgage, shared credit card or domestic partnership contract.

According to its sponsors, the legislation is designed to provide rights to domestic partners regardless of whether they are of the same or opposite sexes.

The governor justified his veto with a released statement, which reads in part:


"If the General Assembly believes it would like to address the issue of domestic partnerships, it should place the issue on the ballot and let the people of the state of Rhode Island decide."

Yeah- we just saw how well THAT went over in Maine!


Carcieri cited at least two other reasons for his veto.

As written, he said the bill would allow the decisions of a "partner" of a year to take precedence over "traditional family members," and he believes a "one year time period is not a sufficient duration to establish a serious bond between two individuals...[relative to] sensitive personal traditions and issues regarding funeral arrangements, burial rights and disposal of human remains."

Carcieri said he was also uncertain "how it would be ascertained in many circumstances whether [a couple] had been in a relationship for a year" since there is "no official or recognized form" of domestic partnership agreement in Rhode Island.

He called this proviso "vague and ill-defined."

Yet a hetero couple that marries drunkenly in Vegas for 5 minutes like, say, Britney Spears, is automatically granted that privilege, among many others... but silly me, I'm talking about Nevada.

What about Rhode Island? Is there any requirement put upon a het couple that their NONE of their legal rights as a newly married couple don't kick in until a one year "waiting period" or "honeymoon phase", if you will, including funeral  arrangements?

Feh. Need I tell you Carcieri's a Rethug? And an especially busy one today, as he vetoed 22 bills today alone.

But some interesting reading when one clicks on the Rhode Island marriage law link... let me summarize:


$24 for a marriage license.

Under age 18 or under control of a legal guardian, the individual must complete a "Minor's Permit To Marry".

For a groom under age 18 or a bride under age 16, that individual will need "court permission" to marry.

There are NO restrictions preventing first cousins  or siblings or otherwise related individuals from marrying.

So let's consider some scenarios. Since there is no lower limit, if someone could get a court to actually APPROVE it, children as young as 15 can marry! Hell, 8 year olds! A father can marry his daughter- a mother her son! Hey, as long as they are "het", any possible combination of results is possible!

But "heaven" forbid 2 responsible adults of the same sex be able to decide the funeral arrangements and burial of their life partner...

Anyone else see the major problems with Carcieri's thinking and the current state of Rhode Island's marriage laws?

Reaction of Marriage Equality RI:


"It is absolutely unconscionable that Gov. Carcieri would step in the middle of people being able to take care of their loved ones at such a sorrowful time," said Kathy Kushnir, executive director of Marriage Equality Rhode Island, which advocates for gay marriage.

"Why would he make it more difficult? I just don't get it."

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So now they not only want to see us all dead,
they don't want us to be decently buried, too.  But hey, that's the price we pay for living in the Greatest Country in the World.  God bless Amerika!

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


votes to overrule the veto?
are there enough votes to overrule this veto?

Lurleen on Twitter

Democrats have the Power...
"Democrats hold a veto-proof majority in the Legislature and frequently override Carcieri's objections."

[ Parent ]
also
The bill passed both houses with almost no opposition. There were multiple votes due to amendments and different versions of the bill floating around, but the final House vote was 63-1. I don't have the numbers on the final Senate vote, but my memory is that only one senator did not vote for it the first time it went through (and he actually abstained rather than voting no.) So they have the votes to override, and I think enough people are outraged enough that they actually will.

[ Parent ]
What a dumb Governor
If it almost passed unanimously the first time, you'd think he would just get it over with and sign it...

Though, if they have veto proof power, why hasn't same-sex marriage been legalized yet? (Vermont Style)


[ Parent ]
unfortunately
Unfortunately, we have a significant number of conservative Democrats who do not favor marriage equality. They aren't a majority in the House, but they are a large enough number to cause headaches for the leadership, especially when there is currently a battle going on in the background to determine who the next Speaker of the House will be. The Senate is more conservative than that, even. The vote counts on bills like this one don't match up with their attitudes on marriage equality. A bill like this funeral bill is a no-brainer for almost everyone, but of course not for our jerkwad governor. But marriage is a tougher issue. Attitudes are changing in society in general, and we've elected some better people over the years, but it's a process.  

[ Parent ]
What a dick!
I hereby declare his marriage null and void because I think he is a dick and nobody could possibly prosper in a relationship with him.  

Unfortunately, I don't have the authority to implement my decree.  I hope there is a special place in hell for the powerful who have oppressed the innocent.


So why bother with a representative democracy at all?
"If the General Assembly believes it would like to address the issue of domestic partnerships, it should place the issue on the ballot and let the people of the state of Rhode Island decide."

And while we're at it we can fire all elected officials, Governor, and just let The People ... er ... do whatever the badword it is they do when there isn't any government.


Disgusting
May he rot.

RI govenor (ignorant)
Ok I have got to hide my head in the sand, how can someone so stupid and malicious be govenor. I am angry, upset and need a cocktail now, that is wrong, wrong, wrong.  I feel sorry for one of his family members that is gay, ok well at least we can still get the grass roots going on it....
Thanks for letting me vent, and please for an article such as this please put a "Warning of Stupidity" over it next time.....

Love ya


Carcieri is presiding over the bankruptcy of a state
Rhode Island is nearing the end of its credit and the end of its ability to raise revenue. Not a stellar performance.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
"Why would he make it more difficult? I just don't get it."
He's a hateful bigot who considers gay people less than human. A guy like this would just as happy setting up concentration camps for us. End of explanation.  

"Don't take any guff from these swine!"
                     ---Raoul Duke


indescribable cruelty
What the f*ck does who we bury or creamate matter to this sh*t head.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


2010 there is a choice
You got the Democratic nominees, or the Independent Linc Chaffee, because RI is overwhelmingly Democratic people usually vote for the other party to provide balance, at least Linc is very gay friendly compared to the current governor.

Hopefully, a Dem or Chaffee gets in next year...
Last I checked, 53% of Rhode Islanders now support marriage equality. It's really just homophobe Carcieri holding the whole state back.  

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

[ Parent ]
Must think that God is in the Mix
Putting it before the bigoted, fear driven masses is not an option. Do you suppose that he would have said the same thing to Martin Luther King?

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

rhode island
catholic ,catholic,RI gov is KNOWN for his hatred of gays

This kind of blows the "just don't call it marriage!!!" excuse sky-high
Every time we ask for equal rights, some know-it-all "liberal" who is our "fierce advocate" scolds that all we have to do is stop calling it marriage and everything will be fine.

Guess not in Rhode Island. Or Texas. Or most other states that don't have "civil unions" or anything approximating them.

Marriage rights now. Nothing less.


Reporters reading this, please listen:
I know we have some reporters from the LGBT press reading the blog. So I implore you to contact Maggie Gallagher and get her comment on Carcieri's action. I want NOM's take on it to be public, whether they think it was the right thing to do or was not.  

[ Parent ]
It's absurdity
I had just read some of the Governors' comments on why he vetoed the bill. http://bit.ly/42Nv91

This one really sums it up:

"This bill represents a disturbing trend over the past few years of the incremental erosion of the principles surrounding traditional marriage, which is not the preferred way to approach this issue," said Gov. Carcieri.

So I'm uncertain as to whether he knew exactly what he was voting for....marriage rights or death rights. Or is it all the same to him? No rights.

 

A closed mind is like an unfed lake. It becomes stagnant, dark and unsuitable to sustain life.  


And the "preferred way" is???

what?  

Question:  What does an atheist do when they fall to the floor and start "speaking in tongues"?

Answer: Get a CAT scan.


[ Parent ]
I so love your Q&A tag!


"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." ~~~ Thomas Jefferson

[ Parent ]
This is another proof positive.......
......example that the religious reich-wing would NEVER even allow us to have full "equality" (which DP's and civil unions are not) even under a different name. When are we going to take to the streets in VIOLENT protests! It's time to revisit Stonewall! I'm ready! But one person does not make a protest! We need ALL hands on deck. I am ready to go to prison, I am ready to die for our rights, are you?

I know very few people agree with the violence part, but we are already being accused of it! We might as well prove them right. If we can't "win" over their hearts and minds, it's time we scare the living hell out of them.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." ~~~ Thomas Jefferson


Okay, I'm not letting my kid apply to Brown then
I'm not driving into a state in which my wife has no rights. No tourism spending, no tolls, nothing out of my pockets.

What an arrogant jerk--solve it some OTHER way, not by passing a law that addresses one particular issue affecting your family.


But wait, there's more!


Yeah, Britney Spears can get married in my state while drunk...
But I can't even when I'm sober! And worse yet, our idiot Governor even tried to prevent comprehensive domestic partnerships... Yes, the same Governor known for his affairs and sexual harassment! Fortunately he didn't succeed, but it's so frustrating how the homobigots are holding us back while continuing to ignore the sanctity of their own marriages.

Want to save marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how! ;-)

Carcieri
Myrth York, a wealthy liberal lawyer and former state legislator who was running for governor for the third time, aired a series of ads implicating Carcieri in two Cookson controversies: the death of fifteen Brazilian workers at a mine that sold tin to the company and the poisoning of a Philadelphia neighborhood by a factory operated by a Cookson subsidiary. Carcieri dismissed both accusations as desperate distortions. In the end, voters had a hard time seeing Carcieri, with his easy smile and quick laugh, as the embodiment of the greedy corporate CEO.  

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
NOM f*cktard......figures
Carcieri, who is also a strong supporter of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), told the crowd of more than 300 that marriage is "not a civil right". Said the governor: "It is a not civil
right. I get aggravated when it is portrayed that way. Marriage is a license by the state. It is about a state's
responsibility, which is the reason why states don't allow a lot of
types of marriages."
  http://www.zimbio.com/Governor...

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


the governor's goumadas
 He hosts a show on the local UPN affiliate known as "The Real Deal." Now before you blame the affiliate, remember that Mr. Dufault purchases this ½ hour time slot for his show. So, what exactly did Mr. Dufault get caught saying? Here goes:

I can bring (RI Governor Don) Carcieri down. I got stuff. If nothing else, I got the names of the past goumadas, and I'm just going to start throwing them out there."
So, what exactly is Dufault saying? Well, he's telling a fellow panelist, Michael Levesque, about what he has planned in the upcoming campaign against the incumbent Republican governor. Dufault planned to release the names of the governor's goumadas, an Italo-American slang for girlfriend out of wedlock. Levesque, being the consummate Rhode Island insider, replies that this was a worry for Republicans when Carcieri first ran for gubernatorial office. Oh, by the way, Mr. Levesque is a former chairman of the Rhode Island Republican Party as well as the former mayor of West Warwick, RI. Levesque has had his own share of scandals in his political career and currently works for Harrah's Entertainment, as, you guessed it, a lobbyist.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
this is old news
This story is old news. There was a flurry of reporting on it years ago, and it went nowhere except that Carcieri was indignant that it wasn't true, and Dufault was castigated for having said it on the air (even though it was clear that he didn't know he was on the air.)

Meanwhile, someone posted in the comments on the Advocate's article about this that Carcieri has a gay grandson. I had not heard that before, but if it's true, it makes me even more disgusted with him than I already was. I hope I live long enough to piss on his grave.


[ Parent ]
I don't know for sure...
...but I bet I can guess what religion this guy is.

Wahhhh? ..and EFF him..

Granting marriage equality as a matter of civil law will curtail absolutely NO ONE's rights. Religious traditionalists will still enjoy all the legal rights they currently enjoy. Their churches, mosques and faith communities will still be able to define religious marriage in exactly the same way they always have, should they see fit.

Just like civil divorce does not require Roman Catholics to acknowledge the state or to acknowledge the subsequent legal marriages of the divorced individuals, "gay" marriage as a legality will, likewise, not force any individuals or religious groups to alter their views in any way.

What they will lose is the exclusive right to define the civil rights of others and the ability to claim those legal benefits for themselves. Just as whites did when Jim Crow laws were overturned and men did when women were allowed to vote. Whites were still allowed to believe that blacks were inferior and men were still allowed to believe that women should remain barefoot and pregnant. Simply, the predominant group could no longer use the law to oppress those other groups.

What about the significant and growing number of faiths and confessions that believe that a lifelong commitment between two men or between two women is sacred and due the same honor as that between a man and a woman? Is not allowing the religious traditionalists to have a stranglehold on the legal definition of marriage denying the religious rights of the Quakers, the Unitarians and so many others who honor marriages between same sex couples and include them in their definition of marriage?

I ask you, what exactly am I supposed to empathize with? that straight folks automatically have a right to sponsor their alien spouses for permanent residency and I cannot? That they can legally include them in their health insurance benefits and I cannot? That they need not pay an attorney to draw up a will and myriad other documents to assure that their spouses can visit them in the hospital, make health decisions for them when necessary, leave them their worldly possessions, etc., etc. when they die just by virtue of the monopoly they hold on these rights? That they are protected against having to testify against their spouses? Or is it that their feelings are going to be hurt because the government will no longer be advocating their particular spiritual view when it does grant marriage equality to gay couples?

In short, furthering liberty and equality harms no one and raises millions of Americans out of second-class citizenship. On the issue of the equality of our gay citizens, it is time that America lived up to its ideals that we are all equal under the law.

 


So to cap this off He has/had a mistress and is a NOM backer
He was implicated in poisoning a PA town and killing 15 miners.

THEN has the unmitigated gaul to decide we can't bury our dead.

All the queer money that goes to Providence, either you use the bulk of those profits to get this SOB, or we'll boycott Providence NATIONALLY.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Rhode Island
My partner and I drove up the east coast this summer, stopping in several beach towns. We knew we were moving to a marriage equality state in late summer/early fall, but at that point we were open to any of the five New England states that had marriage equality. (It didn't even occur to us that Maine would be repealed.) We really liked Rhode Island, and felt like Providence would have been a good place for her business. Then we had to put it out of our minds completely, as we were moving in order to get more rights, not fewer. We could have stayed in Maryland and been allowed to make health care decisions for each other, visit in the hospital, share a room in a nursing home, ride together in an ambulance, make funeral arrangements, and claim the other's body after death. Which was a nice start, but we just didn't feel like we could continue to wait for our rights. So Rhode Island lost a business it could have had to Massachusetts, plus two would-be taxpayers who would have spent money locally. It's a business that uses a lot of consumable goods, so Rhode Island would have gotten us buying materials and other items, and then the clients buying the finished product at the higher rate. But we spend all of our money in Massachusetts, because in this state no receptionist, nurse, doctor, or anyone else has even looked at us funny for being together. Sorry, RI, your loss. We'll be taking the route that goes south through Connecticut this Thanksgiving.

We're not going to be married until next year, but engaged or partnered seems to be accepted as a valid status here, just as it would be for a hetero couple. That's a huge difference I've noticed. No one treats us like we're playing house and might break up. They treat us as a couple making a serious commitment. It will be so baffling next year to drive "home" for the holidays. MA - we're married. If we do go through RI - legal strangers. CT - married again. NY - married, but better keep that POA handy. NJ - now we're in a civil union. PA - strangers again. MD - our marriage will probably be recognized in respect to the whopping eleven rights spelled out in the Medical Decision-Making Act, but there's no guarantee (as opposed to the few hundred state rights and 1138 federal rights married heteros get). Then should we decide to fly across the country to visit her family, we become domestic partners. It's ridiculous. I wonder what we are to each other while we're in the air. DOMA needs to go. It's time to end this asininity in the name of states' rights.


Love (not really) the run down of changing status
as the two of you drive "home."  As to your ponder, "I wonder what we are to each other while we're in the air"...the answer is obvious...your status would be "Up in the Air."

[ Parent ]
some more info (links dump and stuff)
Rhode Island resident here. Been ranting with various people all night. Thought I would add some additional info for more context, if anyone is interested.

The news blog that Louise linked to has a link to the heartbreaking story that prompted this legislation in the first place. Please take a moment to read it. Knowing this man's story makes Gov Carcinogen's action look even more loathsome.

Naturally, the Providence Journal story leaves out one salient fact that was reported elsewhere: the surviving partner tried to get the Providence Journal to run an obituary, but they refused. Given that obituaries in that paper are paid advertisements, their action is baffling to me given how badly they are circling the drain financially. But that's neither here nor there.

Besides Marriage Equality RI, there is another, newer activist group in RI called Queer Action RI. They have issued a press release about the governor's action in which they also mention that they have a meeting scheduled with him this Thursday (it had been scheduled before Tuesday's veto.) I know some of the people who are supposed to be at this meeting and have heard speculation on some others. It will be very interesting to see if this meeting even happens now (it was already postponed once) and what transpires if so.

Finally, and I have posted about this many times, most states have mechanisms in place where a person can designate ahead of time, often with a specific form, who they want to be in charge of disposition of their remains. The Funeral Consumers Alliance has compiled a guide with information about these laws in most states (there is no information about a few states.) I urge all of our US readers to take a look at this information and take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and your partner.  


Thank you
Mark and Ron's story is indeed heartbreaking; I have heard similar hellish stories here in Maine this past year and they just take a peice of one's strength to listen to or read about...

Please keep me informed about RI, especially as we get closer about 2010. And keep hope that all will improve. :)

(((HUGS)))

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."


[ Parent ]
"piece"
1st cuppa coffee! ;)

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

[ Parent ]
What's with the sex discrimination?
Enough has been said about how heinous this veto is, but something else struck me about this post: why is it that men must wait until 18 to marry but women only 16? What is the justification for that blatant little bit of sex discrimination? Has no one challenged this in court?!?

Justification?
Probably to make it easier on 18-year old boys who knock up their 16-year old girlfriends.

[ Parent ]
Hate Stinks
(sung to the tune of "Love Stinks")

I know everyone and their grandmother is against the idea of a tax revolt, but, c'mon!

How much more of our human dignity has to be shit on before we feel entitled to demand these basic rights - without timelines, votes, compromises, or timidity?     Doesn't our birthright as US citizens and our tax dollars deserve more than this?

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!


The hell it isn't.
My husband and I had our ceremony after being together for one year. We celebrated five years together in August.

This guy can seriously go fuck himself. I may be in Texas, but I'm glad both of our families get along.


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