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Mormon leadership comes out in support of (some) basic rights for (some) LGBT Utahns

by: Chino Blanco

Wed Nov 11, 2009 at 03:15:17 AM EST


( - promoted by Louise)

Video from the public hearing, featuring Michael Otterson, Eric Ethington (local blogger/activist and genuinely nice guy), Deeda Seed, and Jonas from the all-Brazilian America Forever bigot brigade:

Text of LDS statement after the break.

Chino Blanco :: Mormon leadership comes out in support of (some) basic rights for (some) LGBT Utahns

Transcript of remarks by the managing director of LDS Public Affairs, who spoke at the hearing in support of Salt Lake City's proposed non-discrimination ordinance:

"Good evening.

"My name is Michael Otterson, and I am here tonight officially representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The non-discrimination ordinance being reviewed by the City Council concerns important questions for the thoughtful people of this community.

"Like most of America, our community in Salt Lake City is comprised of citizens of different faiths and values, different races and cultures, different political views and divergent demographics. Across America and around the world, diverse communities such as ours are wrestling with complex social and moral questions. People often feel strongly about such issues. Sometimes they feel so strongly that the ways in which they relate to one another seem to strain the fabric of our society, especially where the interests of one group seem to collide with the interests of another.

"The issue before you tonight is the right of people to have a roof over their heads and the right to work without being discriminated against. But, importantly, the ordinance also attempts to balance vital issues of religious freedom. In essence, the Church agrees with the approach which Mayor Becker is taking on this matter.

"In drafting this ordinance, the city has granted common-sense rights that should be available to everyone, while safeguarding the crucial rights of religious organizations, for example, in their hiring of people whose lives are in harmony with their tenets, or when providing housing for their university students and others that preserve religious requirements.

"The Church supports this ordinance because it is fair and reasonable and does not do violence to the institution of marriage. It is also entirely consistent with the Church's prior position on these matters. The Church remains unequivocally committed to defending the bedrock foundation of marriage between a man and a woman.

"I represent a church that believes in human dignity, in treating others with respect even when we disagree - in fact, especially when we disagree. The Church's past statements are on the public record for all to see. In these comments and in our actions, we try to follow what Jesus Christ taught. Our language will always be respectful and acknowledge those who differ, but will also be clear on matters that we feel are of great consequence to our society.

"Thank you."

Linkage:

AP: Mormon church backs anti-discrimination proposals

Salt Lake Tribune: Pro-gay statutes win city, LDS nod

On Top Magazine: Mormon Church Makes An About Face On Gay Rights

Voice Of Deseret: LDS Church Expresses Official Support For Salt Lake City's Proposed Gay Nondiscrimination Ordinances ... Paul Mero's head explodes.

A Soft Answer: Mormon Church Issues Statement in Support of Gay-rights Ordinances

Moms for Equality: Big News Coming from the Mormons!

Press Releases:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE      
AFFIRMATION: GAY AND LESBIAN MORMONS
CONTACT MEDIA AFFAIRS DIRECTOR MICAH BISSON
MICAH@AFFIRMATION.ORG OR 720-339-6218
WWW.AFFIRMATION.ORG

Gay Mormons Applaud LDS Church Action

Affirmation: Gay and Lesbian Mormons applauds the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for endorsing the employment and housing non-discrimination act now before the Salt Lake City (Utah) Council.

Discrimination based on a person's identity, including race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability, has always been wrong. It is commendable that the LDS Church is taking a step toward living up to its own teachings of valuing of all humanity. It is a vital first step.

"We pray that the words spoken tonight are to be followed up with positive action," said Affirmation Assistant Executive Director Micah Bisson. "It is time to eliminate the heavy-handed church actions to defeat marriage equality and protections for transgender people. When LDS officials arrest gay people for public affection on Temple Square, we need to realize that all Mormons, and the LDS church itself, look small-minded to people who are outside the tradition."

"The LDS Church, as is the case with any faith organization, has the absolute right to choose whatever standards it wishes for membership, and to choose what marriage ordinances it wishes to perform or to recognize," stated Assistant Executive Director George Cole. "It does not have the right to impose its unique standards upon those of other faiths."

"Too many millions of dollars have been spent; the Church has been the punch-line of too many jokes," added Executive Director David Melson. "This is an opportunity for the Church to take a position of leadership, to declare an end to the hostilities that have divided our country and our families, to welcome all of God's children into the Church of Jesus Christ."

We are grateful for this first step, we await the second.

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION
CONTACT: STEVEN GREENSTREET (801) 580-3103
PRESS@MORMONPROPOSITION.COM

MORMON CHURCH LEADERS BEND UNDER SCRUTINY BROUGHT ON BY 8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION.

IS THIS ANOTHER MORMON P.R. STUNT?

On November 10, 2009 several highly placed people featured in the upcoming documentary film 8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION were contacted by well-placed people inside the Mormon Church in anticipation of an "historic statement against discrimination" to be made by the Mormon Church.

They were told, "Watch what we are about to do. You will be pleased."

At this hour gays and lesbians all over the world hope that the Mormon Church's announcement will not be yet another Mormon public relations smoke screen and result in action that will result in full marriage equality for the LGBT community world-wide.

Since the release of the trailer for 8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION, intense scrutiny has been focused on Mormon involvement in the passage of Proposition 8 and allegations that the Mormon Church set up the infamous NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MARRIAGE which was the key player in Maine's recent ban on gay marriage.

Sources close to those who called our cast and production team alerting us to the upcoming Mormon statement on discrimination say that Mormon Mitt Romney has recently put pressure on his own church to extend an olive branch to the gay community to try and deflate the anticipated negative press that will come from the release of 8: THE MORMON PROPOSITION that would likely damage his hope for a successful 2012 presidential bid.

Ironically (and we suspect in step with the Mormon's anticipated statement on discrimination) Mormon-owned KSL TV released an article on their web site saying "Romney appears to be front-runner in 2012 election."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8613293

While the 8:TMP team hopes Mormons end their game of discrimination against the LGBT community and wishes to work with people of all faith traditions to end discrimination, we would like to assert the following:

FACT: Under similar international scrutiny, Mormon leaders have in the past made similar statements regarding being against discrimination directed towards minorities & the LGBT COMMUNITY.

FACT: Gay leaders in SLC begged Mormon leaders to back up their statements on ending discrimination against the LGBT commmunity, through Mormon support for their COMMON GROUND INITIATIVE.

FACT: Despite lip service, Mormons did not get behind the COMMON GROUND INITIATIVE and in fact worked to see the initiative's defeat.

FACT: Despite lip service to people of color, the holiest book of Mormon scripture THE BOOK OF MORMON still refers to people of color as being "CURSED WITH A DARK SKIN, FILTHY AND LOATHSOME."

FACT: Despite lip service to people of color, printings of MORMON DOCTRINE by beloved Mormon Apostle Bruce R. Mcconkie, assert African Americans are "marked" for not being fully behind the plan of Jesus Christ in a pre-earth life war in Heaven.

FACT: A Mormon spokesperson told 8:TMP's director "this is all about public relations and making the church look good."

In conclusion, as Mormon heavy-hitters prepare for the so-called "historic announcement" our team would encourage Mormons to put their money and their membership by doing the following:

1. Severing all Mormon ties to the NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MARRIAGE, which works to rob the LGBT COMMUNITY of their civil rights.

2. Directing an amount of money equal to Mormon money spent in California's Prop. 8 campaign to LGBT marriage equality.

3. Removing from all Mormon canonized scripture any reference to people of color as being "cursed or marked with a dark skin" or being "filthy and loathsome."

4. Ask Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks to retract his recent teachings on LGBT "alleged civil rights" and affirm that LGBT rights are not "alleged" but deserved and long overdue.

Our production team and cast await the day when Mormons will work with the LGBT community not only with their words, but their money and their members to achieve FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY. This is the only way to truly advocate for the end of discrimination against ALL PEOPLE.

Anything else is lip-service.

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE      
THE FOUNDATION FOR RECONCILIATION
CONTACT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS PETER DANZIG
PETERDANZIG@HOTMAIL.COM OR 801-865-9029
WWW.LDSAPOLOGY.ORG

LDS Church Endorses protections for LGBT individuals in Housing and Employment

The Foundation for Reconciliation / LDSapology.org is thrilled that the LDS Church was able to find common ground with the LGBT community by officially endorsing a Salt Lake City non-discrimination ordinance today that includes basic protections in housing and employment for LGBT individuals. Peter Danzig, the Foundation's communications director stated "this grew out of conversations the LDS Church recently began with leaders in the LGBT community. This demonstrates the power that just beginning to talk with each other can have. We have a lot of common ground."

"We hope this is just the first of many more such opportunities" stated the Foundation's director, Cheryl Nunn. "Just 6 days prior to their announcement today we met with a Church representative following our handcart trek and presented him with our Plea for Reconciliation Petition. This is precisely the type of action we were advocating for."

Janeen Thompson, a member of the Foundation's executive committee said, "This is precisely the type of dialogue and action I was hoping for from my Church. I feel like this is a big step in the right direction."

"The Foundation has written to Church officials requesting just such a private dialogue to discuss their concerns," stated Nunn. "This gives me hope that such conversations can and do happen."

The Foundation for Reconciliation is an organization dedicated to creating opportunities for reconciliation between the LDS and LGBT community. More information is available at www.LDSapology.org

###

Toons:

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That second 'toon cracks me up every time.  "Better than Ted."  Guffaw.  That Mitt, what a comedian.

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Maybe Now...
they can pass an anti-discrimination law for the whole state.

Wow, nothing but good news out of the council lately
First Stan Penfold, the director of the Utah AIDS Foundation, wins his election to the council as the first out LGBT person on that council.  Then we get a unanimous vote on this.  I need to find the text of the actual ordinance, but the AP says that the ordinance includes protection for transgendered people too, despite the talking heads in the clip above erasing them.

I don't really care what the church is up to.  As far as I'm concerned, they can gaywash all they like--if that really is their intent.  I just don't care, this is awesome.

Here's hoping we can get the Common Ground initiatives through the state legislature next session.


Common ground...eh not sure
The ordinance does include Trans people to answer that question.  It is pretty narrow, but a step forward.

As for the Mormon church making an about face, NO.  PR stunt, Probably. Salt Lake no longer has a majority of Mormons living in it...and they realize that everything they do lately has lead to them being more of a pariah in the community.  You can bet our old buddy Chris Buttars (R) West Jordan and Gayle Ruzika of the Eagle forum will be working up a bill in the legislature to tank this...They tried to do it with the Domestic Partner Registry and basically got the legislature to force a name change.  

I would truly like to believe that there has been a switch in how the church is acting since every legislative session is started out with the church calling the legislators to their headquarters to discuss their agenda....but no they aren't involved in politics....just most of the legislators are "members" of the church.

"I drank what?"  Socrates


[ Parent ]
Additionnally, the bill already had majority support in SLC city council
so the LDS church had nothing to lose. They deftly made a lose into a win for themselves. Now they can run around beating up on kissing gays while yelling, "we don't hate the gays."

Hypocrits - still. . .

Tune is next year for further developments.

Close the GayTM. Only give to candidates who have actually done something other than make promises - most are just pandering for our cash.


[ Parent ]
The church supports because it enshrines narrow-minded bigotry into law
The church is exempt. By extension, so are the very many church-run enterprises, including for-profit corporations and businesses. I will be very unsurprised when Mormon judges start extending this exemption to Mormons business owners who are not directly affiliated to the LDS church.

I have to wonder if the World Church of the Creator could get similar exemptions to civil rights laws targeting racism, and what public opinion would be if they did.

But we're gay, and we don't matter.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même merde.


"does not do violence to the institution of marriage"???
What the fuck is that?  Since the law has nothing whatever to do with marriage, why even make a comment like that?  Why drag something so completely irrelevant into the discussion?  Even when, for once, they do the right thing, and even though they do it for the wrong reason ("to make the church look good"), they still can't put a check on their goddamned bigotry.  And so the LGBT version of the Mountain Meadows Massacre continues, in spirit if not in fact.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


That line jumped our at me too
That's why this seems under duress and something triggered this reaction by LDS.I also think it'smore than the film 8 the Mormon Proposition. I think NOM donors are soon to be released, and it's REALLy gonna p*ss us off....again.
The film has been showing previews for over a month,  and this just came quickly out of left field.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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In a way, the line is brilliant
The LDS Church could come out in favor of marriage equality, and use the EXACT same phrase! (Well, at least the first sentence):

The Church supports this ordinance because it is fair and reasonable and does not do violence to the institution of marriage.

The time may come when the LDS leadership realizes that allowing lesbian and gay civil marriages, as long as the Church doesn't have to bless them, "does not do violence to the institution of (opposite-sex) marriage."

I would bet that the LDS leadershop finds its way to such a position before the Roman Catholic Church is able to crawl out of the theological hole they've dug for themselves.



[ Parent ]
Let's see. What is the phrase I am looking for?
Oh yah. It is a big fat FUCK YOU to the Mormon leadership. Revoke their damn tax status and let them meddle in affairs of state all they want. I think we'll stop at SLC so I can flip the "temple" off in person.  

"Any transition serious enough to alter your definition of self will require not just small adjustments in your way of living and thinking but a full-on metamorphosis."

Are they lying for God again?
I don't trust the LDS as far as I can throw them. Until marriage equality is a reality, I'm not about to let them fool me twice. I smell a rat.

I got that whiff of rodent too
something ain't right, maybe investigations by the IRS in LDS books are happening, and public oppinion towards all churches losing tax exempt status is gaining traction?

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Thats what I'm thinking...
After California, Massatucetts and Washington state and other places are experiancing GLBT freindly legislation seems to have a ton of money show up from out of town and it leads back to those faith based initiaitves which have federal funds... Someone may have finally put 2 and 2 together and gotten an answer thats making them look a bit deeper.

[ Parent ]
LDS members are going BONKERS
Either they are mad about beastility and pedofiles having any RIGHTS, or they are patting themselves on the back so hard for their LOVING tollerance and pouting queers aren't thanking them profusely.

I put it in perspective for them.
This is a babystep, but MOST states in THIS century have statewide ENDAs they passed in the eighties.
So while this is a perfectly nice baby step, quit patting yourselves on the back like you ran the MARATHON.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


As an EX-mormon lesbian
This outrages me because the mormon cult has such a slick PR machine that they will now do any small, insignificant, outdated act to seem like a nice, compassionate religion instead of the homophobic, sexist, racist cult that they are.

I think they are starting to recognize the incredible backlash (not enough of one, in my opinion) they have received because of what they did in California. The mormons will do anything to appear to be normal.

P.S. This is my first post. This looks like a great community. Hello. :-)


welcome Talulah!
I wasn't raised Mormon, but my mother converted from LDS when I was 4 yo. I know my entire maternal side of the family who mostly are lapsed Mormons in SLC and Vegas.
I did know very strict Mormon great garndparents, and my grandmother was devout LDS but never pushed it.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
Hi Heather!
Thanks for the welcome.

It's so good your mom was smart enough to get out when you were 4. If you have that much mormon (I have such a hard time even capitalizing the word) family, then you know the insanity of this cult.

Nice to meet you. :-)


[ Parent ]
Hey, Talulah!
Goodtameetcha. I'm Keori, a bisexual-practicing-lesbian, recovering from having been raised in that nasty little hate cult, and having been disavowed by my parents. Louise is my Mom now. We're nice here. We have cookies. Gluten-free, even, if you needs 'em.

Ahem. My reaction to this load of horsehockey?

Matthew Shepard's murderer, Russel Henderson, is a mormon.

Boyd K. Packer, a mormon General Authority, has endorsed violence against gay people. Dallin Oaks has said gays are a worse threat than terrorism. Spencer W. Kimball, who has been called the "most beloved Prophet of all," called us an abomination in his book "The Miracle of Forgiveness."

Don't try to tell me that shit on the toast is really beanie wienies. A coat of mustard ain't gonna cover up the stench.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
Thanks! Nice to meet you, Keori.
I have always wondered why more people were not told that Russel Henderson was a mormon.

Don't even get me started about "It's a Miracle If You're Forgiven". What a nasty, hate filled little book. In the same book, Spencer W. Kimball tells girls and women that it is better that they should fight to the death than be raped, as he stated, "Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle.A murdered woman is better than a raped one, according to the mormons."

Here's what he had to say about masturbation:
"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."

This is what I grew up being taught? How insane is this? These people have to be stopped from spreading their hate. As you said, Boyd KKK Packer encourages violence against gay people.

I agree with your points. No matter how much the mormon cult tries to sound nice and progressive, they are teaching their congregations to hate and to act out in violence. There is very little the mormons could ever do to gain my respect. It's gone for good. They are a very untrustworthy, hateful business.


[ Parent ]
EDIT. I want to edit my above post, but don't know how to on this board.
I missed a quotation mark on one of my quotes. I meant to end the quote about rape at the end of this sentence, "It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle." End quote. I added (not Spencer W. Kimball), "A murdered woman is better than a raped one, according to the mormons."  

[ Parent ]
We don't have an edit function.
Don't worry about it. Plenty of us have made those kinds of mistakes.

Fetch my pearls, I need to clutch them!

[ Parent ]
HA!
You DO refer to him as Boyd KKK Packer! Have you spent time at exmormon.org? I hung out there under a different handle in the late 90s/early 2000-01.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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Rfm
Yes, I post at exmormon.org. I hadn't for years. I resigned from the mormon church in 2001 and used to post on Rfm (Recovery From Mormonism, just so the rest of you know what we're talking about) in 2000 and 2001, but I thought I moved on from the destructive pain the mormon cult causees. They just keep right on ripping that bandaid off though! Do you ever visit Rfm anymore?

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Well....
this is good news for people in SLC, but if the LDS want to make a convincing show of "love" for Kimball's abominations, they need to do something a LOT more expansive and permanent.  statewide LGBT anti-discrimination law, fr example, with no exemptions for businesses just because they are owned by church members.  This new ordinance is a mere speck of dust compared to what they could do if they honestly wanted to do something constructive.

Lurleen on Twitter

And will these SLC protections survive the coming leg. session?
A local Utah blogger is wondering if the LDS church chose to speak up now (when the measure was going to pass anyway), so that later, when the state legislature meets next session and undoes this progress, the church can silently sit on its hands, shrug its shoulders, and claim "Well, we made our position clear during the city council hearing.  If this is how the state legislators choose to vote, Que Sera, Sera."  

SLC Passes Pro-LGBT Measures. Will It Last?

http://ethingtoneric.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/slcpro/

I'm not quite as skeptical, and like to think the LDS leadership really doesn't want another Buttarspalooza, but I guess we'll see.

twitter.com/ChinoBlanco | youtube.com/ChinoBlanco


[ Parent ]
i'm confused.
are you saying that the state legislature can veto a city ordinance?

Lurleen on Twitter

[ Parent ]
Not veto, override.
Sen. Buttars May Try to Block SLC Antidiscrimination Ordinance

http://kcpw.org/blog/local-new...

Republican State Senator Chris Buttars, who has said publicly that he believes gay people have no morals, isn't one to shy away from giving his opinion on gay-rights issues. He doesn't believe discrimination actually occurs against LGBT Utahns, and doesn't believe sexual orientation should be a protected class. So if Salt Lake City passes an anti-discrimination ordinance that would apply to sexual orientation, he plans to respond from the state Capitol.

"I don't believe the discrimination they scream about is really real," he told KCPW. "I'm watching that to see what they try to do, and if they keep pushing it, then I will bring a bill about it."



twitter.com/ChinoBlanco | youtube.com/ChinoBlanco

[ Parent ]
I'd love to see Buttar's thugs try to kidnap another queer teen for their gulag
NOW with Hate Crimes Laws....sue them for everything they own

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


[ Parent ]
This man must live in a cave somewhere, what does he think
happened to Matthew Shepard and all those LGBTs killed by violent straights?  What a fu()in ignoramous.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

[ Parent ]
The upside to this LDS statement ...
Video:  Sutherland Institute: Allowing SLC's so-called 'homosexuals' to work and find housing = marriage

The next time Paul Mero and the Sutherland Institute want to debate Equality Utah, my suggestion to EU would be to ignore these WATB yahoos.

twitter.com/ChinoBlanco | youtube.com/ChinoBlanco


When it comes to "changing scripture"
I think the best one can expect would be for the interpretation of the words go from the literal to the allegorical - the "dark skin" references could be seen as not a literal but a spiritual darkening, or somesuch.

It is someting like a Catholic Annulment - the RCC painted itself in a corner when it interpreted "what God hath put together, let no man set aside" as a ban on divorce.

Read properly, it's more of an affirmation of women's rights - the tradition was that a man could divorce his wife just by saying "I divorce you" three times, rather than by having things hashed out by a court or a tribunal.


LDS claimed their bad PR they'd "use" from prop 8
maybe this is part of that?

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get your religious paws off my constitutional laws.  These people are beyond redemption.  What snakes in the grass!

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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