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Donnie McClurkin's self-hatred is a teachable moment for lgbt community

by: Alvin McEwen

Thu Nov 12, 2009 at 08:04:48 AM EST


crossposted on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters

From my online buddy Rod 2.0 comes this hot mess:

Donnie McClurkin ramps up the ridiculous to speak in tongues and call gays "vampires". The infamously "ex-gay"—or should we say merely "re-closeted"—Grammy Award winning gospel singer and evangelist rants against gays, gay youth and recently out gospel singer Tonex at the Church of God in Christ's Holy Convocation Youth Service. This happened last Saturday at the COGIC convention in Memphis.

In the first of three disgusting YouTube videos, McClurkin begins his rant against Tonex, the gospel star and minister who recently confirmed his long-rumored sexuality. McClurkin says Tonex is a "perversion" and must pray away the gay: "God did not call young people to such peversion. Society has failed him, his church has failed him ... I would be homosexual to this day if Jesus hadn't delivered."

McClurkin also rails against against openly gay youth as "broken and feminine": "I see feminine men, feminine boys, everywhere I go ... No, don't applaud 'cuz it ain't funny. It's because we failed. I see them everywhere."

And just so the young lesbians aren't felt "left out," he says the following in the second video:

"These young girls are just as bad as the boys in homosexuality, you don't see it. They can hide ... but there are some evil young hard butch girls."


The videos Rod speaks of are here:

Alvin McEwen :: Donnie McClurkin's self-hatred is a teachable moment for lgbt community

Quite a different turn of phrase from McClurkin who, a couple of years ago when he selling a book, was quoted as saying that he wasn't "anti-gay:"

"What I say in the book is simply this: If you're gay, and you're happy, if you don't think you need to change, stay just how you are. But there are some people who are in the gay and bisexual lifestyle that are broken . . ." - Donnie McClurkin puts the focus back on traditional gospel - in secular music, The Associated Press, 2005

I guess when you don't have a book to sell, you don't need to kiss as much ass.

Also, I'm confused about McClurkin's statement about no longer being gay. According to this link, the story of his "deliverance" keeps shifting. 

Honestly speaking though, if McClurkin has a problem with "feminine acting" men and boys, he really needs to leave the black church experience. I mean just who is McClurkin trying to kid?

Certainly not myself, Rod 2,0 or anyone else who is aware of  the black church experience. The black church is filled to the brim with gay men.

Gospel singer Tonex is probably the only who had the guts to come out and be honest.

But my rant is two-fold.

I know some folks out there are going to use this moment to bring up Obama aligning with McClurkin in 2007  to garner votes.

And to do so would be a mistake.

Certainly there is a point to be made about the Obama/McClurkin past allegiance, but I am willing to bet that while everyone is going to be so eager to make that point, the fact that McClurkin has just specifically harmed the well-being of  young lgbts of color will be obscured.

To me as a gay man of color, that's a real problem.

We will get angry because we have felt the brush of McClurkin's slap. Are we going to forget those young lgbts of color who have felt the full sting of it?

Who is going to be there to hold up their heads in the face of such an ugly onslaught?

Who is going to be there to tell them that McClurkin is a self-hating so-and-so who, despite his lovely voice and popularity, is a little more "broken" than he would like to realize and that he has absolutely no business passing judgement on the lives of people he doesn't even know.

Something needs to be said to these young lgbts of color because nine times out of ten, they don't have access to support networks like GLSEN and no one such as Dan Savage or Michelangelo Signorile is writing about them or their needs.

Will they be ignored again even in the middle of this situation in which they are potentially the most hurt?

Let's not get so caught up in our righteous indignation that we forget about these young folks. If we do, expect to see more Donnie McClurkins springing up like ecclesiastical weeds.

Related post:

WATCH: Donnie McClurkin Calls Gays "Vampires", Rants Against Tonex and Gay Youth at COGIC

The black community is phony and hypocritical when it comes to lgbt issues



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Amazes me....
...that in 2009 People / sheeple EAT this shit up.....how hateful can this be?  This is supposed to be christian?  What a Asshole this guy is/ someone needs to follwo him where ver he goes / and OUT HIM with 8 x 10 glosses doin' the Down Low - which we know he is....HOW DO THESE PEOPLE LOOK AT THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR???    

Did you see that auditorium?
It wasn't really full. That gives me hope. Hopefully, people are starting to realize that McClurkin is just a self-hating bigot who doesn't deserve that kind of attention.

Act on Principles and make equality happen.  

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Vampires?
In this "Twilight" world where paranormal romance is the hottest thing, does comparing gays to vampires seem like a good idea to you?

"Joooooin ussss...we're sexy as all get-out. And did you see Edward drives a Volvo? Gay vamps, kids. We'll get you laid."

Laura


Vampires = sex
He has a sex obsession, but cannot actually say that he has a sex obsession. So, his obsession must be sublimated into something that exemplifies the perceived evils of sex and the dangers of "losing ones bodily fluids."

Or maybe he just has a sucking fetish.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt


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Yes, QUEER VAMPIRES!
That will REALLY encourage the kids to come out! They'll make those mopey Twilight vamps look boring. ;-)

Act on Principles and make equality happen.  

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Vampire lesbians...
...of Sodom! (Charles Busch, where are you when we need you?)

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I always think Sarandon and Deneuve when Lesbian Vampires are...
...mentioned. The 1980 movie, The Hunger, had perchance the most erotic Lesbian scene ever filmed

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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The Hunger
I watched The Hunger and, really, it didn't do anything for me.  For all the hype, it's not as hot as other scenes I've seen since then.

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." - Dorothy Parker

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Isn't that the name of a porn flick?
If not, then it should be!  

"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy

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Miss Rough Sex Donnie has a lotta of nerve
About the young folks Alvin...

They go to these churches to be supported. And then to have to put up with bigotry coming from this b*tch.

You'd think that people would remember that Miss Donnie was a Dubya supporter.

But no...it's that selective memory loss that too much of the black straight (presumably) churchified community seems to be infested with.


Why the hell did "Fierce Advocate" Obama...
Ever use this guy on his campaign? He should issue an apology today with this coming out, along with every other politician who's ever used Donnie McClurkin to win over voters. All he's doing now is endangering LGBTQ youth with his H8ful bombast. This is why the suicide rate is 4 times higher for LGBTQ teens.

Act on Principles and make equality happen.  

I assume that question is rhetorical, right?


Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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And exactly what LGBTQ youth are
most affected this?

(I'm not saying that Mormon, Catholic, and evangelical youth don't go through the same thing...they do)

Trust me, having been one of those youth who had to go through hell in both the black community and (to a much lesser degree in those days) the gay community, it's the black and brown kids that go through it the most.

And nowadays, if and when they do reach the (mostly white) gay community because they have no other place to go...oh, there goes the fuckin' neighborhood. These kids around the center are committing crimes! And whatnot.


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"I know some folks out there...."
....are going to use this moment to bring up Obama aligning with McClurkin in 2007  to garner votes. And to do so would be a mistake."

I don't agree, so I'm going to bring it up anyway.

Obama's kissup to Donnie McClurkin was a warning sign that way too many of the now-disenchanted Obama supporters should have paid more attention to. Bringing it up simply embarrasses all the wrong people.


Why Alvin said that...
Becausenullnullthat is all that we would focus on. What about those LGBT youth of color that will bear the brunt of McClurkin's bigoted words in their ethnic communities?

If Chicago (and New York, for that matter) is any indication, all that "the gay community" wants to do is to lock those youth up and get them off of "their" streets.  


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This is sadly true...
the underlying message would be lost.

IMHO, the best solution is better promotion of LGBT affirming black churches and community centers. They do exist they just do not get much attention.

LGBT youth of color will find that their best support will come from other LGBT affirming people of color. They are the most likely to both understand the unique cultural situations that they must contend with, while showing some sympathy and desire to help them dealing with their sexuality.



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Let me extend this a little bit
To all of those LGBT (of whatever color) who have gone through this...or even (and maybe especially) those that are still religious (but in an affirming church).

I remember while working in Maine that we had a gay kid who came to phone bank with us whose mother was Mormon. I really felt for that kid; he talked a little about the arguments that he had with his mother regarding Question 1. Eventually, he said that he convinced his mother to vote No but considering the experience of another Blender regarding Proposition 8, I can't help but wonder.


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All I can say is "EWWW, glad he is an ex-gay"
I wouldn't want him associated with anything in our movement.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

I hope that's just sarcasm...
because its not helpful

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Oh, puh-lease Miss Geek
but you want to be like Miss Donnie...if only your rational mind would allow you to go for the ex-gay shit in the churches...

Other than that, I see not too much of a difference between you and Miss Donnie as far as self-hatred goes.


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She Doth Protest Too Much Doesn't She?
Someone should show Ms. McClurkin that she ain't all dat butch.  I mean, did you see her pinky?  Puhleeze, sistah!  Accept it honey.  You're a "homosexual," whether you like it or not so stop frontin for dem dollarz.  How sad!  Who can say that the black church is not homophobic?  Did you see the many thousands of attendees cheering as Ms. I-ain't-no-homosexual-no-mo cuz Jeesuusss saved me.  Drama queen!    

If this is who I think it is
then I'll allow this...

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LOL..
Hi Chitown Kev.  It's yours truly!  :=)  

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What's up, nakhone?
Of course, the drama of it all is one of my favorite things about the black church to this very day. You can't help but to be a drama queen coming from there.

Truth be told, I'm no exception to that, either.

Oh, and Miss Rough Sex Donnie is frontin'. And that gospel singer named after one of the biggest gay icons of all time, Miss Dietrick "I ain't got a sissy bone in my body" Haddon (I still can't get over the fact that she actually said that)...she's frontin' too.

But you don't need to hurt other people (especially kids) while you're doing that. That's where my outrage comes in.

Someone needs to do a sting operation on Miss Donnie, STAT!


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it's who I think it is too


"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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In the end...
Depression always wins.  It's only a matter of time Donnie.

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." ~God

Who the hell could sit through THREE videos of this sh*t?
F*ck em, I shut off the first one.

He is a lying piece of drek, and we all know he'll be busted with some guy eventually, he is a Ted Haggard time-bomb waiting to happen.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


McClurkin's loathing for GLBT folks is in direct proportion to his admiration for Obama and "gawd's in the mix".


The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.

Don't enlist. Don't fight. Don't translate.  


Femme Lesbian here
and I will resolutely and absolutely deny to Mr McClurkin any right to try to pigeonhole, to categorise or to otherwise define me in a way as to fit me into a neat stereotype to somehow reduce me to two dimensional and therby strip me of my humanity

The Christian Right is obviously on the offensive..
They say that the best defense is a good offense, so perchane we ought finally consider being offensive as it is possible to be

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


As much as I hate spors and war analogies
I agree wholeheartedly, and say so.

Unfortunately, people confuse tactical offensiveness with discourteous offensiveness.

And, tactically, we need to stop thinking about what we want and focus on how our goals meet the goals of the average person out there.

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My dad has one of this asshole's CDs
And I "accidentally" took it out and "accidentally" spilled honey all over it and then "accidentally" stuck it to a coaster where I "accidentally" put my frappacino.

What? It was an accident! :P

Can't wait to see what "accident" befalls that TD Jakes CD he has. Hmmm....

"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy


it was an act of the goddess
sh*t happens

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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Exactly!
Nature is a...wild thing.

"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy

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Forget What Donnie Says
What Donnie says is irrelevant!  If being gay is right and you being a gay person feels that its ok and you enjoy church, well you must enjoy reading the Bible right???  If you enjoy reading the Bible, then what does it say about being gay.  Forget what Donnie says, what does the Bible say about gay activity?  

Don't be offended by anything Donnie says, get offended by what the Bible says.  If the Bible says its ok to be gay then there should be no condemnation and judging from so called Christians.  But if the Bible has something different to say about being gay then you really should feel condemned and judged by the Bible not by people unless you feel like the Bible is just another book.  

It's all about personal conviction that is attained from truths in the Bible or personal conviction based on thinking that the Bible is false because your feelings of being gay are stronger than your belief in what the Bible says.  Who is right, you or the Bible?    sams club tires


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