Oklahoma pol to file bill to counter fed hate crimes law -- or else necrophilia will be protected

..and here is the latest from GEORGIA.. at least now it is a HATE CRIME.

http://tinyurl.com/y8cm84l
This 10th Grade Georgia Teacher Ordered a Hit on a "Gay" Student?

From the Are You F-ing Kidding Me Dept.: "Randolph Forde, a 10th-grade teacher at Mundy's Mill High School in Clayton County [Georgia], is accused of trying to persuade another student to kill a 16-year-old boy. Forde was charged after, officers said, he held up a piece of paper with the alleged victim's name on it saying he had a hit on him. The student's mother said her son came home frightened when he found out. ... Forde was arrested and faces making terroristic threats charges. He could lose his job. His attorney told Jones that Forde was joking and never gave anyone a name." It all began when Forde reportedly asked the student if he was a homo. And we thought we had to worry about anti-gay bullying from other students. Forde, released on $10,000 bond, remains on administration leave.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:03:10 PM CST

ah you have it up below. But I feel like posting the Puerto Rico one here too.

... possibly we should just send them to this 'persons' office.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:05:10 PM CST

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He LOOKS Like A Necrophile

and he also looks like he still lives with his mother.

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by: bluegrassfool @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:11:32 PM CST

No...

He looks like...
There but for a tan...and tie (and sexual orientation???)

Hell - even their suits look alike.

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:49:26 PM CST

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LOL!

LOL OMG the FIRST person I thought he looked like was Charlie Crist too!

But Charlie Crist with a twist of Norman Bates, or Ed Gein.

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by: bluegrassfool @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:55:58 PM CST

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And a tan

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" (or non) is so 2006.

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by: Denabeth @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 13:08:00 PM CST

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Lord Crist Almighty!

The second coming!

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by: coram nobis @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 14:34:34 PM CST

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My first thought was...

"what an obvious closet case".

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 18:28:39 PM CST

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Same here, without rules making queers look bad, he might pop right out of the closet

Hopefully someone will out him soon enough, seems to be the standard timeline for these things.  

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by: Scott_NC @ Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 03:31:27 AM CST

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He doesn't look like a necrophile to me.

More like a corpse.  Which, politically, is what he ought to become, soon, very soon.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:25:44 PM CST

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It's interesting,

you never hear these bigots talking about repealing hate crimes protection for religion.  Apparently they are the only worthy "special class of people".  If hate crimes legislation is unconstitutional, it must be abolished altogether.  

I don't think "Mr. Rogers" Russell will include that in his bill...

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by: brendaaliana @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:14:21 PM CST

Seriously?

This is what happens when public funding for mental health care is cut. Instead of being properly medicated and treated, the patients are given a public forum and elected to office.  

These people make my brain hurt. Seriously.

And while we're on the subject of mental health, the fact that these folks are so obsessed with necrophilia and bestiality speaks volumes.

"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows." - Frank Herbert, DUNE

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by: Voenixrising @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:24:16 PM CST

Why is it always a Rethuglican?

Because they were beat as children.  It has been scientifically proven that children who are beaten have lower IQs than those who aren't.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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by: Mykelb @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:07:07 PM CST

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Check your hypothesis.

What about Dems who were beaten as children?  Independents?  Progressives?  Readers and contributors on this very blog?  Your comment suggests that you were not beaten as a child.  How fortunate.  There are survivors all around you, if you would only see.

Listen to your fairy Godmother, my dear: you will go to the ball.

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by: 555catnap @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 21:00:50 PM CST

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a special class of people

State Sen. Steve Russell, R-Oklahoma City would be leading the cause to create a special class of people if he had a gay child who had been murdered in the fashion of Jorge Steven Lopez Mercado.

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by: Guy in SF @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:43:35 PM CST

A poster child for the elimination of 'speech or debate' immunity

"Sexual orientation is a very vague word that could be extended to extremes like necrophilia."

Asshattery also is a very vague word that could should be extended to extremes such as 'illiterates (and those devoid of math skills; when last I checked, "sexual orientation" is TWO words) elected to public office' and 'public officeholders who blatantly lie about legislation'

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:45:28 PM CST

This bozo is grandstanding

Whenever a state law conflicts with a federal law, the federal law takes precendence.  No exceptions.

And if he's any kind of competent lawyer and/or legistlator, he knows it.

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by: Phil @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:54:13 PM CST

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Not necessarily...

I did read where in the instance where the state punishment is more severe than the federal, it takes priority.

Listen to "TransTalk" every Monday from 4-5pm ET on http://www.falconradio.org beginning January 11th!

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by: Marlene @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 20:57:38 PM CST

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Maybe someone should send him a copy of the

APA's dictionary so he can look up the phrase sexual orientation.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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by: Mykelb @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:09:43 PM CST

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And also a copy of the APA's article "Being Gay is Just as Healthy

as Being Straight"  at http://www.psychologymatters.o...

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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by: Mykelb @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:11:38 PM CST

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Nevermind, just email it to him from here

What Is Sexual Orientation?

Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female), and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).

Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexuality to exclusive homosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional, and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).

Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Individuals may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.-- Thomas Jefferson

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by: Mykelb @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:15:24 PM CST

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I just moved to the Oklahoma City area

Goddess help me if I'm living in his district.

o_O

Dena

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" (or non) is so 2006.

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by: Denabeth @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 12:48:23 PM CST

run do not walk to the nearest Native American reservation

They at least are covered by Federal Laws.

Sitting in rural Louisiana where White Supremists have a swath right up the middle of the state, just north of Baton Rouge, I fully appreciate living in HELL.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 16:39:16 PM CST

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Oklahoma: Provincetown of Necrophiles?

Could we sell this idea?

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 13:05:07 PM CST

I get so tirred of the LOSER welfare states

not namiing names, but it rhymes with SCHMOKLAHOMA.

Wish they'd LEAVE the Union.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 13:13:57 PM CST

So THAT'S what they mean by "necking!"

My, my, what do these people think of in their spare time! Necrophilia? Let me guess, he wants to keep coroners from marrying.

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by: coram nobis @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 14:35:41 PM CST

Only compared to F*CKING an OKIE, do dead people seem SEXIER

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:06:56 PM CST

I believe

South Carolina tried "nullifying" federal laws once upon a time.  And if memory serves, it didn't work out too well for them.  But I assume Oklahoma schools don't teach about anything as unAmerican as the Civil War (always assuming Steve wasn't hoam skooled).

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 15:31:49 PM CST

My letter to Mr. Russell

Having read your statement on the recent passage of the S. 909 which expanded long existing hate crimes law included in Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, it seems you are confused.  I understand you have lots to do there in OK, and probably don't have time to read existing federal statutes, let alone every new addition made to existing law, so I'd like to share a few handy resource tools with you.

http://www.thomas.loc.gov is a great resource. A good place to visit  before commenting on legislation coming before the house and senate.  Here you can read the actual text of legislation being voted on, thus avoiding embarrassing public statements which include glaring factual errors .  It also has a handy section that can help supplement the scanty public school education regarding how our system of government works here in the U.S., historical documents , as well as links to a wide variety of resources from the library of congress.    The specific law governing hate crimes can be found here - http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpo...   It is relatively brief and easy to read.

Once a bill has been passed by the federal government, a handy place to familiarize yourself with factual information regarding the United States Code is http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/  .  This can clear up any questions one might have regarding the actual text of the legal code enacted by the government here in the U.S., again, avoiding unnecessary gaffs which could misinform your constituents as well as undermine your credibility.

Another good basic overview of how things work in the U.S.   http://www.schoolhouserock.tv/...

Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Your Fellow American
Susan L. Jeffers

folk the war

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by: suejeffers @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 16:05:41 PM CST

School House Rock FTW!

I love this, Susan!  It was so very polite and educational too. LOL

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by: callie @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 16:23:45 PM CST

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Same Old Hypocrisy

So if he wants to erroneously allege that the bill can be extended to something that if enacted is illegal, how about this ...... Was religion defined in the previous hate crimes bill? I don't think so, so I guess I can interpret that to mean that it allows those who claim to be following their "religion" to be protected in uhh I don't know human sacrifice, but that's not what the bill says at all does it?  So why would any addition to the hate crimes bill condone illegal acts? It doesn't it didn't do it by not defining religion nor does it do it by not defining sexual orientation.  GEEZ!

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by: Neequa @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 16:14:55 PM CST

"Very vague term..."

Except when it is explicitly defined in the law.  Which it is.  So, has he:

1. Not read it,

2. Been unable to understand the very plain wording of the bill,

OR

3. Just lied through his damned teeth?

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by: lw @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 19:14:06 PM CST

4. All of the ABOVE

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 20:04:44 PM CST

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Note: I am a pacifist and disagree with violence against anyone.

Does this assclown not realize that by nullifying the law, as if Oklahoma could do that, he has a better chance of doing what he accuses the law of doing? Let's imagine there is no hate crimes law in Oklahoma. A Christian minister says some anti-gay stuff in church every Sunday, and some gay guys have had enough of it and throw a brick through the nice stained-glass window, and there's a rainbow flag sticker on it, leaving little doubt as to who did it. But it's not any different than any other crime, not meant to intimidate the minister into keeping quiet about his views. It was just simple vandalism. Just some kids. What happens when it escalates? Each time is just a discrete incidence of graffiti, a pastor hurt...

Again, I would not agree with LGBT people doing this to Christians. I just think this asshat needs to realize that a law that is good for the goose is good for the ganderqueer.  

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by: one jewish dyke @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 22:26:18 PM CST

A teaching moment : Oklahoma style

Mommy, what's necrophilia? A creepy guy in a suit is talking about it.


Cisgender. Because "Genetic" (or non) is so 2006.

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by: Denabeth @ Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 10:44:47 AM CST