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Patrick Kennedy refused communion; 90-year-old grandmother stops donating to Catholic Church

by: Pam Spaulding

Sun Nov 22, 2009 at 18:00:00 PM EST


It was just revealed in a NYT report that in 2007, Rep. Patrick Kennedy was told to stop receiving Communion by a Rhode Island bishop because of the congressman's public stance on "moral issues."

Bishop Thomas Tobin divulged details of his confidential exchange with Kennedy after the Democratic lawmaker told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin had instructed him not to receive Communion. The two men have clashed repeatedly in the past few weeks over abortion.

...''The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion,'' Kennedy told the paper in an interview conducted Friday.

Kennedy said the bishop had explained the penalty by telling him ''that I am not a good practicing Catholic because of the positions that I've taken as a public official,'' particularly on abortion.

Now faith is supposed to be, in my mind, a private matter, and once church crosses over into state, as the Church has, all bets are off.

''While I greatly respect the Catholic Church and its leaders, like many Rhode Islanders, the fact that I disagree with the hierarchy of the church on some issues does not make me any less of a Catholic,'' Kennedy wrote in a letter to Tobin, agreeing to a sitdown. ''I embrace my faith which acknowledges the existence of an imperfect humanity.''

Dovetailing with the above news is an email I received from a Blender yesterday. It shows you how the Catholic Church's alliance with religious anti-gay denominations has brought many of the faithful flock to this turning point.

Cutting the head off the snake:

The time has come to cut the head from the snake. We all have friends and relatives who attend churches and organizations who are opposed to LGBT Equality. I think the best way we can combat these groups is to take away the money.

My 90 year old Grandmother has been a practicing Catholic all her life. We have a very good relationship and she is very supportive of my partner and me. She attends Mass every Sunday. I would not dream of asking her stop.

She has decided that she will still attend Mass every Sunday but will no longer financially support the Catholic Church. When the collection plate is passed she now puts in an envelope that contains a message that due to the "church's" inhumane views regarding LGBT Equality and Civil Rights, that the money she would have contributed to the church has been sent instead to a LGBT Equality organization. You see, she would not dream of supporting groups like the Klu Klux Klan, the Aryan Brotherhood, or the Westboro Baptist Church run by Fred Phelps. In that regard, I spoke to her that supporting the Catholic Diocese is, in my opinion, similar to providing monetary support to those organizations. I explained that I personally found that the Catholic church, by their intolerance of LGBT Equality and huge donations to groups like the NOM, is essentially similar to providing monetary support to a group that supports the KKK, et al.

Now, I understand that many would say that we don't have the right to tell friends and family how to live their lives or for that matter what to believe theologically. That said, personally, I believe that THEY neither own the right to tell us whom to love.

I do feel we have the right to ask them not to contribute to Churches and Organizations who would deny us our Civil Rights or Equality. By explaining our position, opening a dialogue, sharing our concerns, do we bring the opportunity to change a mind one person at a time. By explaining in withholding financial support, we find that we can 'cut the head off the snake.

The homegrown holy war is picking up more steam...if this is where the church wants to go, it's risking $upport and rekindling outright hostility as it beds down with evangelicals who only a short time ago didn't consider them Christians. Down the dark path we go. Madness -- and grief -- for those who have pushed faith into the public square to claim victimhood even as it funds bigotry.

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They'res only two words Patrick Kennedy needs to say to the RCC...
F*CK and YOU. I would also suggest he needs to find a new church which won't do this 'my way or the highway' bullshit. It's times like these I thank the Goddess I'm not a Catholic.  

TAX THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!
If you function as a political entity then you must pay the price.

As for Patrick Kennedy -- now's the time to embrace your Inner Athiest.  


It's true...
Religion poisons everything.

Carry the fire. - Paul Kantner

Eucharistic Extortion
Plain and simple.

typo?
Pam, your post says 1997, but the article says 2007 unless I read it wrong. There was a different bishop in charge in RI back in 1997.

Bishop Tobin is one of the most arrogant people whom I have ever heard of, and that is saying a lot. I wish some reporter could get him on the record with his opinion about our rotten governor vetoing the funeral rights bill. I'm almost certain that Tobin supports the governor's action but won't say so publicly after seeing the grief that the governor took for it. Tobin can dish it out, but he can't take it.


What was it that Jesus fellow said?
Something about what you do to the least of mine, you also do to me?

Also, I went through my red letter KJV bible.

Didn't find a word from Jesus about hating on the the gays.

So why DO "Christ"ians have this bugaboo?

'tis a puzzlement to this happy not gay hating straight atheist.

That Blender's grandma is far more of a Christian than the Pope and his crowd.


Isn't it disturbing...
that the name of a man famed for preaching love has, through the actions of those who claim to be his followers, become a by-word for hate?

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.


[ Parent ]
Jesus has become the enemy
im the hands of his followers--whenever i see a jesus fish on the back of a vehicle, I won't park near them in my car with the rainbow "I kiss girls" sticker on it

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

[ Parent ]
Perhaps you should leave a windshield wiper note
explaining the history of that symbol and why it should properly be displayed vertically...my guess is they'd remove it before the day is done.

[ Parent ]
Good On Gramma.
Oh, to be able to add a "Closed to the RCC" sign to another GayTM...

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"Imperfect"
This is what I hate about religion and politics.  His father Teddy sent a letter to Pope Ratz Ass to pray and forgive him of his sins (aka, Mary Jo, voting for women's right to choose and gay marriage).  The letter was delivered to the Pope by President Obama.  I agree with the above blender, Patrick should just say "fuck you" and distance himself from that archaic hokus pokus.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

from what I read
Ted didn't explicitly state what his sins were. It wasn't confession. He just asked for forgiveness for his sins. If he confessed privately to a priest before he died, the priest is honoring his vow of confidentiality.

Of course, there could be more to the letter than what I can find online. But I found no mention of reproductive rights or LGBT rights.  


[ Parent ]
In the eyes of the church
His sins according to the Catholic Church are those I mentioned and go against their teachings whether he mentioned them or not.  They have the last say over the soul at death and who can communicate with the "holy spirit" through a communion of eating flesh and drinking blood.  A Sunday morning cannibalistic ritual.  A  theocracy can never be a democracy no matter how they interpret their rights under the Constitution.  

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

[ Parent ]
erase
There is a billboard on the edge of my town that reads "Abortion is NEVER an option".  I feel like erasing the word never from it.  When the mother of four who need her care faces a birth that endangers her life - they're saying no option.  When a young girl is raped, perhaps incestuously - no option?  It's just STUPID the way they try to simplify such a personal and complex issue.
And the Catholic church promulgates many of these "bad attitudes".  Saying they'll withhold charities in the District of Columbia if gays get rights there is an example of the downright evil mandates.  

Honestly,
Shouldn't these groups be taxed? Maybe we should go on the offense for a change, forget the marriage fight and make a serious push for that??  It's their right to participate in the political process, unless they're tax-exempt organizations not supposed to engage in any political activity at all.

I think the representative actually has a case...
So many people assume that just because a non-profit organization gets political they are violating their IRS non-profit status but that is simply not true. However, what the statutes do point out is that action taken in support or against a particular poitical candidate is patently illegal. To deny all catholics who support choice would be political but not illegal. But to specifically deny communion to a particular representative such as Mr. Kennedy or to a particular candidate is very much against the rules of engagement.

Always thinking about it...

they do endorse political candidates
Search Google for many examples. I even recall reading that Rich Warren's Church openly endorsed Bush in 2004. The issue here isn't the law, it's the fact that no one, even politicians is willing to touch these groups. That's the bottom line.

[ Parent ]
Papi Ratzi doesn't want to get in a p*ssing contest with Kennedys in America
I'd start with kicking every Vatican diplomat out of the country, and bring our representive OUT of the Vatican.
Then I'd start yanking liquor licenses from every Knights of Columbus Halls which are all rented for weddings, and graduations. Without a liquor license they are NOTHING.
Then recind every BINGO parlors gambling license.
Then have non Catholic IRS agents go through ALL their books.
Kennedy's know every alcoholic Cardinal and Bishop and those with mistresses. They also can remove all donations to restore cathedrals who's roofs are collapsing or whose plumbing and electrical work wouldn't be up to code.
The final death knell would be to remove every religion's tax exempt status.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


spiritual abuse
Spiritual abuse is a bigger issue here than tax breaks and withholding contributions. What the Bishop is saying is that he can withhold God's grace, as mediated through sacraments, from lay persons who's political views do not conform to church teaching.

Lots of people identify as "recovering Catholics." Like being alcoholic, it lasts a lifetime. To be told by your clergy that you may not take communion because you are having incorrect thoughts is a complete mind f*ck.

If you are not Roman Catholic, this might not seem like a big deal. But it is. The church teaches that God's grace comes to believers through the holy sacraments. The Church and Her Hierarchy are supreme gatekeepers in this sense.

The Reformation was all about saying no to the idea that a human institution could contain and dispense the grace of God. But if you are still in the thought system of Catholicism, you have not been taught that you can receive God's grace through faith. Period. You still need the church hierarchy as an authority in your life.

If you have been indoctrinated for a lifetime as a Catholic, there is always a part of you that wonders "what if the Church is right?" A lot of people hedge their bets by continuing to participate, just in case.

Plenty of Catholics are cultural not dogmatic believers, especially  in the United States. I am wondering when these people who participate for the social club perks will wake up to the abuse, hypocrisy, manipulation and hate in their beloved church.


I was raised Catholic
and I NEVER wonder if the church is right.  Not about choice, not about contraception, not about LGBT rights, not about much of anything.  (And the few things they do manage to get right--capital punishment, labeling our invasion of Iraq an unjust war--don't really seem to matter to them very much.)  It would be hard to think of a more wrong-headed institution this side of the Taliban.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
You are strong indeed
Congrats on your safe escape from the madness.  

[ Parent ]
Kennedy's can also state that American politicians are being singled out
Show every church in Canada, Spain, Belgium where abortions and gay marriage is legal and which politicians are they denying communion? Which adoption agencies did they close, which homeless shelters aren't they feeding? Should Brazil go forward recognising same sex marriages, that would be almost 1/3rd of Latin america's Catholics in opposition to Rome.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


I personally think Patrick Kennedy...
Will tell the bishop to take that fucking cracker and shove it up his ass. It's shit like this that makes me think religious tax exemptions are on borrowed time. The church pulls crap like this and makes themselves look like..well, they ARE bullies. And-Petey's RIGHT-if that happens, the Kennedys will declare war on the Church, and that's something Papa Nazi doesn't want. That family knows were all the bones are buried in the RCC.  

[ Parent ]
Don't forget the Mormons!


Dr Ratzinger does not like the Kennedys
he reversed a Kennedy family annullment.
Sure sign of displeasure,
and basically he holds america and american politics in contempt.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

Thomas Tobin and his ilk are really ones to talk
First of all, I'd like to point out that "Bishop" Tobin basically decided to throw confidentiality to the winds in order to score points with the conservative Catholics and others. So much for "seal of the confessional" and all that, eh? If "bishop" Tobin ends up in court for any reason, I hope opposing counsel remembers his actions here.

Second, this is the same church that only seems to care about the "baaaaabies" before they're born. After that, they're on their own. Ok not to give the born good health care, ok to kill them in wars, ok to treat half of them (us women) like we're pariahs because we can't "image Jesus" and so on and so forth, ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

Finally (but not really, you all can add more indictments of this "bishop"), a high official of an international organization that has been involved in covering up sexual assault on a massive by its employees for literally decades really has the nerve to talk.


Tobin Must Go
I've been watching this little pissing war between Kennedy and Tobin for some time now. As a RI'er and ardent fighter for full equality I wish the Bishop would keep to matters of the church.

I really want to see the Roman Catholic church taxed. If it wants to play in the political field, let it pay the price.  


Tobin's own weak spot
He has welcomed the scandal-ridden Legionaries of Christ to work in his diocese, this after revelations of the late Marcial Maciel's sexual abuse of seminary students and revelations of several hidden relationships with women in which he fathered children.

Two quick quotes
from Nietzsche:

Morality is the best of all devices for leading mankind by the nose.

The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.

He wasn't talking specifically about the Catholic church, but they sure seem relevant, don't they?

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


and the church is tax exempt?
This is a blatant attempt to influence a politician.  To deny him communion and to tell priests to do so is to put pressure on him so as to influence his public policy stance.  This goes against everything that supposedly separates church and state.  If this is true why has Kennedy followed it to the next logical step?  

Grow some principles, Rep. Kennedy
Tell the "Bishop" to shove it up his nose, and begin attending services at an inclusive, affirming Episcopal diocese.

FWIW, when I challenged the-woman-who-raised-me to stand by her claims of love and inclusion, to stop paying tithing to her mormon church because it funded hate speech and gay bashing by ballot box, she turned away and hasn't spoken to me since. Good. I'd rather know for sure whose side she's on instead of listening to her continued lies. Remember kids, we queer folks are not really human, so lying to us isn't really lying. And if it's lying for the sake of defending the church, it's not really lying, either.

Talk is cheap. The actions to back it up are what matters.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


Keori sorry the woman who raised you hurt you so
It's one thing to say "GOOD, I'd rather know."
It doesn't alter the betrayal.

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by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
They give communion to everyone at the Episcopal Church
They offered it to me at St. Margaret's in Dupont Circle when I was there for an interfaith service. I said I was wasn't Christian, and the woman giving it (it was a long time ago; I no longer remember whether she was a priest or a layperson) told me that God's grace was for everyone. I told her that my rabbi probably wouldn't approve, and she laughed and moved on. I was also offered communion at an Episcopal church somewhere in upper NW when I went for a christening of a child with two mothers. They bring communion to you in the Episcopal church, so if you're not taking it you don't have to stay at your seat and be noticed when everyone else goes up.

[ Parent ]
I've had two Catholic-raised girlfriends.
One who was already practicing Judaism when I met her, one who still considered herself a practicing Catholic despite not having been to church even on Christmas or Easter in two years. Neither of them could completely get past the idea that there was something wrong with being gay, even though both had tried to live straight and had been absolutely miserable, one in a failed marriage. It's really hard to watch someone try to reconcile what she has been told since childhood with what her heart is telling her, especially when her family is lukewarm at best (and some members hostile but passive-aggressive) because they have also been raised in the gay-is-wrong school of thought. It's so sad that something that is supposed to be about love ends up hurting so many people.  

Catholocism is the CRACK of religions
I've known more gay men who just can't pull away from a church which actively detests them.
Bells and smells seem the big drawing point.
My hubby was raised Catholic and still has his beliefs set by their teachings, but hasn't attended a Mass or financially supported a church since before we met 7 years ago. But even he and his sisters (two were nuns) don't like this pope.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Bells and smells...
plus all the lovely candles, all the S&M imagery and those fabulous satin dresses vestments.  I don't understand how anyone can take a good look at a Catholic Mass and not realize instantly how gay the whole enterprise is.  (But not in a good way, of course.)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
No gayer than some black churches, really...
One thing that has even attracted me to the Catholics, though, is this...veneer of being educated (I mean, most of my background is with the Jesuits and most of the priests that I have known were really, really educated).


[ Parent ]
This would not bother me...
so much if they were atleast CONSISTENT in their excommunication.

Last I checked, the Pope and the Vatican had SERIOUS issues with both of Americas wars. More importantly, the Catholic Church has been very progressive on the role of states in addressing poverty issues. In fact, collectively, the church has had more to say about war and poverty than they've ever said about abortion or homosexuality

Yet is seems that abortion and sexuality are the ONLY issues that rile up the church in the US. They have been totally MIA on universal health care...something that I know for a fact that the Vatican supports. They would never have threatended those Republicans who supported the Iraq war...yet this is this is what they choose as their Waterloo.

In the US, religion is hot the problem. Hypocritical practicioners is the problem.


Don't forget the death penalty
The Church is also progressive on that issue. At least one could say that they are consistent on the pro-life issue (anti-abortion, anti-death penalty).

Pope John Paul II was quite known for his anti-death penalty position, by the way. (I think he got on Clinton's and Bush 43's case about the death penalty) Maybe the reason that abortion and sexuality is all that we hear about has less to with the US RCC (although that's a part of it) and more to do with the leadership in Rome.


[ Parent ]
Health care?
My main contact with the Catholic church these days is their cable channel EWTN.  The various nuns, priests, bishops and obvious closet cases among the laity there have been fulminating vehemently against health care reform since the issue first came up in the campaign last year.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


[ Parent ]
Oh, Geek is right about health care
This from 1994.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07...

Now if the RCC is campaigning against any and all health care reform (as opposed to the abortion provisions) then that gose against the stated political positions of the RCC for generations. Which gets back to...the current leadership in Rome.


[ Parent ]
The pope
has serious issues with both American wars? When? AFAIK, he has made some mild comments, some oblique criticism, nothing more.

[ Parent ]
Shut off Faith-Based Initiatives, period.
I've leaned this way for a long time but after the Manhattan Initiative and now this, some churches cannot be trusted.

I say this with some sadness, as there are churches that do fine work in a non-discriminatory way with those that are less fortunate. But there are also those churches and religious organizations that make no bones about the fact that it fully intends to discriminate against American citizens.

Which is their right, I suppose. But I don't want those organizations to receive any of my tax dollars.


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