Condemnation For Buju Banton's Grammy Nod

Why do we always play nice ?

I think it's time for the GLBT "community" to start being a great deal more aggressive about what we demand, and that's equality.

If he were singing about "Jews", "Whites" or ANYBODY else, it would not be tolerated.  But lets face it, we are the only scapegoat left that it's OK to fuck with.

= equality isn't free =

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by: NVTodd @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 20:47:53 PM CST

No there are plenty others

They're just not paid attention to as often.

"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy

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by: Aspasia @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 01:10:54 AM CST

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Posters of Buju leaving a bathhouse

courtesy of photoshop and posted all over Kingston might just get him to see the light....after mobs come after him

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 16:35:17 PM CST

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I hope he's BOOED out of the grammys

If he wins, I'd want the audience to get up and leave.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 20:48:17 PM CST

boycott

This compels a boycott as much as anything imaginable.   And not just a boycott but a picket line style protest.  The hideous nature of this man's art should be denounced in no uncertain terms.   To recognize it with a nomination is inappropriate.  Jah'll hear me !!!!   Jah is Love not Hate !!

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by: Passionforprog @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 20:51:19 PM CST

If we could find the advertisers of the grammy' s we could start telling them to pull out

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 20:58:57 PM CST

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Exactly...

Make sure they understand the hatred they are supporting with their sponsorship, and that it will be made well known in America!!!!!

Hate stops a beating heart.

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by: KarenS @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 23:05:05 PM CST

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Grammy Awards Sponsors

Here: http://www.grammy.com/Sponsors/


"Oh, I thought you meant a specific plan. With maps and stuff." -Buffy

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by: Aspasia @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 01:17:38 AM CST

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"The tragedy of love is indifference." - W. Somerset Maugham.

As painful, even gutwrenching each of our defeats are in direct battle for not just our equality but our dignity...NYC...Maine...California...sometimes I think these instances of passive bigotry, indifference, actually, to our oppressors who strut the earth with ultimate impunity, is more damaging still.

Eminem has a new song out in which the written lyrics don't read "faggot" but, spoken, they do.

Sorry Lance, Mr. Lambert and Aiken ain't gonna make it They get so mad, when I call them both fake it's....

Not to ignore:

I lashed at the doctor in my last operation
Shoved the weiner snitzel up his ass

Where's GLAAD? Is MTV playing it...just as they MADE HIM a star...all the while taking bows for how gay-friendly they are while taking cash from pimping homohaters? Last time I looked, a couple of years ago, you could buy Buju downloads through MTV's site.

Is David Mixner right? Is it going to take civil disobedience for mainstream society to take us seriously...to think BEFORE they, say, nominate a gay murder-mongering psychopath for an award?

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by: Michael Bedwell @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 20:55:02 PM CST

It's going to take civil disobedience to get anything now

because out country and this administration has written off our concern.

American Church groups along with Anglican and Catholic officials have installed Nuremberg style anti-gay laws in two countries that the US does business with. We embargoes South Africa over apartheid. We are doing nothing over the first few steps of a Final Solution for LGBT's in Africa partly incited by and funded by Americans.

We could demand an embargo or better still, begin to disrupt Ugandan and Nigerian government offices in the US and most certainly the so called churches that helped create this nightmare, chuches in the US.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 09:42:14 AM CST

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Yes WHERE is GLAAD.... oh, that's right it must have been GALA night.

"If the time isn't ripe, we have to ripen the time."
DOROTHY HEIGHT

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by: Orion45 @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 10:57:17 AM CST

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The Gala is the problem...

...GLAAD has gotten itself into the position where it depends upon the Gala to pay its bills, but now that the Gala is televised, it depends upon the kindness of studios and recording companies to allow their artists to appear. So the last thing GLAAD wants to do is offend the studios or its executives, the very people it was supposed to be watchdogging.  Talk about painting yourself into a corner.

That no one is talking about this makes me crazy.

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by: DavidinPS @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 21:36:24 PM CST

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GLAAD is dealing with another brouhaha...sad

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/...

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 11:31:02 AM CST

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Priorities?

Banton ought to be a bigger issue.

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by: CailleanMcM @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 14:15:23 PM CST

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Any LGBT person working in the music industry...

...should walk off their jobs on the day of the Grammy Awards ceremony.  Especially the support crews for the actual ceremony.

Hate stops a beating heart.

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by: KarenS @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:00:43 PM CST

...and per Rachel the LAW in UGANDA will pass.

Gays with AIDS will be HUNG!, known gays imprisioned, and if you know a gay and don't report him, you will go to jail for 3 years. It will be extraditable so UGANDAN gays cannot hide out away from Uganda.

And our State Department... is 'starting to look at it!'.

Doesn't this remind anyone in this country of the BEGINNING of the HOLOCAUST.

Further news. Obama's fathers tribe is one of the largest in the country... no wonder he is possibly a closet HOMOPHOBE???? 

"If the time isn't ripe, we have to ripen the time."
DOROTHY HEIGHT

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by: Orion45 @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:08:49 PM CST

Dear Gawd.

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by: Louise @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:10:25 PM CST

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Uganada's major exports

   http://www.ugandaexportsonline...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:22:40 PM CST

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No Escape

Agree, the fact that you could be jailed for even trying to hide gays, definitely has a Nazi Germany vibe to it.  The Obama closet homophobe comment is just nuts though.

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by: zazu @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 03:35:30 AM CST

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I didn't make it Rachel did.... e.g by association.

We have heard very little by way of condemnation from our State Department...

but they are 'looking into it' supposedly to decide if its good or bad I guess. 

"If the time isn't ripe, we have to ripen the time."
DOROTHY HEIGHT

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by: Orion45 @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 10:56:29 AM CST

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WHY is questioning Obama's real feelings "nuts"?

He opposes marriage equality in the name of "God"...so do the recognized homophobes. [While I don't recall her ever so explicitly injecting religion into the topic, the larger reason that her opposition is irrelevant is that he won; he's the one we must judge now not just by words but by deeds.]

He told Catholic media that he struggles between his belief in the Bible and our CIVIL rights every day.

His appointees have repeatedly defended DOMA and DADT in court papers ..."the law" over our equality when in CAMPAIGN promises to us he declared "equality is a moral imperative." He has even gone so far as to defend his refusal to use his Congressionally mandated powers to issue an executive order stopping gay discharges in the name of national security by declaring that the constitutionality of DADT has been decided when it has not. That can only be done by the Supreme Court and they have never ruled on in it. Just Thanksgiving week, a federal judge effectively said, "fuck you, Obama DOJ, this constitutional challenge to DADT is going to go forward whether you like it or not."

He and the DNC entirely ignored the battle for marriage equality in Maine. Their mailing to voters on key issues in the election didn't even mention it. Why?

He totally smile fucked the gullible during the campaign by letting them wet themselves by misinterpreting his comments about the states when he believes in a state's right to BAN marriage equality as much as allow it.

Obama's Office of Personnel Management has defied a federal judge's order that an employee of the court be allowed to purchase medical insurance for her female partner. Why? Would the sky fall if they'd ignored this? Would the Antigay Industry have mounted a credible attack against someone wanting medical insurance?

All of these are CHOICES and when one...regardless of what one SAYS he believes in/"supports".....chooses an action that keeps a people less than equal it is fair to question why.

Homophobia, like love, exists in degrees. Moons ago when speaking to a group of college students, I responded to a male student's insistence that he had no problem with gays this interogatory:

ME: Can I work where you work?
HIM: Yes.
ME: Can I live next to you?
HIM: Yes.
ME: Can I marry your brother?
HIM: No.
ME: You're a bigot.

Ronald Reagan wasn't actively trying to kill gays but millions are dead [cumulatively, and throughout the world] because homophobia influenced his choice to do virtually nothing for the first five years of his administration about AIDS, and too little after that.

Is Obama remotely as bad as Reagan...or even Bush? Of course not. BUT the fact remains that, despite all the hearts and flowers and Easter egg hunts, we are fundamentally as legally second class as we were when they were President.

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by: Michael Bedwell @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 12:35:35 PM CST

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Unlike Obama, Hillary Clinton never

ever publically cited her personal religious beliefs in terms of her opposition to marriage equality. She did make generalized statements about the intertwining of civic notions of marriage with religious notions of marriage-implying that there needs to be more education on the issue.

I much preferred Hillary's rhetoric on the SSM issue to Obama's.

And, of course, Hillary was not the Democratic Presidential nominee nor is she POTUS. Obama is.

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 12:50:37 PM CST

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I'm not sure I'm willing

to be quite this generous:

Ronald Reagan wasn't actively trying to kill gays

He knew that his actions would lead to widespread suffering and death, but that he would gain political points with his allies specifically for that suffering and those deaths.  He might not have been the one actually deriving sexual satisfaction from the suffering and death of gay men, but he was more than willing to play fluffer for the vicious hetero-supremacist mainstream of his party.

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by: M @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 15:12:56 PM CST

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Remotely? YES!

Face facts. He's a Trojan Horse.  

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by: David Ehrenstein @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 16:30:37 PM CST

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Good for you

"ME: Can I work where you work?
HIM: Yes.
ME: Can I live next to you?
HIM: Yes.
ME: Can I marry your brother?
HIM: No.
ME: You're a bigot."

I think you are right on. What constantly amazes me are gay people who simply refuse to go here.  It's like there is this large percentage of us who just can't think of people who think we are not equal to us as bigots. Probably because it would mean we'd have to use that word to describe Aunt Sally.  

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by: DavidinPS @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 21:45:19 PM CST

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no boycott, no boo's somebody just 'silence' him

A faggot is the thing on the back of a Mercury dime.

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by: Jessi @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:22:17 PM CST

then we'd be down on HIS level

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:23:34 PM CST

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Uh I think Jessi meant

no clapping, no boos, just a stony silence in the auditorium. NOt necessarily the violence that buju advocates against us.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, Jessi

"Any transition serious enough to alter your definition of self will require not just small adjustments in your way of living and thinking but a full-on metamorphosis."

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by: thehawke @ Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 21:40:09 PM CST

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Perhaps Bash-Back could arrange an electrical blackout

that makes broadcasting the grammys impossible

Otherwise we might have to endure a Buju Banton award acceptance speech that includes a major homophobic statement.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 13:38:17 PM CST

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Now will any of you listen to me?

I suspect not. I'm just a flake. Ignore me.

No one is free when others are oppressed!

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by: ThePhoenix @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 00:04:25 AM CST

Ignore you?

Ok!

(Does anyone know what that was about?)

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by: kimpira @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 04:56:13 AM CST

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That Rasta Got A Soul?

Sure fooled me!

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 03:02:34 AM CST

Why is he allowed in the country?

Here's a guy who makes terroristic threats - and he gets a visa to enter the country?

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by: Kathleen @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 10:40:41 AM CST

He is only a step beyond Warren or McClurkin, so why bar him?

He might be a good spokesperson for the Administration in carribean matters.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 11:23:31 AM CST

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OT: Had a question for you

but the thread got gone as was buried.

Here it is:

Is there such a legal principle as "separate is not equal" in England, France, and in other European countries where gays have domestic partnerships but not marriage?

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 11:28:55 AM CST

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Nope, no such European principle

since subjugation of some minorities is so very deeply ingrained in the psyche of Eurpoe, left over from the religious wars and officially sanctioned anti-semitism.

The French and Spanish Left embrace the principle, but not the Brits, nor the French Right, nor Ireland which learned the art of dispossessing minorities from the Brits.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 12:30:54 PM CST

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There has been a legal challenge in Britain

for marriage equality, though...never heard of this challenge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...

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by: kevinchi @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 12:59:01 PM CST

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I had heard of it

but UK notions of inherent rights are basically rudimentary. The UK is only a century and a half from disenfranchising Catholics and hanging, drawing and quartering.

Conversely, it did outlaw slavery far earlier than the US...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat Dec 05, 2009 at 13:42:17 PM CST

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I hope Jethro Tull wins the Grammy for this category.

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by: Blood From Machines @ Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 02:27:19 AM CST