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Thoughts on Barack Obama's 'A More Perfect Union'

by: Pam Spaulding

Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM EDT


The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through - a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.
-- presidential candidate Barack Obama, "A More Perfect Union," delivered in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008
On Sunday, before Barack Obama gave his A More Perfect Union speech, I wrote about what was likely to be addressed regarding Rev Wright's non-productive recorded comments that raised a political ruckus last week, so click over to read my thoughts on that topic.

Obama addressed the impact of what was said -- and how it was said -- in a way that was thoughtful, personal and direct. This was really two speeches though -- one was his response to the political storm over Wright, and the other was distinctively different and spoke to me -- a brave cracking open the door on the larger questions about our country's complex, pathological issues with race.

I knew I wouldn't see the speech live (I was on a panel at Take Back America in DC). I decided that I would avoid reading blogs about the speech, or watch the talking heads do the punditry after the fact.  While in the airport waiting on a flight back home to NC, I sat and read the transcript. I didn't watch the video -- I wanted to absorb the message devoid of delivery and presentation. I am writing this still not having read any MSM coverage or blogosphere reaction to the speech.

When I read it I wept. The tears were of sheer relief, particularly because of the above quote.

More below the fold.

Pam Spaulding :: Thoughts on Barack Obama's 'A More Perfect Union'
People who know me well are quite aware that I'm not one prone to great waves of emotion; I'm Ms. Even Keel to most. The emotion was because there I sat, reading elements of wisdom about our desperate need for engagement on the topic of race that I have written about on this blog for years. At times I have almost pleaded with readers to feel safe to open up to discuss the difficult issues of difference -- putting up posts with a dearth of comments because few were willing to put themselves out there.

Sometimes I feel like a tiny, insignificant voice attempting to bridge a Grand Canyon-sized divide. I can't imagine what it felt like for Barack Obama to write and deliver this speech, knowing the audience that would be receiving the message.

Because of that, in Obama's speech I was reading the words of a man who gets it, regardless of the fact that he is a candidate for President of the United States of America that resonate with me on this issue. That he is thisclose to becoming president of this country -- and to risk it all by cracking open this door on a painful area of this country -- is something I thought I would never see. He is giving voice to a healthier view on race relations that needs to be embraced from a stage where it's hard to argue that it is not an issue worth tackling.

Barack Obama is doing incredibly heavy lifting on this issue, and it's certainly was not his initial desire. He personally wanted to steer away the conversations about race and division in this primary cycle, but because of the toxic, misguided words of others, he was left no choice but to take on the mantle.

And yet, he was not afraid to challenge people of all colors in denial that the conversations kept out of polite company need to come out of the closet. All of us need to work through the fear that words will be misunderstood or poorly received. Trust must be built, thicker skin must be developed, and emotional effort must be expended to solve these problems.

Wishing the divide it away doesn't make it happen.

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

Thank you, thank you, Barack Obama. It had to be said. I am so, so tired of watching our society flounder in silence as the disease of racism sickens us. If this speech does not result in moving us forward on this topic, we are truly lost as a society. "Post-racial" goals will never be reached if one side sees little progress and the other side thinks the problem doesn't exist except in the most egregious cases.

The denial manifests itself in veiled terms that are couched in language that allows alleged plausible deniability in terms of being "racist," defensive reactions of seeing purposeful racism in every action, rating sheer ignorance and implicit bias as equivalent to hanging someone from a noose.

All that said, he knows he is not perfect and neither should anyone else; should Barack Obama be elected he is sure to disappoint many. No candidate can harbor all of the hopes and dreams of so many and be able to deliver in the political system we have in place, full of bottom feeding consultants, backstabbing operatives, and professional DC climbers who will step on anyone and everyone to maintain power and access to power. No one can change all of this disease-ridden infrastructure upon walking into the White House. There are a lot of constituencies nipping at his heels.

Though I am not biracial, but a product of two black parents, I deeply felt what he said here about his grandmother:

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

You don't have to be white to have internalized the fear of wondering if those young black men walking toward you on the street pose a threat. That doesn't however, mean that an otherwise non-threatening black man in a suit with a briefcase walking toward you should also ratchet up fear. But for some people it does. And you don't have to be a man. I've had to deal with "hailing a cab while black" and "shopping while black" on many occasions. I've been spared the "voting while black" or "driving while black problem" so far. What occurs far more often is that white people I speak with on the phone (vendors, business associates), who do not know me assume I am white and thus are visibly startled when meeting me.

This is the kind of stuff that wears on people of color on a day-to-day basis, but I'd rather put my energies into talking this stuff out than taking my ball and going home, or as Obama referred to, retreating to our corners. I wish others would do the same. But honestly, I've experienced just as much bias from blacks because of the "acting white" syndrome and reverse colorism - that there is some sort of standard light-skinned blacks must meet to prove themselves to be "black enough," an issue Obama raised in the speech.

I'm reminded of how far we have to go by the comments of CNN Headline News' bleater Glenn Beck, who reflects the implicit bias of far more people who just don't articulate it this clumsily.

Beck responded by saying "he's very white in many ways," adding, "Gee, can I even say that? Can I even say that without somebody else starting a campaign saying, 'What does he mean, "He's very white?" ' He is. He's very white."

After the interview, Beck attempted to clarify his comments to executive producer and head writer of The Glenn Beck Program, Steve Burguiere, who is known on-air as "Stu." Beck claimed that Obama "is colorless," adding that "as a white guy ... [y]ou don't notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?" In addition, Beck said: "I guarantee you, there will be blogs today that will have me being a racist because I say that."

It's the absurdity of claiming to be colorblind, when in fact the statement is racist because it attributes Obama's positive characteristics to the default value of whiteness, as opposed to blackness. I won't blow this off by saying Beck is a bigot here (he may earn that label because of other statements), so much as ignorant of white privilege and how it manifests itself in what was meant to be a compliment. That there is no self-reflection on why Beck believes "colorlessness" has more to do with diction, dress, cultural neutrality is fascinating as much as it is disturbing.

This perception that has allowed many whites to vote for Obama in spite of the under-discussed racial tensions in this country is what was breached by his association with a fiery pastor that evokes the angry black man. Perhaps a hidden angry black man.  

It's all a big mess, isn't it? But I guess we can take some solace in the fact that while not all may agree with all aspects of Obama's speech, people want to see it -- the YouTube of it has had  over one million views in 19 hours -- what people will rise to the challenge on the issue of an honest and open discussion about race will be telling.

Are people willing to risk stepping on that third rail,  or are they going to work to turn that charge off to make it safe for one another?

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Absolutely beautiful...
I was at the gym at the time, and we all stopped to watch it until the closed captioning running over his face (with all the typos) ruined it--I watched the whole speech beginning to end last night online.

But, his words were so powerful to make us stop what we were doing at the time, however. All I could think at the time was why in the world would people prefer someone else as the next president? It's not that you have to agree with Obama--although I did completely--it's that he was puttin' it out there.

Just puttin' it all out for everyone to see who he was as a person and a professional.

Curses! My million dollar ideas foiled again: "God Bless Your Brand!" http://www.christvertising.com/


It was one of the best speeches I have ever seen
how rare for a politician not to speak in sound bites and code phrases, and how unusual for one to be able to speak grammatical english.

Of course the American public prefers to elect leaders who are "like us" so I'm not sure how it will play out, but in this one speech I think that Obama proved that he is the leader that the country needs.


McCain & Hagee
Why isn't McCain facing the same scrutiny for proudly accepting support from Christian, I want Armageddon Now, Whack-Job John Hagee?

Everything John Hagee says is extremely outrageous.  For example...

Blaming the Holocaust on the Jews
"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day...."

Attack on Catholics calling the Catholic church the Great Whore of Revelations 17.

and lets not forget his deep love for the Apocalypse
"The war between America and Iraq is the gateway to the apocalypse. It makes no difference how long the war lasts... 2 months or 2 years. It will destabilize the Middle East and produce an Islamic army of millions [who will]... fight to the death."

John Hagee is completely insane, McCain calls him his "Spiritual Adviser" but and nobody is giving him any shit about it.  Why Not!

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende


Why?
Becca, there are two reasons.  

1) Popularity.  McCain has emasculated and hypnotized the MSM.  They swoon over him no matter what bullshit he dishes up, and even, unbelievably, went to a barbecue he held.  Talk about an objective correlative.  Isn't there something disgraceful and unseemly about that?  Maybe to us, but not to these pundits and so-called journalists.

2) Racism.  It's much easier and more fun for the MSM to pontificate about and even mock a Black pastor because it plays into all kinds of stereotypes.  But devoting the same kind of attention to Hagee, who truly is loathsome, makes them uncomfortable.  He, after all, is white.  

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


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Obama hit it out of the park, and maybe out of the galaxy...
woo-hoo!  

A "remember where you were" event
I was in grade school when President Kennedy was inaugurated.  The teacher gave each of us the choice of going to the auditorium and listening to his speech, or going outside to play.  I joined a small group who chose to play in the snow, missing a speech that later in life I've always regretted.

In seventh grade we were in the cafeteria watching a film.  When it was over the teacher very emotionally announced that President Kennedy had been shot, and killed.  That was a moment that was sealed in my mind.  

There have been several other epic moments of our national consciousness during my life.  Yesterday I was driving when Obama's speech came on the radio.  When I got to my destination, I sat in the car to continue to listen.  Shortly into it, I really felt I was listening to history.  Sitting in the car in the rain yesterday is a snapshot of my life that I believe will always be with me.


Yes indeed.
I have always been for Obama.  I have sneered at those for Hillary.  OH YES, she is a woman, first woman ever to be president.  OK  by me, BUT, people miss the point in that.  I would NEVER vote on someone just because.  Obama represents a better choice because of his speech and standards.  He has NOT drug things into the dirt.  He has a dream and who better than someone seeing BOTH sides of the fence of race.  If we are to have a black president let him be black/white.  PERFECT.  A great idea.  His voice of not disrespecting his life long pastor shows his Christian side, which is a plus.  It shows his ability of forgiving.  If only the other Christians could do so too.

Many Christians don't have a Christian side
Many or most condemned Hillary for sticking with Bill after Monica.  That death do us part promise to their god has lots of loopholes.  

I agree with you, though I'm not a christian I thought his handling of Wright showed the compassion that Jesus taught.


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Brilliant
Pam, I appreciate your reflections on the speech. I also read the speech online at work before I saw portions on TV. I was on the phone to my pastor who said it gave her goosebumps. My partner took off from work to watch it and was equally moved.

Having grown up attending Black churches, the type of sermon given by Rev. Wright is not new to me. Yes, Rev. Wright's comments were inflammatory and hurtful, but the message I heard is that America is not living up to its mission of fairness and downright decency when it comes to many who have been marginalized in our society. I attended a south side church in Chicago not very far from Trinity. My church, like Trinity, was also affiliated with the United Church of Christ. The UCC is socially progressive and has a long history of inclusion relating to the lgbt community. I've heard fiery speeches like that from my own pastor...railing against racism, discrimination, poverty, homophobia, and even challenging the city's mayor to do more about police brutality.  Yes scripture is preached and analyzed during these sermons, but in many Black churches, it is combined with the struggles of everyday life.

I 100% support Obama's decision to repudiate Rev. Wright's comments, but not to disown his relationship with him. As Obama so eloquently stated, Rev. Wright is a product of the segregation and blatant racism of the 60s. His world-view is different than those of us who have benefited from the gains of Civil Rights. I think it was great that Obama urged the Black community to understand fears that whites hold and to not automatically dismiss them as racist without looking deeper.

I am so tired of Faux News with their constant rotation of fear and race baiting. Barack issued a stunning challenge to them and to all of us to continue this important dialog. The future of our nation rests on where we go from here.


My first post! :)
Hi, Pam, thank you so much for your site and for your essay today.  I loved Obama's speech, too and was glad to see that he did not triangulate Wright under the bus.  It gives a good, strong sign that he won't argue the Rethuglicans on their terms.

And Pam and Obama are both right that we have to talk about all the difficult racial issues out there.  I put in five years teaching in a tough inner city public high school In Philadelphia.  I'm a white gay guy, and I was out to my kids and cosponsored a gay-straight alliance at my school.  I have since left, but fortunately, my colleague, Amy Wilder, who has a better organizational mind than I do, has maintained the group.

Anyway, I brought that up to bring up that I'm currently working on a novel inspired by what I saw as a teacher.  And writing it isn't easy, but it's rewarding so far because to do this right, I'm having to address a lot of thorny racial and class issues that intersect in Philly's insane school system.  One thing that being in the trenches taught me was that I didn't understand this country's racial divide anywhere near as well as I thought I had and that, as progressive as I like to think of myself as being, even I had a lot of internalized racial stereotypes I needed to uproot and expunge.

One of the many frustrations my students felt was that nobody anywhere was listening to them or loved them, and outsiders who condemned our kids' frequent misbehavior ignored that fact at the moral peril of all of us.

So no, Obama won't be able to solve everything, not even close.  But I do feel optimistic that he can bring some honesty to a topic that is usually reduced to demogoguery and evasiveness.

And hello to everyone else here.  I've enjoyed reading all your comments, too. :)

Mike

Blogging my novel: http://www.authonomy.com/ViewB...


Good luck with your novel!
I've had many ups and downs in my career and even when a writer isn't manic depressive, the career itself can be.  Just this past year, I couldn't believe how hard it was to get an agent for my new novel, a literary historical.  Month after month I'd either get form rejections of rustrating "oh-so-close" ones.  I must have had 75 rejections!  And then suddenly I had eight agents vying to represent it.  Eight!  It was almost ridiculous it was so wonderful.

But I stuck with it to get to that point. Over the years (and 18 books), I've learned that being stubborn is all-important: believe what you have to say is important, and then work, work, work.  Read widely and deeply, study other writers especially when they surprise, astonish or even annoy you (knowing why a book fails can be as helpful as knowing why a book succeeds).  And always be prepared to revise and make your work better.

That's my pep talk for the afternoon!  

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


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P.S.
Oh, I forgot to add to my last post...

Awesome Speech President Obama!!!!

Oh I hope to say President Obama for real.  Imagine an Intelligent, Articulate, Diplomatic Leader as President!  What a wonderful thing for the United States and The World.

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende


It speaks very well...
...of Obama that he chose to turn a politically difficult situation into an opportunity for candor and leadership.  Whatever else happens, those who support him can do so proudly, knowing that he stands for something genuine.

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I saw it
Pam, I read some of the speech before he spoke it (Cue "Spaceballs": "When will then be now?  Soon!), and as beautiful and moving as his words were, his delivery was amazing.

He moved me to tears.  He was magisterial, honest, sweeping, deep.  I've been complaining to my spouse for years that the country lacks men and women of vision, people who are inspiring in a crisis.  No MLKs and no JFKs.  Clinton has left me consistently underwhelmed for years despite friends telling me how great she is in smaller groups without cameras on. I'm not just angry about her Iraq vote, which should have been with Senator Byrd (here's his amazing speech from five years ago: http://www.salon.com/news/prim...
I find her sounding calculating, as if her speeches have been cobbled together and don't really express what she feels but what she thinks is expedient and useful at the moment. I've long felt that about her.

Obama blows me away: smart, well-traveled, naturally funny, and biracial with international connections in a global world. I don't "worship" or "idolize" him as many of the Clinton camp and even the punditocracy decry Obama supporters.  I admire him, plain and simple.  That's how cynical and ugly this country had become: deep admiration isn't just suspect, it's mocked.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


Is that the Reason?
Obama blows me away: smart, well-traveled, naturally funny, and biracial with international connections in a global world.

I don't think enough has been made of the very unique upbringing Obama has had. He barely spent time in America, never mind the black community, until high school and college. He was raised by a family in which he was both a member and an outsider. How often was he "the only one in the room" as my Latino brother-in-law put it years ago? Then he moved to Chicago and for the last 2 decades has been in somewhat the same position in his church and the black community. With that kind of background, should we be surprised he has this amazing critical eye for the issues of race and class in this country?

The real surprise with this speech was the complete lack of political buzzwords or poll-driven language. As many commentators have noted, he spoke from the heart and treated the American people as if they have the ability to grasp complexity and nuance - no dumbing down at all.


[ Parent ]
Hope
Remember when Bush became President we learned that he had NEVER traveled outside of the US except for Mexico?  This was a real shock, given that he came from a wealthy family and could have gone anywhere he wanted to--and the dollar was king back then.  A Texan I knew who had spent regular time with him told me that Bush was the least curious person he knew, and we've elarned the terrible truth of that.  Obama's international POV, his range of experience and reference encourages me that if he were president, we could have someone who could really make a difference.  Yes, I'm sure that Senator Clinton has visited more countries, but I suspect many of her trips have been like the nine-hour USO-type tour she had in Bosnia, despite her false claims that she experienced sniper fire and opened the border.

from today's salon.com:

A closer look at Clinton's Bosnia schedule

As proof of her national security credentials, Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have repeatedly emphasized a dangerous March 1996 voyage she made to Bosnia.

All nine hours of it.

This Bosnia name-dropping occurred most recently on Monday, in a speech about national security issues at George Washington University. Togo West, former secretary of the Army, mentioned the trip when he introduced the New York senator, claiming that the Secret Service "would not allow" then President Bill Clinton to go to Bosnia because of the danger. Hillary Clinton went instead. West called it a "serious trip under serious circumstances."

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia," Clinton said when she began her speech. "And as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor or too dangerous, the president couldn't go. So send the first lady," she recalled. "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Imagine the importance of such an adventure, since Clinton and her aides still bring it up with such emphasis 12 years later. And imagine how intense it must have been to make such a lasting impression on Clinton -- particularly since the entire trip was scheduled to last for exactly nine hours.

On Wednesday, the National Archives released 11,046 pages of Clinton's schedule as first lady. These include her schedule for March 25, 1996, during her one-day trip to Bosnia.

Clinton was set to land at Tuzla Air Base at 8:45 a.m. And if a sniper was about, it's a good thing the welcome ceremony was canceled, since it included U.S. ambassador John Menzies, a seventh-grade class and an 8-year-old Bosnian girl who was supposed to read Clinton a poem.

She did then go to a meeting with Acting President Ejup Ganic, which lasted 10 minutes. This was followed by a "roundtable discussion" moderated by Menzies from 9:35 to 10:45. Clinton was then supposed to meet with some nongovernmental organizations for 30 minutes.

She then received a very important-sounding "Task Force Eagle" briefing. It lasted 15 minutes. Next, Clinton got an hourlong tour of a military camp, lunch with the troops and a second hourlong tour of another military camp. (Travel between locations took some time, too.)

By 3:45 it was time for a show for the troops back at Tuzla, with entertainment provided by singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad. Her flight was set to leave at 5:45 p.m.

In a conference call with reporters on Wednesday, Clinton spokesman Jay Carson recommended that reporters "not view these schedules as a comprehensive compendium of every minute of Senator Clinton's time as first lady." He called the records "an idea of a number of activities in which she participated, but you're not going to see every single event in which she was involved, the impromptu phone call or running into somebody in the hallway."

 

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


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You Said It
Very nicely put, Pam.  I have my concerns about Obama, but as with his 2004 convention speech, what made me really perk up with this one were a few lines that tell me he really gets it on these issues.  Race, gender, class, power and other important issues tend to be shallowly covered by our national pundits, and this speech was a very welcome elevation over that.  (I have to run; I might have more later.  But thanks.)

Pam - you have touched at least one person with your blog, me
I can never thank you enough Pam, for opening up these difficult conversations about race, especially the ways race issues intersect with LGBT issues and gender issues and political issues.  I was actually brought here years ago by a link to your great hair post about the hot comb, and it really made me think that there was this whole world out there that I knew nothing about.  I grew up in a white northern small town and discussions about race were non-existent and awkward.  Because of reading your blog, I've been able to examine my own privileges and really unlearn some of the subtle racism that I didn't even know was in me until I started to think about it.  It is amazingly easy to be colorblind when you never see any people of color.  I'm not the perfect white person, but I'm working on it.  I'm reading more blogs and books by people of color and pointing out the racism that I now see to my white friends.  And now I'm starting to think of new ways to focus on the values of justice that are really important to me.  It might be something I work on every day for the rest of my life, but I think it makes me a better person and the world just a little bit better.  And I really think it was because of reading your blog that I've taken those steps.

So thanks.  


thanks in return
For taking time to pay the compliment, but also to let us all know that "working on it" is hard, but is worth the effort. :)

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This speech...
was one of the most honest, non-patronizing I've ever heard from a politician. It is an urgent request for this country to grow up.

Sure hope enough were listening...


sent to the SF CHronicle today
Editor:

   Sen. Obama's speech regarding his former pastor and the legacy of racism in America was nothing short of inspiring. At last, we have someone who is willing to talk like an adult to us on these subjects, done neither in some whitewashed nor black-faced version of race relations and history.

   Race is an in-human invention used to elevate one group at the expense of another. Like all bigotry, it is the means by which many can avoid employing fact and reason, circumventing the moral obligation to judge by what lies within instead of persecuting others for surface issues, and dehumanizing others while ignoring our own sins.

   That being said, it would be fantastic if we could have a similar speech from a major presidential candidate on the subject of the place of gay people in our society, homophobia, and the price we all pay for it. Perhaps we could hear Sen. Obama telling conservatives that though their work to strengthen families is honest and sincere, using lies, hatred, and bigotry towards gay people, masked as 'moral disapproval', is both counter-productive and a moral outrage.


Hear, Hear Ben!
You CONSISTANTLY hit the nail squarely on the head.

I'm a real fan of your commentaries!

:)


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Obama not quite ready to claim his whiteness
"He's not black enough."

"He's very white."

"He's colorless."

No. Barak Obama is BOTH white and black. When he speaks, the voices and mannerisms of the white, Midwestern women who raised him are quite evident. The reason why he appeals to many white folks is because he really IS white -- and then some.

Yes, Obama's skin color and African heritage has resulted in his sharing the life experience of people of color. But to deny that he is also a product of white culture is ridiculous.

This speech was the closest I've seen Obama claim his white heritage.

What I would like to see Obama say is that he is MORE THAN rather than LESS THAN because of his biracial heritage. He is white -- just as white as I am. He has the right to claim that heritage and demand to be recognized as being fully entitled to say, "I am white."

My nieces and nephew are biracial and they refuse to be labeled as less than white. When someone tells them that they aren't white, they insist that they are just as white as anyone else in the world. This is a very difficult concept for many people to accept. They see being part non-white as meaning that a person is not white at all -- just one drop of "colored" blood makes a person non-white.

Today, many biracial kids are laying claim to their whiteness. This is a way to demand full equality.

Perhaps Obama has laid claim to his whiteness in his personal life and knows it is just too risky to take that step in public. He'd have to tell white folks that he's just as white as they are and black folks that he's just as black. Dangerous and controversial territory.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


What
Obama, just as your niece and nephew, has the right to label himself however he wishes. I'm sure there is a reason why he prefers to label himself African American or Black, but either way it is not your right to tell him what he is.

How does a person have White mannerisms or a way of speaking?  That doesn't even make sense.  Of course the way he acts is based on his culture and upbringing, but not all White people have the same cultures, backgrounds or uprbringing, just like all Black people don't have these things in common.  


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Don't be obtuse
"I'm sure there is a reason why he prefers to label himself African American or Black, but either way it is not your right to tell him what he is."

I hate it when people read between the lines and make stupid statements like this. Did I say that Obama doesn't have the right to label himself? No. You're just being deliberately disputatious and I won't let you get away with it.

I have every right to my own opinions on race. I think it is wrong for a biracial person to ignore part of his or her heritage just because it is more acceptable or convenient. It is more healthy to identify as being of both races.

"How does a person have White mannerisms or a way of speaking?"

That's just ridiculous. If you can't accept the fact that these differences do in fact exist, then you're either blind and deaf or stupid.


When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


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Personal attacks don't change the facts
No these differences do not exist among racial lines.  This is the reason why people like you label others as too White or acting White when their skin color would suggest otherwise.

You are the one who said that Obama was White, and put all these labels of Whiteness on him.  That is bigoted, and you can call me any petty name you want, but nothing will change that fact.


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Among the many things I find offensive about your comment one was particularly offensive.
When you say:

"My nieces and nephew are biracial and they refuse to be labeled as LESS THAN white." [emphasis mine]

"Less than"?

I think your choice of words, if you meant what you seem to have said, if VERY telling and a bit disturbing.  You didn't say "anything other than" or "something other than"; you said "LESS THAN white" as if every drop of non-white blood makes a person less than a person who is 100% white.  

Maybe you meant that a person who is white and of color is less white than a person who is 100% white but how would that apply to your neice and nephew, who if bi-racial, are less than 100% white so why would they "refuse" to be called less than white?

Then you go on to say:

"Today, many biracial kids are laying claim to their whiteness. This is a way to demand full equality"

Again, your choice of words is either inadvertantly poor or very telling.  There seems to be a correlation in your mind between a person's degree of whiteness (or perceived whiteness) and the ease to which they should have access to equality as if to say that a person of color should try to be as close to white as possible to gain access to a "way to demand full equality".

I certainly hope that you just expressed yourself poorly and these aren't your actual opinions..


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Pam, you still don't get it.
Though I am not biracial, but a product of two black parents

With any cursory look at your photo any fool can see you descend from both races, if not a melange of others.  That you claim that your parents are black is a wholesale buying in to the racial divide conversation.  As long as you lay claim to a distinction that is other than American that has an even greater claim to all the rights and responsibilities of a citizen of a nation everyone claims is the greatest nation on earth, then you will always be a subdivision.  That is the point of Obama's speech in Pennsylvania.  Race cannot be ignored in America, because it is an old chestnut that still divides us, and one that all Americans, Black, White, Asian, Latino still perpetuate, that was his point.  

The experience and thus the reponsibility of the children of Africa in America is the greatest template for what it is to be an American.  The experience of the children of Africa is able to say, like no other, that it is unshackled from the national roots that other Americans claim and that, forged in blood, iron, sweat and endurance, has thus a greater claim to what it means to be an American.  

Racism is there, sure, and it's not going to go away tomorrow, never mind in November.  America still has a lot of growing up to do.  But buying in to the division just because the majority does is a sell out.

Stop being black; start being an American.


no, you don't get it
I am perfectly aware of the social construct of race. If you have read my prior posts that I mention my heritage, it's to point out the fact that many people have mistaken me as biracial, when in fact, that is meaningful in this context.

I can't lay claim to any white heritage that I don't know about -- I have no idea how far back in my family tree you'd have to go to find those relatives. Therefore my parents didn't have to agonize over how much I had to be exposed to one culture or another (something interracial couples often have to consciously do). It was never a question for my parents whether I was "black" or not.

The phenomenon of people asking whether I am biracial is a relatively new one, btw; I was simply seen as a light-skinned black person most of my life. That points out the lunacy of this whole matter, it's silly to deny that there is no social differences in perceptions of individuals if someone has parents who are white and black versus those who are considered (and considered themselves) black.

It would be nice to be in that place, but we're not there, it's not a matter of buying into anything, but acknowledging that those perceptions garner different reactions.


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I can't lay claim to any white heritage that I don't know about
Precisely.  You can't claim any heritage you don't know about.  So why not claim a simply American one?  As all Americans should do.  Isn't that the point of America?  You claim we're not there yet, and that perceptions garner different reactions but whose perceptions define you?  You have the voice and you created the forum.  You are an American.  You stand and be proud of that and demand recognition of that, and when your countrymen wish to take away from that because you are black/white/mixed/gray/gay/transgendered/bisexual/whatthefuckever, you say no, you can't deny me that because I am black/white/mixed/gray/gay/transgendered/bisexual/whatthefuckever; you can't deny me that because I am an American.  That's the greatest strength, and that's what Obama was saying.

As long as one addresses the political and social arena as black/white/mixed/gray/gay/transgendered/bisexual/whatthefuckever, then that's how they'll be answered.  I suggest that addressing the political and social arena as an American might make for a different response.  


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I do claim an American heritage
In fact, I have Shinnecock and Lumbee heritage, so some of my family predates the arrival of the Euroguys. That those are aspects I can simply point to, doesn't negate claiming an American heritage. You can be all of those above-mentioned things and be an American.

However, simply claiming an American heritage doesn't do a heck of a lot of good if a cab won't stop for you or you are followed around in a store if you appear to be black. That's also unfortunately very American.

I didn't set up the social construct -- simply making a claim not to buy into it doesn't solve the problem. The idiocy of the social construct cannot be dealt with if people don't break it down in conversations that result in greater understanding.


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I've posted separately...
...about various interpretations of my own ethnicity but there are lots of incidents that I don't always remember until I think about them later.  

I was once in a convenience store where the owner chased a group of kids out of the store and then turned to wait on me with real politeness.    I had just assumed that the kids had been shoplifters or something in the past and the owner didn't want them around.

That may have been true, but I was ignoring the more obvious possibility: that the kids who happened to look Hispanic were perceived as more of a threat than I, as someone who happened to look white, was.

I'm torn sometimes when I see something like this happen.  I've had friends who made nasty comments about Jews and was so flabbergasted that I didn't know what to say.   I had a supervisor once who would use the term "nigger" without any compunction, and when I told him what a problem that term was for me, he tried to explain to me that he didn't mean it to refer to blacks.  It was a generalized term for lazy people.  That may have been sort of true: he didn't tend to use it for blacks as often as whites that he thought were worthless.  He used it as much like a term for "white trash," if not more so, than an anti-black comment.

I think, today, I'm a lot more inclined to just say exactly what I think and let it be with that.  I don't even find myself able to react in anger to a lot of racism any longer; it's moved into just this pure sadness, like I can't believe people still think like this.

I'm only a click away.


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Why is their a choice?
People don't have to denounce their race in order to either embrace that they are American or demand the same rights as every other citizen of this country.  This is not a one or the other situation.  But this seems like a choice that many, regardless of their race, feel that Black people have to make.

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No, absolutely not
I'm not saying one has to deny any aspect of themselves.  And as I said above things will not change overnight.  All I'm adding to the conversation is the notion that the insistence one takes against the problems is as a citizen.

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I think you're conflating race, familial heritage and national/cultural heritage.
All three of which are completely separate things that may or may not have associations to each other.

A person's national or cultural heritage may have little or nothing to do with their familial heritage which may have little to nothing to do with their race.


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It goes both ways,
at least for those whites who have a long family history in this country. White male slaveowners either raped their slaves or arranged concubinage with free black women (New Orleans quadroon families, in which the women were set up in their own households in NOLA and behaved as if married,, but didn't have that status in church or civil law, since the white patron was legally married to a white woman. The concubines had contract-written inheritance from their patrons). Plenty of blacks "passed" and married white, and their kids were considered white. Then there is the phenomenon of "black Indians" - intermarriage and yes, the aforementioned slave rape and concubinage by slave-holding men of some nations. And of course "white Indians" existed too.

Heinz57, we are! There are a lot of "European-descended" whites out there with a black or First Peoples ancestor somewhere in their family tree. Truth is always more complicated than category. We carry different sets of histories from our families, and family lore may or may not get transmitted. All that being said, the cultural/historical/familial inheritances of a black parent and a white parent are likely to be quite different in a lot of ways, and I would guess that almost always the differences would be greater than those between two black families even from disparate economic backgrounds.


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My grandfather would disagree
"The experience of the children of Africa is able to say, like no other, that it is unshackled from the national roots that other Americans claim and that, forged in blood, iron, sweat and endurance, has thus a greater claim to what it means to be an American."

My grandparents came to America in the early 1920s from Bavaria. In their native country, they were viewed as being from an inferior class -- similar to what American's view to be "hillbillies" or uneducated and rural.

They had thick accents in their native tongue that marked them as being from a lower class. Life in America gave them the opportunity to escape that stigma and aspire to wealth and privilege.

My grandparents lived and prospered in the Midwest for 20 years. In late 1942, they were arrested and along with their five children (including my mother) were imprisoned at an internment camp in Crystal City, Texas. Their only "crime" was having brothers and sisters who were high-ranking Nazi officials back in Germany.

There were two kinds of people imprisoned at Crystal City, real, hardcore Nazis and Americans like my grandparents who were presumed guilty through family ties or similar association.

Many of those who were imprisoned during the war were not allowed to remain in the country after the war. Thousands were "repatriated" to Germany. My grandparents had to fight to remain in America. It took them until 1951 to have their American citizenship restored.

My grandparents earned their right to be Americans. They could have given up and returned to a war-torn Germany. But, they wanted better for their children.

I don't think my grandparents have a "greater" claim to what it means to be American. I think their struggle is equal to that of many others.

As I write this, I remember the tears in my grandfather's eyes as he told me stories about the war years. He lost everything, yet refused to let go of the American dream.

My grandfather is who I think of when someone gives me preferential treatment because of the blond hair and green eyes I inherited from him. He grew up in Germany being viewed as "less than" and he had to leave home to escape these discriminatory class distinctions.

People often refer to my appearance as the "all-American" ideal -- if they only knew how little that really means in the history of my family.

Here's a link to more information on Crystal City for those who are interested:

http://www.foitimes.com/intern...

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


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Fritz, your grandfather's story is too little known
There is a travelling exhibit (in a school bus) that goes around the Midwest, showing the story of interned Germans and German-born US citizens during the war. It is of some interest to local historians due to the German population in some Midwestern cities, and due to the proximity of some of the camps. (I am from MO, and a major Japanese-internment camp was in AR - there were a fair number of ex-interned Japanese families who chose to settle in AR and MO after their release).

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How do you feel about St. Patrick's Day?
And about the traditional parades that are held in Boston and New York and other cities with substantial Irish American populations?  America has been celebrating that holiday as long as I can remember.  We cut out shamrocks in grade school.  I'm not aware of any major campaign to abolish it on the grounds that it's divisive, and because we're all just Americans.  Would you be in favor of such a campaign?

I'm seriously curious if you've thought about it, not trying to be snarky.  Do you have a different reaction to Puerto Rican Day parades?  To Cinco de Mayo celebrations?  I'm not trying to put you on the spot.  Just something to think about.

Most white people, when they think of an "American", think of a white person--without even considering that there are other possibilities.  And that's not because African diaspora people here call themselves African Americans, or because some maintain an interest in and celebrate their distinctive history and culture.  It's not because black people want to be excluded.  Our definition of "American" needs to expand to encompass all of us--all Americans.  Black folks can't simply fix the problem by trying to fit into the white person's view of what an American is.

...

Stop being black; start being an American.

And by the way, that's a really harsh thing to say in making your point.  Why would you think that Pam is not already just as American as you are?  Why would you think you have standing to claim that Pam's Americanness, or anyone's, is conditional on adhering to your view of what Americanness is?

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I agree,
Sport, it sounds harsh, but was meant to be rhetorical.  People are free to be what they want and I don't advocate them buying into anyone's world view they don't wish too.  We've all seen the bumbling cliche of the hapless tourist overseas who claims, "You can't do that to me, I'm an American!"; all I'm saying in my grossly ham-fisted way is why can't we have that that argument at home?  

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i really wish i was a highschool teacher
so that i could listen in on the effect the speech is (hopefully) having on young people.  or see if it has even registered with them.

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In your heart, you know he's right
I didn't see it live. When I turned on the tv and saw Tweety going on and on about how it was the best speech he's ever seen a politician deliver I was stunned and immediately went to youtube. It was moving, it was cerebral, it was true. And everybody knows it was the truth, as rare and shocking as it is to see uttered in public.

One thing that hardly ever gets much attention is what the experience of a biracial child growing up in Hawaii in the 60s and 70s would have been. Hawaii is not a normal state in terms of racial and ethnic make up (or on almost any other measure). I have a (white) friend who grew up in Hawaii at the same time and went to Punahou a few grades ahead of Obama. His comment was that it would have been more likely for a white person to encounter discrimination on Oahu back then than for someone like Obama. Obama's speech talks about the structural failures that perpetuate inequality and zero sum, us vs. them thinking. It's hard for someone who was brought up in such a system to see it from outside. His upbringing in a an unconventional state where race is not the same kind of issue it is on the mainland probably has a lot to do with how he's able to stand astride many worlds.

I shifted to Obama after Edwards (I'm much more comfortable talking about class). I never bought the "hope" meme that his early supporters were pushing, but the Clinton disaster is just too horrible to allow. Watching this speech though... now I'm fully converted. I want hope, not just change, I want to believe that we really can go forward and not just fail in an endless downward spiral of identity tribe infighting. I believe in this man. I really do.  


This nation needs Obama as President
Pam,

I agree with your sentiments that Obama "gets it" and he is in my view the best hope for making some forward movement on the issue of race in this country and many others. His speech was amazing and by reports that I have heard he wrote most of it himself.  Something few politicians today can or will do unlike past political greats such as Washington, Lincoln and others.

I do not condone some of Rev. Wright's comments, but it angers me how they have been cynically cherry picked for nasty political games by the far right, the Clinton campaign and certain members of the chattering class. It also truly saddens me that so many whites - especially so many who claim to be good Christians - continue to be such bigots when it comes to race.  Would that they for a moment put themselves in someone else's shoes.  You cannot know someone else's mindset or emotions fully until you have walked in their shoes. Yet they wonder why blacks and others feel anger at times.

If Obama does not get the nomination and win in November, I beleive that this country will have lost a perhaps once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a leader who can unify and lead us forward.  I shudder when I think of the alternatives to his leadership.


He's only 46!
"If Obama does not get the nomination and win in November, I beleive that this country will have lost a perhaps once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a leader who can unify and lead us forward."

Obama has a long career ahead of him no matter what happens in November.  

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


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Still have the Republicans to deal with
Anyone have any Republican friends who where impressed with the speech?
Anyone know any Republicans who say they are voting for Obama?
The Democrats win in November, but still have the Repugs to deal with both the operatives and the Republicans in Congress.  They tend not to want to move the country forward.


A Criticism I Hadn't Considered
Let me start by saying that I thought Obama's speech was brilliant. A friend of mine offered the most insightful criticism I've heard. In her opinion, Obama is just as out-of-date as his minister, because he sees a biracial conflict. "What about the Latinos, or the Asians" my friend asks.

I hadn't thought about it until she mentioned it, but you know, that's a damn good question. Read that speech again from a Latino perspective, and it might help you understand why Clinton has swept that particular constituency.

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I don't know how to read a speech from a Latino perspective...
...but I know what I saw when I watched it in real time: a man talking about racism and race across the spectrum.  Obama didn't restrict his comments to white and black, but apparently he didn't meet your quota of the full kitchen sink of ethnic references to qualify as all-inclusive.

I'm only a click away.

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My problem with Obama's response to the brouhaha that has resulted from Rev. Wright's sermon/speech snippets given so much play recently:
  • First Obama claimed not to know about some of the more inflammatory stuff...
  • Then he said, well, he was never in church when such stuff was said or he might have addressed it - privately...
  • Then he finally admitted he had knowledge of what Wright had been preaching during the past 20 years of their friendship (duh)...
  • So after trying to avoid the topic of Race in America during his campaign, he suddenly decided a major speech on the subject was in order.
What are we to assume - that Senator Obama simply hoped that no one outside his church would ever notice the "God Damn America" sort of comments from his mentor?  That no one would care?  Would you rather think of Obama as stupid, or duplicitous or naive?  Can someone provide any other explanations?

This is the sort of thing that Democrats have been talking about when they refer to their fears about fresh-faced candidates for high office who pop up on the national scene and who have not been thoroughly vetted.

I'm guessing the Republicans don't mind this state of affairs one bit.  And that they're well prepared to help with that vetting process if Senator Obama is the nominee.

That's not totally true
The media has been re-playing two clips over and over, and Obama, as his staff has proven, said he never heard those comments.  Yesterday, Obama said he has heard Reverand Wright say controversial statements, and he has disagreed with him on some things; as has everyone else who has had any contact with another human being.  

As far as the "God damn America", if you take what he said in context, which was God damn America if she keeps treating people like second class citizens just because of their skin color. Most people in church that day probably put more emphasis, and connected more with the message of treating people like second class citizens, than the God damn America part.  It's funny that the media leaves that part of the quote out, but if they left it in, many people would still just focus on the God damn America part.  He just wasn't sitting up there saying bad things about the country, he was talking about social injustice.  And as I posted a few days ago, Martin Luther King Jr.  pretty much said the same thing.


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Vetted?
Has Clinton truly been vetted?

Have people been exposed to comparisons of her weasely speech about Iraq on the Senate floor with Senator Byrd's magnificent sad denunciation of a Congress stampeded by fear and self-interest?

Do people really know that her claims of foreign policy experience are bogus since she never sat in on meetings of the NSC, never had security clearance, and was basically a figurehead when she traveled abroad?

Are people truly aware that she voted to ban flag burning and for the DOMA?

That she has some ties with Rupert Murdoch?

Despite her being in the public eye for so long, there's a lot to learn about the Senator from New York.  

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


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"typical white person" - an ex post facto response
Vetting involves considering the totality of the individual, not just his policy positions, his votes, and his public statements, but his responses to the endless jibes and criticisms inherent in public life these days, his ability to think on his feet, and, yes, unfortunately, his ability to avoid the kind of remark that gets played on an endless loop by the Limbaugh's of the right.

Surely you can agree with Senator Obama's positions on race, on liberation theology, on loyalty to this friend and still understand that the way he handled (after trying to ignore or downplay) the Wright business showed either a mendacity or a naïveté which does not bode well for his success in a general election.

The next "endless-loop moment" for Obama is going to be his reference to how a "typical white person," made during a call-in show yesterday. http://weblogs.chicagotribune....
Another snippet to be added to the loop with Wright's US of KKK and God Damn America rhetoric.

Good gracious!  What is wrong with this man?  You can go on and on singing hosannas to your messiah, but first he has to get elected, correct?


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Edit
Sorry, should read:

The next "endless-loop moment" for Obama is going to be his reference to how a "typical white person" behaves, made during a call-in show yesterday.


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It's Nice That You Liked It
I read his entire speech online and was unimpressed.

It would have been useful for
you to explain why you weren't impressed (while so many of us were), or perhaps what he could have said that would have, in fact, impressed you.

Just informing us that you "read his entire speech online and was unimpressed"...well, I tread into potentially offensive territory, but, in my view, that comes across as narcissistic.  Your comment doesn't establish, invite, or contribute to dialogue; it doesn't posit any theories; it doesn't stimulate thought.

If KC wrote a comment that said, only, "I didn't like it," the reaction I would expect would be:  "Why are we supposed to care that KC didn't like it?  Is KC's not liking it self-evidently important or significant?"  I think it would be entirely reasonable for readers to expect some explanation, as a matter of courtesy.


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KC, are you completely unfamiliar with Holly in Cincinnati?
Check the comment archives.  You won't get through more than three HIC comments before it will become crystal clear why she didn't like Obama's speech.

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I want to take Holly in Cincinnati at her word
I give her the benefit of the doubt that her statement has more than a just a crude political function, that there is meaning and integrity behind it.

Pam says she wept, and explains in clear and passionate detail why.  Contrast that to Holly's comment.

I agree with Lev Raphael below -- the comment as it stands now is rude.  If it were made for mere political purposes, independent of any substance, I hope Holly in Cincinnati understands that that is likely to be counterproductive to her cause.  If people notice that a supporter of person X, or issue Y, is boorish and thoughtless, they are likely to react a little less favorably to person X or issue Y.


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Rudeness among Dems
I still think we're taking our powerless rage at the perversion of our democracy over the last 7+ years out on each other.  I haven't seen this kind of invective (Obama thinks he's a messiah; Clinton's a bitch--and worse) since the 60s when Democrats really savaged each other.  

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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Unimpressed???????
Oh, Holly, you must have a heart of stone.

The speech is eloquent, deep, ground-breaking--and beautifully written.

Even Clinton supporters, even right wing pundits in print and on TV thought the speech made history.  MADE HISTORY.

To say you're unimpressed is like walking into a concert hall after a brilliant, soul-stirring performance of the Pathétique and giving the orchestra and conductor a Bronx cheer.

It's not just anti-intellectual, it's rude.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


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I cried also
Occasionally quality and truth ring out.  This was one of those moments.  We have become so politically correct and programmed to avoid issues, and Obama took controversy straight on.  Bravo.
A changing of the guards so to speak is happening in America.  Long time coming.

Pam, this white 40+ year old man from Mississippi had EXACTLY the same reaction to this speech that you did.
What I find stupifying is the reaction that I'm hearing from Hillary supporters on liberal and gay websites like Huffington Post and Towleroad.

It is amazing to me that they have allowed their utter hatred of Obama blind them from even considering what a monumental speech this was.  While the rest of the world heard a once in a century "Four Score" or "Ask Not" or "I Have a Dream" type speech about healing and unity spoken at a level of understanding beyond the speaker's years and delivered in such a way as to not talk down to or over the heads of the American masses, extreme Hillary supporters (which seems to be 90% of them) covered their ears and sang LALALALALA at the top of their lungs, shut their eyes tight and waited until it was over so that they could flock back to the comment sections of blogs to write the most vile and venomous things about Obama they could think of.  Forget the speech and what he said, they wanted to attack him for not leaving the church at the right time.  They wanted to attack him for saying that he didn't hear the PARTICULAR sermons that the press was showing over and over and then admitting in the speech that he HAD heard SOME offensive things in OTHER sermons while he was in the church (there is no contradiction there, what's the big deal?).

It's sad to me that years from now (long after Obama's two terms in the White House have past) when this speech is reprinted in high school textbooks, there will be Hillary supporters who are STILL so bitter that they will tell their children that the speech was delivered by a woman hating (boilerplate) demon and was nothing more than lies, spin and grandstanding.  Of course they'll refrain from mentioning that they STILL haven't actually listened to or read it.

I am particularly disturbed by the rabid hate being spewed in the comment sections over at the HuffingtonPost.

For the life of me I can't imagine at this point how the Democrats are going to win this election in November.  In my 40+ years I have NEVER seen this level of hatred spewed in ANY election, NOT EVEN between Democrats vs. Republicans.  The general election between Kerry and Bush was NOWHERE NEAR this ugly.  It really makes me want to get the hell out of the Democratic Party.  I already left the Republicans for the Democrats a few years back.  I'm finding myself as unhappy with my current party as I EVER was with the Republican Party.  With the GOP, as I changed and THEY changed, I grew to hate their policies and platforms but with the Democrats I'm finding that I hate the inter-party hatred and infighting almost more than I hate the GOP platform.  

Something's GOT to give!


the two speeches in one
1) the portion addressing Wright's comments
2) the larger discussion about our country's difficulty with race

unfortunately allow those who oppose Obama for various reasons (be they supporters of Hillary, or the straight up "Archie Bunker" demo - and no, I'm not saying they are one and the same) to find ways not to engage in the more difficult proposition in the #2.

There is absolutely no reason why people who would not vote for Obama should oppose opening that larger discussion about race, any more than supporters of Obama should avoid discussions about our history of gender-based oppression and discrimination.

It's too bad that Hillary Clinton hasn't delivered a speech of this magnitude on the path women have traveled that has culminated in her historic role in this election. Long-standing cultural gender bias has certainly been a factor in this cycle.

Hillary supporters should urge her to cease reacting negatively to the bias and actually take it head on as Obama has with race, because our country needs to have that conversation as well.

Personally, I don't know whether this speech helps or hurts Obama politically, but it was brave of him to step on that third rail with the platform and profile that he has.


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I am a rabid Clinton supportor!!!

And Obama's speech ranks up there in the top five great American speech's of all time.  He was magnificent in thought, delivery, timing, execution ... all of it.  Utterly brilliant!

I know of one Republican that was moved by the speech ... my Mother in Delaware.  She and I both may end up voting for this remarkable man in November.


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Um, folks ...
Blacks are a smaller group than Latinos, and Latinos are growing much faster. Do a word search on Obama's speech. "Latino" appears twice. "Brown" as reference to skin color appears twice. For both words, they appear in lists, mentioned in passing.

It speaks volumes that no one in the major media, or the Democratic Party, or the Republican Party, has mentioned Obama's mere token mention of Latinos in his speech. He analyzed racial issues in purely black and white terms.

Now look at the three largest states in this country: California, Texas, and Florida. In each of those states, which is the largest minority group? How well does that group get along with black people?

Now look at the Republican heir apparent. He's an immigration moderate. Now that the Democratic Party has guilt-tripped itself into a 30-year-old definition of the racial divide, it seems to me that the path is wide open for McCain to come riding in on a (pardon the pun) white horse and reclaim a boatload of Hispanic votes put in jeopardy by the Republican anti-immigration fever.

Obama made a serious mistake by ignoring Hispanics in that speech. No one has recognized it yet, but that's a sign of how out of touch this country's political nomenklatura is with ground-level realities out there beyond the talk shows and Internet blogs.

Mark my words, Obama's difficulty on race is not so much with whites as it is with Hispanics. Just wait. You'll see.

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Why
Obama spoke to the deep historic divide between black and white in the country.  he wasn't ignoring Latinos, he was talking about what the real chasm still is.

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The speech was about race
Considering that the reason for the speech was what some percieved as a Black preacher putting down a race of people who are all White, and given the long history of race problems between Whites and Blacks in this country, and the fact of Obama's heritage it makes sense that the speech focused on White and Black people.

But on a larger scale, the speech was about and can be applied to race as a whole in this country.  Obama clearly said that we should open up conversation about race, and see why different groups feel as they do.  This doesn't exclude anyone, and implying that talking about Hispanic's more than Black people doesn't make any sense, and totally goes against the idea of including everyone and not acting like one group has more rights than another.

Obama has spoken about the backlash against Hispanics many times.  For example, at the debate in L.A. he refused to pander to an e-mail that wanted him to blame Hispanics for Black men losing their jobs.  He pointed out that Black men were being under and unemployed long before Hisapnics came along.  And just like in his speech, he said that pepole should look at the real root of the problem, such as education and jobs being shipped out, instead of scapegoating other groups.  

Polls have shown Obama doing well with younger Hispanic people, just like he does well with younger White people.  This can probably be attributed to perceptions about race, and if these people won't analyze their prejudices, then there's not a lot Obama can do.


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This Speech
Obama might have "spoken about the backlash against Hispanics many times," but he did not do so in this speech, which was not just about his minister but also about "race in America." If you read the text, in this speech Obama defined the racial divide in America as a matter of black and white. I think that was a significant mistake in an otherwise eloquent speech.

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he just received Bill Richardson's endorsement
And he was moved by the speech and saw it as inclusive.

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Ourr Race Problem IS A Black-White one
I've heard the comments about 'what about Latinos' and as an African-American I'm not insensitive to it.  In my home state of Texas there used to be signs hung up outside of many establishments back in the day, especially in South Texas that stated 'No N-----s or Mexicans'.

But the point I want to make is that the Black-White racial problems predates the founding of the republic. It has its roots in slavery, has been America's original sin and the post-traumatic effects of slavery and the subsequent Jim Crow racism African-Americans werre subjected to fuel much of the animus and anger that African-Americans have toward whites in this country.

We must tackle the drama between Blacks and Whites and get that solved because it has been deferred and ignored for far too long.

 


Barack Obama's Race Speech..
Pam --> I just wanted to thank you for sharing your insights and reaction to the speech.  I watched it live and it brought tears to my eyes at the very end when he repeated that story about Ashley and the older Black man.

Overall, I was struck by the depth of the speech and Obama's willingness to talk as an adult to the voters.  He showed himself to be a remarkable leader ... once-in-a-lifetime leader, if you will.

Now we see responses from folks like Pat Buchanan that cause me to be ashamed of the state of race relations in America.

I'm not sure where the discussion will take us ... but, Obama did his best to lift us up in this discussion ... as you do here on your blog!

peace, Villager


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