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The LCR election post-mortem continues the delusions about a pro-gay McCain

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 09:00:00 AM EST


Watching this organization flounder during the 2008 presidential campaign has been like observing a train wreck in slow motion. No matter how the Log Cabin Republicans tried to spin it, the man its party nominated for president, John McCain, expressed open contempt for LGBT rights even as he shook hands with LCRs and called them "my friends." The party continued to cleave to the bigot demographic all the way.

You'd think a public reality check would be in order, but unfortunately, it's not the case. Patrick Sammon, who is stepping down from his post at LCR:

"We had an election that didn't turn out as we hoped, but we had a progressive, pro-gay nominee, and the tenor of the campaign was 180 degrees different than four years ago," he said. "We've unquestionably made progress in four years, and I'm proud of the work we did."
Please help me out here -- what progress has been made to moderate the party? Marriage amendments were still supported and passed. Adoption ban in Arkansas...passed. Their nominee picked Sarah Palin who is loved by the professional Christian set.

I'm sure that there is slow change occurring at the state and local level, but what is driving that isn't coming out of DC or the LCR. It's the cultural change -- more people coming out of the closet and bringing anti-LGBT discrimination out into the open so it can be debated and challenged. One thing the LCR is right about is the need to broaden the GOP.

"There is a unique opportunity for Log Cabin to play a role in the redefinition of the Republican Party," he said. "Log Cabin has a critical role to play in that discussion, by pointing to places where candidates were successful, like Gov. Mitch Daniels in Indiana, who won with a campaign that was conservative fiscally but not socially. That's what we hope to advocate, and we want to try to engage the party in that dialogue."

Sammon said the GOP needs to "get back to the basics" to coalesce party members in the move forward.

Bob Kabel, chair of the D.C. Republican Party and a longtime Log Cabin member agreed, saying that the "party is obviously doing a lot of self-examination."

"I think that Log Cabin can be very helpful with that examination," he said. "There are so many candidates Log Cabin has supported over the years who have been inclusive rather than exclusive, and who have had successful careers. Log Cabin needs to continue to make the case that you win by broadening the party."

I just don't see what influence the LCR has had to wrest the Republican Party from its dependence on the fundamentalist, under-educated and bigoted base that we saw emerge in public as the McCain mobs. These people do not want a big tent GOP. They are stuck in the past, in denial, and looking to silence anyone who  doesn't agree with their worldview.

The party will never draw the Independent voters if it continues down the path it did in 2008.  

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Oogity-boogity
As Kathleen Parker so aptly described, the GOP is at the mercy of the oogity-boogity wing of evangelicals. There was no chance that a President McCain would have been able to even remotely be a "maverick" or "progressive" when it came to gay issues. And his choice of Governor Glossolalia (R-Alaska/Crazytown) would have put this country and our people in severe peril.

The real explanation
I've gotten to the point where I believe that LCR (as distinguished from LGBT folks who either (1) are sensibile enough to actually recognize the occasional aberration of a non-christianist Republican and be willing to consider the possibility of voting for such a person under some circumstance; or (2) believe that what used to be known as Republicanism could have been a viable outlet for LGBT political concerns if it still existed as a party) is nothing more than a weird politico-S&M perversion.  Somehow, the people who publicly express - and publicly profess to believe - excrement such as:
we had a progressive, pro-gay nominee, and the tenor of the campaign was 180 degrees different than four years ago
do so for some brand of bizarre sexual jollies that I don't even want to try to envision.  

>^..^<

Yay Progress! >cough<
So Pro-gay now equals LGBT people being "An intolerable risk?"

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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Sorry KatRose
Didn't mean to post that as a reply. I thought I hit "Post A Comment"

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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That's OK
I was just wondering what you were responding to in my comment :)

>^..^<

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Now I'm Sure Of It....
Patrick Sammon is on dope.

"We had an election that didn't turn out as we hoped, but we had a progressive, pro-gay nominee, and the tenor of the campaign was 180 degrees different than four years ago," he said. "We've unquestionably made progress in four years, and I'm proud of the work we did."

Just because McCain didn't make gay marriage as part of his platform doesn't mean his homosex-obsessed entourage which includes Dobson, Perkins and LaBarbera weren't yapping away about it directly behind him.  

Good riddance to Sammon, and let's hope he goes off to rehab soon.


Don't forget the shots
he took at us at the convention. He said something about judges legislating from the bench and housing being the modern civil rights issue.

Fetch my pearls, I need to clutch them!

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and lets not forget
That when McCain was making VP selections and he was considering two pro-choice candidates and the fundies were upset, that his response was "better pro-choice than pro-gay, and pro- other things"

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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Forgot about that
He also said he didn't believe in gay adoption, wasn't sure if condoms stop the spread of AIDS, threw a hissy fit if his clothes looked "too gay", and of course supported all of this year's anti-gay initiatives. Did I leave anything out?

Fetch my pearls, I need to clutch them!

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It's quite simple
Please help me out here -- what progress has been made to moderate the party?

In four years they managed to bring the Republican party from a President who pushes for a federal anti-gay marriage amendment to a President who pushes for state anti-gay marriage amendments*.

* This is the LCR definition of "Pro-gay".


Since the economy is rather crap
Most GLBT organizations are cutting back, maybe LCR needs to shut down their federal office and try to work within the states for the next five years.

Recruit and train state legislators to change the tone of government, work on bringing forth more inclusive legislators in all fifty states.

Not all Democratic party legislators are for equality, take a look at New York State with two dissident state senators. NY LCR has done a better job than most of the LCR chapters. We do need pro-equality legislators in both parties to neutralize opposition in either party.


More serious comment-- my theory:
This, I think, is the key to actually understanding the behavior of the LCRs: The LCRs are not concerned with LGBTs, nor are they concerned with LGBT Republicans*. They are concerned with the "Log Cabin Republicans", the actual political organization. As such, they don't care about policies, or issues, or messaging; what they care about is how does this politician treat the "Log Cabin Republicans" as an organization?

And John McCain furthered the Log Cabin Republicans as an organization: He did nothing for LGBTs as a Presidential candidate, and would have done nothing for LGBTs as President, but as far as the LCRs, the organization, went, he gave them access-- and that's all they're really interested in. McCain met privately with the head of the LCRs; he invited the LCRs to attend the RNC convention in St. Paul, something which I don't believe they'd formally done in previous years (?).

Because the LCR representatives speak in code where "pro-gay" really means "pro-LCR" and "inclusive" means "included our staff", the fact that McCain tossed a few scraps which relatively speaking progressed the stature of the LCRs as an organization within the Republican Party causes the LCRs to describe McCain as "a progressive, pro-gay nominee", etc.

* To be absolutely clear here, when I refer to "LCRs" I'm referring to the people who actually work for and with the Log Cabin Republicans, not gay Republicans or gay McCain supporters; what I'm saying here is I don't really think the LCR is representative of gay republicans as a whole.


Good point mcc......

There was a comment by the originator of Join the Impact on 365Gay news the other day. She was desciribe as the orgainzer of the group... and a commentor below lambasted the editor for calling JTI  'an organization.' That it wasn't a REAL LGBT organization...  

We are all going Huh??? Like who cares, and how do Organizations start, but from a needd at the grassroots...and Really what did the REAL LGBT Organizations do about PROP H8 anyway.... NADA, NOTHING!

So, if you do need an Organization try sending $$$ to the Stonewall Democrats...at least I think they are a bit more connected with reality. 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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..sorry 'bout typos...happens when I get emotional.
I will try to Preview! Promise.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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tis Ok, Doc
We all still love you.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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"Log Cabin is over $150,000 in debt"
I'm not linking to the source (Gaypatriot), but you can find it on page 2 if you dare visit that nuthouse:

It seems there is more going on behind the scenes as well.  One of my very reliable LCR Board insiders tells me a shocking fact:  "Log Cabin is over $150,000 in debt."


I can understand a gay fiscal conservative
but not a gay republican.  It's like being a Jewish republican vs. a Jewish conservative.  Political beliefs or not, how can you vote for those who either hate you, or depend on voters who do?

I cannot understand a fiscal conservative voting republican
especially if you've been involved with currency issues, after the eight years of "print and spend" economics that led to the credit and currency drought that brought this situation about.

Aside from that, I swear that the LCR's are just being obstinate at this point and devoid of any sense of reality. Or, it could be that these old neo-mattachinists, who have a disdain for the "lefty liberal Lesbians" as they frequently refer to us, just don't want to be on the same side as us...

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


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That's Exactly What It Is
It's similar to Beverly and Tim LaHaye's gay son allegedly being the person behind Concerned Women for America, and who got it all started financially in the first place.

They believe when the fundies come after the gays, it excludes them because they're "not like those gays".  

Well, I got news for them....to these kooks, a queer is a queer is a queer.


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