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About The "Real Life Experience" and Detransitioning

by: Autumn Sandeen

Thu Feb 26, 2009 at 00:15:00 AM EST



Note: I originally posted this piece last October on the news that Christine Daniels detransitioned back to Mike Penner.

A week ago last Tuesday (February 17th, 2009), Jossip apparently just caught wind of this story, and then mainstream publication USA Today did their own story on Penner's detransition story. Now, Querty, OutSports, Joe.My.God, and Towleroad (among others) posted their own pieces which highlighted the Mike Penner-to-Christine Daniels-to-Mike Penner story.

So, with the reheating of this detransition story in the mainstream media and LGBT blogosphere in the past week, I thought it best to repost this story to help explain why people transition.

In this piece I use the term unsuccessful to describe a Real Life Experience (RLE) -- a transsexual transition -- that concludes in a detransition. Successful and unsuccessful are the terms used by World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) professionals to describe how a patient concludes an RLE. A successful RLE is one where a transitioning person essentially continues living in their target sex after a year; an unsuccessful RLE is one where a transitioning person detransitions to their natal sex. I'm not using the terms successful and unsuccessful as value judgments for what the best outcome is for any particular RLE.

This is very a personal story to me. The USA Today story includes a picture of Mike when he was presenting as Christine  -- it was a photo taken at the National Lesbian & Gay Journalist Association (NLGJA) convention in 2007. That is the event where I met Mike. I spent that weekend hanging out with a group of trans journalists who included Ina Fried, Mike Penner, and me. The loss of the personal and professional friendship I shared with Mike still weighs pretty heavily on me.
~~Autumn~~


Some days I hate my job at Pam's House Blend, and this is definitely one of those days. I really need to explain what the Real Life Experience [(RLE) -- also referred to as the Real Life Test (RLT)] is and why some transsexuals detransition...And, this is because the person I met as Christine Daniels is apparently detransitioning (also called retransitioning) to Mike Penner.

Basically, I need to separate the personal from the professional when discussing how detransitioning fits into transsexual experience -- a sometime component of transitioning sexes -- and yet on the very personal level I wish it weren't at the impetus of someone I've known and care deeply about that's leading me to discuss the subject.

But life is what it is.

So, the first thing that needs to be explained is exactly what a real life experience is, and where detransitioning fits into the real life experience.

[Below the fold: excerpts from the Harry Benjamin Standards Of Care on the "Real Life Experience"; comments by a gender therapist on detransitioning; and some reasons why transitioners sometimes detransition.]

Autumn Sandeen :: About The "Real Life Experience" and Detransitioning
Page 17 of the Harry Benjamin Standards Of Care For Gender Identity Disorders says this about the RLE (emphasis added):

The act of fully adopting a new or evolving gender role or gender presentation in everyday life is known as the real-life experience. The real-life experience is essential to the transition to the gender role that is congruent with the patient's gender identity. Since changing one's gender presentation has immediate profound personal and social consequences, the decision to do so should be preceded by an awareness of what the familial, vocational, interpersonal, educational, economic, and legal consequences are likely to be. Professionals have a responsibility to discuss these predictable consequences with their patients. Change of gender role and presentation can be an important factor in employment discrimination, divorce, marital problems, and the restriction or loss of visitation rights with children. These represent external reality issues that must be confronted for success in the new gender presentation. These consequences may be quite different from what the patient imagined prior to undertaking the real-life experiences. However, not all changes are negative.

Parameters of the Real-Life Experience. When clinicians assess the quality of a person's real life experience in the desired gender, the following abilities are reviewed:

1. To maintain full or part-time employment;
2. To function as a student;
3. To function in community-based volunteer activity;
4. To undertake some combination of items 1-3;
5. To acquire a (legal) gender-identity-appropriate first name;
6. To provide documentation that persons other than the therapist know that the patient
functions in the desired gender role.

Real-Life Experience versus Real-Life Test. Although professionals may recommend living in the desired gender, the decision as to when and how to begin the real-life experience remains the person's responsibility. Some begin the real-life experience and decide that this often imagined life direction is not in their best interest. Professionals sometimes construe the real-life experience as the real-life test of the ultimate diagnosis. If patients prosper in the preferred gender, they are confirmed as "transsexual," but if they decided against continuing, they "must not have been." This reasoning is a confusion of the forces that enable successful adaptation with the presence of a gender identity disorder. The real-life experience tests the person's resolve, the capacity to function in the preferred gender, and the adequacy of social, economic, and psychological supports. It assists both the patient and the mental health professional in their judgments about how to proceed.  Diagnosis, although always open for reconsideration, precedes a recommendation for patients to embark on the real-life experience. When the patient is successful in the real-life experience, both the mental health professional and the patient gain confidence about undertaking further steps.

So, what's supposed to happen when a transitioner has a unsuccessful RLE is that the transitioner detransitions.

I had an appointment with my own therapist, Patricia Wojdowski, L.C.S.W., on Wednesday. While at the appointment, I asked her some questions regarding detransitioning, and asked if I could post her responses at Pam's House Blend.

I actually was kind of surprised at Patricia's answers. Basically, in her long practice with trans clients (she's been involved with studying and treating transsexuals and other gender variant people since the mid-seventies), the single commonality for all of her detransitioning clients has been that external pressures were the impetus. All of her clients who have detransitioned still considered themselves as having a gender identity that didn't match their natal sex, but external pressures -- issues such as inability to find employment, biases and discrimination in the workplace, an inability to find appropriate housing, conflict with friends and/or family, etc. -- are why the RLE is evaluated by the client as unsuccessful, and the client decides to detransition.

I know there are other reasons than the ones my therapist cites. Sometimes the reason is relating to faith, where one becomes an "ex-transsexual" or "ex-transgender" (the trans equivalents to "ex-gay"). Sometimes it's because the person really isn't a transsexual, and an unsuccessful RLE catches them before they experience transsexual regret. Since my therapist doesn't practice conversion (or reparative) therapy, she wouldn't see those who are detransitioning for reasons of faith. But, it is interesting that in all the years of her practice, she's never seen a transsexual who has detransitioned due to because the detransitioner has figured out that he or she really wasn't transsexual -- all of her detransitioners have detransitioned due to external pressures.

So, back to our impetus -- is Mike Penner detransitioning from Christine Daniels because he's under external pressures, or is it because he figured out during his RLE that his gender identity really wasn't female? Honestly, I have a guess, but I have no real idea.

The bottom line is that when a person begins a transsexual transition -- especially a very public transition -- one trades one set of problems related to having a hidden, real or perceived gender identity that's in conflict with one's natal sex for a completely new and different set of problems. That new set of problems often include difficulties related to housing, employment, and public accommodation --basically just dealing with others' biases and discrimination -- family issues related to one's spouse/ex-spouse and children, as well as having one's peers, friends and family still seeing you as either still a member of your natal sex instead of your target sex, or as a member of some "third gender" rather than as your target sex.

Detransitioning may relieve most of the transitioning stress, but at least in the case of male-to-female transitioners who detransition, one can't go fully back to one's previous life. Prior to transitioning, most are fairly closeted about having cross-gender identity and expression issues. When detransitioning, one's peers, friends, and family -- and in Mike's case, the sports community audience he writes at the Los Angeles Times for -- know there are at a minimum gender expression issues. In other words, since in broad society most can't tell the difference between a male-to-female transsexual, a drag queen, a crossdresser, and an effeminate gay man, a detransitioner going back to a male expression of public gender is going to be perceived as if he were gay because of the time spent living as female; basically the detransitioner won't fully regain his heterosexual privilege.

Transitioning is hard; detransitioning is hard. My warmest thoughts are with Mike -- I wish him the absolute best.

~~~~~

[Note: LenaD has a related diary entitled The road not taken on the same subject as this diary, but with a somewhat different take. ~~Autumn~~]

~~~~~
Further reading:
* Transsexual regret
* A Warning For Those Considering MtF SRS
* Can One Be A Transgender Christian?

~~~~~
Related:
* Christine Daniels Retransitioning Back To Mike Penner
* LA Times' Penner: "I am a transsexual sportswriter."
* Check out LA Times sportwriter Christine Daniels' transition blog (Autumn note: The blog is gone.)

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I wish Mike the best as well,
  Only he knows the reason why he detranstioned and it is his descission on whether or not to disclose that informaton.  

 Given that, I have also known people who start and stop their transition for family and job related reasons.  It s known how difficult famly can be.  My own experience tells me that many face what I did, a successful day during transition was a sad day for them.  I remember the first day I went full time. Every place I went I was called miss, ma'am and even you dumb bitch. (Traffic related road rage)  That whole day I was on a high, only to come home to share my successful day and have it shot to hell as my family took it as another point passed the return.

 I also know a girl whose wife set a limit on just how far she could go before the threat of divorce became real.  2 years of HRT makes somethings grow and that makes it hard to hide the transitioning fact.

 The fear I have for many people who have an unsuccessful transition is suicide.  Their are no statistics on this.  I know I attempted suicide many times because the family loses that looked to be ahead on the horizon.  My parents praying for the 'Cure' or silver bullet as they referred to it.

 As you mention, transitioning solves many problems and at the same time creates others, some unknown until one begins transition.

 Autumn, I have read most of your posts and I know you consider Mike as a dear friend.  All I can tell you is I had a friend that began to transition. we became very close.  She dropped out of sight one day and I never knew why.  I spent a few days worried about her, as did a few other friends we shared.  A week later we did find out she was OK, but had decided not to transition as RLT was to difficult.  A friend from the transgroup brought up an analogy.  Sometimes the best way for a drug addict to quit the drugs is to walk away from the people they hung around with.  Not saying that we are drug addicts.  She had to stay away from everything trans.  She ran back into the closet.  Maybe one day she might call me up or E mail me.  She has changed her number and E-mail address, but mine has stayed the same.  It sucks losing a very close friend this way, but it happens, and all we can do hope the best for them.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


The only one who has a say in it is Mike
I'm a scientist. The bias in my worldview is to look for numbers, things that can be measured. That's not always the best way to look at things, but it does for me.

The biology tells me that "male" and "female" are really good approximations. 59 times out of 60, everything lines up, everything matches. No need for a "gender spectrum", it's a hard binary. 59 times out of 60.... but not 60 times.

There's two clusters, but between those two, things aren't so clear. Even within the clusters, people are more or less "typically masculine" or "typically feminine". And it's not just one-dimensional, women can be more "typical of the female norm" in some areas, and less typical in others. The norm is that no-one is "normal", "average", "typical" in every respect. It would be indeed "abnormal" if they were.

If you add sexual orientation into the mix, insisting that "typically masculine" means gynaphillic, exclusively sexually attracted to females, the 59 in 60 is more like 55 in 60. Maybe less.

We're starting to get a good handle on neuroanatomy, how it relates to instinctive or natural behaviour. We know that the brain is at least as sexually dimorphic as the genitalia. Two main clusters. But within those clusters, things vary, different parts of the brain and different parts of the rest of the body can be more or less typical. There's also some plasticity in some areas, less in others, and some areas are hard-wired.

Mike has "gender issues", or he wouldn't have attempted transition. Whether Mike is more accurately described as a neurally feminised man, or a bodily masculinised woman is a difference more of degree than kind. For those outside the two typical clusters, such labels are really only approximations, and may be very bad ones.

Has Mike found out that he's more accurately described as a man after all? That's rare, but it happens.  Will Mike try transitioning again in the future? More common, but again, it may not. The thing is, my opinions and guesses don't matter. Only Mike can say what's best for him, and even he has had difficulties with that. Transition is hard even for those for whom it fits, all it can take is one rape or threat of rape, one parent saying "I will die if you continue", and it can be too hard, even if it's the right thing to do.

Some transition and take to the target gender as if they were born for it. Which they were. Some attempt transition and find that they're just as uncomfortable in another stereotype that doesn't really fit, and find a niche as androgenous, a mix. And a few tragically find no comfort anywhere, nothing fits, not male, not female, not andro (both male and female), not neutrius (neither male nor female).  

Some Intersexed people are the same way, most fit in one or the other of the two clusters, regardless of how atypical their bodies may be. About 1 in 10 have "gender issues", and many of those transition. But some are able to find a different way, 3rd sex, or andro, or neutrius. A few never find a place of rest.

I don't care what Mike eventually ends up looking like on the outside, or whether he ends up presenting as Mike or Christine. I just hope that he finds a place of balance, a place of comfort.

I hope that those who are in the 59 in 60 if merely gay, or 55 in 60 if straight, find this useful. I've been there, so to speak.

I'm Intersexed rather than Transsexual, but I played a male role for most of my life, because I looked male. So TS is close enough. I transitioned, and was fortunate enough to find that I was far more typically female than I thought before. It's comfy where I am, natural at last. The relief is indescribable. I'm still a tomboy, a geek girl, not girlie at all. But me at last. I hope Mike finds his place, just as I found mine.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


Thank you Autumn
I know that I appreciate the sensitivity and focus you bring to the Blend's coverage of T issues. So much of the LGB community is undereducated, or worse, apathetic to the complexities of the T experience. We all grow from engaging these topics as a community, no matter how rough the terrain might be.

You're very, very welcome.


-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


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Christine Daniels and Mike Penner
It is interesting how all the writers in the popular press are assuming (without evidence) that Mike Penner is pre-op.
I guess that is because it fits preconceived ideas about the RLE in spite of admission that therapists have heard of no case of people going back for "realization regrets" only for inability to cope (mostly financial and abuse).

It very well be that Mike Penner sought surgery but not social role but was forced to go through with RLE to qualify for surgery. There is no indication that Mike Penner's situation is the least bit unsuccessful even though the psychopathologizers delight in calling regret-free de-transitions just that. If is interesting how the uninformed public and the informed writers alike both make assumptions about the genitalia presumed to lie concealed under clothing. And it is a sad commentary on society that job worthiness is judged on that same basis.

We simply don't know about Mike and Christine, suggestions that the RLE/SOC working in this case a mere speculation and self-fulfilling wishful thinking.


Thank you Autumn.

Your article last fall was good, This one is good. 

But I was thinking as I read down the article and the comments, and being heterosexual and therefore outside either 'problem,' e.g. the gay one or the transexual one,  ..  although the words are different  coming out vs transitioning the problems can be the same..  

Well, duh! I guess since both are gender related that is why T's fit so well into  the GLBT group. Please keep us A's there too. We support you all the way.



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


You too are very welcome...

...And I'll continue to try to argue for as much diversity -- as much inclusion -- as is possible.

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


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Societal Pressures…
...are the hardest part of my transition. My family and friends all have been accepting. It is the strangers who feel that they have to make snide comments or as in the case last night the kitchen staff all seemed to have to do something around my table all the while staring at me.
I think that we are all programmed to want to be accepted and it is very hard to admit that we are an object of scorn or haltered by some people. I can understand why some trans-people detransition, the constant giggles and stares, and the occasional being damn and going to hell wears on you.

I had to write a paper for class on the Aronson's  book "The Social Animal" (2004) and what hit home for me was,

"People have a powerful need to belong. Acceptance and rejection are among the most potent rewards and punishments for social animals, because in our evolutionary history, social exclusion could have disastrous consequences..." (p. 27).


My entire family has absolutely rejected me
(except for my 4-year old grandson, thank goodness for the innocence of children).

I am still unemployed as my credit rating continues to sink and foreclosure looms.

And yet... fuck all the external pressures. I would rather die than go back to that dismal prison of maleness. I really mean it. I have finally gotten to be who I am. I will not trade that for anything in the world.

Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls


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