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NC: lobbying black legislators during the Day of Action was an eye-opening experience

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Mar 26, 2009 at 09:00:00 AM EDT


April 8, 2009: Welcome Durham News readers! My column on Equality NC's Day of Action was the Cliff Notes version -- it was hard to boil down all that went on into 650 words for the newspaper, so dive in here for a look at the original blog entry. Also, click over to the front page of the blog for more. Also: since this column was written, a bill to add sexual orientation and gender identity and expression was introduced in the NC House, "Nondiscrimination in State/Teacher Employment" -- HB1049), and Rep. Parmon as well as other members of the black caucus are among the co-sponsors. As I mentioned in the comments, it's not all or nothing with these lawmakers, which makes the issue complex. Comprehensive sex ed, and the anti-bullying bill, for instance have not posed a problem, but the marriage issue has tripped them up, and religion, as expected, is a hurdle that must be cleared.
It was a wonderful sunny and crisp day in Raleigh on Tuesday, and there was a great turnout for the Equality NC Day of Action. It drew 250 people from across the state -- that more than doubled the attendance at prior lobby days. We had people come from as far away as Duck (that's on the Outer Banks) and to the mountain town of Hendersonville to meet with the legislators to discuss pro-LGBT legislation in the queue and to urge them to oppose the marriage amendment. (ENC):
"We are thrilled to see so many North Carolinians, both LGBT and allies, who took time off of work to travel to Raleigh and make do the hard work of building support for fair and equal treatment of everyone, regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity," said Ian Palmquist, Executive Director. "We know that face-to-face conversations are the single most effective tool we have to get more legislators to support our issues."

 

It was my first time participating in the Day of Action, and it was also the first opportunity for longtime activist Mandy Carter. We got together with other black LGBTs and allies in attendance to meet with members of the legislative black caucus. Things got very interesting during those meetings. More on that later.

We decided to ease ourselves into the day by visiting allies first, and then take on the folks who needed persuasion. Our first meeting was with Rep. Sandra Spaulding Hughes (D-New Hanover, Pender). Yes, we are related somewhere on the family tree, but we met for the first time on Tuesday. She's a retired educator and former member of the Wilmington city council and is a strong advocate of comprehensive sex ed for students, and supports the statewide Healthy Youth Act legislation (HB 88/S221). In an interview with QNotes last year, Rep. Hughes stated that she opposes the marriage amendment and supports the anti-bullying bill, the School Violence Prevention Act (HB548/SB526). The latter has a good chance of passing this year, as it came thisclose last time around.

We also met with Rep. Paul Luebke (D-Durham-30). He's actually not my state representative -- mine is Rep. Larry D. Hall (D-Durham-29), who was not available on lobby day.  When our group met with Rep. Luebke the Non-Discrimination in State Employment bill had not been filed in the House or Senate, but on Wednesday SB 843 was introduced in the Senate by Charles W. Albertson and was sent to Judiciary II Committee.

SECTION 1.  Article 7 of Chapter 120 of the General Statutes is amended by adding a new section to read:

"ยง 120-32.04.  Legislative personnel nondiscrimination policy.

The General Assembly shall not discriminate in any of its personnel policies, practices, or benefits on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or disability."

...SECTION 5.  G.S. 12-3 is amended by adding a new subdivision to read:

"(14)    'Sexual orientation.' - The phrase 'sexual orientation' means actual or perceived heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality, or a person's gender-related identity or expression."

The co-sponsors are Bob Atwater, Doug Berger, Julia Boseman, Daniel G. Clodfelter, Eleanor Kinnaird, William R. Purcell, Josh Stein, David F. Weinstein. Senator Bob Atwater (D-Durham-18) is my state senator. We also stopped by his office for a visit; he has also been on the good side of all LGBT legislation so far.

It's time to clue you in on what happened when we met with some other members of the legislative black caucus -- you won't believe it. It's below the fold.

Pam Spaulding :: NC: lobbying black legislators during the Day of Action was an eye-opening experience
It's one thing to talk about the disconnect between some black lawmakers who don't "get it" that LGBT issues are social justice issues, but to see it play out in person, even with a legislator who votes with us on issues, is really disturbing. We stopped by the office of Rep. Alma Adams (D-Guilford). As I said, she's been wonderful on the issues -- supporting the bullying bill, comprehensive sex ed, and indicated that she would consider supporting the anti-discrimination bill once she had a chance to see it, since it has not been introduced in the House. However, there was a very strange dynamic going on. In most of our meetings we let members of our group who were the actual constituents of the lawmaker take the lead in posing questions, since ultimately, they work for them.

In this instance, the constituents in our group were a young white gay man and woman who asked Rep. Adams about her positions and thanked her for her support. Mandy Carter and I, and at least 4 other black LGBTs were present when the constituent asked how to address those members of the black caucus (Adams is the chair) who are in favor of the marriage amendment. Specifically,  the young man asked if she would be willing to speak with her colleagues about the issue.

The answer she gave was pretty astonishing. The three reasons given:
1) The amendment "isn't going anywhere" (Speaker Joe Hackney has buried it in four committees in the House, and on the Senate side it is buried in a committee that hasn't met since 2001), therefore there isn't any point to discuss it with those caucus members;

2) we (meaning those of us there) should lobby those black members who are for the amendment, it's not her job to do this;

3) With several black LGBTs standing right there in front of her, Rep. Adams actually said "your issues are not the black caucus's issues" -- as in social justice for black LGBTs is not their issue. I was directly next to the constituent and stunned into silence; we all were. I presume she hasn't received the memo supporting the right of gay and lesbian couples to marry from NAACP national board chair Julian Bond and President and CEO Ben Jealous of the NAACP.

"The NAACP's mission is to help create a society where all Americans have equal protection and opportunity under the law, said President Jealous. Our Mission Statement calls for the 'equality of rights of all persons. Prop. 8 strips same-sex couples of a fundamental freedom, as defined by the California State Supreme Court. In so doing, it poses a serious threat to all Americans.

..."The NAACP has long opposed any proposal that would alter the federal or state constitutions for the purpose of excluding any groups or individuals from guarantees of equal protection," said Chairman Bond.

In fact, the NC black legislative caucus web site says this:
Justice - Assure equal protection under the law for African-Americans, other racial/ethnic minorities, the mentally ill and the poor.
I guess that means "except if you're black and LGBT." We were rendered invisible, nonexistent. It took your breath away to see how ingrained the thinking is regarding visibility of black LGBTs. Even Mandy Carter, who's dealt with social justice issues of all kinds her entire career, was taken aback.

So, a lot of work needs to be done, even among those who are our allies in principle. It's pretty clear Rep. Adams doesn't want to lead in any type of advocacy on this area to bring her colleagues along, but is fine with personally voting in favor of LGBT issues. Honestly, I expect this is true in many cases -- a lot of legislators would prefer the amendment bill stay buried so they don't have to talk about it, or heaven forbid, cast a vote.  

Our last stop was the most challenging one of the day -- a member of the black legislative caucus who supports the marriage amendment, Rep. Earline W. Parmon (D-Forsyth). She is a supporter of the Healthy Youth Act, and I believe she is in favor of the bullying bill. But on marriage -- her story was all too familiar. Our group of black LGBTs was standing right there as the questions were delivered by her constituents in the group (who happened to be white). The conversation was quite uncomfortable, but respectful.

Why is she in favor of the marriage amendment?

1) Because it's a "personal issue" for her.  Her constituent pointed out that she is in the office because the voters in her district sent her to the General Assembly to represent them, not her personal feelings about legislation. That led the lawmaker to move on to the next reason...

2) "I'm a minister." She made it clear that she didn't want to have to disclose this bit of business, but since #1 didn't work out very well, this was the next hurdle to put up. I thought I was going to erupt. Thankfully I was at the back of the group near the door. The constituent, to her credit, challenged her on the issue of church-state separation, but Rep. Parmon wouldn't budge. Trying to have a reality-based conversation with someone who feels so strongly  that there is no line between the two is like hitting a wall.

One of the black LGBTs with the group, in order to try to connect by humanizing the issue, told the story of friends of hers, a lesbian couple raising a child. One of the mothers is dying of a chronic illness, and in North Carolina there's nothing to legally protect them as a unit -- any will drawn up can be challenged by a homophobic family member, custody could be in jeopardy, and obviously there are myriad issues that are in play because of the lack of any kind of legal recognition.

Rep. Parmon was visibly moved by this story, but you could tell it left her in a quandry. That led to explanation #3.

3) " I'm not against anyone, one to one". She said this several times, as if to suggest that she's only protecting marriage by favoring the amendment, but is sympathetic to the concerns raised by the story of the lesbian couple. It's the classic "I'm really not a bigot" defense. No one wants to have that label placed upon them. Unfortunately that led Rep. Parmon to ramble into territory that was perilously close to civil unions without saying those words specifically. The problem, even if she only supports some limited legal recognition, is that the marriage amendment she supports says:

Marriage between a man and a woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this state."
That means no civil unions, no domestic partnerships, nada. It's written so broadly that even private company benefits offered to "same-sex spousal equivalents" could be jeopardized. If Rep. Parmon supports some kind of way for that lesbian couple to protect their family unit if one passes away, she's negating any possible solution by supporting the amendment.

I passed forward an information sheet with the language of the bill on it so that she knew that we knew that none of the above reasons were adequate defenses for adding discrimination into our state constitution. The fact sheet was left on Rep. Parmon's desk.

Afterwards we all commented how hurtful it was to be rendered "less-than" to our faces by this respected lawmaker, who, if she stepped into a time machine that took her only a few generations back in time, couldn't marry a person of the same race (because blacks were property, not full citizens), let alone someone of another race -- and the bible was used to justify that. She looked at the people in her office in the eye and said that she "respects you as a person", but would, without any guilt, vote to ensure you aren't equal in the eyes of the law. It was painful, just painful.

I asked one member of our group, TaMeicka Clear of of PFLAG Out Like Us, to give her impressions of these eye-opening encounters.

Pam Spaulding: Can you tell me what the experience was like speaking with some of the legislators today?

TaMeicka Clear: It was extremely interesting; it was my first time, doing something like this. A lot of them were very friendly, and engaging. I was very shocked to hear from one of the black caucus members that LGBT issues are not a black caucus issue or a black issue.

PS: What was particularly shocking about that? I happened to be there and saw that there were several people of color standing there when she made that statement. What do you think that meant?

TC: That had to have been the most shocking part about it. I was standing directly behind her, schooching in as close to her as I could  possibly get to overhear her...it was extremely disheartening and quite disturbing for her to say that to myself and to other black people that were standing next to me. I really did not understand.  I don't know what that meant, to be honest.

PS: Do you think there's a way to bridge that communication gap? Because one of the things she did say to a constituent who was standing there was that she wasn't willing to speak with any of the black caucus members who are for the marriage amendment, and told that constituent that he should speak to them instead. Do you think that is problematic?

TC: I think that is extremely problematic. I also understand that it's probably how politics works as far as that is concerned. They apparently do their best not to step on one another's toes. But it is problematic. There needs to be some sort of camaraderie between them when they disagree or agree with one another, especially when they are representing a majority.

PS: What do you think might be the most effective way to change the minds and hearts of these legislators who are not on our side on all of the issues?

TC: Definitely one thing to do would be to show up and show them that it is a black issue, and to just be consistent and show up in large numbers...and I can't stress consistency enough.

PS: What message are you going to take back to people who weren't able to come today  that you're going to meet with and debrief about this?

TC: That this extremely necessary. There is a large misconception that this isn't necessary, that this is not important. That these kinds of things are not our issues as far as black people are concerned. So I will take it back to them that this was said to me, I heard it with my own ears and it is an issue for us, and it is extremely important that we all show up and speak.

There is a large misconception that we don't have a voice -- we do. And I saw some of the shock on a lot of the legislators' faces today to even see as many black [LGBT] people as there were present. So we need to be more present and visible, period.

PS: And on another visit we did speak with another legislator who raised the issue again of religion as a reason to support the marriage amendment. How did that make you feel?

TC: I am a Christian, and so there's a large part of that I just think is backwards. It's backwards teaching, as well as there should be a sincere separation between church and state, and it's very clear to me that it isn't. As much as we say there is, there isn't (for some legislators), and it's ok, and it's an unspoken truth.

I think the day taught us all a valuable lesson that spending "face time" with lawmakers to share our stories is essential, and for black LGBTs it's critical -- it's not an option to be rendered silent and invisible. Mandy Carter and I, as well as others in the group, left committed to return to the legislature to engage with these lawmakers who have been able to cling to the fantasy that people of color do not exist in the LGBT rights movement.

Thanks to Equality NC for setting this up and prepping all of the citizen lobbyists.

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Wow, that's stunning
I'm glad you guys did that, but it sure shows how much work there is to do.

The only wedge I can see with politicians like Parmon is to have LGTBs tell her their stories, face to face, over and over. She is highly motivated to think of herself as "a good person" and a "good Christian", and showing her how her policies hurt real people may be the way to get her to change.

In the case of Adams, I join you in gasping. It may be that she thought the non-white members of your group were there for "show", as Uncle Toms supporting a white-centered agenda. Perhaps having non-white LGTBs doing most of the speaking to her will help her see otherwise.

You guys have a lot of guts -- I really admire you all for doing this.


If LGBT issues are not a concern for a given caucus...
...then said caucus should not support an activist cause that would jeopardize the civil rights of others.

Voting for an amendment such as this, to codify discrimination into the state's constitution, is an activist undertaking.  

Hate stops a beating heart.


How troubling it can be,
  My feeling is you made an impact on everyone you talked to.  you put a face for the congress critters to vision.  Our true stories are very effective because they are very real.  It is great that you atleast had the chance to meet with them.  Keep up the great work,

 And lets hope the Hate Amendment dies again in committee.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


THE ANNUAL BLACK CONFERENCE.....

Not too long ago, in California, no less, Tavis Smiley moderated a panel of African American leaders in church or religion, academia and politics.

Heck, even RNC Chair Michael Steele was there. Now, ask me the obvious question? Did they invite Dr. Gomes of Harvard Divinity School, or other lesbian and gay men of similar background?  The answer is a resounding "NO". Any discussion of Prop H8, NO NOT ON YOUR LIFE....

 Did they discuss President Obama's new association away from the liberal UCC ( it includes of course, the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright and the once MCC now UCC Cathedral of Hope megachurch in Dallas, TX ) to the archconservative black megachurch preachers?

  As a clergyman who saw Bishop Gene Robinson snubbed by his staff, I am waiting with baited breath to see which AA-led and populated Christian church/denomination that the Obama family joins in Washington DC, if any?

 Did they discuss the " down low " phenomenom in African American culture? Did they discuss the new black gay affirming churches? The answer is a resounding "NO".

 But, hey, they invited Michael Steele.

Now, in many state legislatures, blue or red, the African American Democrats are ConservaDems where LGBT issues are concerned. Yes, we have the Dr. Joseph Lowery's and the beyond the grave quotes of the MLK family.....but you also have the Reverend Bernice King, daughter of Martin and Coretta, who is a right wing homophobe unlike her siblings.

 In NY, three ConservaDem state senators block same sex marriage in the first "Democratic majority state Senate in decades." They are minorities.

  Thank you, but my radical eyes and my ears, have been opened and honed for a long time........



Thank you for doing
what I cannot do.

Rep. Adams
I am that young gay man constituent that Pam was talking about in reference to Rep. Adams.  I was just as stunned as Pam was, and even more  so in the fact that when she dismissed it as a non-issue for the caucus, I tried to interject and say "But there are African-American LGBT people in your--" and I was cut off.

I was very surprised by Rep. Adams and the way that she dominated the conversation.  Going into the meeting, I thought I was speaking with an ally, and coming out of it, I was quite unsure how I felt about her.

On a personal level, I traveled from Greensboro to Raleigh that day in a specific effort to meet with her (and Sen. Katie Dorsett, who was wonderful to speak with).  Not only did Rep. Adams not invite us into her office (we met with her in the hallway), she was almost forceful and demanding in her tone, and didn't seem very interested in actually having a conversation.

This is why I plan to follow up with a phone call, and can hopefully speak with her more.  As a young gay white man, I can only do so much to convince Rep. Adams that there are African-Americans who are directly affected by these anti-gay bills, and I encourage any people of color to speak with her as well:

Alma.Adams@ncleg.net
919-733-5902

Thanks, Pam, for writing about this. It was great meeting you!


thanks, Wes - and people need to get active
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your comments about the meeting. It was a surreal experience, but it was enlightening to see the tension play itself out in very the halls where laws that affect our lives as tax-paying LGBT North Carolinians are made. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get to work.

If only we could get as many people to show up to meet their representatives as we could amass for a rally about Prop 8 in Raleigh. There were about 1,200 people at that Join the Impact rally last year. To double attendance at this Day of Action at this event is great, but think of how many more elected officials could have heard personal stories if those 1200 people showed up on Tuesday.


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Persistence rather than Quantity
I think it is more important to keep the pressure on with continued events than it is to try to have every rally, protest, event, or meeting live up to the number of people that turned out to one specific protest (I think the police estimates had it at about 1,400+ people - but just looking at that number ignores the other protests at many cities across this state and the Equality NC Conference that was going on in Durham at the time)

I know I didn't attend the Day of Action because I was busy setting up for my wedding reception which is happening tomorrow in Chapel Hill (I was married earlier in the month in Boston)

Wedding Pics here:  =)
http://www.new.facebook.com/ho...

But we have a packet of stuff from Equality NC to give out to everyone tomorrow (I haven't gone through it all but I think its fun stuff like temporary tattoos & static clings, but also post cards people can sign & mail & maybe brochures too).  I'm sure it'll be the first gay marriage event most people who are attending will have ever been to, it'll be mostly comprised of North Carolinians, and there will be around 130 of them.

I think if we keep trying to reach that same number for every event then we are setting ourselves up to feel like every event is a failure, but if our goals are to keep events going, to keep our struggle in the minds of the citizens of North Carolina, and to keep the pressure on the legislature of North Carolina then that is a very real and achievable goal.

Next up:
The Same-Sex Kiss day is coming up on April 15th:

http://www.new.facebook.com/ho...

http://www.samesexkissday.org/


[ Parent ]
I agree
My point is that I truly believe there is a slice of people who would rather attend a rally, hold signs and make noise than actually contact or meet with their reps -- it's simply not as "fun" as participating in a protest. That doesn't mean there isn't value in public demonstrations by any stretch of the imagination, it's a question of how to make meeting with your legislator as appealing. They are companion pieces to advancing a cause.

That's a general conundrum regarding citizen political involvement anyway -- we need more people to attend city council meetings, see their state reps, etc. Those kinds of things simply do not draw the numbers a well-publicized action event does.


[ Parent ]
Thank you and all the rest Pam
for standing up and showing OUT!

[ Parent ]
Agreed
I'm a self-professed rally-lover, even speaking at the Prop 8 rally in Greensboro, but even I can't deny the power felt through those meetings on Tuesday.

Even the meeting with Rep. Adams, however I feel about it, allowed me to meet her face-to-face, and it laid a foundation for a relationship to be built.  I can't say enough how important that is in transforming hearts and minds. I feel more comfortable now than I ever have before to call her up when something is important to me, or send her an e-mail when I want to let her know what I'm thinking.

I was totally energized by Tuesday, and I'm excited to be working with Equality NC to try to find ways to harvest that protest/rally energy into actually getting people in their legislator's office or on the phone with them.  It can be done, and it will!


[ Parent ]
Peronally, I would have told Parmon...
"I believe in The Bible, too. Wait here while I go to my car and get my shackles. I'm taking you home with me to do my cooking and cleaning. You can forget about being called 'Earline', your new name is 'Miz Thing'. And, you better be here when I get back or my husband will give you a beating with his crowbar you'll never forget, if you survive it."

That is no more hurtful than what Miz Thing said to her constituents.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)


Disagree, Perhaps Respectfully
I know that the tactic on lobbying day is to dialogue, but when someone blatantly lies to my face, I have a hard time thinking that they have any interest in doing anything other than preach at me. So when Rep. Parmon said "I'm not against anyone, one to one," I would've HAD to say "Oh yes, you are. Because you are one person, and I am one person, but YOU have the power to vote to deny my civil rights from me, and I do not. And you've just said that you will. So you are against me. Me, standing right here in front of you. This isn't about some nebulous concept or a political position, this is you sitting there, looking at me, and telling me that you don't think that I am your equal. So yes, Rep. Parmon, you ARE against me and I'll thank you not to sit there and look at me and lie to my face. I know that's what politicians do, but I'm not having it."

I'm all in favor of people telling their stories, and trying to inspire change by being examples, but sometimes? The bigots need to be directly and unflinchingly called out on their bigotry, their lies and their bullshit. And it's time that starts happening. When someone looks at you as another human being in the flesh and is happy to tell you that you are lesser than? There's no reason to be diplomatic any more.


big assumption
You make a big assumption:

That she's read and recalls the legislation word for word. One of the training points Ian conveyed is a lot of them don't know the details about a given bill. Rep. Parmon may not have read it (or she may have) but she was left the facts about the bill so that when her constituent follows up in person, via email or phone, there doesn't have to be that benefit of the doubt.

She was challenged by her constituents, and it was clear that she was shaken. It's not necessary to come in with emotional guns blazing to make a serious impression (and trust me, most of us had to hold back what we were feeling). Discussing an issue with a legislator who opposes your viewpoint is clearly not the same scenario as engaging with a garden variety rabid fundamentalist screaming epithets during a demonstration.


[ Parent ]
But you must make a serious impression.....
Don't let them off the hook. I agree with you Pam that it is 'essential' to spend face time with your lawmakers. It is an enlightening experience. The first time I lobbied Congress I was stunned at some of their indifference. Just the challenge of getting past their aides was frustrating. But we must be persistant. They are not getting off the hook that easily. They are in office and their sole priority is staying in office. You have to challenge them, otherwise they are comfortable in their explaination and you will go away.
I urge all members of my LGBT family and supporters to e-mail, fax, call and visit your lawmakers. Once you do it, it become easier and easier. It is time to make our voices heard. "This is our time....."

Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving."
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
" It is time to make our voices heard. "This is our time....."

Yes, this is STONEWALL 2.0.  Well, I am sure Pam is forming a new scenario for the next Lobby Day.  According to what I have read, it is important that you let the representatives constituents have the face time with the legislator.

But, prior to the meetings you can hold get togethers and bring constituents who themselves are not cognizant of all points of view up to snuff. Also, practice with them to respond to probable rejoinder remarks. 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Exactly
But don't wait for the next lobby day. Follow up now. Let them know we are not going away. Last week when I met with lawmakers they did have some questions and needed additional information. I have prepared the information and studies and will stop by and see them next week. Plus don't underestimate the lawmakers aides, they are the ones that advise, so chatting with a legislative assistant can be as effective.  

Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving."
-Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
Mandy Carter and I
Are working on a follow up to this "project" with the folks who were part of our group because we realize the gravity of the situation. These well-organized fundies have infiltrated too many black churches to align people who are otherwise voting Dem on many issues to go far-right on LGBT rights issues, and we have to stop the bleeding now.

I'm also frustrated by all the black LGBTs who will party in a safe space (as in socially uncloseted) on the weekend, but are unwilling or unable to come out to effect change because they've developed a comfort zone within that closet.


[ Parent ]
I've become a believer in lobbying one's elected officials...

...because lobbying has the potential of educating both the constituents and the elected officials.

Thanks for sharing this, Pam. I imagine Rep. Adams isn't going to like the information in your report about her tone and comments to your group, but just as you were educated about her feelings on black, LGBT people by visiting the hallway outside her office, she no doubt will be thinking about her educational experience black LGBT people, as well as about the effect of well known citizen journalists that hold her expressed views on her constituencies -- such as the African-American, LGBT people like you -- to the light of day.

I'm imagine today she's already finding that the reporting by a well known citizen journalist is leaving her feeling little less than comfortable.

-----
~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


ABSOLUTELY, Autumn.....

I just would like to have seen Pam trying not to open her mouth!.. Well at least once she could sit and type... She could let it out!  

 

Thanks PAM for the great report!! 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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You know, there is an article
on huff post by Byron Williams where I debated with other black (presumed) straights about LGBT issue, including marriage equality. It is so disheartening and frankly, so disgusting, that some black legislators and other in the African American community just really don't see even basic LGBT issues like hate crimes protections for LGBTs as AA isuues. One person on huff post even suggested that I should be able to "pass" so that I could be covered under the existing hate crimes protections on the basis of race.

Nice suit
Umm, isn't Rep. Adams wearing a suit and tie in that pic? I'm not sure if there is something in Leviticus specific to gender attire, but being from the south, I do know many conservative 'holiness' churches forbid women and girls from wearing pants and makeup. It's interesting Adams played the "I'm a minister" bit because a verse comes to mind; 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve."

If she was really following the letter of the Word, she would not be a minister. There are many churches including the Catholic Church that limit the role of women because of that scripture. It seems it's ok to use what the Bible allegedly says about homosexuality, but the passages that apply to straight Christians are conveniently overlooked.

I think visibility of people of color is so crucial to those who don't 'get it', and showing up to lobby is a great accomplishment to that end. I met Mandy Carter many years ago and she is one of my heroes.


the other lawmaker was the minister
It's interesting Adams played the "I'm a minister" bit
Actually, that was Rep. Parmon who tossed out that card when the discussion got too close for comfort for her.

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gotcha
Parmon...my bad.  

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Thanks so much for lobbying and reporting, Pam
Your description of the experience reminds me of a Dr. King quote, don't remember which piece it's from, about the goal of his movement being to increase tension on the issue of civil rights.

There's obvious cognitive dissonance on the part of anti-gay legislators (by no means just the black ones) and I think this kind of lobbying helps because it ratchets up the level of tension, forcing them to connect the abstract platitudes with the people in front of them.

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As a practical matter, it's great to have this kind of published description of what it was like so that other LGBT people can better imagine what to expect and can feel more confident in making a visit to their own legislators.  Nobody has to wait for an organization to sponsor a lobby day.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto


More from my thoughts on the day and Pam's report
As noted by those more studied than me, there has been a deliberate attempt by the white religious conservatives to make allies with black religious conservatives, and LGBT issues are exactly the starting point they use.

In the North Carolina legislature, this has manifested itself noticably over the past two years.  Last year, the only two new Democratic House co-sponsors of the marriage amendment were two black Democrats (the white conservatives have been on board for years already).  Rep. Parmon from Winston-Salem was one and former Rep. McAllister was the other (she barely lost her primary in a safe Democractic district near Fayetteville because of alleged financial misdeeds).  

This year, the new Democratic co-sponsors of the marriage amendment in the Senate are three black Democractic men, all in historically Democractic districts.  Interestingly, one is Senator Larry Shaw, also from Fayetteville, who is the chamber's only Muslim member.  As before, the white conservative Dems who are signed onto the amendment, have done so for years.

If this trend holds and is not countered, this is a very real problem for the prospects of passing LGBT positive legislation in NC.

As Pam noted, even Rep. Parmon is supportive of the anti-bullying bill (she's a co-sponsor of that bill) and comprehesive sex-ed.

But there is a more visible disconnect over the past two years on the marriage issue than has been visible before.

The answer is an ongoing conversation.  In one of the videos above, Ian Palmquist mentions the evolution of then-Senator, now Lt. Gov. Walter Dalton on our issues.

Another example of the value of a continued conversation with your legislator is Senator Charlie Albertson who Pam mentions is the lead sponsor of the state-level ENDA in North Carolina.  In the mid-90s, he was a co-sponsor of the statutory DOMA, but now, he's a leader on LGBT issues.

The continuing conversation strategy is a good one that does work.  No matter where you are or who your representative is, keep the conversation going.


So how do we divide them?
How do we divide the (closeted but undeniably) racist white christians from their newest crop of running dogs in the black faith community? We all know that white christian hate groups would happily see Jim Crow laws reinstated. How do we get them on record as SAYING it, so we can use their own words to break their religious hold on black faith communities?

Once again, it's not necessarily race; it's christian hate and the money it generates that is our problem.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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try meeting the legislators
in small groups in their district offices.  or better yet, invite them into your home to meet with a small group of neighbors or allies in the district.  sitting on your couch, hearing your story, will make an impact.  also, having a meeting out of eyeshot of other legislators and staff may be scary for some, but a relief to others.

just a thought, but next time you go, everyone take a 1-page picture and bio to leave with the legislator saying why, in personal terms, the legislation is important to you.  it's best if the picture shows you enveloped by friends and family, to make the point that you're a valued part of the community.

as far as i know, every single black legislator in the mass. legislature voted to kill the anti-equality amendment.  and in fact, two of them, sen. wilkerson and rep. rushing, helped lead the charge to defeat it.  another, rep. st. claire, was a new rep of who literally was shivering when she spoke on the floor because she "knew" her constituents would toast her for her pro-equality vote, and what was worse, her mother had told her she would disown her.  guess what?  she got re-elected.  i never heard more about her mom, but something tells be they got beyond that bump in the road.  i'm saying all this because i wonder if it would be useful to try getting some of our black legislative allies from other states personally in touch with your legislators.  or at least, you all having their stories so you can relate them to your legislators.  just a though.

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Your experiences on lobbying day
might almost have been written by someone in Pennsylvania.  We have heard the same rubbish from many of our state senators and representatives for years.  Plus one additional line that large numbers of them parrot: "There are no gays in my district."  That seems to be the beginning and end of the discussion, in their minds.  I have heard state reps say this directly to their gay constituents!

My own state rep is Joe Preston, a terrific black legislator who is on the right side of every issue I care about, and my state senator is Dan Frankel, the hero who introduced the non-discrimination bill this session and is a longtime friend of our community.  So at lobbying meetings, I usually sit back and let the constituents of more backward pols do the talking.  But with politicians from outside the metro Pittsburgh and Philly areas, the AFA's talking points are just about holy writ.  

Things are changing slowly.  It looks like the non-discrimination bill has a fair chance of passing this session.  But it's an uphill fight against bigotry and ignorance, and it won't be over anytime soon.


I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


Let me paraprhase my new hero
I don't see how you can tell me that it is OK to be gay, and it is, and then tell me I can't have the same rights you have. That makes my classmates wonder what's wrong that I don't have the same rights they have.

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Thanks for this, brave & self-controlled
There's no way I could contain myself in the face of some of those comments, since I actually am beyond the place where I want to anymore.

So I leave the ambassadorial work to those with a more temperate temperament. Younger and smarter, usually, and still capable of being shocked by the bigots' ability to look us in the eye and explain that we are not fully American humans. Usually, it's God's fault.

I would hurt the cause by yelling over dismissive insulters so I choose other ways to help the cause. Thank you again, all of you, for doing this and documenting it so well for others to repeat in every statehouse and federal legislative office.

Life and liberty are not more important than equality, and without it are worth less.


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