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Rick Warren lies about his homobigotry on Larry King Live

by: Pam Spaulding

Tue Apr 07, 2009 at 07:22:30 AM EDT


UPDATE: Here's the video, courtesy of Crooks & Liars:

Saddleback Church mega-church pastor and the man who delivered the invocation at the President's inaugural, Rick Warren, went on Larry King last night and insisted, despite all the video footage out there of him on his anti-gay efforts, that he isn't against gays or same sex marriage. (!). Right. What was that about bearing false witness? From the transcript:

KING: How did you handle all the controversy that resulted about the president selecting you?

PASTOR RICK WARREN, DELIVERED PRAYER AT OBAMA'S INAUGURATION: Yes, you know, Larry, there was a story within a story that never got told. In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be.

During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

What? I can't stand it when these interviewers don't bother challenging outright BS like this statement! Witness Lie #1 - support for Prop 8:

Let's continue...

The week before the -- the vote, somebody in my church said, Pastor Rick, what -- what do you think about this?

And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is -- really should be defined, that that definition should be -- say between a man and a woman.

And then all of a sudden out of it, they made me, you know, something that I really wasn't. And I actually -- there were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out.

There were some things said that -- you know, everybody should have 10 percent grace when they say public statements. And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe. And I actually announced that.

All of the criticism came from people that didn't know me.

WARREN: Not a single criticism came from any gay leader who knows me and knows that for years, we've been working together on AIDS issues and all these other things.

I don't think anyone has to know you, Rick, if they know how to READ.
Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I'm not opposed to that as much as I'm opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I'm opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.  ...

What is it with these people -- fundies like Warren hate to be cornered on national TV being a bigot, even to the point of drop-dead, bald-face lying. The reason they can do this is because they know that a general-interest host will rarely be well-informed and have clips at the ready to smoke the lies out, and Warren knows a hell of a lot more people watch Larry King than saw that Beliefnet interview.

He continues trying to spin this, and flat out avoids commenting on the Iowa decision.

KING: All right. Do you, therefore, criticize or not comment on the Iowa court decision to permit gay marriage?

WARREN: Yes. I'm -- I'm totally oblivious to -- to what -- that's not even my agenda. My agenda is two things.

One, today is the 15th anniversary of the genocide in Rwanda. It's a national day of mourning, which I -- as you know, I've been heavily involved in -- in Rwanda and helping rebuild that nation and I'm very concerned about that.

Wow, it was certainly on his agenda when he was urging his followers to support Prop 8 to protect marriage from the homosexuals.

This makes me sick. Will Rick Warren ever be held accountable for trying to rewrite his bigoted history? If he's so confident about his position, why has he refused to debate it in public? Why did he try to back out of meeting with gay and lesbian families from Soulforce who were invited to his church?

Larry King's staff needed to click over to the Blend's Rick Warren file.

UPDATE: I just received this defense of Warren in my inbox:

Pam,

I am disappointed in your accusing Rick Warren of being anti-gay.  He appears loving gay people in fact.  Jesus Christ loves homosexual and heterosexual people alike.  Rick Warren is following the steps of Jesus Christ who is the Truth.   I follow Him as well.

In His Name,

Tim VB

I dashed off this:
Then why did Rick Warren support stripping the civil rights of married gay couples in California by endorsing Prop 8. That has nothing to do with religious marriage. Jesus never condemned homosexuality. He said nothing about the subject at all.

Rick Warren needs to read the Iowa court decision on the separation of church and state.

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Rick Warren
Have these people ever read the Bible? It describes lots of marriages that aren't between "one man and one woman." Not to mention Cultural Anthropology 101.  

Bearing false witness
What a chickenshit! I mean if you're against marriage equality, then you're against marriage equality, say it, stand on it, own it, be prepared to defend your position, and be done with it. I can RESPECT that, even if I don't like it.

The Magic Underwear people do the same thing with civil unions. the mo'mons say they support it then they campaign against it.  


In the days of old ...
And by "days of old," I mean ... oh, say, a few years ago ...

These folks used to wear their bigotry on their sleeves, like a big swastika, with pride and honor.  There's not a bit of me that likes or approves of Rick Warren, but I'm delighted that, for whatever reason, he sees the need to hide his bigotry where he thinks we won't see it.

And by "we," I don't just mean the queers, but the big, collective "we" that is "mainstream society" or somesuch.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem


Old Larry should learn from Stewart
Jon Stewart had video clips available - and numbered - for the disembowelment of his CNBC guest.  

We have passed through the looking glass, of course.  Stewart's show is aired on the Comedy Central Network and King's happy ending massage parlor appears on the Cable News Network.

We wouldn't want to confuse our entertainment with our desperate need for critical analysis, would we?

Thanks, Lar!  You just helped the country stay a little bit dumber today.  Maybe Obama will make a place for you in his cabinet.  


[ Parent ]
Helping the country stay dumb
is the MSM's job.  King was only doing what it says in his job description.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


[ Parent ]
Interviewers don't bother challenging .....
What do you expect Pam, this is Larry King, not Mike Wallace.

Larry King could interview Hitler and give him a pass !

Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. - Edward R Murrow




Tedious.
How do these guys seek to be a compass of moral clarity? The tide has turned faster than any of them could have suspected. It will entertaining to see how they try to backtrack. Fortunately, their opinions were recorded when it mattered most and history will not be kind to them.

Even Obama, I believe, underestimated how quickly this issue would turn. His "I just feel that marriage should be between a man and a woman" and his support of the separate-but-equal civil union becomes increasingly anachronistic month by month rather than year by year as he may have anticipated. I still feel that in his heart, he believes that I should have the right to marry my partner, whomever that person may be, but it will always disappoint me that he chose to sacrifice that belief in the service of political expediency. The lack of movement on Don't Ask, Don't Tell also disheartens me. His grand vision of equality for all will, sooner than he would have ever suspected, seem like hollow posturing.


Rick is Iowa-Damaged
He knows the tide has turned and he's lying his fool head off in order to stay in the spotlight.  

It's not a Church
It's a Cult.

For 3-1/2years I lived and worked in the area of Orange County where the Saddleback Church is located. All the people that go to this "Church" have that strange stare and perma-smile you find on cult members. I worked with some of them and one of the cult members came up to me out of the blue and told me she has to pray for me.

What is worse is how this cult ruins families. My best friend and roommate for three straight years has a brother that "Found Jesus" a few years ago at the Saddleback Church and he has completely lost his mind. What is worse is the horrible way he treats his own family because they don't go to his church with him and want nothing to do with his craziness. To give you an idea of how crazy he has become, here is an email he sent out to all my best friend's friends because she sent out an email with the work Karma in it. He even attacks his girlfriend's mother. This is what he wrote...

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende


the crazy email
   
"Good or bad there is no such thing as karma. We are not to do anything expecting something in return. People have free will. When people are living for God the Holy Spirit will speak to your heart and prompt you to do things, not to mention you should also care for your neighbor as if they were yourself.

   As far as bad karma, the Lord would want you to pray for your fellow man even if he has done you wrong. We are to forgive as He forgives us. If someone is doing something and the thought goes through your head, "You'll get what you have coming", we should look at our heart a little more closely.

   God will use people in situations, and God will answer prayers. Good people get put through trials probably more then people who don't know the Lord. He will test your faith and sometimes more than you can imagine (read the book of Job). Sometimes it takes for you to have nothing and to be broken down for you to come to the Lord for help. (picture yourself on a raft in the middle of the ocean, even if you don't know the Lord or believe, what do you think the first thing your going to cry out is?)

   Don't let "karma" fool you:

Karma
"act, action, performance" is the concept of "action" or "deed" in Indian Religions understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect originating in ancient India and treated in Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist philosophies.

   None of which follow the Christian faith.

   Want to hear something? My girlfriends mom is a Buddhist and she yells at her because I don't drive the newest car, own a home or wear the finnest clothes. I thank God for everything I have! She has all these things and she's extremely unhappy. She believes that karma is going to get herself into whatever heaven she believes in. She spends her whole life giving to the temple to impress others. I pray everyday for her to come to know the Lord and when she does it's not going to be karma that gets her into heaven. It's going to be God working through me praying for her to get to know the Lord."

Now is that crazy talk or what!

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende


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True.....it is a cult
Ricky provides "classes" for members (who have to sign an annual covenant contract promising that they won't share problems within the church with outsiders, among other things) which instruct people on how to argue against same-sex marriage/homosexuality.  Never have I met such opposition from my parents and my sister in my life since they attended these "trainings" (and we all used to attend Tim LaHaye's church!)  All the while my family members insist that Ricky doesn't really talk about homosexuality "that much".  Would have loved for Larry King to have questioned him re: his "Celebrate Recovery" Fri. night program to assist people in overcoming same-sex attraction, which treats being gay as an "addiction". But, no, Larry King is too infatuated with Ricky to confront him.

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Slick Rick
Pam, do a search on Rick's activities in Africa. I read recently his preaching promotes  (I hate to say) killing
of black homosexuals.  At least that is the message I received.  
As to Larry King, he is more interested in promoting Larry King.
Jim...California  

I think we can be more nuanced than they are; no need to twist his words
Rick Warren, went on Larry King last night and insisted, despite all the video footage out there of him on his anti-gay efforts, that he isn't against gays or same sex marriage.

I guess I could be reading this wrong, but what he actually claimed was
I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist
That is probably a fair statement when you compare him with the legions of his fellow Christians actively working against us.  And the real Christian crazies consider him practically an apostate for appearing with Obama and for espousing some of the causes he does.

I would say that Warren isn't an anti-gay marriage activist any more than Obama is a pro-gay equality activist.  


Analyzing speech and pronouncing lies
We all have a right to our opinion!  Let's look at what Warren said:

"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going."

Going to a Prop. 8 meeting, issuing a statement (like a public press release), giving an endorsement (your name appears on Prop. 8 campaign literature as an endorsement.)  OK, so if he did none of that, only addressing his own church crowd in that video you pull quote from, how does that make this a 'bald faced lie' to Larry King?  Come on, let's be real here.

Onto your Lie #2, Warren is being interviewed and starts to talk about a long time definition of marriage having extended back 5,000 years, and how he's opposed to having that redefined - when asked is incest or polygamy equivalent to gays getting married he said:

"Oh I do...you know for 5,000 years..." (and then he got right back into the impact of having all these various definitions of marriage erode what he believes has been a historical definition of marriage.)  In analyzing this, we'd be reticent to not look at that context.  You have to, in order to be fair.  Now in the King interview Warren clarified what he said this way, "And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe. And I actually announced that."

Now Warren clarifies that gays marrying (for instance consenting adults vs. pedophilia) are not EQUAL.  So before he was responding to equivalence relating to his comments on the '5,000 year old definition of marriage.'  Again context.  Later, having been criticized for drawing an equivalency, he states that he doesn't believe that those different things are equal, in and of themselves, and that he had made clarifying public statement about that.  

Now Pam, your quips about reading and such are fine...quite funny and true actually.  But let's be real about conversations and interviews.  Warren did not set out to lie to Larry King.  He's clarifying issues that he evidently has thought long about and moreso perhaps than some other evangelical leaders.

So I'd just say, give him a break and realize that human conversations have nuances and sometimes we need to clarify what we're thinking.  I'm sure you'd agree with that and about basic fairness.  

That said, I'm sure that you and Rick have your basic disagreements on human nature and what's good and not!  :)

I wish the best to you all here.

Seattle Bruce


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