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Giuliani now opposes civil unions

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 23:00:00 PM EDT


[UPDATE: Oh, it's wonderful...I have an update post that links to audio from 2003 of Rudy bragging about his support of civil unions. Busted. ]

Anything to get elected. I wonder how his gay friends (Howard Koeppel and his partner Mark Hsiao) who put him up in their pad while he was going through his messy divorce with Donna Hanover, feel about being sh*t on by Rudy. That leaves zero Republicans for any semblance of equality. (Raw Story):

In a major reversal from an earlier position, the political website of the New York Sun will report tomorrow that former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani now opposes civil unions between same sex partners.

An advanced copy of an article sent to RAW STORY shows that the New York Republican has backed off his earlier support for civil unions, prompted by the passage of a law in New Hampshire's State Senate.

"In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response sent to the Sun's Ryan Sager.

The NY Sun article is here. Rudy in 2004:
Asked by Mr. O'Reilly in the interview how he would respond to gay Americans who said being denied access to the institution of marriage violated their rights, Mr. Giuliani said: "That's why you have civil partnerships. So now you have a civil partnership, domestic partnership, civil union, whatever you want to call it, and that takes care of the imbalance, the discrimination, which we shouldn't have."
Wingnut Rudy's position now:
"Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman. Domestic partnerships are the appropriate way to ensure that people are treated fairly," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response to a question from the Sun. "In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it."
And the GOP called Kerry a flip-flopper...

Oh yes...and look what John unearthed.

I'm sure this will appease the bible beating right wing that he's courting as well. He can't hide his pro-gay past, but the fever of presidential wannabes in the GOP has rendered them delusional on core issues. They really believe the primary sheeple are stupid.

Meanwhile, in Giuliani's state, marriage equality is on the agenda:

Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to introduce a gay marriage bill in New York state is favored by almost two-thirds of the 1,022 respondents to a recent Crain's online poll.

About 63% of voters said they support a gay marriage law. If New York adopted the new legislation, it would become only the second state behind Massachusetts to legalize same-sex marriage.

Hat tip, PageOneQ.
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I'm sorry,
but I can't really be surprised to learn an attorney has found a way to passionately advance the opposite position from what he once held.

Is this news to anyone?
  The GOP has to go far right, their base has been saying so.  The problem is, people believe he has flipped!

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

Yeah, it's no flip
I dare someone to find a quote of him saying that same-sex couples should have all the rights of marriage.  He has always only supported equal protections, not equal rights.

[ Parent ]
Now Rudy say that when you aren't dressed as Marilyn
Giuliani has become really creepy since he decided to saddle up to Pat Robertson, but I guess that could make ANYONE really creepy. Rudy when you lose the presidency, I hope the gay men who gave you G*D DAMN shelter...spit right in your face...LOSER!

Yes!
I couldn't have said it better.  In your time of need, your gay friends were there for you, now you turn your back on them!  I hope you go down hard Rudy!

[ Parent ]
He's not turning his back
He supports civil unions, he supports equal protections, and he would presumably work to give his gay friends equal protections through civil unions, as he has always said.  But he knows that only a man and a woman should have a right to marry and procreate together.  Having a child together should not be a right of same-sex couples, only of the union of a man and a woman.

[ Parent ]
Saying Things to Get Nominated
Rudy is a big boy from a big city who happens to be courting the votes of people like Floyd the Barber and
Aunt Bee.  He now says he's for inequality, but don't believe it.  Just as when John Edwards says, "I'm not there
yet (on marriage equality)," don't believe it.  And WHATEVER Hillary says, don't count on it.


=>The truth usually isn't pretty. Don't blame me for telling it.<=

national level, they all change
  With the republican party, the further up the get, the further to the right they go.  That is my expiernce from where I live,

  Tom feeney, started out small town rep. than made speaker of the house of FL.  his ways of thinking changed there,

  Now in the fed house,  further to the right.

  Mel Martinez,  Small in Orlando,  was very center on issues,  Bush plucked him to Washington, he went hard right, ran for senate and won. 

  Sorry, the past of repubs being center doesn't make it with me when they reach the national level.

  As for Hillary, don't trust her as far as I could throw her.

  but between the two,  I will SETTLE for Hillary

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
Guiliani's position is weak
He portrays himself as being calm and strong under pressure, but he is gladly throwing the gays under the right-wing bus to get the GOP nomination. I am not surprised by this. You can't really appeal to the homo-hating Republican base if you don't smack the gays around.

What are the Log Cabin Republicans going to say about this?


I hate that guy.
Just more reason to hate Giuliani (not like there weren't plenty already). After the first suggestion that Giuliani was backing away from the pro-gay thing, I did a cartoon called "Fundamentalist Boot Camp With Sergeant Dobson" where Rudy gets jealous of Mitt's "evolution" on choice and LGBT rights and tries to catch up...

Not sure if his newfound gaybashing will help get Christian Right votes considering his sordid personal history, but his main campaign slogan is just jumping up and down and yelling "9/11!" over and over anyway.

------------------------------------------ Mikhaela B. Reid ? http://www.mikhaela.net


Lame
Giuliani's position does not even make sense. So civil unions that give all the rights of marriage are bad (so why hasn't he criticized either Vermont or New Jersey for their laws? I believe Connecticut's CU law is also the legal equivalent to marriage), and recognizing out of state legal arrangements are bad, but otherwise civil unions are okay? We should ask him what percentage of marital rights are allowable under his scheme - 90%, 80%? Or are there specific rights we should not have - adoption, inheritance, hospital visitation?

And why wouldn't a state want to recognize relationships entered into under another state's similar laws? That makes it easier for people to travel and move to a state, helping the economy. That sounds like good, old-fashioned Republican values, not the wishy-washy bigotry Giuliani's adopted.


Yes, we should ask him

Or are there specific rights we should not have - adoption, inheritance, hospital visitation?

Those aren't really rights of marriage - anyone can adopt, inherit, vist.

The right of marriage that same-sex couples should not have is the right to conceive children together, using the couple's own gametes.  That's probably the only right that he would say same-sex couples shouldn't have.  Same-sex conception is way too risky and needless and expensive, and opens the door to genetically engineered designer babies.

Civil Unions should be defined as being exactly like marriage except for not giving conception rights.



[ Parent ]
Sorry Rudy
you almost had consideration from me there for awhile. But now that you have shown me that you are just another typical Repub, I'm outta here!

New Hampshire
This flipflopping by Giuliani and Romney may help them in the primaries but it is going to be an albatross around their neck during the general election. They are now playing to a minority of the general electorate. I was surprised by my evangelical next door neighbor who told me he was considering voting Democratic the next time around.  He is getting pinched by prices, is unemployed and doesn't like what he is sees in Iraq.  At one time he was a two issue voter, abortion and gay marriage.  He is now getting impacted by all the other Bush disasters.

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