More hot air on hate crimes legislation from black homobigots

Black Wingnut?

This dude is seriously cracked. Does he really believe that his white wingnut puppet masters give a hoot about him or any other Black person? They are using him to publicly bashed gays while they stay out of the limelight and are spared the negative publicity.

I do have to wonder just how much is Bishop Jackson getting from this?

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by: Bloggernista @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:23:32 AM CDT

another photo op for Ken!

I don't know what motivates these people, but for some it has to be simply the need to get attention.  I see that Ken "had to go all the way to Latvia to be seen as Important" Hutcherson got in on the game.  Anything to be sure we know how important he is, and how much in control of our lives he intends to be.

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by: Lurleen @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:28:51 AM CDT

I wept when I read of Jackson's plight. Something must be done!

The muzzles must be removed from religious leaders!  This is a travesty of spirituality.  The Bible is quite clear about the wrongness of wealth.  Hell, that fallen angel with the Hell address tempted Jesus with wealth.  These poor, poor ministers just want to rail at the rich, with their multiple homes, while some Americans live on the street.  They want to urge the poor, little rich boys and girls in their congregations to shuck wealth and serve the poor, as the Bible commands, but impending legislation will prevent them from doing so.

Oh, wait.  I got that wrong.  They want to smear the queer and do so while wearing Calvin Klein underoos. 

Never mind.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:48:28 AM CDT

They are already muzzled

after what happened to Jesus when he tried it, most of them are scared silent. Yeah, that must be it ;-)

A few stanzas from my favorite Woody Guthrie song:

Jesus Christ was a man that traveled through this land;
A carpenter, true and brave;
Said to the rich, "Give your goods to the poor",
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

The people of the land took Jesus by the hand,
They followed Him far and wide;
"I come not to bring you peace, but a sword",
So they killed Jesus Christ on the sly.

He went to the sick, he went to the poor;
And he went to the hungry and the lame;
Said that the poor would one day win this world,
And so they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

When the love of the poor shall one day turn to hate,
When the patience of the workers gives away;
"Would be better for you rich if you never had been born",
So they laid Jesus Christ in His grave.

This song was written in New York City,
Of rich man, preachers, and slaves;
Yes, if Jesus was to preach like He preached in Galilee,
They would lay Jesus Christ in His grave

My brother tried to sing that in church, but they wouldn't let him.

What the hell was I doing in Oaxaca in 1992, on the eve of the Zapatista revolution?

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by: Cambridge Kid @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:03:05 AM CDT

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Yep, they killed Jesus for loving the poor and in their hearts,

alleged Christians who don't rebuke the wealthy keep Jesus hanging on the cross, suffering for their unflinching, unrepentant sin.

But let's not worry about wealth, gang, 'cause over here, there are some queers to smear!  Attack!  Attack in the name of the Prince of Peace!  Kill, kill, kill for the Christ!

CK, your brother is brave, and of course, they wouldn't let him sing that song.  The ministers want the moneys of the rich and the rich in the pews wants to clings to their moneys (I always channel Gollum when I think of the wealthy: it's the same dynamic, for they too want their precious.)  Seemingly luckily for fundies, they think they know the magic words for entry into Heaven.  It's as if they're all Saint Peters with the key to the Pearly Gates.  The "born agains" get in with no sacrifice whatsoever.  Hey, didn't that Jesus guy sacrifice a little?  Yeah, I think he did.  And to be a Christian, don't you have to follow the Christ?  Nah.  Not in FundyLand where one can hate gays and love big screen tellies. 

But who would walk to walk down the Christ's bloody trail when you can bloody up the queers?  The queers can suffer and bleed for your salvation 'cause, uh, they're not straight!  And they're icky.  Except for the porn stars who pretend to be lesbians.  They're hawt.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:15:16 AM CDT

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Loves ya Holly ;-)

It seems to me that spiritual awareness is achieved by breaking down old barriers, not reinforcing old ones. Even in Vajrayana Buddhism there is a tradition of "crazy monks" who follow all of the monastic rules for decades, then suddenly find enlightenment, break every rule, and go off into the country to help people.

Of course, our modern religious leaders are no monastics.

What the hell was I doing in Oaxaca in 1992, on the eve of the Zapatista revolution?

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by: Cambridge Kid @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:31:44 AM CDT

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Back at ya, Kid.

Many of the modern religious leaders are multi-millionaires, or, as they term it, they're blessed.  Just never you mind that the Bible says "to whom more is given, more is expected."  The person with more wealth must release more wealth and not as a tidy sum, but as a painful trial. 

One can see that people don't truly believe in God and the Bible as His inerrant word in their refusal to relinquish ALL THEIR wealth and trust in God, as the Bible commands.  They don't believe that God will catch them, therefore they either don't believe that God is even there or that God cares.  What a person says doesn't mean shit.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:39:22 AM CDT

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channelling gollum!

i love that!! 

The gays stole my lunch money

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by: matt in mpls @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:43:55 PM CDT

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Me pleases Master! Master good. Master not tricksey.

But the precious!  Master takes me precious!  It's me birthday present!

Yep, I'm good Gollum and bad Gollum.  Ain't we all?

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:03:33 PM CDT

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Still in slavery

If they want freedom then they should get rid of the imaginary master in their bible.  There are no kings in a democracy.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:15:49 AM CDT

Snopes -

the Urban Legends debunker - now has a piece up about the pending Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act that addresses the falsehoods of the AFA's Action Alert.  (It's at http://www.snopes.co... )  Now all we need is for some of the fundies to question the crap they're being fed by their "reverends".  Yeah, sure ... like THAT's gonna happen.

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by: Jami @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:20:04 AM CDT

I LOVE Snopes!

It's one of my favorite sites--I go all gaga over things like urban legends, superstitions, folklore, and funky anecdotes.  (With my love of anecdotes, I should be a conservative, but I have this little thing called a "conscience.")

And as much as these religious leaders like to hide behind their Bibles and cry their faith is being attacked, one would think they would worry about a little thing called "bearing false witness."  The Matthew Shephard Act has NOTHING to do with speech.  Of course, I think they realize that with all the hate they spit forth from the pulpit, one of these days one of their more impressionable sheep are gonna go out and kill a queer for Jeebus, and that will lead right back to them. 

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by: JoshWatermanMN @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:06:41 AM CDT

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AFA has posted response to Snopes

http://www.afa.net/s...

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by: RogernDC @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 22:04:28 PM CDT

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Ya know what I'd like to find:

a lucid fundy to answer some of my questions about the unfettered, unashamed willingness of alleged Christians to utterly ignore inconvenient passages in the Bible...and there's a locust-sized swarm of inconvenient passages that, if given wing, would consume one's home, clothes, and other comfies.  The Old Tyme Catholics had it right: life, based upon the Bible, should be about deprivation.  Of course, it was largely their congregations and their nuns who were deprived, while their cardinals and pope lived in palaces and their priests lived in fine rectories, but the Christ and the Bible do make a case for suffering.  However, in this age of BushCo, where we borrow from the Chinese to buy more of their products and where credit cards are tossed at kids and home loans are floated to folks who can't even manage a checking account, deprivation goes unsold, thus the need for the Divine Miss Other.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:48:30 AM CDT

religious statemenship

There is a GREAT article posted at The American Prospect by Sarah Posner exactly about the Rev Jack and the recruitment of black pastors by the Christain Right called "The Future of Anti Gay Activism".  (might need to sign up but well worth it...great progressive policy articles posted daily aat TAP).
http://prospect.org/...

One thing I read is that Rev Jackson got his MBA at Harvard.  Secondly that he's on the Board of the Family Research Council and has traveled the country with Tony Perkins.  More good detailed info of behind the scenes of the anti gay black church energies. 
Never knew about the Network of Politically Active Christains (NPAC) or the Douglas Leadership Institutie or Morton Blackwell's Leadership Insitute,or the Center for Christain Statesmanship... all training the religiou right in political action.  Funtamentalism is a political movement not a religious on.  When the Christain Right is correctly idenitfied in this way...makes it clear to see your way around it. 
Check out the ariticle.

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by: Karen in Kalifornia @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:14:27 AM CDT

Great link. Thanks.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:28:05 AM CDT

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Thanks Karen, These people are scarey,

  Shouting,"God's looking for a SWAT team ... he's looking for a team of Holy Ghost terrorists!" as he is, "recruiting soldiers for the next wave of anti-gay activism."

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:01:58 PM CDT

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handling discomfort with race on this issue

A commenter at Pandagon asked...

why is the modifier 'black' necessary for homobigots in describing Bishop Jackson?

My answer:

Because I am addressing a specific problem ? in this case it's representatives of an oppressed group (blacks) that have decided to join the oppressor (conservative white evangelicals who would have, back in the day wanted them at the back of the bus) in heaping organized hate on another oppressed group (LGBTs). The GOP and the white evangelical power structure have used faith based dollars to attempt unite the religious black vote behind anti-gay measures such as state marriage amendments. It's the discomfort about discussing race that has made many progressives shy away from calling these bigots out for what they are. I'm black and gay and I'm tired of these folks getting a pass because of "white guilt" or fear of being called racist. The religious right knows exactly what it's doing and there's largely silence on the other side.

A good recent example of this "outreach" was the Dallas mayoral race where the city had a chance to elect an openly gay mayor (Ed Oakley). The social conservative running against him (Tom Leppert) won handily in a runoff election by courting the religious black community, and his "friends" at the ultra-conservative Heritage Alliance Political Action did a series of a series of anti-gay robocalls in support of Leppert. Old tactics, new group to appeal to that should know better.

I then cited this spot-on snippet from The American Prospect article cited up thread (The Future of Anti-Gay Activism - The Christian Right is recruiting black pastors to make the case that equating gay rights with civil rights is an affront to African Americans):

To shield themselves, however disingenuously, against charges of homophobia and anti-gay bigotry, the Family Research Council, in particular, has courted conservative black Christians like Jackson to lead the charge that it is an insult to blacks to equate gay rights with civil rights. People don't choose to be black, the argument goes, but they do choose to be gay, and it's an affront to blacks (and to the black church specifically, according to Jackson) to suggest that gay people deserve the same civil rights protections.

As a political strategy, it doesn't come out of nowhere. The powerful political operations like Focus on the Family and FRC have, over the past several years, increasingly taken steps to recruit black followers beyond traditional white evangelicals (as has the GOP). Through preachers like Jackson, they can reach the audiences in the country's non-denominational, neo-Pentecostal mega-churches, which draw large black followings both in their pulpits and through televangelism, even when the preacher (Rod Parsley or John Hagee, for example) is white.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:45:57 AM CDT

Amen, Pam.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:14:50 AM CDT

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Never fails to amaze me

How a group who know VIVIDLY what oppresion by a Majority is like, would in turn another minority?

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by: underbear1 @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:09:55 PM CDT

error in previous post

Would in turn oppress another minority.

I think it's a matter of fighting for the crumbs from the table, neither of us got an invitation for the banquet.

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by: underbear1 @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:12:15 PM CDT

What can be done

To get the feds investigate these groups for racketeering? I think there is a case to be made since they are knowingly disseminating false information in order to raise money, which falls squarely within the usdoj definition of racketeering.

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by: Morty @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 15:50:05 PM CDT