Michael Savage: '[G]ay mafia bought the votes ... like cheap tricks in a gay bathhouse'

There are more women than men.

Should we, therefore, put it to a vote whether all American women are given 50% pay raises, to be paid by cuts in all men's wages?

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:05:44 PM CDT

unfortunately

...alot of women would vote against this....heaven's knows why but they would.

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by: Karen in Kalifornia @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:36:38 PM CDT

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but...

...don't you think most men of voting age would vote for it?  Maybe I'm just naively optimistic.

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by: SuburbanHomo @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:40:06 PM CDT

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Two words: Shlaf. Ly.

"heaven's knows why but they would"

There are still plenty of who believe the crap that Syphyllis Schlafly spewed while derailing the federal ERA - crap like an imagined absolute right to refuse to work - and still spews today.

Kat

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 15:43:34 PM CDT

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bully not getting his way?

maybe the citizens of this country should take a vote as to whether michael savage should be taken off the air and publicly flogged.  let the people vote!

The gays stole my lunch money

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by: matt in mpls @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:22:30 PM CDT

Yes, that's a much better example than mine!

Let the people decide! 

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:28:48 PM CDT

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like cheap tricks in a gay bathhouse

Not to be snarky but....having never been....I didn't think there were prositutes at bath houses.  I thought the tricks were free.  I don't think he knows what he is talking about.  If I am wrong on this, and people have to "pay" cheaply, please correct me.

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by: HDBiker @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:32:34 PM CDT

What do WE know?

He seems to have some insight into the bath house issue - maybe HE has been to one (or two, or three, ...?) ;-)

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by: rupi3000 @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:34:17 PM CDT

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perhaps

he is bitter because he feels he got jipped.

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by: HDBiker @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:45:02 PM CDT

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"the homosexual dance of death" is "the seminal issue of our time."

Pun intended?

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by: SuburbanHomo @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:41:01 PM CDT

Sorry--

I know I should take him more seriously and be outraged, but his vituperation is so over-the-top and so weird and so very out-of-date I started laughing.  "Bums"?  I haven't heard anyone talk like that since growing up in new York in the 50s and 60s.  He sounds like some muttering drunken curmudgeon buttonholing people who don't give a shit what he has to say, which makes him double his invective.  It's a very New York, but very old-time New York kind of rant.  And then it ends with something quintessentially prissy: "an affront" to vicilization.  Come on, Macho man, is that the best you can do?  Ya sound like a friggin' pantywaist. 

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:59:25 PM CDT

Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?

It is prissy prose. 

I imagine him as a fop, in a ruffled shirt with gloves in hand, more offended than any 14-year old drama queen, saying, "Good day, sir.  I say, 'Good day.'"

And then turning all hissy and prissy and prancing off to his prancing ponies.

Except, he manages to be both a fop and a coot.  He's a foop.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:08:39 PM CDT

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My theory

His rage would suggest a desire to use much stronger, much harsher language -- it is indeed peculiar for someone who seems to be practically convulsing with rage and hate to use a mild term like "bums" -- but such language (e.g., faggots, f*ckers, assholes, cocksuckers, etc.) would (finally) get him fired.  So perhaps he reverts to his New York roots to find words that won't risk his career.

I'm not holding out for any cure to his sociopathy.  Getting him off the air would require, I believe, the prospect of lost money to people (e.g., radio stations, advertisers) who make money off of him.

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by: KC @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:40:34 PM CDT

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Speaking of sponsors,,,

If you listen to most of the ads for talk radio, they had been usually no-name small companies, nothing big or mainstream.  That way, these hosts were insulated against boycotts because picketing against companies like AB Steaks wouldn't amount to a hill of beans anyway.

But lately, I have noticed General Motors sponsoring Rush and I believe Hannity.  This is disturbing to me, but it also presents opportunities for effective boycotting. Limbaugh, as we know, provides ample opportunity for people to be offended. We could use any one of these instances to handcuff GM into ending their sponsorship.

I am actually amazed union-heavy GM would advertise on Limbaugh. Also interesting to see is how Rush will handle discussion of unions in future rants.

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by: DonDigby @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 19:06:58 PM CDT

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WAY Too Interested in gay subject matter ....Wiener

Me thinks he doth protest TOO MUCH....ROFLMQAO!
Not that'd I want that sniveling little turd on our side of the street, any more than I want Rove or Mehlman...ick, ick, ick!

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by: underbear1 @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:02:47 PM CDT

He's just a big Weiner, literally

I mean, he's a jerk, but this over the top crap is posturing for attention. I mean, he has to look all butch and Savage, non? Not like the stupid Weiner he really is?

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by: ellipse @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:06:03 PM CDT

Savage is still hurting . . .

. . . because Allen Ginsberg dumped his skanky ass back in the day.

Seriously, if the legislature is full of "criminals," what criminal act did they commit?  Ours is a representative democracy.  The people decided the gay marriage issue indirectly by voting in people who would support the law.  We don't vote directly on gay marriage just like we don't vote directly on thousands of other laws.  Does this mean we get to vote directly on Iraq?  Such a vote would bring home the soldiers quite quickly.

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by: JoshWatermanMN @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:07:58 PM CDT

Little known fact

In Massachusetts the Governor, Speaker of the House, and President of the Senate (not to mention the rest of the legislators--that goes without saying) are appointed by a Board of Liberal Overseers.  We haven't had an election in the Commonwealth since the post-structuralist ruling class decided democracy was a bad idea--after Reagan's presidential win here in 1984.

It's true!  I swear!

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 13:47:58 PM CDT

Savage's sexual orientation is a matter of dispute...

Michael Savage

Michael SavageAKA Michael Alan Weiner

Born: 31-Mar-1942
Birthplace: Bronx, NY

Gender: Male
Religion: Jewish
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Matter of Dispute
Occupation: Radio Personality, Author

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Savage Nation

One of his books was a work of fiction called Vital Signs, in which the protagonist wrestles with his attraction to masculine beauty. "I choose to override my desires for men when they swell in me", Weiner wrote, "waiting out the passions like a storm, below decks." At one time, Weiner self-published his own zines featuring inflammatory pieces about gay sex at San Francisco bathhouses. He was apparently opposed to such things. But he was a friend of beat poet Allen Ginsberg, the very, very out gay author of Howl. In a 1970 letter to Ginsberg, someone signed Michael Weiner described a semi-erotic encounter he had had with another man in Fiji. Weiner says he did not write the letter, though the return address was in Honolulu, where Weiner resided at the time. Savage now describes his one-time friend Ginsberg as "latrine slime," and says that upon hearing of his death, "I clasped my hands together and prayed to God. I said, 'Thank you, God, for answering my prayers. One of the blights of the human race is gone.'"

Source: http://www.nndb.com/...

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by: Storm @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:25:32 PM CDT

Great Link, Storm

Get a load of Weiner-boy's list of published books.  Nutbar is all over the map.  Ecology in the 70s, nutrition through the eighties to early nineties, fire breathing right-wing fish wrappers in the 2000s.  He seems to put up a finger and see which way the wind blows, and since right wing blowhards make money for the time being, that's what he decides to be.  The man is a hack, plain and simple.

And Allen Ginsberg, "latrine slime"?  Weiner can only aspire to being that great.

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by: JoshWatermanMN @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:39:40 PM CDT

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Weiner is a demagogue. Ginsberg was a poet.

They're natural enemies.  Weiner is the hyena.  Ginsberg was the lion.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 15:15:01 PM CDT

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The voters

Like all crybaby Rightwingers when they don't get their way, his tantrum reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how this country works.  Things aren't always brought "directly to the voters."

We have a Republic, not a Democracy (well, we had a Republic: http://www.tomdispat...)
We have representatives and we don't always like how they represent, so to speak.  But we don't always get a direct say, and if people like Savage did, it would be a dictatorship of the trolletariat.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:26:55 PM CDT

"Trolletariat"

Love it!  I am so stealing that.  :)

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by: JoshWatermanMN @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:30:18 PM CDT

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nuh-uh

Ya gotta credit me with "as author Lev Raphael calls it" or some such.

Who knows, it could be my ticket to ride.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 16:52:08 PM CDT

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Me, too!

but that's why Lev is a professional writer, and I just write.

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by: Jami @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 14:40:54 PM CDT

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Writing/BSP

Jami,

Nobody "just writes"--writing is hard work.

Me, I like to think of myself as an author, after 18 published books in many languages, some of which I can even recognize.
Speaking of which, if Glenn Greenwald can push his new book on Salon (in a whole column), I can certainly mention my new mystery set at a luxurious health club where

FITNESS = DEATH

It's called Hot Rocks:

http://www.levraphae...

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 16:58:41 PM CDT

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I saw Greenwald pushing his book at Salon. Pretty brazen.

But Paglia does the same in every third paragraph.

I agree that writing is hard work.  It exhausts me.  Sometimes, to take a break, I go pound pavers for a patio.  No lie.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 20:57:36 PM CDT

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Wonderin'...

I'm just speculatin' here, but what if we just stopped talking about him when he writes or says anything about us? I don't mean this pejoratively at all. I just feel he's saying stuff to get a rise outta us so if we just turn our backs and hum a little tune, wouldn't he eventually cease being relevant?

And I mean everyone...Media Matters to HRC...just ignore the goon. I don't mean all of his ilk--Savage is not nearly as successful with his opinions becoming public policy like Dobby is.

I know he won't go away, but I'm just curious what would our lives be like if we just stopped responding to his antics.

Curses! My million dollar ideas foiled again: "God Bless Your Brand!" http://www.christvertising.com/

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by: TJ McFisty @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 16:14:40 PM CDT

If he were smaller potatoes, I would agree with you

However, he has the most listeners right after Limbaugh and Hannity, so I think he deserves scrutiny and criticism.  (I just wonder how many of those listeners are "true believers," and not people listening out of morbid curiosity.)

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by: JoshWatermanMN @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 16:29:15 PM CDT

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I wouldn't put much stock in the ratings...

...talk radio listenership is really quite small as far as numbers go, and they are just preaching to the choir, in any case.

BTW, on the subject of the post, it seems to me that Michael Whiner's outbursts are probably an outgrowth of him having consumed too much of his product when he was an herbalist.

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by: raj @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 17:16:12 PM CDT

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I would have to disagree that TR listenership is small

I really believe it has changed the political landscape the past 13 or so years.

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by: DonDigby @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 19:12:22 PM CDT

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Actually, the ratings show that..

...the audience for talk radio is something on the order of less than 5% of the radio listening audience, not exactly a huge number.  And the audience for conservative talk radio is not only something lower, but also older.  The audience for the main right-wing talk radio in Boston (WRKO) has median ages of 59 (male) and 63 (female).  Not exactly a prime age for advertisters, and that's why they are morphing into a sports station.

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by: raj @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 01:32:24 AM CDT

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But...

The percentage may be small, but they are the people who are highly motivated to vote, unlike most of the country. It's just like the fundamentalists with their letter writing campaigns; it doesn't matter how small a minority they are, they are highly motivated and well-organized to make as much noise as possible, so they get things done. If only gays were as fanatical an organized as they make us out to be...we'd get a lot more done!
Talk radio is also a big part of the reason they have conned so many poor Christians into voting against their own self-interests, over issues that don't actually affect them. It's not the size, but the particularities of the audience.

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by: jackalope @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 02:32:22 AM CDT

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Motivated Minority

If only gays were as fanatical an organized as they make us out to be...we'd get a lot more done!

I wouldn't call us fanatical, but I think thats exactly why, 3 years after the SJC mandated marriage equality, we have a state legislature that is 76.5% pro-marriage. It helps that MA is already a pretty liberal state, but the deciding factor is that our side was more motivated and better organized. Over several elections we demonstrated that we cared enough to supply the ground troops, the campaign calls, and the financial contributions. If the religious right can do it, so can we!

What the hell was I doing in Oaxaca in 1992, on the eve of the Zapatista revolution?

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by: Cambridge Kid @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:02:57 AM CDT

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Reaction formation

I didn't realize his past.  He's obviously either gay or bi and deeply ashamed of it and so he projects his shame outwards in vile contempt: "latrine swine."

Okay, time to move on and do a ten-second analysis of some other rightnut.  I feel like Lucy in peanuts: the Doctor is In (well, Out)

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 16:54:08 PM CDT

Exactly... Reaction formation

Michael Savage is exactly what happens when a man or woman subverts their honest sexuality.  It is replaced by an incoherent mental rage.  Savage is most likely asexual today, his anger, frustration, and rage having completely replaced his sexuality.  I'd be willing to bet good money that the man doesn't even masturbate.  He is, in a very true sense, sexless.

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by: Storm @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 19:13:00 PM CDT

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I agree with Storm.

My sense is that he's sexless.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 20:58:56 PM CDT

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Isn't that what our system says?

Direct vote on everything??

Um, no that's not what it says...........

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by: oddjob @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 19:35:49 PM CDT