Merv Griffin passes away at 82

farewell

May the roads rise up to meet you Merv

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 14:38:01 PM CDT

"How is this journalism?"

How is gossipping about any celebrity's relationships actual journalism?

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by: Skemono @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 16:42:46 PM CDT

depends on who you ask

Take a look at your grocery news stand, or any number of gossip web sites. Those in the field would probably disagree with you that it isn't journalism. The field may be tawdry and invasive (look at how they hound poor Lindsay Lohan), gossip "journalism" is big bucks. Coverage obviously isn't the same for semi-closeted gay celebrities versus straight ones. There have been quite a few articles written about the straight-washing of gay public figures in bios and obits, even ones where the figure was socially out, out within their industry and known in the media. It's the "legitimate" press that can be ridiculously squeamish about reporting basic facts (like about a partner left behind), that are  not disclosed.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 17:07:00 PM CDT

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Well...

"How is gossipping about any celebrity's relationships actual journalism?"

When its a celebrity who was pals with heavy-duty homophobes like Ronald Reagan (Merv was the first to do an interview with a prez - Ronny - in the White House bedroom; I shall not comment on that), its certainly not illegitimate to discuss closeted gayness. 

Having said that, when I think of openly homophobic celebrities, Merv does not come to mind.

On a totally different note, though, I don't think he cared much for country music.  I read once that the song "If You Don't Like Hank Williams, You Can Kiss My Ass" was written by Kris Kristofferson in response to Merv dissing Hank Sr.'s music during an appearance by Hank Jr. on Merv's show.

Kat

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 23:05:35 PM CDT

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Gay political blog posturing

Anything for a story, a hog blog.  OK, Merve died.  He was a cocksucker, he also was attracted to glamorous women.  3/4 gay 1/4 straight.  Me too.  Get over it.  You cheap little 3/4 white bitch calling yourself black living down there in conservative North Carolina.  Sorry I advertised my art exhibition on your blog, but money already spent, too late.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 19:19:43 PM CDT

Pam doesn't have to call herself black.

Culture does.  Someone once said that being black is like chocolate milk.  You can't add a little chocolate to milk and say it isn't chocolate.  It either is or it isn't.  In the case of race, it's all about perception.  She's perceived as black.  Therefore, she's black.

Charley6, it seems like you identify with Merv.  I've been to your website and you're both older white guys.  You seem rich.  He was rich.  He was famous.  You have some fame.  You're bi.  He might have been.  So, it's easy for you to project into Merv and imagine people posting about you once you die.  This projecting lends you insight.  It also steals your rationality.  If you want to make a case for Pam not writing about Merv, calling her a "cheap little 3/4 white bitch" is only going to convince folks that you're an ad homming kook.  I'll just assume you're having a very bad day. 

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by: Holly Capote @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 19:54:31 PM CDT

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huh?

And where, pray tell, did I ever claim to be 3/4 white, lol? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you'd have to go back quite a few generations on either side of my family to find a someone white on the family tree. And I'm really not sure what being in NC (a very Blue section at that) has to do with this post either

If you have a problem with the discussion of Merv Griffin's orientation, that would at least be appropriate matter of debate. The fact that you decided to mudsling over this kind of undercuts your point, whatever it may be.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 20:33:21 PM CDT

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Racist Misogynist PIG

We are all sorry you advertised here.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 22:53:01 PM CDT

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You're the one

who's being a bitch, Charley.  You're the one who's acting catty, which is something people stereotype gay men for so that they can dismiss them.  You're boxing yourself in.  Why do you want to do that?

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by: Ross K. @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:37:32 AM CDT

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merv was old school

he grew up in a time when the closet was the place for homosexuality, or to be more precise, in a time when one's bedroom actiivities were one's own business.

 now adays the choice to stay in or out is no longer a personal one, but a political one.  but i can forgive merv and his generation for not having the courage the youngster of necessity must muster themselves.

 rather i would remember merv for being the talk show host who loved to give new comic talent their big break.  pardon my blogwhoring, but that's what i emphasize over on skippy.

"blogtopia - yes! i coined that phrase!"

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by: skippy @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 20:15:55 PM CDT

North Carolina is a red state

Your picutures look more white than black, blonde hair ect.  Only you know your geneology.  The state voted for Bush.  And likely not voting Democratic in the next election.  Southern Baptist control your state, even John Edwards said that "faith" would not be a factor if he was elected President.  But, what is his reason against marriage for gays??? Economic, environmental?  Not.  It is about faith.......You people are kidding yourselves in N.C.  thinking you are a progressive state.  You are as dumb as Alabama.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 20:42:38 PM CDT

please get your facts straight

There are solid blue areas of the state. Our state legislature has been solidly Dem-controlled for a long time, and with a Democratic governor, which is why we don't have a marriage amendment -- so no, we're not like Alabama or the rest of the deep South. NC tends to send Republicans to the U.S. Senate because the candidates fielded by Dems have been weak  -- but obviously John Edwards was elected in this Red transitioning-to-Purple state. Will it deliver again for the GOP presidential nominee? I have no idea, but 2008 is looking good for Dems considering the field they have to consider in the Republican party. I never claimed the state was progressive, only that the pockets of Blue are now the economic power centers of the state. I'm a realist -- we have a ways to go, but your portrayal is not accurate.

Again, I still don't know what any of this (including my racial heritage) has anything to do with Merv Griffin passing away, his semi-closeted sexual orientation, or how the MSM covers said individuals. 

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 21:13:44 PM CDT

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straightwashed obits

Pam, thanks for bringing this up. Seeing the news in the Chronicle reminded me of my nephew's tales of "Auntie Merv" in Laguna Beach circa 1979-1981 -- tales I assumed would never make it into the official obit. 

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by: AbstractRandom @ Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 23:56:14 PM CDT

Perception

She's perceived as black.  Therefore, she's black.

Eh?  You think therefore I am?  That makes no sense.  Why would anyone surrender their cultural or racial identity to others' perceptions?  I come from a multi-national, -cultural, -racial background, and people make all sorts of assumptions about it, but I'll be damned if I allow someone to steal my identity based on their ignorance.

 As for Griffin's sexuality, why is that any more other people's business than Nancy Reagan's? 

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by: Brian @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 01:27:47 AM CDT

Brian, I once read that if you''re American and your family has been...

...in America for at least 3 generations, that there's a 95% chance that you have at least traces of African-American heritage.  So, we're nearly all black, given my chocolate milk analogy, but we aren't, if we weren't and aren't acculturated as black, based upon perception.  For example, when I enter a room which is populated with white people, I'm just a person, regardless of whether I have a great-great grandfather who slept with a great-great grandmother who was a bit black.  When Pam enters that same room, her race will be noted and people will shift the conversation. 

Now, Pam could say, as you said, "I'll be damned if I allow someone to steal my identity based on their ignorance," but no matter how much she resists, she'll be treated differently.

Likewise, when Pam enters a room filled with black people, she's just a person.  When I enter that same room, those people will shift that conversation, which is why some black folks want their occasional space, because they just want to relax without tending to race.

Brian, you wrote, "Eh?  You think therefore I am?  That makes no sense."

I believe that this makes no sense to you.  I also believe that we have much less control over our lives than most people like to believe.  Our roles our chosen by those around us.  We are not the captains of our destinies.  At best, we swab the deck and give the wheel and occasional nudge.

 

 

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by: Holly Capote @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 08:35:56 AM CDT

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Midshipman Capote

I don't buy that Holly, never have and what's more, never had to.  People like to box others into an identity because it suits their two-dimensional thinking.  With me it's never been that easy because circumstance and immediate heritage have deprived me of a two-dimensional identity.  If other people in that room shift their socio-perceptions because of the colour of my skin, or my accent, or my vocabulary, or my passport, then fine, but that belongs to them and has nothing to do with me.  Within ten minutes I'll have done or said something to change their minds anyway.  It's my ship, I built it, I decide who comes aboard and which way I'll set sail.  If you start letting others choose for you something as basic as your identity, then you deserve to be swabbing the decks.

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by: Brian @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 10:50:25 AM CDT

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I'm glad you rage, rage against the dying of your self-determination.

I studied voice, identity, self, and role.  My conclusions aren't popular and rarely held by others.  You know those pretty posters with pithy sayings. 

One might be of an America's Cup racing yacht bucking into the wind with this axiom underneath: "One doesn't have to go wherever the wind blows."

Well, my poster would be of a guy in raft, in 20-foot swells, just hoping to stay afloat, with the axiom, "You go where the wind blows."

I wish the former axiom were so, for it's the pretty one, but my studies suggest it's the latter.  This doesn't mean that I conform.  I don't, but I don't assume that my non-conformity is my choice.  I assume I'm jetsam and I'm just trying to stay afloat.

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by: Holly Capote @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:32:43 AM CDT

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Here's a thought, Brian.

If nothing other people do has to affect anybody, then why did Charley start using, and then sell the farm and leave North Carolina, once he started getting the hate mail?  It's fine to play the fearless-crusader-against-evil role when we're feeling strong and bold and think we have allies, but then what happens when we get tired?  When we don't want to keep fighting?  We start looking for sympathy, and then a way out, and that's when a lot of people who were just a minute ago trying to be brave decide to play victim for a while, until they can recuperate enough to rejoin the fight.  Are you saying you've never done that?  I thought everybody had.

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by: Ross K. @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:54:40 AM CDT

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Ross, hun, my email is down.

Broke.

Ain't workin'.

So, I can't reply.

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by: Holly Capote @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 12:45:45 PM CDT

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Actually

I'm pretty sure that my African ancestry traces back to Africa itself, given the history of family surnames and such.  Southern Europe was such a crossroads for centuries, if Europeans don't think that they have African ancestry they are deluding themselves as well.  Rome had a large Egyptian population, the Moors were in Spain, etc.  We're all mixed!

My America includes LGBT families.

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by: Mena @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 14:27:33 PM CDT

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Yep, we're all mutts, but some of us are pretending we're poodles,

even though we have pug mugs. 

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by: Holly Capote @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 14:37:52 PM CDT

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Ozark melting pot

I'm officially English and German, with a little Welsh and Scotch thrown in, but there is more to the story than that.  There was some controversy a few years ago when one of my cousins married a black woman from Panama, and another cousin married a woman from Mexico.  Then we discovered that those who were scandalized were at least half Cherokee from two different ancestors.

We also pointed out that on the Arkansas sharecropper side there were a lot of curly heads and flat noses, becoming more obvious in the older pictures.  To people from the pre-civil rights generations, even the most obvious secrets are guarded carefully, but nobody in the family is fooled.

Oddly, a lot of people in liberal Boston, some of them white and some non-white, have made a fetish of my apparently "pure-blooded" blond hair, blue-eyed Ayran-ness. I get a perverse kick out of disappointing them.

What the hell was I doing in Oaxaca in 1992, on the eve of the Zapatista revolution?

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by: Cambridge Kid @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 14:47:51 PM CDT

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Two Down in a short span of time

Not a good year for aging talk show hosts. Tom Snyder and now Merv.  I loved 'em both.

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by: konagod @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 06:49:09 AM CDT

Thoughts and Choices

Ross, I never said what other people do has no affect on others, I thought the subject was identity and not having others choose yours for you.  But since you ask, I don't know Charlie or why he sold his farm, but I assume he chose to do so for his own reasons.  As for me, yes, I've been  down, hard, and I've stood on rooftops, knowing sympathy wasn't coming, and begging for oblivion.  To step off or not.  These were my choices, no one else's.  I took those choices with others in mind because I have responsibilities to other people.  But the choices are still mine. 

I'm no fearless crusader, and don't care for the title, there's too much else to cope with just getting out of bed in the morning.  But I refuse to cede control of my life to the unkindness of strangers.  Coming out was a bit like this: I didn't choose to be gay, but I most certainly did choose to embrace it, celebrate it, own it.  People may think of me what they will, for good or ill.  Sure I like the good, and if I've done someone ill, I try to put it right.  Sometimes I can't.  I take responsibility, shoulder the grief and move on.  My choice.

People may touch you, or they may not, and how they affect you may have as little or as much to do with you as the coffee you had that morning or whether you got laid that night.  I can't guess for other people.  What I have learned is that life is about the choices you make, being responsible for them, and living with them.  I never said it was easy.

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by: Brian @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 12:40:22 PM CDT

I don't want

to make an enemy out of you, Brian, but I don't think anyone should excuse Charley.  He comes in and sucker-punches Pam out of nowhere with the same kind of misogynic language people must have used against him; he's trying to damage other people the way he's been damaged, so that he gets to say why he's doing it, meaning what the damage is.  "His own reasons" are definitely not private since he's put them on a web site.  All you have to do is click on the pink triangle on the right side of your screen and go straight to his life story, which features a "crusader" part and a "victim" part.  He's treating Pam the same way that rednecks would, the people he fled because he didn't believe in his own ability to confront and win them over.  These kind of people would call a gay painter a bitch and everything else every day, and one of them might be afraid enough of being like him to kill him.  He's perpetuating the hostile atmosphere he fled.

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by: Ross K. @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 13:36:31 PM CDT

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Eh?

I didn't excuse Charley, why would you say I did?  I don't know Charley and never said his reasons were private.  I'll not click on him, thanks, because I find his rantings disagreable and obnoxious and so don't want to know.  What's Charley got to do with anything?  In any case, whether you make an enemy of me is entirely up to you.  I don't particularly care to make one of you.

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by: Brian @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 15:00:12 PM CDT

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Merve was from a different time

It wouldn't have mattered if Merve came out or not in his later years.  No one would have cared.  Just as I have come out.  Yawn.  However, It would have been suicide to his career during his popularity.  Homosexuality was considered a disease, and no one came out.  It was very painful for gay men.  I met him once, and he was very kind and had many gay friends.  It just was a different more repressed time.

Rosie, Ellen came out, and for lesbians it is permissible in mainstream talk shows.  Not there yet for male talk show hosts.  Hope it changes.  It is not up to Pam to judge older generations, as she does not know what males went through.  I was trying to point out that there are many different facets to human sexuality, just as their are many facets to our geneaology.   Every one alive today can trace their dna back to Lucy, the ancient fossil that Dr. Leaky discovered in Africa.  In a sense we are all African, the cradle of civilization.

I was making a judgement about her beautiful blonde hair.  Usually it indicates Nordic ancestry, many times removed from ancient Lucy.   

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 16:49:13 PM CDT

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Charley, if Pam is like most American blonds, her color comes from a bottle.

BTW, I once read that some scientists believe that blond hair and blue eyes are fading traits. 

It sounds like you had some rough times, Charley.  I think most people fork after being hurt.  Some use their pain to understand other people's pain.  Others inflict pain rather than feel it.  After visiting your website, it seems that you've tendered time to the former and I assumed you were having an especially bad day or were perhaps drunk when you wrote what you wrote.  Still...Pam isn't rich like you, but she sure isn't cheap.  Her income makes her middle class, but she's classy.  

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by: Holly Capote @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 17:19:27 PM CDT

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Your hateful rant isn't excused

I can be as rageful and hateful as most people I know, but it wouldn't matter if I was angry or drunk or grieving I wouldn't have attacked racially or sexually. That sh*t may lay dormant and flare out if you haven't worked at losing that baggage. I don't know your story, and at this point wouldn't bother to learn about you.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 18:51:46 PM CDT

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Not apologizing

I realize now that this is a black lesbian blog with news filtered through the mind set of an oppressed black lesbian, with a viewpoint against rich white men.  That's OK.  She has a right to her opinions, but I don't agree with her nor will I post here again.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 20:22:08 PM CDT

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again, a big "huh?"

Where in that post do I chastise Merv Griffin for being white or wealthy? If anything, the fact that the man was wealthy and an astute business man gave him financial security to come out if he chose to. He was of a different time. Again, the post was about the closet and the way the MSM has treated openly closeted gay/bi public figures, using Merv Griffin as the latest example of this (apparently only the NYT mentioned it). 

Also, I have never generalized that all well-to-do white men are the cause of the ills of society; that's ridiculous. It's as absurd as saying all blacks are poor -- or a black person must be biracial if not dark-skinned.

BTW, Holly, I was born with blonde hair; it turned brown around 3rd grade. Today's shade is Preference 9A. :) 

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 23:06:51 PM CDT

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I was also born with blond hair, Pam, but my turned brown around...

...first grade and now it's turned again: silver.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 05:52:55 AM CDT

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Like silver

Also Angela Davis.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 16:52:45 PM CDT

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uh....from another white guy....F*CK OFF BIGOT!

How absolutely putrid attempting to rationalize your sh*t that ONLY a Black Lesbian would find your rant offensive.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 00:11:45 AM CDT

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You should have

had the sense never to post here in the first place, you dumb motherfucker, and certainly not to show up again a second day.  If you've got a problem with a lesbian blog, don't use it to advertise a web site talking about how hard you've fought to help the gays, then.  You brag about the privilege of coming from a wealthy family and marrying an heiress, you show us your smug photograph in front of the Taj Mahal, and then you try to align yourself with the marginalized and the outcasts by crying about getting some hate mail.  You're just using people.  You're using their pain. 

You're grabbing people where they're sensitive and tender and exploiting them, maybe to sell some art but who cares if it sells, you don't need the money.  Most of all you want the attention, and you want people to listen to your story, and you switch back and forth between bragging about your privilege and whining about your marginalized sexual orientation.  Does everybody see how he's calling himself a rich man when he needs a trump card, but then playing the gay card when he needs some sympathy?  He invokes "gay community" when it suits him, but his class prejudice shows you that this is not his community, he wants the exclusivity that has been used against him.  He wants to be in the country club, where the riff-raff don't get in.  He wants to turn everybody else into rejects, the way he feels rejected, and he is choosing an embarassingly cowardly way to act on that feeling.

I think what Pam has a problem with is unfairness and injustice, and rich white men are frequently responsible for these things since their power and privilege corrupt them, as those things have obviously corrupted you.  Don't you get it?  Calling Pam a cheap bitch and going after her race is like calling any lesbian a dyke cunt, or like those good old boys calling you a bitch and a pussy and faggot.  You're no better than they are.  You have made an awful account of yourself at this site.  What a weak, selfish, and cowardly way to act.  WHAT A FUCKING USER.

 

 

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by: Ross K. @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:13:19 AM CDT

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Wow, Ross.

You're the warrior in this thread and I'm the healer.  Well, ranging is good.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:19:55 AM CDT

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Thanks Holly

You nailed it about me.  It really is not about Pam.  My rant was misdirected anger,  You know alot.  My rant was mainly at North Carolina where I was born, conservative to the max, and I see through the two faced actions of Edwards.  Pam, being territorial, glorifies that state as blue, knocks the other southern states, and that got me going.  OK the area where she lives, the Triangle is very liberal.  I graduated from Chapel Hill.  I supported Harvey Gantt with a big donation and was invited by Maya Angelou to her house in Winston Salem with Harvey.  I know what prejudice is like, not only against skin color but about Jewish prejudice. 

Also, about Griffen.  I would out Lindsay Graham, a lawmaker, if anyone would listen.  But a vaudeville funny guy, a talk show host, who cares??  Only those on the outside of show  business that think they are great.  I see entertainers for what they are, whores who are paid to say and do anything that the role requires.

 

OK, I have been under stress.  There is a fatwa on my ass for burning the Koran.  Queerty.com has slammed my ass and also Michael Lucas the porn star for interviewing me.  More is to come because Michael taped me and it is going on You Tube.  I really like Pam, and sorry she got involved in this.

Hugs 

 

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 15:46:57 PM CDT

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Photo is in front of the Vatican

Not the monument in India that you referenced.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 16:40:55 PM CDT

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Oh, correction:

You brag about your wealth and privilege, show your smug photo in front of the VATICAN, and then make a play to identify with outcasts.  You say you won't post here again, but you hear one sympathetic voice and start pouring out excuses, just like every user and manipulator does who's used to getting his way.  Since you're still hanging around running your mouth, you must want something.  Let me give you a clue: the way adults do it is to own up to their actions and begin the apology with "I'm sorry," without expecting that grasping for a bunch of reasons will excuse them. 

If you've got beef with North Carolina, take it to North Carolina, jackass; you attacked a PERSON named Pam Spaulding, and you've taken no responsibility for your choice.  One more time: if you get to treat people however you want, they get to treat you however they want.  That's the deal.  The homo-hate-mailers were probably under stress too.  I guess in your world they're off the hook.  Think about what kind of response you wanted from them when they hurt you, and whether what you've given Pam and this site measures up.  Would YOU accept the backpedaling and excuses you're dishing out?  Show some heart.

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by: Ross K. @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 17:49:50 PM CDT

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Yeah, I've got sympathy for folks.

Not always, Ross K., but often. If Rove visited the Blend today, I think he's smile. He'd be happy to see all the squabbling. The name calling. The accusations. The anger that should be reserved for him and the others who decided that torture is A-OK!, that the Constitution and the Geneva Convention are just pieces of paper, and that some Americans are more equal than others is squandered on each other. I was so impressed by Jen offering love to displace hate. 

And I suspect that Charley6 is a lot like my dad.  They're about the same age.  My dad can't apologize, but if I pay attention, I see his apologies in what he does instead of what he says.  Pam is a public person.  We all know that she's been targeted by haters.  There probably isn't a name she hasn't been called.  As a writer, I too have heard it all. 

Stuffed Animal called me "a right wing infiltrator" today. 

My response, "Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Been called that already.  Plenty o' times."

Likewise with Pam.  You can't do what she does if you don't develop a crust, enough of a barrier to repel the ad homs.  What amazes me about Pam is that she retains her reason.  Ad homming is a state of unreason.  You attack a person when you're no longer lucid.  You attack when you can no longer formulate a response, either because you're bested, you're insufficient, you're lazy, or some other not-so-nice reason. 

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by: Holly Capote @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 18:09:05 PM CDT

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A trip to the Creation Museum

Would cure you of your assumption that we are all descended from Lucy.  I'm also galled at the suggestion that I share dnA with George Bush.  Uuuuuurrrgggh.  I'm off to have a shower.

ALLY (ALLIE) (transitive) To connect or form a relation between by similitude, resemblance, friendship, or love.

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by: Vicster @ Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 02:24:01 AM CDT

Goodness

You really are angry.  Sorry about that. Hope you can resolve what ever it is in your life that is bothering you.  You give me no information about you in your profile. 

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

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by: Charley6 @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 18:06:44 PM CDT