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Civil Unions: Achievable, Not Equal

by: TerranceDC

Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 13:00:02 PM EDT


I tend to agree with Michael over at Gay Orbit, regarding civil unions. But I'll get to that in a minute. I understand what Bruce (guest blogging over at Sully's), whose post Michael was responding to, is trying to say, but I think it misses several points.

Civil unions are achievable, but I think full marriage rights for gays will probably not happen any time soon. In my opinion, it is silly to allow the semantics of a word stand in the way of getting what is important for gays: the right for their partners to have the material rights of married couples in areas such as health benefits, inheritance rights, and so on. I think this is a case of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

Except that the "good" here isn't all that good. At least not to anyone who's paying attention.

TerranceDC :: Civil Unions: Achievable, Not Equal

First, there's Michael's argument that civil unions should be a concern to anyone who's concerned about the state of marriage.

It?s very unlikely that they would be reserved exclusively for gay couples. Straight couples would be allowed to enter into them as well, and I have my doubts that civil unions would be very difficult to dissolve.

In other words, straight couples will opt for the civil union route as well. Do the Democratic candidates, and the Republican ones who support civil unions really want a marriage lite option that would be available to everyone?

It's the same argument Jonathan Rauch made in Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America, that one of the surest ways to undermine marriage is to create one alternative legal status after the other, in an attempt to keep gay people away from marriage, because what they end up doing is providing heterosexuals with an alternative to marriage.

It's funny, or it would be if it weren't so pathetically paradoxical, that in an attempt to "protect" marriage and promote "equality," proponents of civil unions actually end up weakening marriage and perpetuating inequality. Because in many cases, when a new legal status is established for same-sex couples, heterosexuals end up gaining access to it, often -- ironically enough -- by successfully filing discrimination suits. At the same time, things become even more unequal because, while same-sex couples only have access to one legal status, heterosexual couples have access to marriage and the alternative legal status.

It may be that some heterosexual couples are willing to accept a legal status with fewer benefits and protections than marriage -- and we've seen over and over again that civil unions don't begin to measure up to marriage when it comes to benefits and protections, because it's also less binding than marriage. Besides, if a heterosexual couple feels the need to shore up their relationship with more legal protections, they can do it in most states for in just a few days and for under $100. But still, do you want to create a situation where more heterosexual couples have more alternatives to marriage, at a time when so few are already getting married?

A little over a year ago, I wrote about a heterosexual woman in Washington state who sued for discrimination when health insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because they were not married and not a same-sex couple. Last month, when gay coupled queued up to register as domestic partners, there were at least some heterosexual couples there because the domestic partnership statute makes heterosexual couples eligible as long as one of them is over 62. (And as long as they're over 18, sharing a home, and not married to or in a domestic partnership with anyone else.) Meanwhile in Massachusetts, same-sex couples are told they will lose their benefits if they don't get married. It does seem as though different rules apply for different people. Call it what you will, but don't callit equality.

In a chapter of Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America. entitled "Accept No Substitutes," sets forth two relatively simples rules on how to ensure heterosexual couples and same-sex have all the same benefts and protections:

  1. If you want the benefits of marriage get married.
  2. Let everyone marry.

And apply the same rules to everyone; one spouse per person, no marrying your siblings, etc.

In the Logo presidential forum one of the many groan-inducing gaffes delivered by Bill Richardson came when he was queried about domestic partnerships (which he said over and over again he worked to get passed in New Mexico, because "their achievable") and answered, "They're the same."

That's the third problem with civil unions, domestic partnerships, etc. The temptation to think "they're the same," and that once they're achieved, there's no need to more, because we're "there."

Whatever else we disagree on, I think we know better than that. At least I hope so.

Crossposted from The Republic of T.

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It seems so simple really.

Rauch also makes a point in his book that's made by E.J. Graff and Stephanie Coontz made in hers. Right now, same sex couples are accepting all of the burdens of marriage (you know, "in sickness and in health, good times and bad times, etc.") and getting none of the socioeconomic beneifts afforded married couples.

An argument can be made that the reason those benefits and protections are bestowed is because the spouses are taking on burdens that socieety will then not have to bear, or at least not tot he degree it would otherwise, because the spouses are essentially the "first in line" to care for and support one another through illness, job loss, and all the other stuff that happens in the course of life. So, society beneifts as well. 

If we're assuming the same responsibilities, benefiting soceity in much the same way, and not getting the same benefits...

Well, we already know what that's called.



TerranceDC
http://www.republicoft.com


Simple choices

There's Marriage and NOT Marriage

There's Equal and NOT Equal

Settling for enshrining into law seperate but not equal...is a mistake.

You will settle, and NEVER get Equality.

can you say appeasement?



"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


What happens to MA?
Would National Civil Unions undo the ONE G*D DAMN Equal State?

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Those gays/lesbians who want Marriage

Those gays/lesbians who want Marriage, move to MA or be expatriots in Canada, Spain, Netherlands, South Africa.

That at least shows you have principles and dignity, DON'T enshrine a reason for the rest of us to be labled Second Class citizens FOREVER!



"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Don't take anything less than marriage.
Some people believe that we should take what we can get one step at a time. I don't believe that. We need to keep fighting for our rights of equality and not stop until we have them. I want a marriage, not a second class status BS title.

"Yeah. Sylvia-Louise. You know, with a hyphen?" - Barbara Streisand in What's Up Doc?

put the effort into MA
If the LGBT community put it's efforts into housing and employing gay/lesbian couples who want marriage in MA, it'd be cheaper and less disruptive to candidates and elections...and they'd be absolutely EQUAL marriages.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Come on up, the water's fine!

Well, it's a little cold I guess.

To you folks who don't like city-living, I recommend the Berkshires. Beautiful country, as liberal as Cambridge or Berkeley, and full of small town New England charm. Also, it's more affordable than Boston.

I do have to point out though, that we won't have EQUAL marriages until DOMA is repealed.



What the hell was I doing in Oaxaca in 1992, on the eve of the Zapatista revolution?

[ Parent ]
correction noted
It is as close to equal marriage, as we may get for decades.Short of a NEW Supreme Court.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Semantics?

If semantics don't matter (actually, it's denotation, not connotation, by why quibble?)

 

call

 

blacks niggers

Nazis Germans

gays faggots

equality segregation

Jews kikes 

 

Perhaps, we could all use a little more understanding of social constructionism (John Searle has a fabulous book on the subject), before we acquiesce to

 

marriage civil-unions 



As I've said before
If civil unions and marriage are the same thing, there wouldn't be need for a separate word.

We need more information

it is one thing to engage in the overused sematics debate between CUs and marriage and it is another thing entirely to explain how it would be applied  - or better yet - what the CU plan means.

Right now 40 states say no marriage either by law or by amendment or both.  

33 states could have CUs or already do (ten of them) have most or all equality.

Of the 23 that don't have recognition, some have a law and/or an amendment.  Would a Federal CU plan push them further into amending or amending further to exclude all forms of same sex relationship recognition like 17 states have already done?  That is possible.

No matter how a Federally sanctioned CU might look, there will still be at least 17 states where it won't apply and that number will likely grow if states can get away with formulating their own policy.

I don't see how ANY candidate plans on making CUs available.  Many of Democrats in the Congress already support Republican policies more than they ought to.  Do you think they would toe the party line on an issue like CUs?  Hardly.  And even if some would, there would have to be enormous coat tails into Congress with whoever is elected in order to get a CU bill written and promoted let alone passed.  Congress has a huge role that is never addressed in the semantics debate.

I believe that the semantics being debated on the part of the candidates is really a matter of word choice and not one of policy.  Yeah they are interchangable terms marriage and CUS - especially if you have no intention of enforcing them or making them law.   

Clinton has been the most forthcoming (correct me if Im wrong).  She wants to cancel some part of DOMA that prevents the Feds from extending USFG recognition to states that want CUs.  (I don't know why she thinks only part of DOMA is offensive, but whatever).  That's great - but that will do nothing to create equality in 40 states.  If she supports states making their own choices, then you can bet that the 40/10 scale will continue as it is and she will consider herself to be the new champion of gay rights.

Have Obama or Edwards said anything about what they mean by "CUs are the way to go?"  Does that mean they encourage a federal plan, or do they just think they are a swell thing to think about, but they won't act on creating them?

Leave the semantics out - explain your plan. It would be much more credible if the candidates admitted that because of what the states have done in the past ten years the Supreme Court will have to make the ultimate decision.  Instead they use it as an opportunity to raise money from sucker LGBTs who buy their hollow words and get to sound moderate at the same time.



When ALL couples gay and straight have Civil Unions

When ALL couples gay and straight have Civil Unions, and only with a civil union license does a couple receive government recognition and rights...then it's equal.

Marriage will then be a religious ceremony granting no rights, and those that choose it, doesn't matter a rat's a$$ to me. No more than I concern myself about Lent, Ramadan, or Passover.



"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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