Condi and her special friend

I saw that at AmericaBlog

If she thinks it's irrelevant, she won't come out. Lots of people, probably most of us, work for bosses whose goals we do not share.

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by: Holly in Cincinnati @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 17:48:11 PM CDT

While not many of us

have the most powerful person in the world as our boss, nor do the actions of ourselves or our bosses on the job affect the fate of millions of people.

I would only ask of Ms. Rice that she be as candid about her relationships as any straight person is free to be.

In addition to feeling frustrated that she probably wouldn't come out while still in her current job -- relative to the missed opportunity to educate and advance the culture -- I feel sad.  Why can't she be honest about who she is -- a privilege that every straight person enjoys and flaunts?  I feel sad thinking of Janet Reno for the same reason.  (I don't actually know that Janet Reno and Condoleezza Rice are lesbians, but I think the chances are pretty good, even if they have perhaps never allowed themselves a relationship.)

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by: KC @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 18:05:13 PM CDT

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A nit...

...if her boss GWBush--or his sidekick Dick Cheney--actually was the most powerful man in the world, he would have pacified Iraq years ago.  He (they) hasn't.

Implication clear: they are not as powerful as you may believe.

On the subject matter of the post, I quite frankly don't care what Rice's sexual orientation is.  What I do care about is that the US has a glib lunatic motor-mouth as secretary of state.

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by: raj @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 02:26:26 AM CDT

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I've never heard it put quite that way before.

on friends, [Rice] goes narrow and deep

Huh. A brand new entry for the innuendo dictionary!

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by: Warren @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 18:13:25 PM CDT

Lesbian? So What?

We don't know for sure if she is or is not a lesbian.  It does not matter either way.  Rice has shown her true colors.  She sat back ideally as this administration mocked the gay community, as Secretary of State she did not condem Iran for hanging gay teenagers, and she remained silent on DADT even while she was the National Security Advisor.  If she actual is socially liberal and has all these gay friends, it just goes to show what a horrible person she is.  After this administration is through and she goes back to Standford, lets hope that all of the gay community and progressives distance themselves from this pathetic excuse of a human being.

Closeted or not, I am fucking sick of all these excuses for not supporting our equal rights.

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by: dstavro @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 19:24:13 PM CDT

Don't blame Rice for Bush's policies

"as Secretary of State she did not condem Iran for hanging gay teenagers, and she remained silent on DADT even while she was the National Security Advisor. "

Her job as Secretary of State is to advance the President's foreign policy.  As such, if he didn't want to make a public issue out of it, she should not be.  As National Security Advisor her job was to advise the President on a variety of issues, but, again, it was not her place to publically disagree with Administration policy.  This is true no matter what the issue and no matter who sits in the Oval Office.

She isn't a horrible person, and she isn't turning her back on her friends - she is doing the job she was appointed to do.  Your beef, my friend, is with the President, not with Secretary Rice.

 

 

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by: Dauger @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 06:53:11 AM CDT

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No, resoundingly no.

If Rice was principled, she would have resigned her post immediately, as did the AttyGen and Assistent AttyGen during the Saturday Night Massacre during the Nixon Administration.

Rice is nothing more than a "go along to get along (wo)man."  I have no respect for her whatsoever.

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by: raj @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 14:03:25 PM CDT

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Right on, Raj

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by: Julien Sharp @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 17:58:49 PM CDT

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Trans friendly

In the introduction to her book Evolution's Rainbow, Joan Roughgarden, who is a professor at Stanford, relates how when she was about to transition MtF, she had a meeting with Provost Rice to find out if she would still be allow to teach after transitioning. She reports that Condi was absolutely cool with it and told her that her job was not in jeopardy.

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by: Stephanie, in Victoria @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 19:26:43 PM CDT

hrm...

i read signorile's post, and i don't agree with him. he seems to advocate the idea that you should turn against your friend if your friend works with unfriendly people. i don't believe in the idea of "guilty by association." condi has never come forward and said anything directly against gay rights. with that being said, no, i don't find it perplexing that her closest friends are liberals and/or gays. i have conservative republicans as friends and family. i may disagree with some of their beliefs, but, if given a choice, i'll take their company over a bunch of strangers who i don't know but who happen to share my political beliefs.

 

to signorile, forget the gay issue with condi. we should be getting on her case for spouting lies about iraq. 

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by: emily2 @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 20:02:25 PM CDT

I agree...

This case toes right up to my own personal ethical line about who should be outed and who should be left alone. While she supports a totally corrupt administration, as far as I know she has never personally been in a position to make legislative decisions about my rights. I feel like it would be nice if she came out and said openly that she disagreed with Shrub's policies towards gays, but that will never happen until her career has run it's course. At present, while it would be a good illustration of Hypocrite Condi, I feel like Lesbian Condi would just be a pointless distraction from Iraq Apologist Condi, who is the one that really needs to be raked over the coals.
 (Coming soon, Malibu Dreamhouse Condi!)

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by: jackalope @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 21:21:43 PM CDT

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Not so sure there...

When one occupies a very public role, and one is at least tacitly supporting what is possibly one of the most vile and corrupt administrations in US history, I believe one may be guilty by association, to the extent that complicity in the commitment of a crime is often seen as being in the actual conspiracy to commit the crime.

As to Ms. Rice's orientation -- this is the same woman who once nearly referred to GWB as her husband. That doesn't necessarily rule anything out, but it seems as though it points to a deeply conflicted outlook on her part.

While I can have some sympathy for her in that (possible) conflict, I think it's still fair to take her on from the front of GLBTg rights, since -- as with Cheney -- she is personally affected, at least by proxy, by the extreme intolerant rhetoric comming from various and sundry Buish supporters. Remaining silent in the face of that, when she ought to know better, simply isn't acceptable, to my mind at least.

Rather than ignoring these issues, it might be better to simply add them to the list. 

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by: Warren @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 21:46:11 PM CDT

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Well, wouldn't YOU feel embarrassed working for

someone who is actively denying your friend has rights? I can understand it better in a Walmart worker than a high flyer like Rice. She might justify it by telling herself that her duty overrides the need to be loyal to a friend's interests - but I do hope she has a twinge of embarrassment now and then.

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by: NancyP @ Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 22:54:38 PM CDT

This is black and white for me

Just a "twinge of embarrassment"??

This entire administration - supported in LARGE part by Ms. Rice, used an entire population of American citizens in order to garner the votes of ignorant masses who voted against their own self-interests (lower middle income jobs sent overseas, rising oil prices, the disparate numbers of them in the Iraq war vs. the upper class) in order to get TEH GAY menace.

In order to satisfy her BLOOD LUST FOR NEOCON WORLD INVASION, and her own MONSTEROUS EGO at being a woman in such a position, she gladly threw an entire population under the bus, and would do so again if she ran for president, no doubt.

It doesn't even matter if she is gay, straight, or whatever - ALL OF THESE people in the Cabinet reporting directly to the "head" of the party, have the blood of our soldiers, of the Iraqi people, and of the countless LGBT citizens who at the least have to worry about the very right to protect their property from double taxes or to visit a life partner in ER, or at the very worst end up jeered at, fired, attacked, beaten, maimed, or killed because this administration rams down the ignorant sheeple's throats about the dangers of TEH GAY.

F Condi, Dubya, Turd Blossom, Brownie, all of them in the entire administration who put their own egos, skewed selfish ideals, and BLOOD LUST ahead of all else, and to the damage of not just the LGBT population, but the entire nation.

 

ee 

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by: Julien Sharp @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 08:24:02 AM CDT

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Right on. No sympathy for Condi.

Whether she suffered closet or not, don't put too much emotion into her situation.  We may not have had a choice in our sexuality, but she made a conscious decision to stand by every thing this administration has done.  If she indeed had a conscience, she would have jumped ship like Powell, Snow, Rove (not that they had a conscience).

She, and all neocons, should be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Don't give her the get out of jail lesbo-card.

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by: dstavro @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 13:37:50 PM CDT

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here, here

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by: Karen in Kalifornia @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 11:44:39 AM CDT

best gay friend

Well, if her best male friend is gay, doesn't that make her ipso facto (or ipso faggo) straight?

:-) 

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 13:08:34 PM CDT

Rice and Bean's property

Okay, I can't even go into that right now. I just can't get past the sound of that and I know nobody, but nobody could just make this stuff up.

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by: katecontinued @ Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 19:29:52 PM CDT

Curious

Is it an investment property or has she ever stayed there?

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by: cyntmac @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 09:24:02 AM CDT

not new news

to those in the know.

http://EQFL.org

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by: banshiii @ Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 23:35:33 PM CDT