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The rationalizations of the trans-stripped ENDA crowd fall flat

by: Pam Spaulding

Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 08:00:00 AM EDT


Michelangelo Signorile gets to the heart of the problem of the rationalizations of some in our community that the incremental approach, attempting to pass a version of ENDA without trans-inclusion, is misguided at best, to be charitable. The comparisons to incremental legislative gains in the black civil rights movement and the incremental steps of civil unions to marriage equality completely miss the mark.
Even though we believe marriage is the goal we herald civil union gains as an interim measure. But that doesn't wash: Whether it's marriage or civil unions it's still for all of us and not just some of us. (Or did I miss the part where some genius said, Let's pass civil unions for lesbians first and come back to the gay men later, since lesbians might be less threatening than gay men?) Incremetalism does not mean cutting out whole groups of people.

Another comparison I've seen from those who support dropping gender identity from the bill is that their action is similar to the supposedly pragmatic activists during the black civil rights movement who understood that they needed to start small and grow -- they started with employment, and then moved on to housing and public accommodations in later years. That, again, is a disingenuous comparison...African-Americans did not say, Hey, let's put forth a bill to protect all the light-skinned blacks -- those who can pass and are less threatening to whites -- and we'll come back to the blackest of the black later. And make no mistake: the trannies are the queerest of the queer; they are the ones who need protections more than anyone else.

Regarding all the high-minded pledges from various people who say we will come back for the transgendered and make sure we add them later: We have seen an unfortunate history of leaving people behind within this movement, I'm sorry to remind you. Soon after the onset of the HIV drug cocktail, for example, many middle class gay white men went back to their lives (including, among many, having unprotected sex, and fetishing it on "bareback" sites) while HIV ravages other communities in this country and much of the rest of the planet. The political will within the gay community in America to help those other communities has all but died. (Oh, and do I also need to point out that the promise to come back for the trannies was made in New York when its gay rights bill was passed? That was five years ago, and they're still waiting.)
Well said. Many of you have mentioned that last bolded point in your comments and diaries -- in many cases trans protections have not been addressed years after sexual orientation measures were passed. The old "I got mine" mindset reduces motivation to act for those groups left behind.

On his show, btw, Mike noted that the calls ran 10 to 1 in favor of leaving ENDA as is.

Anyone who regularly reads the Blend knows that I generally fall into the pragmatist camp on many issues, including marriage equality, and know full well that political strategy and policy advancement is as important as purist activism. However, as a minority within a minority within a minority (female, black, lesbian), for me this one issue is a no-brainer --  I know what it is like to be marginalized by more than one of the groups I inhabit.

To think that the decision to dump T protections is based on the fact that we should help the largest group of marginalized folks at the expense of a subset is horrible, particularly when proposed so quickly by our own -- and allies on the Hill. A trans-inclusive ENDA would have been a symbolic vote, given Bush would veto it anyway, yet Ts were sold out in a flash because, in the minds of some, the floor debate, which will be contentious at any time given the kind of tactics the religious right uses, is too frightening. Just incredible. Leadership without a spine.

***

On September 14, HRC's Joe Solmonese reiterated the organization's commitment to trans-inclusive ENDA, and it was captured on video.


"We try to walk a thin line in terms of keeping everything in play, and making sure that we move forward but always being clear that we absolutely do not support and in fact oppose any legislation that is not absolutely inclusive, and we have sent that message loud and clear to the Hill."

It's breathtaking how quickly our elected Hill allies rolled this baby over. No matter how you slice it, HRC got screwed on this one politically, particularly since they now have to fete Nancy Pelosi at the organization's national dinner next week. In the end, the real losers, of course, are our trans brothers and sisters who are watching their rights being kicked around, a political football.

After the jump, two more videos -- from the re-introduction of ENDA -- statements made by Joe Solmonese and Barney Frank.

Pam Spaulding :: The rationalizations of the trans-stripped ENDA crowd fall flat
Joe Solmonese, shot on the day ENDA was re- introduced (April 24, 2007). An excerpt:

Today, nearly 90 percent of Americans believe that gays and lesbians should have equal employment opportunities. Furthermore, a healthy majority of Americans support congressional action to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

Across the board, the majority of Americans believe employment decisions should be based on a person’s qualifications and work ethic. And it goes against our most fundamental American values to fire someone based solely upon who they are.

This bill isn’t about excusing lackluster job performance. It is about giving all hardworking Americans a fair chance to get ahead without discrimination or bias.

Many of America’s top corporate leaders have already figured out that a workplace free of discrimination and bias is good for business – and good for the American workforce. 
Barney Frank, on the same day, clearly before he found a reason to cut Ts out for pragmatic reasons:


"This is a protection against discrimination that has been tried in a number of states, beginning in Wisconsin more than 20 years ago, and it has worked extremely well. It has caused none of the problems that opponents inaccurately claimed it would and it has provided job protection for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people who ask simply to be allowed do their jobs and be judged on their job performance."



John Smallwood of Equality Alabama, a repressive state where you'd think the urgency to pass even a trans-free ENDA would be popular, was outraged at the prospect of "slamming the door shut in the face of our transgender brothers and sisters," as he told me. He sent me a link to a petition effort to reinforce support for a trans-inclusive ENDA:

To Speaker Pelosi:

We are disturbed that the Congressional leadership has decided to eliminate transgender people from the latest version of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). LGBT organizations and allies have been working for years to pass a bill that protects gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender employees alike. The decision to split the bill into two new pieces of legislation - one for sexual orientation and another for gender identity - threatens to divide our community.

We oppose any version of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act that does not include both sexual orientation and gender identity. Transgender people are among the most marginalized and vulnerable groups within the LGBT community. In a 2006 survey of transgender people conducted by the Transgender Law Center, 57% reported being discriminated against in employment and 60% earned less than $15,300 per year. The entire country has an interest in seeing the transgender community thrive in the national economy. Without protection against discrimination, that is nearly impossible.

We commend you on your history of service to the LGBT community. We now call upon you to remain consistent in your efforts to help the entire LGBT community. Please stay true to your commitment to an ENDA that includes both gender identity and sexual orientation.
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Sorry Wilford Brimley.

As a Lesbian of transsexual experience and as a seminarian working toward ordination, I have a bit of an ethical take on this issue. Signorile, with whom I often disagree, has it oh-so-right here. As I noted on my blog, the fact that it's more difficult to pass the bill with trans inclusion means that trans inclusion is needed even more.

If people really want to retain the right to discriminate against transpeople, transpeople need help now, and now is the wrong time to abandon them.

Lest anyone think this is self-serving, I am out by choice at work and school. I "pass" fairly well, but I choose to not deny my experience and let others bear the burden.  I will not use my privelege to my own benefit while letting my brothers and sisters fight.

I could easily take the protections for me as a Lesbian and go "stealth" so that I need not worry about my transgender history. My Christian beliefs lead me to look outside my own self-interest and come to the aid of all of my brothers and sisters. 

I know it may be difficult for gay and Lesbian people to think of themselves as priveleged. But consider what it would take to show up at work as the opposite sex, and to have your supervisors, coworkers, and customers take you seriously.

Privelege is not for enriching our own lives. It is for giving voice to those without, so they may gain as well.






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Thanks for your support, Pam

This ENDA exclusion has been very tough for me.  I expect these things from Republicans, but to get the shiv from within the GLB community and other supposed allies has torn me apart. 

Spineless.  

It is like finding out that you're the adopted kid and are getting written out of the will. 

Every time I hear "We Are Family" at a gay bar, I am gonna think "screw that."

From out of nowhere, I found myself crying because of something said by a member of Congress and a few bloggers. I am a fairly tough chick, but even I can be vulnerable to a sudden attack on my worth as a person.

Thanks for having my back. 



Double, Triple and Fourple...

Yes - thanks, thanks and more thanks.

Thanks for supporting us - and thanks for letting folks like me and Autumn (yay Autumn!) provide our thoughts and analyses.

Kat



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[ Parent ]
Bottom line

By stripping out protections for trans people, the weak-kneed LGB ENDA crowd is throwing all trannies AND LGB gender queers under the proverbial political bus. Seems to me only those queers who can pass as non-queer will get federal protections.

 ENDA needs to protect EVERYONE



Indeed
It's gross that our "leaders" stripped ENDA. As pointed out above the difficulty in passing an inclusive ENDA is proportional to how needed it is. Those employment figures are staggering evidence of that. This should have been a big fight on the floor.

Frank and the rest of the community in favor of a discriminatory ENDA seem hell bent on getting it to a veto. I'm betting that's because a veto will be highly publicized. It will appear that Democrats are fighting hard for LGB's. That fight is probably being seen as a great fundraising talking point.

A bill not getting out of Congress? Maybe they figured it wouldn't be as newsworthy and therefore less of a donation getter. BUT, huge numbers of groups could have gotten the word out to LGBT's that friendly legislators were working hard to pass civil rights for everyone.

I know it's cynical of me to equate the push to veto as nothing more than seeking to improve fund raising (and that I'm rambling). But, why exactly did we remove an entire group's civil rights from the bill?  Signorile's right about the "incremental steps" cover. And the fundies aren't going to cut a legislator any slack for "yea" on a LGB ENDA vs. a "yea" on a LGBT ENDA.

And racymind, Aravosis has a post title up, "Barney and ENDA Transgender controversy. And, he's right."

That "And, he's right" is something I will always remember.

Electricity's for light bulbs!


I agree with Barney Frank, please forgive me.
 

Politics is a pragmatic business. You take what you can when you can get it and compromise as is necessary on the way to your ultimate goal. The only two institutions that have the ability to make sweeping changes are 1] a united congress with a supermajority and a like minded president ans2] the SCOTUS. Everything else is up to OTHER peoples decisions.

 

Thought one: Ideologues who take the moral high ground are philosophically right not to abandon the unity of TG inclusion. However, at the end of the day many ideologues are left with ONLY the high ground. If it is all or nothing, settling for the dirt is a poor option.

 

Thought two: Unlike racial civil rights, we are a very mixed bag. Everyone can wrap their brains around the concept of all AA people (even if it includes true Africans with no ties to historical slavery, Ethiopians, Nigerians and the like) and all Asian peoples, I have a difficulty with Latinos (who are Caucasian) claiming a racial grouping based on an ethnic claim. Whatever. It is still easy to assimilate. But, now we in the GBLT, LGBT, LGBTQ, community have decided that we are the umbrella group for all sexual minority civil rights. I have no problem with this. I understand people that do. When these issues collide the only productive alternative is the traditional, pragmatic one. 

Thought three: I am really tired of the metaphor  "throw under the bus"; I much prefer "toss into the volcano". It's more accurate. 

 

"Compromise"
I don't know why people in favour of a non-T inclusive ENDA keep referring to it as a "compromise". In a compromise, both sides give up something that they want in order to get the rest of the things they want.

In this situation, gays and lesbians are giving up absolutely nothing, while transgender people are being asked to give up everything they want out of the bill.

Some compromise!


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this discussion has changed my mind.

I am a gay man in Houston and I have never met a T.  I have to admit that my initial reaction fell into the "let's get what we can since we have been fighting for so long" camp.  NO LONGER.  After reading all of the comments and posts here and at AMERICAblog, I have realized that I am shocked and appalled that our community would so willingly throw people under the bus becasue the debate would be uncomfortable.  Well lots of things are unconfortable.  Congress needs to get over it!  WE NEED TO GET OVER IT.  It is time for protections for all of America. It is not time to divide our group...IT IS GLBT NOT GLBt...and I did not even really realize this fully until this weekend.  Thanks for opening up my eyes.  I will be more inclusive in my discussions and decisions from now on.  Keep up the good fight - it is the right thingto be fighting for.

Ahtilla

 



Ahtilla

Ahtilla, thank you

I'm so happy for your own transition. Check out my blog if you want to rattle some House Democrat's cages:

 

 http://harryfourthun...



[ Parent ]
I'm glad you have decided
to support your fellow Houstonians, including me!  Your support is very much appreciated, and I thank you.  We (the queer community) don't need to be throwing anyone under the bus or in the volcano or out of the plane or whatever.  Equal rights should be just that: EQUAL.

[ Parent ]
Confusion and ignorance

I have an issue with the way Michelangelo characterises the issues.  The problem is that a lot of GLB people have an issue with seeing transgendered rights and GLB rights as being one and the same thing.  Unlike race, there are significant differences in some of the issues faced by transgendered people and the wider GLB community.  It is not the same as lighter/darker skinned races.

 I am 25 (and live in London) and for as long as I can remember, transgendered and GBL rights have been wedded together.  I have taken it as a given, but there is a real lack of understanding in the gay and lesbian community as to the importance of standing together.  I can't tell the amount of times I have heard resistance to the T at the end of LGBT.  Before resistent legislators can be convinced, it seems to me there is a lot of work still to do within the community.  Maybe I am making too many generalisations...

I am sorry if this sounds muddled.  I guess it relfects on my own feelings on the issue.  I wrote initially that I thought the strategy, though flawed was probably the best strategy.  But I have to admit that I am not nearly as certain as I once was.



Thank you

I would like to commend Michelangelo for the brilliantly written position, and for taking the right stand on this issue. I would also like to thank Pam for giving this issue a forum, and for so strongly supporting the T of the GLBT family. We are, after all, at least in my opinion, a family. We need to stick together. I feel more welcome here than anywhere else on the net. And I'm not even trans, but I went through a lot of the same experiences, and I face a lot of the same obstacles and discriminations.

Anyway......thanks......



A society without religion is like a maniac without a chainsaw.

Leave No One Behind
 

Where to begin. I am so angry at some members of our community right now. Moral pygmies. I too want to thank Michelangelo for his brilliantly written post.  He said everything I have been feeling and more. Even though I have had my disagreements with him in the past over sexual freedom issues, he has become one of my favorite GLBT leaders. I listen to his show almost every weekday. On this and many other issues, he speaks for me.

Luckily, among activists this is a no-brainer. Every national organization except HRC has come out against a non-trans inclusive bill, as have many local groups.
Am I the only one to notice the irony of Joe Solmonese's speech at the Jena 6 demonstration. This is what he said:

" I am here -- we are here -- because you have stood with us.  Because all of us know that one injustice against any of us is an injustice against all of us.
And I am here because I remember.  I remember James Byrd.  James was a gentle soul, a special soul.  Someone who struggled his whole life with challenges, but was filled with love and was deeply loved in Jasper, Texas.

But James Byrd -- at 49 -- was savagely beaten, then chained to a pickup truck and literally dragged to his death.  He was brutally murdered because he was black.

And then something really profound happened.  Remember when George Bush was governor of Texas?  Well, Governor Bush had a hate crimes bill on his desk. There was a lot of pressure to sign the bill because of what they did to James Byrd.  So, George Bush said he'd sign that bill, but they had to take the gays out.

And here's what happened.  Stella Byrd, who has just buried her beaten, broken, gentle James said, If some of us are left out, then all of us are.  Valuing one life and not valuing another is not right.  And the Byrd family said No. They said No. And they walked away."

The Byrd family could have said, "let's take what we can get and come back for the gays later", but they didn't. As http://archive.salon... >this article from Salon.com made clear:

Bush's opposition to the bill reportedly revolved around the fact that it would cover gays and lesbians. The governor's office "contacted the family and asked if we would consider taking sexual orientation out of the bill," Harris says. "And our answer was no, because the bill is for everybody. Everybody should be protected by the law."

They held out until 2001 when http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups307.html> a more inclusive bill was passed. Now HRC, and the entire LGB community, is faced with a similar choice. Are we going to do the right thing?

 

Links are turned off

I didn't notice that links are turned off because I added them myself.

The salon.com article is here:

http://archive.salon...
 

The article about the 2001 bill that was signed into law is here:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups307.html

 



ENDA isn't going to be passed by congress and signed into law this year, so it isn't worth spending a lot of time on.

 

But Signorile's column is just plain silly.  His analogies do not hold up under scrutiny.  Example:

Hey, let's put forth a bill to protect all the light-skinned blacks -- those who can pass and are less threatening to whites -- and we'll come back to the blackest of the black later

That is just stupid.  If a light-skinned black person was fired, or was refused hire, based on actual or perceived race, that would be a violation of the 1964 civil rights act--based on race.  Under non-T ENDA, if a T were to be fired or refused hire, based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, the same.

Example:

We have seen an unfortunate history of leaving people behind within this movement, I'm sorry to remind you. Soon after the onset of the HIV drug cocktail, for example, many middle class gay white men went back to their lives (including, among many, having unprotected sex, and fetishing it on "bareback" sites) while HIV ravages other communities in this country...

reflecting, of course, the fact that HIV/AIDS is not a gay condition.  So why should gay people and gay groups be charged with the obligation to combat HIV/AIDS, moreso than others?  The information as to how to protect oneself from HIV/AIDS has been known for well over a decade, and I, for one, don't feel that gay people should feel themselves to be obligated to fight HIV/AIDS merely because they're gay.

Regarding claudew @ Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 13:32:18 PM EDT , as far as I can tell, nobody (or few people) is talking about taking Ts out of the federal hate crimes bill.  There is a difference between the goals of federal hate crimes bill and the environment in which the goals of ENDA would be carried out. Employment of necessity is a much more intimate environment--crime is not--and, as I pointed out on another thread, it is far from clear that Ts have laid the groundwork for making people comfortable with them..

Politics is the art of the possible.  If congresspeople believe that it might be possible to pass a non-T ENDA at this point in time (I don't believe that is correct, but, regardless) I'd rely on their opinion  And, as I explained in another thread, I would be quite resentful towards Ts if they hold ENDA hostage to their inclusion initially.  Like their groups tried to do in NYS.



The transphobic art of limp cliche

"Under non-T ENDA, if a T were to be fired or refused hire, based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, the same."

Find an instance where a transsexual, discriminated against for transitioning or attempting to transition, succeeded under a state gay-only rights law.  There are lots of state gay-only rights laws out there, so I'm sure you can find plenty of examples to back up your posture(ing).

"Politics is the art of the possible"

And transphobia is the art of the limp cliche.

"I would be quite resentful towards Ts if they hold ENDA hostage to their inclusion initially"

So you would have no problem if transsexuals resented how the ill-conceived, greed-addled, power-drunk gay marriage push has resulted in the erasure of already-existing rights of transsexuals?  And, in turn, actively worked not to defeat anti-gay marriage laws but simply to include clauses in state DOMAs and the FMA to protect our existing rights?

Yeh - I didn't think so.

Kat



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[ Parent ]
But Raj,

"Under non-T ENDA, if a T were to be fired or refused hire, based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, the same."

 

But what if a transgender person was fired for being "manning" or "dressing funny"? Those could be dismissed as having nothing to do with sexual oriention, because not all gays will dress "that way" or look "funny".

I'm hoping other people will share their stories of how oriention protection alone does not suffiently help transgender people. I'm unfamiliar with examples, but I do remember that "sexual orientation", "gender" (not idenity/expression) have been interpreted by courts to not include transgender people.

Any examples to help me out, my trans friends? 

 

 



[ Parent ]
Signorile's position

seems grounded in a strong conviction that  LGB-ness and T-ness are basically the same thing, at least in some important conceptual sense. In that case, the analogy you cite is at least somewhat apt: he's arguing that legal protections on the basis of sexual orientation without corresponding protections on the basis of gender identity would be no more sensible than race-based protections that exclude particularly dark-skinned black people.

But I'm going to agree with you that his argument is a bit dubious.  Homophobia and transphobia are definitely closely related, but sexual orientation and gender identity are clearly separable in a way that (as far as I know - I'm no expert on the hsitory of race relations in America) light-skinned blackness and darker-skinned blackness weren't.

    as I pointed out on another thread, it is far from clear that Ts have laid the groundwork for making people comfortable with them..

This is completely ridiculous.

1) If people were "comfortable" with Ts, legal protections wouldn't be necessary. That people are not "comfortable" with Ts is an excellent reason to push for their rights to be explicitly set forth in the law.

2) It is far from clear: stated with completely unmerited authority. To whom is it far from clear? To you? Could you source this claim if you wanted to? What would make it clear?

    I would be quite resentful towards Ts if they hold ENDA hostage to their inclusion initially.  Like their groups tried to do in NYS.

Ts: a minority within a minority. Lazy, too, judging from their unwillingness to "lay groundwork," et cetera. But piss them off, and they can single-handedly halt the mighty juggernaut of GLB rights! Oh noes!

Ahem. raj, I do not think that simple repetition is going to make this assertion of yours any less inane.



[ Parent ]
Bills are proposed for other reasons than expected victory

1. educating legislators on the issues

2. getting a record of who will vote which way, and an idea why

3. training citizens to be activists

in other words, as a dry run for more favorable times. It is a judgement call whether to run with a bill that can't be successful.

 

I expounded ad nauseum on this in other posts. But I come from a state that had a repeal the antisodomy law bill introduced for the past 25 or so legislative sessions until at last, 4 years after LvT SCOTUS decision had made said law unconstitutional, the lege finally passed the repeal bill.



[ Parent ]
Another thing
I've been stewing about this as we've been moving today.  I really have no interest in or need of gaining a civil right if the price is denying that right to someone else.  I won't willingly engage in that kind of trade. Given events of the past few days, it looks as if that's the future of the legislative offering regardless of the party in the Oval Office.

I'm afraid that if I let myself be taken in by a discriminatory ENDA, the next thing you know, I might start calling myself a "lookout for yourself Libertarian."  Before you know it I'll be a "oh that's not really hurting anyone is it? Republican."

Thanks, but no thanks.

Electricity's for light bulbs!


Occam's Razor
Bush is going to veto ENDA anyway, and the votes to override aren't there, so what in the hell do the Democrats think they're gaining by excluding the transfolk? It makes no sense, unless, of course, you apply Occam's Razor. Then, you come up with what I truly believe is this real reason for this nonsense: the Democratic leadership is transphobic. Shame on Frank and Pelosi especially.

Washington Blade's Poll on ENDA Transgender Inclusion

As of 2:00 PM, Pacific Daylight Time today:
THE Q : Washington Blade's Viewer Poll

Washington Blade
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2007

Should gay rights groups support ENDA if transgender protections are removed?

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a. Yes, we need to win rights incrementally. 12%

b. No, we should stick together. 85%

c. Who cares? Bush is going to veto it anyway. 1%

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Check back regularly for updated polling questions concerning your community!

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~~Autumn~~

As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
--Henry David Thoreau


We are united

I have to tell you that this so-called "family fight" is rather one-sided. From what I hear, there seems to be agreement that we shouldn't move forward with ENDA without inclusion of gender identity.

My hope is that our transgender allies will now see that they do have allies in the LGB community. Though many of us in the LGBT community are not transgendered, we recognize that we're all in this together and that we need to continue to work together for our united mission of equality. Sure, there may be a few LGBT leaders who still don't get it. But, let's face it - they are in the minority on this issue. 

While I was initially worried that this issue was going to split the LGBT community, I'm pleasantly pleased to see that we have come together. Barney and Joe - are you listening?



what if ENDA only applied to bi-sexuals?
The tide is turning when it comes to acceptance of gay and lesbian people.  I really believe that our equal rights are within reach,  close enough  that turning our backs on the transgendered seems truly wrong.

Transgender is difficult to process, and hard for many people to accept.  They're not necessarily gay, but we share a lot. They're where we were 30 years ago. I think it's better to wait for all of us to be free than to settle. I don't even have trans-sexual friends. It just feels wrong.  I am so proud of Tammy Baldwin for withdrawing her name.


Well...

"Transgender is difficult to process, and hard for many people to accept.  They're not necessarily gay, but we share a lot. They're where we were 30 years ago."

I appreciate your support - but I do need to point out what I've pointed out elsewhere in these ENDA threads: That third above-quoted sentence is not exactly so.  States began legislatively accepting the legitimacy of transsexualism before they began to even decriminalize gay sex.  As for marriage?  Well, in New Jersey, you're where we were 30 years ago (M.T. v. J.T., 355 A.2d 204 (N.J. Super. App. Div. 1976)).

Kat



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[ Parent ]
Let's reflect on how splintering hurts the community
Recently there was an attempt by an lgbt political club to get a municipality to pass an ENDA law. The club is small, and the only Ts that ever attended either were on every committee known to the LGBT and T community, or ditto and lived 2 hours away from the usual meeting place of the club, and they dropped out after a while. The "regulars" were presented by the club president with a plan to have one of the sympathetic (straight) assemblypeople present an ENDA bill that did not include Ts. Much arguing. About half agreed with the club president, and the other half didn't want to have anything to do with a non-T ENDA. Club president wanted this to be done "under the radar", not involving other LGBT organisations in the lobbying. Club president ran with it but was surprised when few people worked on it or lobbied their own assemblyperson. Assemblypeople noted that the club couldn't deliver in the lobbying department, some withdrew their support, the bill failed. The failure was reported in the newspaper, and became known to other local, state, and national lgbt organisations, as well as with Democratic organizations who have talked to the group. Now everyone is in a snit with everyone else. The club has lost all credibility. The municipality doesn't have an ENDA law/policy of any kind.

United we stand , divided we shall fall

  Its the LGBT community not the LGB community . period. My best friend is post op T. I cannot tell you the despair , the struggle and she is married. It was this gal , who stayed till 3 am in the state legislative gallery while our state bill got passed including T in it. We any of us, who doubt or would settle for a bill that does not include the T need to look hard at our own hearts.  Marriage is not the bill we really need in my opinion. First we need all the Federal protections based on our constitutional rights..Then we logically follow to civil marriage..(which is what all marriages ought to be called.) The movement under clinton suffered badly. Many Dems use us , but in a different way than the fundies..Remember ! WE are a powerful constituentcy ..dispite losing half our tribe. Remember divided we fall, REMEMBER - WE ARE PROUD and LOUD. They will never give us anything UNTIL we demand it Rise UP and feel our power. Make our money Gay money etc.  We must be intransigent. 

 

Remember the first days of ACT UP and LARRY KRAMER.  Compormise will get us no where. People need to educate themselves...one example i give is all the intersex characteristics we see in fish and frogs. Who is to say - that these environental effects are not part of our biology along the TG lines.. it makes sense to me.  I am a bio female..but at age three i told my mother my name was Pete. WE know we were born Gay or Bi -  we know the only choice we make is to affirm this positively. WE know LGBT is not a life style..life style means do i like to camp or do i prefer to stay in hotel , do i ski or do i prefer chess - thats a life style questions...  

   We must have the courage and patience of Mrs. Byrd. NO one gets left behind in our struggle. Especially those of us in most need of protections..who led the way , took the brunt of the hatred.  The thought of abandoning them is unnacceptable.  Do not forget the Dems benefit when they divide us.  

 Rest assured those struggling with TG issues/life - WE will NOT abandon YOU EVER ! 

  



Transpeople got cut out of the James Byrd Bill...TWICE

Claude,

You brought up the James Byrd Hate Crimes Bill in Texas as a situation in which other people (African-Americans) wouldn't allow gays to be cut out of that legislation..

You're parrtially right on that.  What you didn't know is that transpeople were cut out of the bill BOTH times on 1999 and 2001.  The people that lobbied the hardest to get us yanked were the Lesbian Gay Rights Lobby.  

We were left behind (as usual), and two years later the Texas House went Repugnican.  So we transgender Texans have ZERO chance to get included in that legislation until the Dems get contol back. 

So until I moved from my birth state, I was in the Catch-22 situation in which if heaven forbid, someone perpetrated a hate crime against me, a defense attorney could literally make this argument in order to avoid the enhanced penaties for his client.

"Your honor, my client didn't kill this person because they were Black, they killed them because they were transgender." 

 

 



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