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Numbers? Numbers? Flying Over Which Numbers?

by: KatRose

Sat Oct 20, 2007 at 20:53:59 PM EDT


(crossposted at ENDAblog

 

Which number is greater – the number of gay and lesbian people in Alaska or the number of trans people in New York?

 

I don’t know.  For some reason, I’m thinking it’s the latter. (Bear in mind –  I mean not just transsexuals, but transgendered people in general.)

 

Which number is greater – the number of gay and lesbian people in Alaska and Wyoming or the number of trans people in New York?

 

I’m still leaning toward the latter – but, still, I don’t know.  And I leave it to you for wander off to wikipedia or the census bureau to find the state-by-state numbers (though, when last I checked, Alaska and Wyoming were 50 & 49 respectively in the state  population derby.)

 

Do you see where I’m going, though?  The Aravosisists put forth the lie that a trans-inclusive ENDA holds 25 million gays and lesbians hostage to a few thousand (maybe 100K) trannies.

 

After the flip, I show that the numbers don't quite add up to the picture that certain opponents of trans-inclusion want you to see.

KatRose :: Numbers? Numbers? Flying Over Which Numbers?

Numbers, numbers, numbers.

 

What is the 25M figure from – approximately 10% of the US population?  9%?  Whatever.

 

Well, think about how much of the overall US population is covered by sexual orientation state civil rights laws:

Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and D.C. 

Gee – that’s roughly 40% of the nation, just in terms of numbers of state-level jurisdictions.

Population?  California by itself is a heavy duty chunk of the U.S. (12-14% or so?)  No Texas on that list, and no Ohio, and no Pennsylvania, and no Michigan and no Florida – but there’s New York.  That’s a pretty hefty chunk, too.

 

Let’s face it, other than redress against a federal employer in federal court, the gay-only, federal ENDA doesn’t do anything more for gays and lesbians in those gay-rights-law states than their state laws do (in fact, many of the state laws allow actions against smaller employers than will federal law.)

 

Now, think about how much of the overall US population is covered by trans-inclusive sexual orientation state civil rights laws:

Vermont, Maine, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, New Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, and D.C. 

A nice chunk in its own right – but no New York and no Massachusetts.

 

Now, let’s look at the gap – the gap between the trans-inclusive and the non-inclusive:

Wisconsin, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Nevada, and Hawaii. 

Which number is greater – the number of gay and lesbian people in Alaska or the number of trans people in all eight of those states combined?

 

Which number is greater – the number of gay and lesbian people in Alaska and Wyoming combined or the number of trans people in all eight of those states combined?

 

Which number is greater – the number of gay and lesbian people in Alaska, Wyoming and South Dakota combined or the number of trans people in all eight of those states combined?

 

And so on…

 

Where does the irresistible Aravosis meet the immovable reality?  How many no-gay-rights-law-at-all states’ combined GLB population matches the combined T population of the gay-only-law states?

 

Yes – there will be a gap.  No matter how the numbers add up and sift out, there will be some significant portion of the GLB populace not covered – and that number will outnumber the combined T population of the gay-only-law states.

 

But not by 25 million.

 

And then there's the 'D' factor.  What's that?  Its something I'm referring to as the actual, practical likelihood of being discriminated against.

 

If you can be honset with yourself (something seemingly absent in the Aravosis camp), you'll know that trsns people are much more likely to be discriminated against (and many of us live in fear of discrimination by the very class of elites that are most salivating over a gay-only ENDA.) 

 

Is it a factor of two?  Five?  Ten?  A hundred?  A thousand?

 

Taking whatever D factor you might be willing to acknowledge into account, not only will the number of uncovered non-trans GLBs not outnumber trans people by the gazillions that Aravosis wants you to see - but very possibly we will outnumber them.

 

The bill is supposed to be about protection, after all.  What is more importasnt? Covering large numbers of people not-as-likely to be discriminated against?  Or smaller numbers of people who are all-but-guaranteed to be discriminated against?

 

Frankenvosisistic orthodoxy will brand that as idealistic.

 

I say its reality - its simply not the reality that they face when they wake up each morning and go to work (or go to find work.)

 

Certain conservaqueers are propagating the neo-myth that the proponents of trans-inclusion are sacrificing the ‘fly-over states’.

 

Look at the list again:

Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and D.C. 

I’ve italicized the arguably-flyover states.

 

Look at ‘em.

 

I see a lot of italicizing.

 

And I see a lot of people flying over a lot of states with gay rights laws (and, of those, only one is not trans-inclusive - Wisconsin.)

 

Yes, the south is screwed – no way around it.  And Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio (but, realistically, they're one or two liberal-leaning election cycles away from being able to get such laws done; Alabama? Not so much.)

 

But don’t talk to me in general terms about fly-over states being sacrificed. 

 

It’s the Ts – everywhere – that are being sacrificed.

 

Sacrificed for a lie.

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I'm not too fond of this approach...

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the intent of your post, but I'm not in favor of trans-only legislation.  We won't get anywhere with a "we can be mean, too" approach.  That will only widen the GLB and T divide, and piss off an awful lot of GLB allies.

I'm also not sure that playing statistical number games helps, either.  We should be pushing a trans-inclusive ENDA because it's the right thing to do, rather than b/c there's this many trans folk compared to that many GLB folk.  Numbers games come awfully close to ranking oppressions, which is frequently destructive to the oppressed groups involved. 



Social outrage is power protecting itself; it is not morality. -- Andrea Dworkin

No - not 'trans-only'

"Maybe I'm misinterpreting the intent of your post, but I'm not in favor of trans-only legislation."

No - I'm advocating trans-inclusive legislation. 

"We won't get anywhere with a 'we can be mean, too' approach.  That will only widen the GLB and T divide, and piss off an awful lot of GLB allies."

Well, I'm not sure the gap can be wider.  And, though I realize there is a fine line between the two, I'm actually not going for 'we can be mean, too.'  I'm simply challenging the 'reality' put forth by those who are saying that standing firm on trans-inclusion holds as many people 'hostage' as the Frank/Aravosis/Crain/Carpenter crowd assert.  In fact, I'm simply asserting that the only people actually being held 'hostage' are trans people.

"I'm also not sure that playing statistical number games helps, either."

I know its a dangerous game - and one that I actually do not like.   However, the situation has gotten where it is because of the skewings (often numerical / statistical) by the Frank/Aravosis/Crain/Carpenter cowd (and their political forebears.)  When I see them assert that they are sooooooooooooooooo much more palatable politically because of certain legal victories, I feel it is a moral, political and life-sustaining imperative to point out (1) the legal time line on which we were fare more palatable than they and (2) current statiistics which undermine their claims.

If we lose our history, we lose our future.

Kat



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