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John Aravosis displays ignorance on marriage rights

by: dyssonance

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 04:10:55 AM EDT


While cruising through a list of recent stories on transgender issues, I discovered that in a posting made Monday by Aravosis (who recently slammed United ENDA in a transphobic rant) in which a simple postscript demonstrates his utter lack of understanding about the nature of marriage rights. 

PS As an aside, I've just learned that there's at least one senior transgender leader in America who is married (and I'm sure other straight transgendered people are married). That's nice, and I support their right to marry. But I do find it odd that the gay community is being asked (well, told) to put our employment rights on hold until the transgender community can get theirs, but the transgender community isn't putting its marriage rights on hold until we get ours. Then again, I'd never ask them to put their rights on hold until I got mine.

  This shows that not only is he unaware of how transgender people are affected by marriage prohibitions for same sex couples, but how tirelessly the transgender activists work at the grass roots level for those very same rights. 

dyssonance :: John Aravosis displays ignorance on marriage rights

In the United States, the ability to marry for a transgender person will vary accoridng to the particular type of transgender person they are, the status of their birth certificate, their state (and in some cases county) laws, and court precedents that are difficult to readily be aware of unless, bluntly, you are an active follower of such things, and even their operative state.

The rules really are that complex.

Straight cross dressers can marry without much problem anywhere.

Transsexuals who are straight have several hurdles, however, and, these days, transgender is used all too often (and erroneously, imo) to describe just them.

Transsexuals, however, can often be bisexual or gay (assuming one uses a non specific description).

Transsexuals have differnt genders for differnt legal purposes in most stats.  In some states, they can have a birth certificate that says male, a driver's license that says fmale, be legally female for employment, and legally male for marriage.

In other states, they can have a birth certificate that matches their true gender, but not be legally that gender for marriage purposes.

Texas has counties, an some jursidictions forbid marriage altogether.

The situation is so complex that between an amendment to the constitution banning same sex amrriage and a court precedent in Kansas, a couple that in any ohter situation would be considered gay can get married -- becuase despite the birth certificate, they are still considered their original gender assignment.

Texas has voided marriages and denied surviror's benefits to Transsexual couples (under Bush, no less).

Furthermore, because states are loathe to void marriages that were legal prior to a partners transition, there are situations where some states simply have fully legal same sex marraiges despite laws or amendments nullifying them. People can't ask for voiding -- they must file for divorce like anyone else, even if the transition has wrecked the marriage.

 So transgender marriage rights *are* on hold until we all get marriage rights equally.

 

 

 

  

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Aravosisism

Nice analysis.

Over at ENDAblog I have a slightly more visceral take on this latest example of Aravosis showing his true colors: Aravosis is Relying on Peter LaBarbera - Really.

Kat



>^..^<

Also

I also recommend Kynn's piece: Why Aravosis?

Kat



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[ Parent ]
Read it
Definitely is adequate at explaining my feelings on the rest of his post -- although I think that you were actually too kind.

I focused on that little bit because I truly can't see straight and think clearly when thinking about the rest.

He's an idiot that is even selling out the very people he claims to be supporting (in his own words, no less -- he noted that butch lesbians and fey gay men are transgender).

He forgets that, being gay, he is, to those in opposition, defying gender roles.  That's what the Leviticus passage is meant to enforce, after all -- gender roles.

I liked the piece :D

ANd thanks for commenting.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
Aravosis: Swift boating the Ts

He is using the tactics of Karl Rove to promote his agenda.

Instead of simply advocating for his version of ENDA and promoting the value of the bill, he attacks the individuals that are being excluded from protection by continually regarding them as unworthy and illegitimate and alien.

His argument is based on the promotion of ignorance and creates a sense of perceived injustice by encouraging resentment where it hasn't necessariy existed.  

Since the point of his agenda - new and improved ENDA - is not a strong enough argument to be supported outright, Aravosis must rely upon a smear campaign (an unrelenting one at that) to make the compromises it now includes acceptable.

When John Kerrys experience as a former soldier with a distinguished record that urged his government to end the Vietnam war was starting to make Bush look unaccomplished, false and corrupt a group of former veterans created a campaign to instill a false image of Kerry.  

Since those hawks couldn't make Bush look better than Kerry, they relied upon deception and created probable cause to make voters doubt the validity of Kerry's record.  

Aravosis is doing the same thing with the T community.  He is casting aspersions upon a generic group of individuals and making it acceptable for his audience to deny protections based on childish opinion and by disrespecting scholarly discourse to encourage knee-jerk, red neck, bigotry.

I would say he should be ashamed, but he is proving that he has no shame whatsoever.  By employing the tactics he deplored when they were used against his candidate, Aravosis shows that he is no better than fringe fire breathers like Colter, Malkin and Limbaugh.  

Do we need to rely on that level of discourse in order to advance equality?  Has intelligent argumentation been completely abandoned?   



Aravosis is infuriatingly anti-trans

His ignorance and bigotry is appalling, and he shows no signs of learning or even empathy.

He clearly does not do much work with local LGBT groups, or else he would know that trans activists comprise -- with others -- the core of the activists fighting for his rights and others'.

Why? Part of it is that it's often much harder for a trans person, especially when transitioning, to go "stealth" and hide, as a closeted Aravosis hid his sexual orientation when he worked for Republican Senator Ted Stevens. Trans folk, at some point in their lives, are forced to become activists.

And also there's the sad fact that trans folks, being heavily discriminated against in employment, often simply have more time on their hands to volunteer. Not everyone gets to sell blog ads and ask for tens of thousands of dollars in donations for their web sites. If you're screwed by your employers for being trans, there's not a whole lot you can do about it -- except work for a better world.

Despite all this, Aravosis believes that trans people are "the other," the ones stopping his beloved "25 million gays and lesbians" from achieving workplace equality. He is turning on allies who have fought long and hard for his rights (including marriage rights) and what's the reason?

Because those trans people had the NERVE to be the targets of discrimination and bigotry from conservative Democratic politicians.

Aravosis, like all right-wingers, is obsessed with blaming the victims. The bad guys here are not the transgender-rights supporters, but rather the Democrats in the House who would vote for gay rights but not LGBT rights.

John won't examine that, because it hits too close to home. He'd have to consider his own cisgender privilege and confront his transphobia. It won't happen. He's not that brave.

 



http://kynn.com/


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He has to be.
He's *that* desperate to have anything passed.

I've *long* known the Bush administration wouldn't veto ENDA. Its the thing they targeted as a part of his "legacy" (false hope) -- it has the greatest support in the general population of any pro-LGBT piece, and it includes a group we often forget about: the disabled.

I am, after all, still technically a republican.

But this twit is so desperate for these protection that he's lost rational thought.

I seriously doubt he was ready for the full depth of the backlash he got when he first started his anti-trans crusade. And I'm almost certain, given the subtext and underpinnings of his comments about Transfolk that to him, transgender is merely a code word for transsexuals, and he thinks we're all gay people anyway.

IF it doesn't happen with this bill, it won't happen for at least another decade.

But betrayal by folks such as him isn't anything new.  Sylvia Rivera was kicked out of the very groups she founded, and her name all but erased.

Apparently, everyone has to have their sacrificial lamb.


http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
He probably has a problem

With what he thinks is frivollity, as on Abrams MSNBC last night.  The "Trannie" beauty contests, the crowned "Queen" of the Imperial Court ect.

He has never met a transgender psychologist, or activist, who in my opinion are the smartest of our glbt bunch.  Let his type and Andrew Sullivan pose as a "MajorDad" phony, that's his problem. 

 



Make alot of noise. Life is short.

I've got a solution
Let's knock him out, dress him up, and drop him off somewhere safe.

Like Hicksville, Deep South.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
He's a Washington Clone
Take a look at the new movie about taking away our rights since 9/11,  "Rendition".  What happens to human beings when they get a little power in Washington. Lots of little people who get power struck.  Lot's of unhealthy angles happen to them when you "know your way around Washington".   HRC the same way although they do put out semi reliable data and charts, contacts of Congress critters.  The blogs are buying into the Washington pecking order.  I don't think Pam will, or Michaelangelo.  They have their own convictions.

Make alot of noise. Life is short.

[ Parent ]
Maybe

Part of the problem with his 'gay primacy' psychosis is that he's unwilling to believe that there are places - in the South or any where - where that would be less dangerous than to be left with a post-it note on him that reads 'I'm a gay man.'

Kat



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[ Parent ]
He sure hasn't met the transgender pathologists...
who are no-ones' idea of frivolous. No doubt they would think Aravosis frivolous.

[ Parent ]
LOL
Now there's a truism...

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

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