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He is "praying that Pam Spaulding will "turn away from her wicked and sinful promotion of homosexual behavior." (CCLM's web site, 10/15/07)


Ex-gay "Christian" activist James Hartline on Pam:
"I have been mocked over and over again by ungodly and unprincipled anti-christian lesbians."
(from "Six Years In Sodom: From The Journal Of James Hartline," 9/4/2006, written from the "homosexual stronghold" of Hillcrest in San Diego).

"Pam is a 'twisted lesbian sister' and an 'embittered lesbian' of the 'self-imposed gutteral experiences of the gay ghetto.'" -- 9/5/2008



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A "vicious anti-Christian lesbian activist."
(Concerned Women for America's radio show [9:15], 1/25/07)

"A nutty lesbian blogger."
(MassResistance radio show [16:25], 2/3/07)


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Concerned Women for America: Bush will veto ENDA

by: Pam Spaulding

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 15:15:00 PM EDT


Right from the fundie source, Christian Newswire:

Concerned Women for America (CWA) thanks President Bush for signaling a likely veto should the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) be approved in Congress this week.  Matt Barber, CWA's Policy Director for Cultural Issues, said, "This dangerous bill would pit the government directly against the free exercise of religion, a situation which is unconstitutional on its face.  Members of Congress should join the President and exercise their sworn duty to defend the U.S. Constitution by voting 'no' on ENDA." 

Read the statement from the White House after the jump.

Pam Spaulding :: Concerned Women for America: Bush will veto ENDA

Continuing from the Christian Newswire release...and tell me how this burdens free exercise of religion when all it is doing is adding yet another group of people to existing anti-discrimination laws. Religious beliefs were used to allow discrimination against people of color; why all of a sudden, must they fall back on this hoary excuse:

The Executive Office of the President issued the following Statement of Administration Policy today:

H.R. 3685 would extend existing employment-discrimination provisions of Federal law, including those in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, to establish "a comprehensive Federal prohibition of employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."  The bill raises concerns on constitutional and policy grounds, and if H.R. 3685 were presented to the President, his senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill.

H.R. 3685 is inconsistent with the right to the free exercise of religion as codified by Congress in the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA).  The Act prohibits the Federal Government from substantially burdening the free exercise of religion except for compelling reasons, and then only in the least restrictive manner possible.  H.R. 3685 does not meet this standard.  For instance, schools that are owned by or directed toward a particular religion are exempted by the bill; but those that emphasize religious principles broadly will find their religious liberties burdened by H.R. 3685.  

A second concern is H.R. 3685's authorization of Federal civil damage actions against State entities, which may violate States' immunity under the Eleventh Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The bill turns on imprecise and subjective terms that would make interpretation, compliance, and enforcement extremely difficult.  For instance, the bill establishes liability for acting on "perceived" sexual orientation, or "association" with individuals of a particular sexual orientation.  If passed, H.R. 3685 is virtually certain to encourage burdensome litigation beyond the cases that the bill is intended to reach.  

Provisions of this bill purport to give Federal statutory significance to same-sex marriage rights under State law.  These provisions conflict with the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman.  The Administration strongly opposes any attempt to weaken this law, which is vital to defending the sanctity of marriage.
 

 Blender Daimeon sent out a letter to Matt "Bam Bam" Barber on the latest CWA hysterics over ENDA:

Mr. Barber,
 
Seriously?  You really expect people to believe this?
   "ENDA pits the government directly against religion, which is unconstitutional on its face. It would force employers to check their First Amendment guaranteed rights to freedom of religion, speech and association at the workplace door. It would make federal lawbreakers out of Christian, Jewish or Muslim business owners who honor their faith and would require that newfangled 'gay rights' based entirely upon individuals' sexual choices trump employers' enumerated constitutional rights.

    "ENDA contains an extremely weak religious exemption which would leave individual business owners entirely unprotected. For any religious exemption to pass constitutional muster, it would have to follow the individual business owner. The First Amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion. This applies to all individual citizens, not just to a church, religious organization or corporation. It is unconstitutional to prevent, by force of law, an individual business owner from considering his sincerely held religious beliefs while determining how to best own and operate his business.

    "ENDA would force business owners to betray their faith and adopt a view of sexual morality which directly conflicts with fundamental tenets of that faith. It would give liberal judges the authority to subjectively determine who qualifies for an exemption. It represents the goose that laid the golden egg for homosexual activist attorneys and would open the floodgates for lawsuits against employers who wish to live out their faith."
Based on the logic of your arguments above it should be perfectly legal for someone to fire an individual because they dye their hair to hide grays or disclose to you that they have a tattoo that you can't even see.  That job performance, takes a back seat to a chosen set of religious beliefs.
 
What if you worked for a company where the person in charge was athiest and had a deep resentment for people of faith, especially those that expressed that faith, not just by evangelizing on the job, but simply by putting up their favorite prayer or passage in their cubicle.  Now imagine that employer firing that person for even the smallest expression of their chosen faith regardless of the fact that the person might be the hardest, and most efficient worker for that company.  Wouldn't that just get your blood boiling?
 
That's essentially the same thing that you argue for.  You argue for a person of a chosen faith to be able to use their deep resentment of a person who identifies (whether that's choice or not, or changable or not is irrelevant to this argument) as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender (not the same as someone who cross dresses for fun) can fire that employee regardless of the fact that the person might be the hardest, and most efficient worker for that company.  Hopefully you can see the comparison.
 
And as always you fail to mention that a person's chosen religion is already considered a protected class under current federal laws protecting non-discrimination practices in hiring and employment.
 
I thank you in advance for your time and look forward to your prompt response.

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John Aravosis is still in denial on it
Looks like I got a little under his skin here. He is in denial about how Bush Operates. I mean come on Bush not pander to the Religious right he has been doing that his whole time as President. He did it as Governor too. How can someone deny so much that it was just a last minute deal?

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NOTE FROM JOHN: No, actually, I confirmed yesterday's story with other sources. I was right. It was only the last minute bitching from the religious right that got us the veto.


His arguments fail if he is truthful...

...and acknowledges that ENDA was doomed in 2007 from the start.

"25 million gays and lesbians can get their rights, but they're being held hostage by trans-rights extremists!" packs a bigger emotional punch than "Congress is playing political games and passing bills which will fail, while in the meantime singling out and jettisoning one part of the LGBT community."

If the Bush veto is looming overhead, the trans "hostage taking" becomes a laughable threat. Well, it already was, but if the bill is going to fail anyway, many many gays and lesbians won't feel as if they're "held hostage." They will realize that Aravosis is full of crap.

So he has to live in denial. Bush was all set to sign ENDA, really! No one could ever have predicted that the religious right would exert pressure on Bush! It's all a last minute thing, see?? Really!!!

 



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[ Parent ]
The River Aravosis

"NOTE FROM JOHN: No, actually, I confirmed yesterday's story with other sources. I was right. It was only the last minute bitching from the religious right that got us the veto."

Hey - I confirmed the Cleveland 12-Boston 11 score in Game 7 ahead of time.  It was only that last-minute declaration by the umpires of there being three outs in the top of the ninth before Cleveland could score 10 runs that caused the score to remain 11-2.

How about a quick poll:

Who is more ridiculous these days?

  1. George W. Bush
  2. Peter LaBarbera
  3. John Aravosis

My money is on 3.



>^..^<

[ Parent ]
Aravosis ought to cut his losses -
 he's being embarrassingly naive about the likelihood of Bush ever signing an ENDA bill of any description.

[ Parent ]
You should have stopped before the "ly"

I think "he's being embarrassing" says it as accurately as can be said now (though I do still stand by the description of him that I posted over at ENDAblog.)

Kat



>^..^<

[ Parent ]
OK
Aravosis' pundit creds should take a dive with his statements, even for non-Ts/not friends of particular Ts/ don't know diddly about Ts.  Bush sign anything helping any subgroup of lgbts? When pigs fly.

[ Parent ]
Hey, John!

Hey, John Aravosis! You've just been dropped in the grease for relying on the expert analysis of Peter LaBarbera.  What are you going to do now?

I'm going to...

Well - before you go to Disney World, how about getting a clue.  Here's a start: Its not really a mouse; its a person wearing a costume.

Kat



>^..^<

For God's sake...

...don't tell John about the Easter Bunny.

I may not agree with the former GOP staffer, but I don't want Aravosis dead, and I am worried that if he loses faith in everything, well, the worst may happen!



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[ Parent ]
I do not either, but
It is just sad to see him have such denial about what is going on. I actually used to be a respected poster there, but then everyone quickly turned on me. It was sad to see because half of it was because how John worded things. Once a person actually talked to another we actually found there we had common ground on views.

It is just sad to see this tear a community apart. I am Transgender but I always supported Gay rights issues as well because when the Religious right attacked gay people they always snuck in things that hurt Transgender as well. I also used to have great respect for him. My only hope was that he would look past the denial and understand by opening up, but he closed himself off each little step instead of finding commongrounds. It is sad.


[ Parent ]
Speaking of Aravosis
 Speaking of Aravosis, I haven't been over there but I greatly wonder how he feels about Obama throwing him under the bus to get the support of black "values voters"? Something tells me that he has been raising hell about it, (oh yeah, Kos has), and now he is furious with this "betrayal" by Obama. The worst kind of a hypocrite is the one who doesn't recognize their hypocrisy. Now which party do we usually associate with that kind of behavior? Are we learning anything about Queen John yet?

He sure is

Yep, he sure is. Now its us gays againsts them blacks; in John's mind at least. The gay black people are feeling really put out by it, but I know, you know, the feeling. He even wants to protest at Obama events. While this is a big mis-step for Obama, John's reaction is off the charts.

 

The whole site is turning into us against them, and the them is anyone not a "non white gay man who can pass as straight".

 BTW: Good to "see" you again, hope you doing well.



[ Parent ]
ARG!
make that
"white gay man ..."

Gee my first post here and I mess it up


[ Parent ]
Oy
The argument is what? If an employer has a "strongly held" religious belief, he/she can freely discriminate against employees who do not live their lives according to his/her religious principles?
Leaving aside what "strongly held" means, if an employer strongly holds to his "Christian" principles, may he/she freely refuse to hire people who are divorced, remarried, or those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour? If not, how in this vein of (il)logic is there any difference between these religious discriminations (perfectly legal not so long ago) and discriminating against gay staff because of religious beliefs? 
Why is anyone giving credence to religious bigotry as OK in this instance, and not seeing the clear logical parallels? And why do I hear no politicians talking about this point?  
AAAAaaaaarrrrrggghhhhh!


this is a legal position heterosexual supremacists have been pushing for awhile

There are still cases pending in which Christian homeowners refused to rent to two straight unmarried people "living in sin" because it violated their deeply held Christian beliefs, despite the "marital status" clause of the housing non-discrimination act of many states (such as Alaska and California). I believe the Sup Ct denied cert so the lower court ruling stands.

They would like to produce a huge religious exemption to all anti-discrimination lawsthat conflict with "strongly held religious beliefs." Happily, very few courts have agreed with this view, although SOME have.




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[ Parent ]
Does this position also hold
if it is my deeply held religious belief - and I can back that up with some "ordained" minister who says that's how God rolls - that I should not hire or rent to or even talk to people who are not of the same skin color as me?

[ Parent ]
Thank you CWA
For stating the obvious liklihood. At least the can be truthful once.

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