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Out gay congressional candidate Jared Polis on ENDA

by: Pam Spaulding

Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 10:00:00 AM EDT


Jared Polis, who is running for Congress to represent Colorado’s 2nd district, has written an excellent counter to the incrementalist position on ENDA. Expect this to get scorched by those who believe leaving the Ts behind is politically palatable. From his DKos diary:
Ending workplace discrimination only for gays, lesbians, and bisexuals but not transgendered Americans would be the equivalent of passing a civil rights act that prevents only discrimination against Latinos and Asians, but not Blacks. Because the groups left behind are a smaller percentage of the population, it will be more difficult to ever include them.

Let us be honest; the gay and lesbian communities are better organized, larger, and stronger than the transgendered community. If the bulk of the gay community gets their protection through a narrow ENDA bill, it will be much harder to ever include gender identity. As a gay man, I want nothing more than to end workplace discrimination nationally. But my hands will not be soiled with the guilt of undermining our real chance to protect the rights of our whole community including those who defy prevailing gender stereotypes.

    A friend of mine is a public school teacher who recently transitioned from a female to a male.  The fear and worrying that he went through, even at an enlightened school in an enlightened district, were very real. I can only imagine what those who defy gender stereotypes face in less progressive communities.

    The closet is a terrible place for gay men and women who have to hide who they are; like all of us, I was there. The threat of losing their jobs keeps many gay people in the closet in their professional lives, which is why a federal ENDA is so very important. The temptation to seize our victory is great; the scent of victory sweet; we know that even the most narrow victory would have an enormous, positive impact across America, particularly in areas where discrimination is the norm rather than the exception.

It pains and saddens me greatly to say it, but a narrow victory would come at the expense of the larger battle for equal rights. Such a victory would undermine the moral underpinnings of our movement. We are all in this together. The brave and deserving gay men and women who face potential professional repercussions for living openly and honestly might need to stay closeted just a little bit longer so that we can all emerge from the closet together and celebrate the full rainbow of gender diversity.
I think the solid point of argument here is which faction is right on a key point -- will the LGB community --  with the financial and political clout the trans community lacks -- continue to fight as hard for Ts when and if an orientation-only ENDA passes? Observing human nature, I'd say no. If people don't have a personal stake in a political issue, it is more difficult to focus attention, resources and effort. As I've noted before, there are plenty of potential LGBT allies woefully undereducated on the issues -- it's simply not on their radar. It's not a stretch to imagine that the same will occur in the LGB crowd, actually it's easy to believe, given the unseemly amount of hostility toward the trans community that has come to the surface in the debate over ENDA.

If that's what we are seeing on the surface, imagine the rancor beneath the waves.
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introductory paragraph
you might want to review it as it looks as if something is missing.

Merci
Another 4AM meltdown.

[ Parent ]
you're welcome
I'm usually sleeping at 4 AM. The Compulsive Proofreader is NOT a morning person.

[ Parent ]
Aravosis
is going to pee his pants when he reads this.

Interesting

Interesting and heartfelt comments, but, frankly wrong on how political change usually happens, I think. Once a bill is actually passed, you "move the bar," making it FAR easier to get the next thing passed.

Civil unions, for example. By passing those first bills, same-sex marriage became what everyone talks about. We totally moved the bar, making the issue of "marriage" something that was within the realm of possibility. Now it's what EVERYONE is talking about, when the term "civil union" wasn't coined until 1997. A BIG change.

Likewise with a "T"-added ENDA bill. I frankly think it would be far, far easier to pass that bill 3 or so years from now, should the LGB bill. And in fact, this is exactly what's happened in almost every city that's passed a T-inclusive non-discrimination bill: LGB first, then T a few years later, to little or no controversy. You can only be "shocked and outraged" by something once...after the initial burst of controversy, the emotional effect is bound to be less.

That said, I don't know what to think about T-less ENDA. It seems to be tearing our community apart, and no bill is worth that. And the point about there are being far few transgender folks is a good one; I'm disturbed by the talk about Aravosis and others about how transgender folks might not "really" be part of our movement. They HAVE to be part of our movement, because they don't have the numbers to fight on their own. I wish John could see that.

(More than anything, I wish our community would become mature enough that we can have debates about strategy without all the name-calling and the immediate assumption of "sell out" and "bigot." Some of the strategy debates are COMPLICATED, and no one is served by all the bile.)



Re: Interesting

Hi Brent,

I think the point you make is valid.  One of the things hurting this debate is the lack of data.  Would you have any data that you can cite on which cities have gone through the path you describe?  By that I mean by starting with LGB and then later adding T.

 thanks

 



[ Parent ]
Two cents

I'm straight (but as the old saying goes, not narrow), so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I just have to say that it FEELS all wrong to exclude anyone from what is being called a civil rights bill. I believe in being INCLUSIVE, rather than EXCLUSIVE, and that means trying to get everyone covered that should be covered.

This is a moral question, not a question of expediency. I do understand that politics is incremental, but I don't believe Congress was incremental when it passed the great civil rights bills of the 1960s. It takes courage to do the right thing, but we're all in this together, and to BE together just feels so much more right to me than to be FIRST. 



This ENDA Debate Is Why...

I would like to see 'transgender' added as an identity option for the upcoming 2010 Census.

I want to settle the debate once and for all about just how large the transgender community is.

Transsexualty occurs with far more freequency than the 40 year old oft quoted 1-10,000 births stat that is based on the SWEDISH population.   I feel Dr. Lynn Conway's numbers of 1-250 births, whith her methodology being confirmed with the same ration in Britain, Malaysia and Thailand  is far more representative and accurate concerning the true numbers of transgender peopel here and overseas. 



As a transsexual, this has been a mightmare

And I can tell you what the rancor beneath the waves is. I will never, ever support another gay issue again in my life. You've lost me. The hate and the bile comming from the gay community has completely alienated me. It's clear to me now that my interests are not served in the gay community.

I wish things were otherwise but it really seems to me that the LGB community is intent on self destruction. If I were a polititian I would be backing away from you and that seems to be what they are doing.

 



I'm really sorry that you've
been getting crap from some LGB people. In my estimation, the anti-T LGB's are loud and obnoxious beyond their true numbers.  I hope that at some point you can look back and realize that the majority of we LGB's were and are standing with you.

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I'm a younger generation Transgender
I'm only 26 but I can understand the feelings from the person above. I didn't know about the history till ENDA debate started. I'm sure a lot of younger gays do not know about the History as well. It hurts to see how much bad blood there has been in the waters. I think many Transgender people came on board thinking it would patch things up.

I got banned from Americablog a place I once called home because I didn't start questioning them till it came up. It is my first time to feel such hate generated towards people I care about. I have friends and family who are Transgender and Transexual.

The only reason I do not see myself as Transsexual is because I am not going through with the surgery. I just do not think I would be happy seeing my relatives have kids and knowing that I couldn't give birth. Plus knowing the restrictions placed on gays are usually targeted towards Transgender and Transsexuals as well.

My life long go though is to get a 10 year degree and become a Transgender Therapist. I do not have the money to do that though considering I'm still paying off a very large other college loan. I wanted to do this before I went to college, but I was scared of coming out then about my ownself.

My parents thankfully aceppted me, but it was the fear of being disowned just because of who I am. The cost alone would keep me from affording to have SRS surgery. That is why I rather dedicate myself to helping others. While I can not get my degree yet I've seen a lot and learned a lot by exp that most degree's can not teach. Someday though I'll be able to help people toward getting their Surgery.


[ Parent ]
Exactly...

What really pisses me off is the smarter-than-you attitude. Really janks my cord since it's coming from us, big ol' gay people...most of whom I respect. I'm not transgender, not even close, but this issue is dividing us, and the ones who are doing it are the ones who are trying to do the dividing!

Speaking as a non-transgendered queer who generally doesn't like or care about anyone, we need to stand together and put forward a united front. Anything else is total bullshit and goes against who we are. Saying that transgenders are not us and haven't earned it is pure, unadultered, completely stinky bullshit. This isn't NAMBLA we're talking about...it's our brothers and sisters who are our sisters and brothers. 

I'm so unbelievably janked up that I think that those queers who don't believe we should stand together with all the  ENDA letters should just go pray the gay away. You don't deserve what ENDA represents. You don't deserve to call yourself a prideful queer.

What you do deserve is a kick in the pants. Wake your damn asses up.



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[ Parent ]
Brenda
Don't do that.

You see, you can't.  It'll take us 50 years, because in the minds of the average person, they are us.

I just got done expressing this as best I could without getting so pissed off I couldn't see straight here: http://www.pamshouse...

We are them and they are us.  Their history starts where ours does. Our struggle is theirs.

It hurts, no doubt.  To think you have a place where the people are going to be accepting, and who seem to say that you are ok, you are one of us, and then have them stab us with things like "oh, you haven't laid your groundwork -- there needs to be more education" or such.

It sucks.  Hell, look at how pissed I was and still am over it. I had thought I had lost my rage, finally, as part of transition.  But the same knot's shadow is still felt inside me when I think about it.

That's a knot of resentment -- the same thing I've felt since I was 6, when I first knew I was trans and encountered my own families resistance to that.  That spawned a fury that always expressed itself as rage. Nigh sociopathic type stuff.

Transition helped me to lose that -- it freed me.

And now I get it from my new "family"?

Still, I've lost one family.  I don't plan to lose another, even if some of my brothers and sisters are acting like doo doo heads.

I can't, anyway, even if I wanted to.

they are us, and we are them.  It works both ways. When people go after gays, they'll target the T's, because they "look gay".  When gay bills go up, objections will be made because they aren't heteronormative in their gender roles.

Wuss and sissy and pansy and more will all still mean gay to most people.

They are us, and we are them.


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[ Parent ]
My experience has not been so negative.

I'm a trans woman, completely out and open, and I work at a woman's college in the Northeast.  I work with a number of lesbian / queer colleagues (most of my colleagues are female), and have never had any issues with them.  True, there are some populations of LGB people who are intolerant, but as frustrated as I get sometimes, I don't wish to paint with such a broad brush.

Also, I participated in this year's Dyke March for the first time. I did so because their published materials were openly welcoming of trans women.  And, let's not forget that the Boston Dyke March disinvited Bitch as a performer because of her anti-trans views; and that action was initiated by non-trans allies of trans folk.



Social outrage is power protecting itself; it is not morality. -- Andrea Dworkin

[ Parent ]
They are a minority within us, no doubt

Thanks for the info!

 

For me, the internal lGBT issues have mostly been wonderful. THe exceptions are notable, but they are, after all, the exceptions, not the rule. 



http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

[ Parent ]
I understand, but it's how I feel

Not how I think, those are two different things. At first I was actually supportive of the idea. It seemed to make sense but as time went on some realy uglyness came out, especially from John Aravosis. Who's side is he on anyway?

My head says all these things that you say above but I still have a very hard time geting over the things that have been said by some. I see the Obama/McClurkin debacle as very ironic. Now you know what it feels like to get thrown under the bus for political expediency. It would be tempting to use the same arguements used against us but I would think it was obvious.

I'm sick of politics. I'm sick of the hate and the creeping fascism. But really, my rights are not my biggest worry. Global warming is and it will crush everything in it's path. Even my fear of an impending authoritarian state pales next to what is already happening and cannot be stopped.

I will probably get over myself but it will take time. Besides, where else am I gonna go? I'm not one of those who can easily fade back into the woodwork. It's just how I feel. Right now, at this momment. I thought you should know.



I can relate to that.
Totally.

(is that too 80's?)

My very first expereince with trans-anger wasn't from anyone straight.  It was a gay man I'd known for 20 some odd years.

I've never forgotten it, and I never will.

This isn't the first time, either, that we've been sacrificed That's why the HRC made such a big deal about being with us to the end.

But yeah, the feelings are what persist, and they are why no one was really surprised this happened.  A lot of us have been saying it for years.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
On a lighter note

I once had the following conversation with a guy at a gay bar back in the 90's (I transitioned in 95).

Hi, What's your name?

Brenda

Brandon?

No, Brenda. 

Oh, nice wig.

It's my real hair. 

And ummm?

Yeah, those are real too. 

Oh.  Ok bye.

(I guess you had to be there) 



[ Parent ]
thanks.
i can't argue with how you feel.  just don't lose hope i guess is all i'm saying. 

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[ Parent ]
Brenda, the group of GLB not supporting T is small...
...compared to those who support a full enclusive ENDA.  Being angry at those who speak for a non inclusive ENDA is justified.  Yeah, it would be great if we could divide the for and against GLB and give seperate bills for them, but we can't, and like it or not, we have to support what is right as well, even if it means supporting the rights for John A. (side note, look how many people he has banned from his site, reminds me of the Freepi.)

  I have done alot of thinking and reading. I have called many representatives, wrote many letters, asked others to do the same.  There are definitely alot of representatives that will vote only for an inclusive ENDA, because it is the right thing to do.

  As a 40 yr. old T, I was mad as hell when Black Wednesday hit. But by Friday many LGBT groups spoke up. It wasn't long before the number topped 200 supporting and inclusive only ENDA. 

  Here in Colorado, since 2006 this state has done wonders for LGBT, although it does have a stupid amendment banning Marriage Equality, alot of great things are happening.  Colorado passed an inclusive Enda this year.  It happened because the amount of LGB stood with us Ts.  And there were the few that said us Ts were going to cause ENDA here to fail, and wrong they were. 

  As someone that was pissed off, I put my anger to good use, I wrote to over 200 Representatives and a few Senators.
And called thier offices.



If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
Some gay activists
Some gay activists already have the stated goal of tackling gay marriage right after getting the T exclusive ENDA passed. Hell no TGs won't ever get protections if it doesn't happen within the larger LGB community. There are just too few.

John A. is a pain in the ass a lot of the time.


Don't let the haters wreck the movement

I will never, ever support another gay issue again in my life. You've lost me. The hate and the bile comming from the gay community has completely alienated me. It's clear to me now that my interests are not served in the gay community.

 

Don't let those disproportionately loud haters alienate you from the cause, Brenda.  We have to stand firm for unity or we all lose.  I was called, among other things, a "sick and twisted Barbie" by a gay male commenter on an Americablog thread.  It hurt, but I refuse to be alienated or intimidated by that kind of crap.  I remain certain that the vast majority of the LGB community have no intention of excising the T from the coalition.  Aravosis and the rest can have their exclusive club, as far as I'm concerned.  The rest of us should just forget about them and forge ahead.  



A recent response
I made this response recently when that was thrown at me:

"well then, honey, come on over here and lets do some untwisting and play doctor."

They retracted.  Go figure.

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...


[ Parent ]
Brilliant!
Brilliant riposte!  ;-)

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