Texas University Junior Wants Us Ladies To Wear Dresses

Virtues and vices

women seem to have symbolically discarded femininity and modesty (the virtues of women) in favor of sexual virility, promiscuity and immodesty (the vices of men).

It sounds like a very good argument for men to be wearing dresses, too.

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by: Stephanie, in Victoria @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 15:12:17 PM CST

virility is a vice?

oh dang.

 

stop the presses... 

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

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by: dyssonance @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 15:31:41 PM CST

Rip van Winkle just woke up

Haecker is a history junior.  He's too young to know much oher than what he's read in books, and this reads like something written decades ago. The so called "modern woman" he describes is the only thing his mother ever knew.

It's too unreal to believe.  Is he pulling our leg?  Testing to seewhat the Daily Texan will publish?  Is he having fun at our (and the paper's) expense?  Did he lose a bet? Is he proving to his friends how backward the community can be?

Let's not feed the troll.  We shouldn't get our pants...panties...(I'm confused now) all bunched up over him.

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by: Tomistocles @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 15:44:09 PM CST

He Hasn't Read Many Books

The kid obviously hasn't read many books regarding fashon history.  From where is he drawing his conclusions about what women have worn throughout the ages in the western world.  Veiled hair?  Even Queen Elizabeth didn't veil her hair, nor did she cover her neck.  How far back are we supposed to go, or are we to look at one period in the 19th century, or at a few religious sects, or are we just to look at the clothes that women wore in specific churches?  Seriously, it's embarrassing that he's a histroy major.

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by: ptboat67 @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 15:48:56 PM CST

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Maybe he is pulling our leg

but don't doubt that their our men out there that hold this kind of view.  Even in the South they aren't common, but you do run into them.  Also, I'm sure you could go over to Freerepublic and find some agreement with these words over there.  It boggles the mind.

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by: onthesea @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:39:26 PM CST

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Women Hold This View

This view is not as uncommon as you might think, especially in this world that is seeing such a spread of the cult of Evangelical Christianity and nostalgia for a world that never existed.  One great example of this is a group called Prairie Muffins.  You'll flip if you read their garbage.

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by: ptboat67 @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 14:49:16 PM CST

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Women Hold This View

This view is not as uncommon as you might think, especially in this world that is seeing such a spread of the cult of Evangelical Christianity and nostalgia for a world that never existed.  One great example of this is a group called Prairie Muffins.  You'll flip if you read their garbage.

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by: ptboat67 @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 14:53:11 PM CST

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Oh.....my........non-diety.....

I just Googled "prairie muffins", and was ASTONISHED to read the Prairie Muffin Manifesto. Holy......whatever. First I wanted to vommit. Then, I became concerned that my head would explode.

I mean....I guess I knew there were still women out there that backwards, and that attached to the sexist teachings of evangelical christiantity, and even that blindly desiring of overt masculine oppression, but I had no idea they had an actual organization promoting it. Prairie lobotomy victims seems more appropriate. Prairie zombies for mindless reproduction and usury by selfish males, perhaps. Muffins? WTF???

 

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 15:45:56 PM CST

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Prairie Muffin "Manifesto"

Have a look at Item 36 where they promise to not get all "hormotional".  What's with these freaks making up new words...hormotional, whorification?  Whilst grudgingly admitting that "hormotional" is kind of a cool word I still think they're all "whackjobites".

http://buriedtreasurebooks.com/PrairieMuffinManifesto.php

Don't bother reading it all, you'll just blame me for never having that hour back of your lives again.

ALLY (ALLIE) (transitive) To connect or form a relation between by similitude, resemblance, friendship, or love.

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by: Vicster @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 18:44:04 PM CST

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The Prairie Muffins remind me a bit of...

...pedophiles and bosses who seduce their subordinates, in the inequity of power.  I've never understood why anyone would want to sleep with someone who was less than a peer.

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by: Holly Capote @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 20:54:30 PM CST

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His biggest flaw in reason

is that he seems to presume that women WANT to please men in general--or that we at least SHOULD want to. I could give a rat's ass about what men want me to wear, because I don't date men, and have no interest in being physically pleasing to their eyes.

Where does he get off expecting women to dress for the pleasure of men? What are we supposed to recieve in return for this? Come-ons from lounge lizards and other assorted losers? Stares and rude comments? Screw that. I personally dress to plese MYSELF. What a novel idea, huh?? I'm betting this misogynistic asshole wears exactly what HE wants. Why should women do any different?

In addition, look at the almost dark-ages puritanical mentality he holds towards WHAT KIND of dresses we should wear. No immodest miniskirts. Nothing above the knee. I guess only long, flowing, totally impractical grandma-looking dresses will appease his delicate sensibilities. I bet he would also keep us all barefoot and pregnant too.

Good luck finding a mate with your requirements, wanker.

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 15:53:23 PM CST

What a dork

He probably masturbates to pictures of Sarah Lincoln. 

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by: gayleftborg2 @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:28:59 PM CST

I prefer the burkha, myself.

But seriously folks, we should care what this teenager thinks, why?

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by: Pollyanna @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:37:18 PM CST

It's funny

It's just hilarious, that's all.

My first fag hag's boyfriend was the same way - tried to keep her from getting her hair cut, tried to make her wear long dresses, etc.  It's some backwards backwoods pentecostal crap.  

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by: gayleftborg2 @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:41:51 PM CST

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Well, for a couple of reasons...

...First, his thoughts are so out of the mainstream that I was somewhat shocked he got his thoughts on dresses published.  Secondly, that he got this posted in a university publication says something about what passes for critical thought at the University of Texas at Austin.  Thirdly, Pam works at a Uni, so this is interesting as a contrast of what passes for critical thought at the two institutions of higher learning.  Fouthly, in studying feminism this focus on keeping women in a certain type of clothing fits into the concept of patriarchy.  And lastly, as a transwoman, this interested me personally on how much the external garb of sex and gender mattered to this young man so much that he'd write a good sized commentary on it -- a commentary that forever will identify him as a new traditionalist.

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by: Autumn Sandeen @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:58:51 PM CST

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UT Austin is generally fairly liberal

This editorial is just the counterpoint, and probably put in precisely because it is so ridiculous.

 Yes, the kid might be a Holiness Pentecostal (eg, Nazarene denom, which was the denom of Ken Starr, I believe). The Holiness types require that women wear modest dresses, not cut their hair, not wear jewelry, cover hair in church, and so on - basically the next step over from Old Order Amish. We have a lot of them in Missouri, especially the rural areas.

Understand, I have nothing against wearing a dress/skirt once in a while, though for me it's like wearing drag if the skirt is any more formal than those Indian cotton long "gypsy" skirts which give ventilation to legs in 95 degree heat. 

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by: NancyP @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:30:22 PM CST

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Speaking as an alum...

Actually, UT is quite liberal, but there's also a very strong little knot of campus conservatives.  They tend to get rather extreme because they feel embattled.  I would have thought this piece was a joke if it was remotely funny, but the Daily Texan will always publish something inflammatory on the editorial page.  Every day there's something to piss you off, whatever your political leanings.

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by: Heidi @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 17:13:16 PM CST

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply

I pretty much agree with everything you said.  Except that his piece sounds like the sort of put-on I might have written when I was his age.  I predict we'll soon be reading his, "Ha, fooled you!" follow-up.  Kids. :)

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by: Pollyanna @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 18:42:40 PM CST

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He's a TEENAGER?!?!!?

I thought he was an old professor! Is he really a college kid?!? This is important!!!!!!!

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by: h3986 @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 22:33:20 PM CST

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His site says he's 20

That makes him not a teenager, but defnitely not an old professor. His myspace site is beyond hysterical. I highly recommend reading it if you want a quick laugh. Seldom is seen a more pompous, self absorbed young man. He has WAY too high of an opinion of his own intellectual prowess, while casting his eyes down his nose on the rest of us mere mortals. He looks ridiculous with that too-tight suit and odd looking bowler hat perched on his hollow head. His paunch (on a 20 year old, no less) speaks of spending too much time hiding in the dorm, masturbating and writing insipid bulshit about women needing to wear long dresses and veils. He is Catholic, which explains a lot in my eyes. They do actually get to some of these kids, you know. I'd say, offhand, probably closeted gay and battling it hard. Definite head case. Good for a laugh though.

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 22:43:47 PM CST

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In Your Eyes

but I rather doubt being Catholic has much to do with this young man's couture pathology.  My guess is he caught some variety of the college era bug the way we all do and will grow out of it.  Perhaps the only thing Catholic in the scenario would be the self-mortification he'll feel for the rest of his life knowing this nonsense got published.  And perhaps the only thing Catholicism can explain is that thing in your eye.

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by: Brian @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 01:27:59 AM CST

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Sorry Brian,

I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school for 12 years, and was ostracized from a Catholic family because I am a lesbian. I have nothing but contempt and derision for Catholicism, due to 2000 years of oppression and misogyny they have practiced against women, and the wars they have waged against virtually every other religion or mode of thought they have encountered different from them (Crusades, Inquisition, colonization, slavery, genocide, missionaries, etc). It is an evil religion in my opinion. This kid is an example of the mind-fuck they are capable of, and I don't doubt for one minute that he gathered his bizarre opinions on women and gender from growing up Catholic.

I don't know your background, but I WILL attack Catholicism from time to time, and Christianity in general from time to time because they deserve what opinion I have of them. If it offends you, that's too bad.

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 11:52:24 AM CST

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I'm not offended

I had a Catholic education through Uni, and like you there is much that I disagree with, but I don't blame them for my life nor hold them responsible for my misfortunes.  Certainly Rome has a lot to answer for.  But to condemn an entire institution based on one's bad experience of it is no different from Peter LaBarbera, only he does it in leather. 

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by: Brian @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 12:39:49 PM CST

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I second this, even though I sometimes succumb,...

...in my frustration and rage, to unfair generalizations.

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by: Holly Capote @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 14:04:53 PM CST

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I'm glad you're not offended Brian

"but I don't blame them for my life nor hold them responsible for my misfortunes.  Certainly Rome has a lot to answer for.  But to condemn an entire institution based on one's bad experience of it is no different from Peter LaBarbera, only he does it in leather."

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In response, I don't think I am blaming the institution for my life. I do however, hold them responsible for the evils they as an intitution have advocated and committed throughout the past 2000 years--especially the oppression and subjegation of women, and the promotion of hatred of GLBT people. I also abhor their oppression of other religions, especially the obliteration of Paganism and Witchcraft from medieval Europe.

My own personal experiences with Catholicism may have actually helped me understand who I am better, rather than caused any last damage. But this is mostly due to the fact that they gave me something to see as what I DIDN'T want to be. I don't like hypocrisy to this day, in part because I saw so much hypocrisy in the Church. I am not bitter on a personal level. Rather, I look at what they have done, on a global level, for many centuries, and I just see a tremendous amount of damage.

I have personal stories, but I think my personal stories pale in comparrsion to the damage the Catholic Church has brought to humanity. The same applies to Christianity in general. It just seems like the wolrd would have been a better place without it--perhaps the same is true of may of the worlds religions. They seem to do a lot of damage. Homophobia is just the tip of the iceberg, as I see it.  

I know Christians who are very nice people. I know ones who express love and acceptance. At the same time, I see them attending churches that commit evil. I know these people contribute money and time and support to these churches, and I just can't help wondering about the cognitive dissonance that goes on there.

"We love you and accept you, dear." Then they turn around and support someone who does NOT love me or accept me. What am I supposed to think? Actions speak louder than words in my world. 

Anyway.....I have rambled enough. I don't want to be your enemy. Maybe we just disagree. I hope you have a good Thanksgiving.  

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 14:25:38 PM CST

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I admire your response to Brian, Sadness, and you...

...in turn.

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by: Holly Capote @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 14:37:04 PM CST

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I'll second that

and on a day of giving thanks, thank you for it.

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by: Brian @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 15:41:59 PM CST

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Now I have to admire you too, Brian.

And happy Thanksgiving to all Blenders!

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by: Holly Capote @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 15:44:36 PM CST

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egads

I am going to try to work "the slow whorification of ladyhood" into every third sentence I speak for the rest of the day. Mercy sakes, as mom would say.

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by: boltgirl @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 16:52:44 PM CST

Male supremacy and dresses.

Why can't men be elgant like women? I know that men who are not into degenerate manhood are consider unmanly. I bet if someone made dresses for men, man-like dresses with a skirt, the degenrate man-idiots will go nuts.

Consider this bit of hypocracy: Women have to be elegant and propert, men can't.

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by: jkid @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:01:24 PM CST

Don't forget the metros.

There are some men who dress "elegantly".  They're called metrosexuals.

I know that there is this stupid machismo/hembrisma BS plaguing our society.  We have these wusses like Peter LaBarbera, James Dobson, etcetra pretending to be "macho".  This college kid is one of them who think that women should wear modest dresses (akin to what Amish and fundie "Mormon" women wear) and attempts to have an American version of the Iranian Basij trying to enforce that code.

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by: Blood From Machines @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:44:46 AM CST

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I'm still trying to figure out how "uncovered shoulders and unveiled hair"

add up to "androgynous masculinization" in this child's mind.  Not to mention miniskirts.  I guess in order to be feminine, one must show some leg -- just not too much.  And, of course, he is the arbiter of how much is too much.

"Like all fashions, pants are symbolic of something - in this case masculinity - through their allowance of physical activity."

Because physical activity is unfeminine?  I hope he's planning to hire an all-male staff to cook, clean, do laundry, and take care of the children -- that's assuming he can find his perfect representation of femininity and persuade her to marry him.  Oh, and he'd better not complain if she gets a little out of shape as the years go by and she's stuck sitting in her hermetically sealed bubble.

Speaking of hermetically sealed bubbles, this poor child must have grown up in one if he's only just now discovered that women wear pants.

* shakes head in amazement * 

"If the apocalypse comes... beep me." -- Buffy Summers

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by: Kathy @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:16:47 PM CST

Dresses

If Ryan likes dresses so much, he can wear one. It won't bother me if he does!

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by: Holly in Cincinnati @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:17:52 PM CST

That's what I thought:

let him wear dresses and I don't care if he does.

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by: Holly Capote @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:39:38 PM CST

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Kilts!

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by: NancyP @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 18:44:44 PM CST

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As long as he realises

that simplicity is elegance, hats should be understated and cunning, hemlines are below the knee this year, clutches are de riguer for evening wear, and no white shoes after Labor Day..

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by: Brian @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 15:45:42 PM CST

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Wow

I thought is was satire but I have a queasy feeling this little boy actually believes this stuff.  All I can say is he's doing a pretty poor job of majoring in history if he thinks neck to knee garb is historically correct.  For most of human history clothes were worn solely for the protective values they offered and depending on the climate you would have been suitably clothed to the degree necessary. I'm laying large odds that were I'm from in th South Pacific we would have been near nude for much of time.  It has only been in recent centuries that clothes have obtained fashion status and have started to be used as expressions of individuality.

 

As a side note if any of you ever travel to Bath in England visit the Museum of Costume.  It has the most exquisite clothing from the past 3 centuries in it.  You just gasp at the crinolines.

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by: Vicster @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:33:18 PM CST

His Blogspot

If he is so concerned about the "whorification" of women then why is he encouraging such behavior on his website.  Look at the 2nd picture.

This is his Blogspot ->http://ryans-academy...

His MySpace -> http://www.myspace.c...

I have a  strong feeling that young Mr. Haecker has an acute fetish for women in dresses.

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende

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by: becca @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:41:20 PM CST

Maybe

You could be right, but he may alternatively assail those he perceives to be vixens because he is envious of them.  I get a closet cross-dresser vibe from him.  His outfit is so...foppish.  He's not comfortable in his own skin, trying too hard to convince others he's something he's not.  

 I do agree with you that featuring the dominatrix babes on his Web page while lambasting their type in an editorial certainly speaks to inner conflict.  There's always a cause for hypocrisy.  Another hypothesis is that he badly wants this type of woman, can't have her, feels inadequate and emasculated, so self-righteously goes on the attack against them instead of reckoning with his own unattractiveness to women.  There's some classic projection in there.

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by: Lisa @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 07:53:18 AM CST

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Tip of the iceberg

There is a small community of people who feel this way, actually.  I spent a few hours perusing some of these sites on femini..ninini...femininity (right?) and the dress is only part of the subservient nature women are to have in the lives of men.

 One blog in particular, from a couple pastors, chided christian universities for not teaching women how to maintain a good home, and how to parent.  One blog author on the site stated that one woman was not a good christian because she didn't feel the whole subservient vibe.

 And on the pages of some of these sites (linked from sites like the Concerned Women for America) are images of women in the long flowing dresses.  It is, for all intents and purposes, the "uniform" of the ideal woman to these people.

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by: giftedguru1970 @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 17:45:52 PM CST

Um

Can someone else please check his site and give me their opinion of this 20 year old boy.  My gaydar (for the severely closeted and represssed)is pinging like mad.

http://www.myspace.com/ryan_haecker

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by: Vicster @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 18:40:18 PM CST

Ping Ping Ping

I definitely sense something sexually alternative about him, though we should await the gaydar pings of more gay male readers.  I'd go with gay or arousing cross-dressing or sadism.  In any event, men who love women (romantically OR platonically) do not want to oppress them.  I'm definitely leaning toward his having a profound sense of inferiority and wanting to oppress those he (thinks he) can to try to reassert the supremacy he mistakenly believes he is entitled to (as a remedy to humiliation) but has never enjoyed because he can't exactly run with the alpha males and is not likely to get much sexual attention.  Self-love should be the goal (in contrast to his rather transparent narcissistic efforts to redress his humiliation through wielding his penis-brain at almost the entire population of women and select others).  The Catholic Church is the perfect home for him because he can believe he is drawing power and affirmation from a male-supremacist god.

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by: Lisa @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:13:38 AM CST

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Built by him

Lisa said "The Catholic Church is the perfect home for him because he can believe he is drawing power and affirmation from a male-supremacist god."

I agree. Not only is the Catholic Church a perfect home for him, but the Catholic Church was built by men like him, primarily to perpetuate the ownership and oppression of women who might otherwise try to get "uppity".

That is one sick little puppy.  

"The right most treasured by civilized men is the right to be let alone."--Justice Louis Brandeis

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by: Sadness @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:35:42 AM CST

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I think he's a fairly typical young Republican:

Doughy and with a inflated sense of his intellect and self-importance. 

If pimples have pimples, he's a pimple's pimple. 

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by: Holly Capote @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 11:14:21 AM CST

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Hwhat the deuce?

This one's gotten into the secret files on the male psyche!

BLAHST!

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by: Ross K. @ Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 18:17:51 PM CST

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I like his use of the word

"whorification"

I can make up words too! Although at my college we learn not to use words we make up when trying to communicate ideas to the general public.

That's just lazy on his part. And as a hard working heterosexual male (he needs to work twice as hard, to make up for all the women he wants to stay home and try on dresses).

 

Oh and btw......My beliefs tell me that men should not wear stupid hats in pictures (see his home page http://www.myspace.com/ryan_haecker for more info). Stupid hats lead to the idiotifacation (my new made up word) of men.  

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by: Mattkazoo @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 19:16:01 PM CST

Whorrors

His use of that word is whorifying...er, I mean horrifying.  I don't mind the neologism so much as the fact that he seems to equate "whore" with all non-pilgrim, non-burqa-wearing females.  Plus, why such vehement disrespect toward prostitutes?

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by: Lisa @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:26:51 AM CST

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Checked his Myspace, had a chuckle

He just has a bunch of stuff that sounds smart bunched together. I like his choice of music, gregorian chants are great. Oh wait, I forgot, gregorian chants don't have harmony.

I also like his choice of heroes which include Alexander III, Napoleon, Caesar, among others. Half expecting to find Hitler in there with that track record. Oh wait, Richard Wagner; that's close enough for government work.

But yes, that is is stupid.

<3 Sam

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by: Samie D @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:03:22 AM CST

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Not even Factually Correct

Assuming this is not a joke column - the guy's way off-base even in his descriptions of pants as unfeminine and skirts as unmasculine - think Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie in her famous Capris and Liam Neeson (Rob Roy) or Mel Gibson (Braveheart) in decidedly unfeminine skirts/kilts.

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by: CPT_Doom @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 20:14:18 PM CST

I just wasted

an hour of my life reading his backlog of blog entries on his myspace page.  The boy is definately serious and its not a satire as I had thought. He has some serious self-aggrandizement issues and seems to view himself as some erudite, intellectual sage (despite his inability to spell) on all things philosphical.  All became clear when I read  that one his favourite authors was Nietzsche.  Can anyone say "Superman Complex"??

I have come to the irrefutable, unmistakeable conclusion that he is NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD. These are the ones on campus that need a close eye kept on.  His writings are remarkably like the young lad in Finland who just let loose on a school. For chrissake he advocates having a CASTE SYSTEM as he believes some humans are truly born to be better than others. Harmless twit or potential social Darwinist?  Who knows but he's definately scary.

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by: Vicster @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 23:55:23 PM CST

This kid whats women in skirts and dresses,

Well some women want to wear them.  The message he is trying to send is foolish though.  A woman in a skirt suit will get more attention than if she wore a pants suit.

They (men) complain about jeans, but the oogle them tight fitting jeans.  But TFJ in a conferrence room is a no no.

Men set the stage to what us gals wear.  The fact of the matter, SEXISM is alive and well.  Men see a woman in a dress, as easy to control, pantsuits = particial control.
Jeans tight fit, with a velour blazer, will sell the product or service,  The skirt suit, = assistant or helper.

Different ways and what women wear in a professional atmosphere makes a world of difference, PERIOD.

The androgynous masculinization of the modern woman, this scares the hell out of men.  It sends out the sign of a threat.  It says,"Men, beware of your job!" as there is a new sheriff in town.

I learned all about this during my divorce, what suit to wear had an impact on the motion we were entering, or reacting to.  My thought,,,,  I am a piece on the chess board. and how my pice was dressed, had an impact on the move I was given. Bishop, Knight, Rook or Pawn.

I think the fool who wrote the post, has had not one minute in the business world,

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 23:58:52 PM CST

What happen if the pants are very girlish?

They do make femine pants. I've seen real cute ones. I'm not much for the sexy stuff, but I see nothing wrong with it. BTW if you really want to have fun with this person why not see if they will take a bite at the subject of women not wearing any panties underneath their dress. I'm evil I know it.

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by: AHiddenSaint @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:52:09 AM CST

Culottes 'n'

Palazzo pants 'n' Capris 'n' Palazzo Capri 'n' Gauchos 'n' Stirrup 'n' Cropped 'n' Leggings 'n' every girly high/low waisted piece of denim out there...all chicky feminine. Hell, anything 3/4 length is feminine--I should know since I have a pair of 3/4 yoga pants and my partner laughs at me every time I wear 'em. Girly, indeed. Could live in those damn things.

That and the rage of Capris for men that went around a few years ago. Didn't work out so well. I thought I looked cute, but well, they're still Capris. 

Anyway, the problem with this guy's rant isn't that he doesn't know women or want them to have choice in this world, it's just that he doesn't know fashion. Regardless, he's still a dicklick.

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by: TJ McFisty @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 15:04:36 PM CST

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I looked at myspace

And it suddenly hit me I know this type of person.

in fact, I know this type of person *exactly*.

And they are weird.  Sometimes cool, often funny, but always just a little bit creepy.

Becuase they are pretty sick fucks. 

what tells me this is becuase waaaaaaaaay back in an age when I was younger (which isn't all that far back, really.  No really.)  is that I knew someone who was exactly like this kid -- but four years earlier.

A few years ago, I got to being curious about the old gang that I had drifted away from thanks to time and marraige and all that crap.

 After doing the top of the list, I got to the others, and eventually hit the one that was this guys forebear.

 And laughed my ass off.

Of the 10 or so peeps that I regularly knew, only 2 were able to be found online.  One had traveled to San Francisco. I still kinda keep tabs on him (very out gay guy).

The other, well...

For a couple years he was a bigshot (manging editor) with AVN. And, apparently, still is. Yes *that* AVN.

From all accounts, in an industry that is often considered to be sleazy, hes one of those people who *is* sleazy.

As an adult. 

 so, the bad news is that this guy is almost certainly serious, and the worse news is that he's likely to go somewhere with it.

Just not where he thinks, and it'll be a really crappy road. 

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

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by: dyssonance @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:38:53 AM CST

Error

Not working with AVN any longer.  But also on myspace...

 

http://blog.myspace.com/elicross

 

And I never knew this peson, have never seen them before, and have no clue who they are.

 

that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 

http://www.dyssonance.com  Breaking all the rules...

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by: dyssonance @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:53:17 AM CST

Checked his site...

He totally has "Gay-Face."

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by: BusyTimmy @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:20:49 AM CST

UT?

So this enlightenment comes from UT? 

Don't blame me...

I graduated from Texas A&M (Class of '87).

Kat

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:43:58 AM CST

he's a HISTORY major?!

  Even less forgivable if he were a fashion history major. Maybe he should take a course on fashion history and learn about clothing in OTHER cultures.

 

He will find that in the hotter continents and islands, men don't wear pants and women don't wear constructed skirts. Missionaries were appalled in the Polynesias....and excited.

And invented some horrnedouns garments for the indigenous folks to wear. Whoever decided the muumuu was a proper garment should have been thrown into a volcano.

Hey, what's cross dressing anyway? But one shirt or pair of pants or pair of shoes away from COMFORT!

 We should be able to wear what we want if it's clean, looks good and feels even better.

Personally, ever since I played the superhero Storm from X-men in the Marvels Live! show at Universal Studios Hollywood, I think everyone....at least once a day just for fun and feeling good...should wear a cape.

 

   

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by: Regan DuCasse @ Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 11:00:01 AM CST