Elaine Donnelly, military wingers, claim Shalikashvili 'victim' of the homo agenda

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Survey: 1 in 4 troops knows gay colleague
By Teri Weaver, Stars and Stripes

Pacific edition, Saturday, January 6, 2007

TOKYO - Nearly one in four servicemembers knows definitively that a member of his or her unit is gay or lesbian, according to a survey released last month.

Twenty-three percent of the 545 servicemembers surveyed online over three days in October said they knew "for certain" they were serving with someone who is gay, according to a Zogby International poll. The poll was commissioned by and designed in conjunction with the Michael D. Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, that was formerly the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military.

The institute's main goal includes studying the U.S. military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. According to its Web site, the institute "promotes the interdisciplinary analysis of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and other marginalized sexual identities in the armed forces."

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 15:45:37 PM CST

Here's my question:

Many other countries allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. I want an answer as to why the British Army and the Israeli Defense Forces don't seem to have a problem with it. I want to watch a winger try to argue that the IDF isn't a "real army".

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by: Darkrose @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 15:53:06 PM CST

Answer

Because neither Israel nor Britain is run by, or even stongly influenced by, Christian fundamentalists.

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by: tony2 @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:02:34 PM CST

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Oh, I know

I just want to watch the wingers squirm as they try to justify it.

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by: Darkrose @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:12:06 PM CST

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Israeli Army

Israel is run by Orthodox fundamentalists not too dissimilar from Christian fundamentalists (in fact they joined together recently along with Muslims to try and stop Gay Pride in Jerusalem) and yet gays can serve in the Israel Defense Force. Go figure.

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by: Alan down in Florida @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 22:05:31 PM CST

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Even Romania

...allows gays to serve in the military.

According to the Ministry of Defence's recruitment policy, "it is the right of every Romanian citizen to take part in the military structures of our country, regardless of their sexual orientation."

- Wikipedia

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by: Stephanie, in Victoria @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:33:06 PM CST

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Why do I get the feeling that Elaine Donnelly is just another chickenhawk

who never served in the military? This organization smells of yet another wingnut, golden peepee-idolized faux "Christian" group which serves no one but the wingnuts, has no expert experience, and is merely another half-baked Republican moneymaking fake "think-tank."

As a citizen who is just as much of an expert on taxpayer-funded defense services as Ms. Donnelly, I suggest she embrace the con-servative, biblical principle of shutting her mouth until her golden peepee idol allows her to speak. She represents no one but her own self-interest - perhaps one of the Confused Women of America can have a special Sunday School service praying for her husband to make more money so she could devote her time to applying less makeup and learning how to more efficiently vacuum her home for her golden peepee-possessing husband.

Honestly, every time I see this woman's name and organization braying on the television or in print, I wonder "Who in the hell is THIS? " And, excuse me, but what in the Hell is the Center for Military Readiness? I hate to tell Ms. Thang this, but we have a military whose readiness is determined by the people of this country, not Ms. Thang or her faux oversight organization which is a simple cover for attacking women's rights and having gays in the military.

Why don't we send email to the Empty Crypt and have his loons picket this nutcase? Seems to me they deserve each other. She can welcome them with punch and cookies. . .

I have yet to see a single news program that puts this bimbo on explain who she is, why this organization exists, why she believes the American people can't handle their military without her, and how she came to believe gays were third class citizens just below women, of course. In my mind she has no credibility except as a paid partisan whore - and any good streetwalker will tell ya that no one is gonna pay you two dollars to talk about someone else's "morality."

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by: kevinbgoode @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:19:20 PM CST

I go for chickenhawk

There is no mention of military service that I could find on her page on their website. I would think that if she did serve they would have used it in her bio.

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by: txrad @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:40:30 PM CST

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And I'm just cynical enough to wonder

how much of my tax dollars are funneled through a "faith-based" initiative to finance her bullshit organization. . .

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by: kevinbgoode @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:47:16 PM CST

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Is she even a college graduate?

I've made this point before, with additional supporting ones.  Not only has she never served in the military, has had no uniformed or civilian line authority in the DoD - she served 20 years ago as a hack appointee on a couple of advisory boards ....

... Her own site DOESN'T EVEN CONFIRM SHE HAS A COLLEGE DEGREE.  She "attended" the University of Detroit and Schoolcraft College (WTF that institution might be.)  No mention of any degrees.

She is a nobody who has achieved absolutely nothing, except furthering discrimination against her fellow women, and gays and lesbians.

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by: ExHack @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 17:58:35 PM CST

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I remember when Don't Ask, Don't Tell was being debated. . .

I was a master's student at the time at the University of South Carolina (home of the Fighting Gamecocks [gamecock = an ass-kickin' chicken). The arguments back in 1993 were just as insane as they are now, complete with the fear-and-smear nonsense about how straight men would fear for the safety of their golden peepees in the showers.

Of course, I was met with profound silence when I asked how the military (and our government) justified the plethora of brothels located so close to many of our bases overseas - and the moral foundation for the many Amer-Asian babies fathered by those morally upstanding heroes who were assigned to South Vietnam.

There was even more silence when I asked how, as a taxpaying American who had to finance our defense forces, I was supposed to believe that a man who couldn't protect his own peepee in a shower was gonna be capable of protecting a whole nation.

Their most creative argument was that it was discriminatory to allow gay service personnel to sleep in the same quarters as straight men, since the military won't let men sleep in the same quarters as women. I fully expect these social neanderthals to pull that one back out of their ass.

I recommend we remind them that throughout the history of the military, the only problem involving rape, illegitimate pregancies, patronage of prostitutes and undisciplined sexual behavior appears to have been documented concerning straight men.

Since they historically throw us out on the basis of witch hunts, they haven't been able to amass much of a record on our behavior. But just like the mainstream workforce, gays have generally had to conduct themselves to much higher standards than those who worship the golden peepee.

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by: kevinbgoode @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 18:37:24 PM CST

What sort of expert is this?

My thanks to ExHack for correctly pointing out that her bio doesn't indicate she is even a college graduate, much less a medical expert. Here she is, with even less evidence than that idiot Bill Frist had when video-diagnosing poor Terri Schiavo, weighing in with her opinion that the general is so sick as to be not quite in control of his mind.  And where is her military expertise that qualifies her to earn her salary?  Apparently she is "an expert" because she was appointed to two committees, and she has used that claim to entitle her to a pretty good income with the non-profit she heads up.  Experts like her are a dime a dozen - and that is about what she is worth.  What an ass.

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by: Dennis @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 19:02:32 PM CST

Elaine's Alma Mater

So: what's Schoolcraft College, one of the august academic institutions Elaine claims to have attended?  Here's helpful Wikipedia with a ready answer:

"Schoolcraft College is a two-year community college located in Livonia, Michigan. Schoolcraft College was established in 1961. Originally named Northwest Wayne County Community College. The named of the college was changed because of the length. On February 6, 1963, The college officially changed the named to Schoolcraft College, named after an American geologist Henry Schoolcraft. The reasoning for not including the word community college was for two main reasons. They thought that it might confuse people thinking that they were located in the county of Schoolcraft or served the city or Schoolcraft that is ten miles south of Kalamazoo. The other reason was that they wanted to keep the name as short as possible.

Schoolcraft College is known for their culinary arts program and continuing education."

Cheese and Rice Almighty.  The last time Elaine popped up on the Blend, I suggested her degree (if any there was) might be in home economics for all we knew.  Culinary Arts?  I may've been onto something.

As to her other (alleged) alma mater, the University of Detroit Mercy appears to be a real school.  Wikipedia's profile: "The University offers approximately 100 academic degrees and programs of study, including liberal arts, business, dentistry, law, engineering, architecture, nursing and health professions. UDM is ranked in the top tier of Midwestern master's universities in U.S.News & World Report's "America's Best Colleges" 2007 edition."

That all said, Elaine never said she graduated from there.

Why do I suspect this woman's an even emptier suit than we all knew?

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by: ExHack @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 03:40:15 AM CST

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It was me, Miss Elaine. I did it. I converted the good General.

You see, I have special powers.  I was once gay, and now I'm a tranny.  So I can wield both the Gay Agenda and the Transexual Agenda at the same time, so my power is irresistable.

You're in my sights now, Miss Elaine.  I'm gonna convert you next.  Run!  RUN!!! (but you won't be able to hide)

Social outrage is power protecting itself; it is not morality. -- Andrea Dworkin

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by: RachelPhilPa @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 19:53:34 PM CST

From her website:

"The Center for Military Readiness is an independent, non-partisan 501(c)(3) educational organization...."

AND:

"The military is a resilient institution, and its people are responding with courage to the sure-footed leadership of President Bush and his National Security team. But contrary to the hopes and expectations of some, sound priorities in the field of social policy will not be restored automatically. absent carefully considered corrections in course, bureaucratic inertia and relentless pressure from liberal critics will continue to move the agenda of Pentagon feminists forward."

There is no Center.  There's only Elaine.  And she's as non-partisan as Dick Cheney, as the second excerpt demonstrates.

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by: Holly Capote @ Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 20:54:19 PM CST

The Idea: Ludacris, The Tactic: Slimey

I got tipped off to this story by Box Turtle Bulletin I also loved Jeremy's take on it.  I got so fired up I had to write little gay rant about it on my own site.

To summarize: Donnelly says she "believes" that he's being used and Maginnis "just believes" the same thing.  No evidence or even a suggestion that there might possibly, potentially be any evidence of any king, of anything even slightly like what they suggested being even remotely possibly true.

It's ludacris to believe that any activist, gay or otherwise would have so much access to and control over this man no matter what his health might be!  Even if he was a total invalid, (which there is no reason to believe that he is,) wouldn't his family or doctors stop gay activists from forcing him to write op-ed pieces for major news publications?

It's slimey, yes, oh so slimey for these activists to insinuate that he's just a sick, crazy old man whose being used.  How insulting can you be?  The man realized that attitudes, mainly soldiers attitudes, (the only ones that count when it comes to DADT,) towards gays and lesbians have changed.  He realizes that gays and lesbians are already serving bravely in the military and their peers accept it without great difficulty.  I guess in their minds he must have to be senile to believe something like that.

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by: GayMormonBoy @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 04:00:07 AM CST

Sorry about the spelling :-(

Clearly I meant Ludicrous: meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept, false, or foolish,
rather than Ludacris: The rapper.

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by: GayMormonBoy @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:42:40 AM CST

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Apology not accepted

There's no "e" in slimy.

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by: Alan down in Florida @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 11:51:41 AM CST

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Belief without evidence

Donnelly says she "believes" that he's being used and Maginnis "just believes" the same thing.  No evidence or even a suggestion that there might possibly, potentially be any evidence of any king, of anything even slightly like what they suggested being even remotely possibly true.

Belief without evidence is just par for the course for fundies: their entire religion and world view is based on belief without evidence.

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by: Stephanie, in Victoria @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 17:59:11 PM CST

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Didn't Sec. Cohen publically echo Shali just the next day?

Has anyone seen what these wingnuts' reponses to that have been?

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by: oddjob @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 13:46:11 PM CST

Cohen

Cohen is a Democrat and was appointed by Clinton.  In their book, that is enough to invalidate any opinion he might have.

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by: tony @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 19:56:09 PM CST

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Not quite.

William Cohen was appointed by Clinton, but prior to his appointment as Secretary of Defense, he was the Republican Senator from Maine.

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by: ExHack @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 21:53:40 PM CST

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Correct

Cohen was that most evil of all possible things, a moderate, pro-choice Republican.  Maine has a history of voting for such folks.  The first senator to publicly condemn McCarthy was Margaret Chase Smith (R-ME).

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by: oddjob @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 23:31:24 PM CST

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Brain damage

from a stroke or injury can cause large behavioral changes.  It would also effect writing ability.  Is the General's editorial well writtten and comparable to his previos writings?  If his writng is similar to before he is speeking his own mind in the editorial.

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by: Charles @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 16:06:23 PM CST