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Andrew Cuomo on Obama: 'You Can't Shuck And Jive' at a press conf

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 14:00:00 PM EST


Oh no he didn't. (TPM):

During an appearance yesterday on talk radio - at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears - New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words with a very troublesome racial history, apparently in reference to Barack Obama.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. He then added, "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

You see folks, this is what I'm talking about. This whole "post-racial" nonsense is a simple fantasy or delusion uttered by people who think race isn't a problem anymore. I'd  like that to be the case as much as anyone else, but the fact of the matter is for Democrats, the alleged party of tolerance, this kind of bush-league nonsense exposes the real problem -- that the lack of engagement on how race and political races bring out the worst in people, and plays to the base fears of voters.

As predicted, Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo unleashes "shuck and jive" then issues a statement that his comments were "taken out of context," since he later complimented Obama. [Be prepared to see that statement trotted out frequently in the future when it comes to incidents like this.]

"It was never about Obama in the first place," Cuomo told me of the use of the phrase, which he said he was using "as a synonym for 'bob and weave'.'"
My god. I know the smarter-than-thou political set thinks we're all rubes out here, but come on, this is incredible. This is what "shuck and jive" means, and it doesn't have anything to do with boxing, rope-a-dope, or anything benign:
"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

"Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."

What's really sorry is that in this DKos thread there are people actually running for cover and either 1) denying Cuomo supports Senator Clinton (he endorsed her, but is not part of the campaign) or 2) that the use of shuck and jive isn't a big deal and Obama supporters are exploiting this "gaffe." This is sad, and the vitriol in the thread only proves my point about how raw race discussions can be when they only surface in situations like this, rather when tempers aren't heated. DnA:
What I wish Obama would say, but won't and shouldn't:
It's nice of Mr. Cuomo to lift his face out of a plate of Spaghettios and take off his mirrored shades to comment on the Democratic Primary. Will he be breaking my legs so as to keep me from running off the plantation, or is he going to get Paulie Walnuts to do it?
See this is why I can't run for office.
The only way Obama can win is by not taking the bait. Unfortunately, if he wants to keep the goodwill of white voters, he has to play down what was an flagrantly racist insult.
Sigh. The downward spiral. Obama cannot take the bait lest he be seen as the angry negro. I have been blogging for some time now about the Democrats willing to "go there" that will be paired with equal amounts of innocent "deniability". As I said, we're going to see that "out of context" bs a lot more now.

More below the fold.

Pam Spaulding :: Andrew Cuomo on Obama: 'You Can't Shuck And Jive' at a press conf
And make no mistake, the eruptions of misogyny toward Clinton from all corners make it clear how raw those discussions are as well. This campaign is going to be extremely messy and divisive; the question is whether people are going to actually engage these problems head on, or keep playing whack-a-mole when uncomfortable, offensive events like these pop up. Pols, pundits and people in general are doing everything they can to make this election "post-racial" and too much is emerging that not much has changed.

UPDATE: The response of course, by Cuomo's office, reflects a severe case of CYA because of the sh*storm this raised. Here's the relevant part of the transcript, now on Newsday's site. You decide how it doesn't apply to Obama if it refers to "both leading candidates."

Update: Cuomo's office contends that the quote is being taken out of context -- it applied to both leading candidates and both Iowa and New Hampshire, and was offered as an explanation of the health of the early primary process, rather than an explanation of Hillary's NH win.

They played the interview for us, and the tape supports their interpretation. Although earlier in the interview Cuomo calls Obama a "beautiful symbol" but asserts that Hillary is more knowledgable, repeating Clinton talking points, the "shuck and jive" reference applies to the inability of any candidate to avoid direct voter contact in states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

We've posted a partial transcript after the jump.

Partial transcript of Cuomo radio interview, supplied by AG's office:

Andrew Cuomo: "You know I've spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it's a good thing.

"It's not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can't just buy your way through that race ...It doesn't work that way, it's frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.

"You can't shuck and jive at a press conference, you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room.

"And I think it's good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you're communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they're small states and they get a lot of attention -- they are very good for the process, I believe that."

Seriously, how does this exonerate Cuomo? He still hasn't admitted to the extremely poor judgment and apparent limited vocabulary that caused him to pull "shuck and jive" out of his posterior. It's tiresome to have to deal with the lack of responsibility for one's own bloopers of this sort. Just admit screwing up and move along.

After all, the use of the image at left was perfectly appropriate back in the day to most Americans, though no one would be caught dead saying this is an appropriate marketing tool today.  Times change, friends, and what was once acceptable in America at some point became unacceptable, a cultural norm has shifted.

Related:
* Obama: speaking the unspeakable about race
* Race, gender, the MSM and NH: audio from my segment on Mike Signorile Show

[Standard tired disclaimer: I have not and will not endorse any candidate in the primaries.]  

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half-a-brain
The problem is that the white establishmentarians will let statements erupt from their mouths without having the statements going through the brain filter first. The language of racism will continue to be used, without thinking, as long as the establishmentarians give out off the cuff responses. They are not used to having the statements challenged. When they think before they speak, maybe they won't say such stupid things.
The language of racism is embedded in the memory long after we have no use for it.  It needs to be actively challenged and ultimately eliminated from the lexicon.  

Exactly. The subconscious mind called up a phrase
and the mouth spoke it. At no point was a conscious racial slur formed in the mind, examined and chosen as the best phraseology.

It's what people say when they are thinking of something else that is most revealing. I don't even know that phrase, and I'm not alone in that.

But wait, there's more!


[ Parent ]
I wouldn't even have realized
there was a racist comment in that statement until you bolded it. As a matter of fact, from the exact place you quoted your definition, if you scrolled down, you would see that.....

"Today, the expression has expanded somewhat from earlier usage, and is now sometimes used to mean "talking pure baloney," "goofing off," or "goofing around.""

I think that some terms/expressions become freely adopted in language and lose their racist overtones (ie. isn't there an entire chain of restaraunts called Shuck N Jive?).
Another example, when I did my search one of the first things up was a news article about how Microsoft was Shucking and Jiving.


when i was a kid...

...there was a restaurant (part of a chain, I think) called Sambo's, as in "Little Black Sambo".  Eventually they changed their name.  The namesake story is probably equally obscure today.  At least, I hope it is.

Someone in an office probably does cost-benefit analyses of the value of a familiar tradename vs. the risk of giving offense.  Some of the worst examples have disappeared.  But Aunt Jemima is still on supermarket shelves everywhere, albeit with a contemporary makeover (and does that make it less offensive, given the history?)

You don't see as many films with the stock character who is sycophantic but deceptive when he thinks no one is looking, and oh yes he's also an outlandish queen.  (It can be difficult to find films from before the '50s which lacked such stereotypes.)  Nor as many Paul Lynde or Liberace types...although I think Barry Manilow still does quite well in Vegas if not on the pop charts.



[ Parent ]
Bob and Weave
If Cuomo meant "bob and weave" he should have used those terms. Whether he intentionally meant to insult Obama or simply subconsciously went there, he owes the campaign an apology. It is not a character flaw to screw up and say the wrong thing, it is a character flaw to refuse to recognize one's mistakes and correct them.

I hate seeing this ugliness, both on the part of Cuomo and Jesse Jackson Jr (questioning Clinton's integrity), because it heralds yet another election season where the Dems tear each other apart more effectively than any GOPer ever could. Until now the party has been very united, with the ultimate goal of shucking the GOP in sight. With such a weak slate of Repub candidates, it would be horrible for that unity to be destroyed by two very good candidates deciding to win the nomination at all costs.

The funny thing is, as I posted below under the thread about Pam's appearance on Sirius OutQ yesterday, it seems a lot of Democrats are happy with any of the candidates as the nominee, and that probably accounts for a lot of the movement to Clinton's campaign on Tuesday. It is incredibly short-sighted of both campaigns to ruin that feeling, particulary when they have to go for the lowest blow to do so.  


thank you, CPT_Doom

Whether he intentionally meant to insult Obama or simply subconsciously went there, he owes the campaign an apology. It is not a character flaw to screw up and say the wrong thing, it is a character flaw to refuse to recognize one's mistakes and correct them.

It's the whole fear of being tagged racist. The fear is so pervasive that a simply acknowledgment of thoughtlessness and an apology is avoided, rather than this ridiculous "out of context" excuse. 



[ Parent ]
Slur or Slang?
Actually, I thought this was another word or  phrase that had passed into general usage ... like "jazz" or "juke" or "rock-and-roll."

If Cuomo was trying to stir up some racial animosity, then shame on him. But it's possible -- just possible -- that he was using a phase I've been hearing in very non-racist contexts for a long, long time (since Obama and Cuomo were both lads, as a matter of fact).


this is a political campaign
These folks should be savvy enough to know to stay away from a phrase like that -- he should have said what he intended -- bob and weave.

I mean really, who in politics uses "shuck and jive" or something equally dicey that's been tossed around, "tar baby"? The legacy of those phrases is so polluted, is one's vocabulary so limited that you can't find anything else to use? Never mind "shuck and jive" and "bob and weave" don't even mean the same thing.


[ Parent ]
Cuoma's Not Stupid
Had he intended something racist, he would have gone for something more subtle. Nobody but a total fool would say "macaca" nowadays.



[ Parent ]
Of course it was intentional
It was clearly intentionally racist. I don't know how anyone could question that with a straight face.

So Obama's camp slams Hillary for not crying for me, Katrina. And now Hillary's camp slams Obama back.

It is a Chris Matthews wet dream.

Thanks, you sons of politicians-and complete morons. Here the country is looking to these candidates for help and hope, and what do we get?

Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining, 'cuz I'm soaked and sick of it.


[ Parent ]
If...
We are all make mistakes but this is unbelievable.  Elected officials are held to a higher standard and should know when they make an Amos and Andy type of comment how it will be received.

Oh man
I just saw this headline elsewhere and was going to drop you the link.  Ffs, the Clintons have no shame at all, do they?

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

Can we clone you?
Pam it would be great to hear more observations like yours in the press.  There is SO much cheap banter that only adds fuel to ignorant fire and pretends to analyze it.

The crying thing is so overblown - and wasn't that the point?  She needed camera time - like it or not that is how our elections are conducted - and she managed to get it.  The two states at the start of the election - Iowa and NH - contribute very little to a candidate's potential for victory.  The victory only has to do with who gets the most attention - not who has the best ideas or solutions or experience and capability.

I'm afraid that "shuck and jive" talk might become more widespread.  Wasn't there a totally offensive commercial aired in Kentucky 2 years ago about a black politician? We can expect the quality of discourse to descend with 10 months left.

Will Edwards have to shave off his hair to get camera time?  Will Bill Clinton have to get caught in another sex scandal to drum up sympathy for Hillary?  

We live like an ongoing episode of Inside Edition, only dumber.  

Please keep paying attention and reporting what you see.  Someone has to.    


Obama MUST Reply...
...to these racist comments.  But very delicately and in a very reasoned and calm manner.  He cannot appear defensive.  If he does not hit these racist comments head on, he will be making the same mistake that Kerry made in not responding to the Swift Boat Veterans.  He will appear passive and weak.

Senator Obama does not have to be 'out front' in his responce.  He can have surrogates of his own speak for him, preferably white males who can finesse an issue and point the racist remarks back to their source as "offensive to true American values."


It's all part of the game
That's why they use something ridiculous like this.  It's ambiguous enough so that a majority of white people will insist it was perfectly innocent--and subtly resent any black folks who call it out.  (Oh, there they go again with their complaining.)

It's a really evil kind of shit disturbing.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto


[ Parent ]
Actually, It's Hillary
who should respond to her supporter's comments. Obama should address the sexism of some of his supporters, like Jesse Jackson, Jr.

[ Parent ]
precisely.
to me, this is no different than obama making gotv love to that homobigot gospel singer mcclurkin.  obama and clinton are both dirtying themslves with bigotry.  if they dont speak out strongly when these cuomo-type moments happen, and then walk the talk themselves, they're indistinguishable in my book.

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[ Parent ]
The "Explainers" here...
...are simply disengenuous or racist plants (or possibly both).  No one can explain away the use of the phrase "shuck 'n jive" as anything but clearly and obviously racist!  What does Cuomo have to do to make his point clear; put on 'black face' and carry a banjoe?  Jeez!  How ignorant do these people think American citizens are?!

P.S.  I'm ALSO offended by the smarmy anti-women camments directed at Senator Clinton.  And I am

a 62 year old white male retiree in Panama City Florida

Peace! & God Bless America


or
Most of them come from a new generation where we have never heard this phrase with the racial connotation (sp.?) that used to be applied to it? Either way, I guess the fact that people are hurt by it is a pretty good indication that he should apologize.

[ Parent ]
The "Explainers" here...
...are simply disengenuous or racist plants (or possibly both).  No one can explain away the use of the phrase "shuck 'n jive" as anything but clearly and obviously racist!  What does Cuomo have to do to make his point clear; put on 'black face' and carry a banjoe?  Jeez!  How ignorant do these people think American citizens are?!

P.S.  I'm ALSO offended by the smarmy anti-women camments directed at Senator Clinton.  And I am

a 62 year old white male retiree in Panama City Florida

Peace! & God Bless America


Booby-trap
Pam is right.  Don't take the bait.  Remember Jesse Jackson's 'hymietown' remark?  If Obama jumps on this, all of that comes back.

Of course Cuomo is tweaking race.  But it's a tactic, a booby-trap.  Can Obama brag about 'Chicago street politics', then cry foul when the other side plays dirty?  There are no fouls in a cage match.  People want to know their President can handle the most vicious bastards in the world.  Putin poisons his political enemies, you think he'll draw the line at the race card?


It's getting ugly
And I'm afraid we haven't seen anything yet. This comes right after Jesse Jackson's sexist comments. And notice the first comment (as of now) on YouTube:


What these MEN don't realize is that we women will make up OUR MINDS. Women like Oprah are weak and not strong enough to know her head from a hole in the ground. She has a hidden agenda like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and EDWARDS the little weasel, sissy dog attacked her for no reason like most men in the secret of a home at night.

What could have been a unifying campaign could turn into a Blacks vs. Women fight (with black women being caught in the middle like black LGBT people in similar Blacks vs. Gays fights). Gloria Steinem didn't help with her NY Times column either with her charge that younger women supporting Obama are trying to "deny or escape the sexual caste system". That's no different than charging that blacks who don't support Obama are Uncle Toms.

Sad.


I meant
Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s comments.

[ Parent ]
The dago Cuomo's comment was dumb as hell, but...
...what ever happened to the American language where we lost the word "mullato"?  If we're going to classify Obama as anything racially (and we shouldn't) it would be as that.

BTW, lest anyone misunderstand, my use of "dago" was obviously sarcasm.


sure about that raj?
Wouldn't you prefer to use either quadroon or octaroon?

I haven't thoroughly examined Obama's genealogy, so I don't know which is the correct term.

Those were the days.  You knew who you were then.  Girls were girls and men were men.  We sure could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.  


[ Parent ]
Obama will be fine
He is one of the most interpersonally intelligent people I have ever seen run for office.  He says the right thing at the right time, which given the last eight years seems like such a luxury now.  If he says something it will be right, if he doesn't it will be right.  

unintended
You know the bad thing about this is he probably didn't think he was being racist. I find all the time people will say things toward or about black folks that come out of nowhere and are either racist or condescending. There is no way that Obama can really respond to this w/o alienating the majority of people because he would cease to be one of the "good ones."

It is a pitty that he didn'y use the phrase "tap dance"...
...ooops, that could be construed as a racial slur, too.

This is all so tiresome. I used to be a white teacher in a Black/Latino school school district. The amount of bare faced racial hatred I received from both Blacks and Latinos was incalculable. As far as Obama heralding in the post-racial era, I must say that the big elephant of racial bigotry that used to sit in the corner ignored is now much more like the dog at the table begging for scraps.

Me, I'm more like Monroe Andrew Perry.


Andrew Cuomo
I'm not terribly interested in defending Andrew Cuomo, but I feel a rant coming on in which I exhort people to dial down the outrage.  After all, it's still January and I'm sure we've only seen the teeny-tiniest taste of what's to come with regard to the race and gender issues involved in this year's election.  Perhaps I'm naive, but after reading the transcript of what Cuomo said, I don't think it's fair to title your post "Andrew Cuomo's Comments on Obama."  Cuomo made his remark in the context of describing how campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire differs from campaigning in other place and in other types of electoral contests.  I just don't see how what he said was related to any individual candidate.  Was Cuomo speaking in "code"?  I don't know and don't know how one could prove that fact to a certainty.  With respect, I'm going to reserve my outrage for another time.

so far, no common sense from his office

His follow-up explanation was that it applied to "both leading candidates," one of which is Obama. And that "shuck and jive" is a synonym for "bob and weave." I'm willing to cede the man just didn't filter his thoughts before spilling them out (others haven't been so kind and say it is a dog whistle/code), but that only proves my point that there's plenty of plausible deniability, "out of context" and other maneuvers to come rather than simply admitting a poor turn of phrase. The explanations are worse than the statement.

 And none of these incidents stand in isolation, anyway, as we've seen Jesse Jackson, Jr. stepped in it blowing the sexism dog whistle against Clinton, and we don't have to reach back more than a few weeks to find ridiculous statements from Obama coming from Clinton surrogates. 

* Bob Kerrey, reopening the debunked madrassa meme:

[That] he liked "the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim." Later, in explaining his remarks, Kerrey threw another jab by saying he wasn't troubled by the fact that Obama "spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa."

And I'll link up to Faboo on (now-ex) Hillary campaign aide Bill Shaheen's unfortunate comments:

I'm not even going to touch Sen. Joe Biden's "he's articulate and clean" line, instead I'll go with Bill Shaheen said about a month ago:

"It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?' " Shaheen told the Post. "There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome."
Did you sell them to anyone? Maybe it's just me, because I certainly don't remember anyone, let alone anyone advising a presidential campaign, asking that of our self-admitted cokehead president. Do you? Nah...why? Because apparently in Shaheen's world, only Black people sell drugs. When was the last time? From what I understand, Sen. Obama addressed his drug use in his books and it seems it's been a long time since he last did drugs. Meanwhile, judging from our current president's actions and behaviors, I wouldn't be surprised if he did a line before boarding Air Force One the other day. But I'm wondering if Shaheen had these same concerns in Bush's run in 2000 and 2004. A quick Google search shows he didn't.
I have no doubt that if we were talking about GOP surrogates to Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee saying remarks like "shuck and jive" or the above, there wouldn't be this level of hand-wringing going on. It's always harder to deal with when someone "steps in it" on our side.

[ Parent ]
I wish we could all just slow the conversation down
... as a lt reader but ft poster, I have to say that I'm troubled by the how quickly we have to divide the conversation into right and wrong, as opposed to using the incident to gain perspective on difference.
Although, as a 50-yr old white woman, I understand that I can never know what I don't know, I do believe it possible and, reading the transcript likely, that Cuomo used the term in what has become a common vernacular.  I admit that I have used it myself, and never in any context that could have been construed as racist!  I mean it to fool, to pretend.  And the fact that it has been adopted into common culture is actually something to celebrate. As a writer I guess I think language, like art, music and dance, is enriched by the adoption of many pieces of a multicultural history.
By here I am learning that some language is still too loaded.  And although I always thought of "shuck and jive" as a revolutionary act in the context from which it emerged, I will happily accept the correction.
I don't know how close the relationship is, but Clinton is not responsible for every stupid thing that comes out of the mouth of a supporter unless he is someone close to the campaign.  

I don't think Clinton needs to apologize
Andrew Cuomo simply needs to acknowledge this was a boneheaded choice of words/slip up rather than make up inane excuses. Why is that so difficult -- because it would mean fessing up to the internalized pollution in his brain. That doesn't make him evil or racist (in the "new definition," which is equated with being a Klansman or a lynch mob), but he's afraid that he would be labeled that way. This stuff is so internalized, and my point is that the desperation to declare it a "post-racial" environment, voices on the left and right are really saying that "we don't want to talk about the complexities of race (or gender)."

[ Parent ]
Does Cuomo need to apologize?
Well that's the point, we're being so quick to label it internalized racism, but can you call it internalized racism when it literally doesn't mean that anymore? Even as is without the AA connotations...its means exactly the same thing as what he was trying to get across, and multiple other people have said. Meanwhile the demand fo an apology is telling me a lot about the people demanding it. I think his reasoning is somewhere along the lines of: "You're asking me to accept a major blackmark for a comment that you really had to work to find something offensive in...not a chance I think its more like you owe ME and apology for suddenly turning on me - suck it up". I mean look at how far this article draws out an innocuous comment. Sambo?

[ Parent ]
ok, I'm white, but...
I smell racism, and I'm not even interested in voting for Obama.  Obama jives less than anyone I can think of-- even Ivy League Yankee Ann Coulter tries to be Southern more often than Obama tries to sound Afro-American.

Obviously Cuomo doesn't know what shuck and jive means. (I know, and I'm a PhD in Slavic Languages from Lilly White Wisconsin).   He's pulling it out of a his ass to describe, I don't know, how Obama doesn't sound like anyone on  Fat Albert.   Obama, even though I don't really like him, does not play the race card.

I'm deeply disappointed in Cuomo.  


Andrew Cuomo needs to apologize ...
for his comment. It was the wrong thing to say, and he needs to acknowledge it.  

BAC

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I enjoyed a little Shuck and Jive. And you might, too.

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Crap
"Obviously Cuomo doesn't know what shuck and jive means."

No way.  Bullshit.  

Cuomo is known for his work on "anti-hate speech".  There is no way that he could not have known this was a blatantly racist reference.

At this point, I'm going to spend the entire primary season sending castigating educating emails to campaign managers about the evils of allying with utilizers of racist and/or sexist language.  Crap.


Somehow I can't imagine ths story taking off...
Come on, its a phrase that was in and fell out of favor in that use before the man was born, and in this case there is such a things as too sensitive. I've heard it used by peers my age, in exactly the same way he does. It certainly didn't offend me, and I can't honestly see what he has to respond for. Esecially since he did apply it to both forerunners. I mean a lot of people may end up looking into the origional meaning of the words since there's some small web-recoil, but since it IS the type of phrasing that you have to look up to understand why it might be offensive, I can't see vast voter outrage.

It doesn't MEAN anything like that to this generation. I can imagine that there will be overt racism from someone in this race, but I don't think this is it.


I don't know what your generation is . . .
. . . but Cuomo is my age, less a year (he was born in 1957) -- and I heard the term "shuck and jive" in actual racist use a good bit when I was growing up (Kansas).  He knows what it connotes and what it means, imo.

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Not necessarily the same
Kansas versus new york though. I extrapolate that the experience might have been slightly different if only because as a young adult one of the big art garfunkel songs would have been Mr. Shuck 'n jive (which I only know a) my dad  has the song [same general area but his english isn't good so who knows how offensive it was at the time] and b) because the lyrics are the only thing that comes up other than the chain.)

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If you haven't seen this
cartoon, it's worth the couple of seconds it will take to click over.
http://www.chron.com/apps/comi...

Boxing
I guess it is missed that it is a term used by boxing commentators reporters and fans...

Jones tried to shuck and jive his way to a win with fancy moves and a little butt wiggling, but the judges didn't buy it. Tarver was landing more and better punches.~ Dan Raphael (ESPN.com) October 3rd 2005
http://sports.espn.go.com/spor...

So let's all step back from that gold plated bovine and have Moses read off the accomplishments of light heavyweights before we place Roy "on another level". What's that commandment there say? "Thou shall not shuck and jive and chicken-strut thy way ahead of the great fighters who went before based on fighting one #5 ranked non-champion with a gaudy belt".~by B. R. Bearden  (East Side Boxing) http://www.eastsideboxing.com/...

Thus, the action is frantic to be sure, but it lacks the depth a true boxing game needs to grant you precise control of your fighter and allow you to shuck and jive, read your opponent, and land precision blows.~ Cory D. Lewis (IGN.com) JAN. 27 2003

Seems to me if Cuomo is a boxing fan he may believe that SHuckin' and Jivin' is to bob and weave. Maybe he isn't a student of history... Until this episode I never thought about Sguckin and Jivin outside of boxing/fighting.


Not to put too fine a point on it
 . . . but you do realize that the first two quotes are directed at Roy Jones Jr., who is . . . you know . . . black?

I'd be interested if anyone can find a boxing commentator quote in which the phrase "shuck and jive" is used in reference to a white boxer.

Jus' sayin'.


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"apparently in reference to Barack Obama."
Apparently not!  Read the transcript:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/...

Cuomo mentions both the Iowa (where Obama won) and NH processes, basically saying politicians can't bullshit the media in those states the way they bullshit reporters in other states.    He was talking about bullshitter politicians not cutting it in Iowa and NH.  He wasn't talking about Obama at all.

As for shucking and jiving, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that nobody -- and I mean nobody -- ever shucked and jived like Slick Willy Clinton.  That man could shuck and jive through a hail of machine gun bullets.  The man was the master!


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