Papal bleating of the week

speaking of the hetero mom who nuked her baby,

i saw a pro-life billboard today that said "god knew my soul before i was born".  it had upon it the obligatory picture of an adorable baby.

i want to put up a billboard next to it with a picture of the (formerly) cute little nuked babe, and it will read, "what kind of asshole is god to know my soul before it was born yet still stick it into the progeny of these monsters?"

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by: Lurleen @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 20:41:11 PM CST

Well, sounds like a fun campaign

I see a new LGBT grassroots movement there ;-) ... wouldn't it be an appropriate answer to put a billboard next to each wingnut billboard?  Sounds like a perfect thing to do :-)

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by: rupi3000 @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 22:15:39 PM CST

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Praise the Lord!

I think to be totally consistent, you'd need to include the mug shot of the mother with the quotation, "God knew my soul before I was born and chose me to come into the world so that I would grow up to have this blessed baby to microwave."

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by: Pollyanna @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 22:31:13 PM CST

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LOL

perfect!

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by: Lurleen @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 23:12:03 PM CST

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That's not exactly my sentiments,

   but I hated those bumper stickerrs that said something like "a child is a gift of God." I told my mom, thats not true becasue if it was many people who have children never would have gotten any.

 

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 22:53:57 PM CST

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Microwave case

Just FYI, the judge declared a mistrial yesterday in the trial.  Some new information came in from the defense that seriously confuses the issue of who, exactly, put the baby in the microwave.  May not have been the mother - a new trial is indicated.

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by: Zorya @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:05:37 AM CST

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Didn't realize there were two cases until I looked at Pam's link

I was referring to the China Arnold case in Dayton, Ohio.  

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by: Zorya @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:08:28 AM CST

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Beware of the Church's model family.

As an Irishwoman, I am painfully aware of the outcome of Benedict's ideas when applied to a nation. The Republic, in it's Constitution, recognized the family as the basis of the state and the responsibility of the government to nuture it. For decades, this meant that as soon as a woman was married and pregnant, she had to leave her job and stay at home to raise children.

As a feminist, I have to say that it is the Church that is misguided, not women, and certainly not feminist women.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 21:34:05 PM CST

Well what would you expect from...

someone who opposes Rock N Roll,spoke out against Bob Dylan,refuses to allow Women to become priests and kicked out various people and denied communion to members of Dignity(which i'm a part of),and banned Electric guitars at Mass.

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by: werewolffan98 @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 22:15:42 PM CST

The foundation of dignity

I would think it lies simply in being a human being, experiencing consciousness, possessing a conscience.  But I'm not a theologian or anything.

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by: Sportin' Life @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 22:23:49 PM CST

there you go again,

trying to think for yourself!  egads!

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by: Lurleen @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 23:11:30 PM CST

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Fundamental anthropological truths my foot

If he'd read up on anthropology lately, he'd have seen that plenty of anthropologists have recognized that non-traditional kinship and gender roles are alive and well and their kids are just fine too, thank you.  If you're going to appeal to science, at least check with the scientists.

Dr. Jillian T. Weiss

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by: DrJillianTWeiss @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:13:17 AM CST

You missed this disclaimer:

"Catholic anthropology differs profoundly from post-modern secularist ideas"

So it isn't really science, it's Catholic science.  Big difference.

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by: Jami @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 10:56:27 AM CST

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talk about moral relativism and the catholic church's cash flow

When the Pope starts advocating

the state ban divorce (annulment will be OK in the case of infertility)

require married couples to live together as husband and wife

removal of children from the care of a single (yes, even widowed) parent that has not remarried (to be sent to live with a "traditional family"); and

starts excommunicating US and European Catholics who

1. practice birth control
2. have abortions
3. consistently refuse church doctrine regarding sex and "traditional family values"
and
4. married mothers who refuse to make their families their sole "career"

I'll stop calling bullshit when he makes statements such as these.  

It's amazing what the church will have the gall to do in countries in which most congregants are poor vs what statements and actions they'll make in Western EU and the US where the majority of church members don't quite adhere to papal doctrine in their daily lives.  The church is too afraid to lose the tithes here which proves it's about the cash not the principle.  Let the pope be the final earthly arbiter of how a Catholic must act on Earth; we'll see how well that works for the church before we consider if the rest of us should comply.

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by: ol cranky @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 08:10:31 AM CST

They did all of this in Ireland

til as late as 1996, when the last of the Magdalen Laundries closed. It took Irish women decades after the promised equality of 1916 to undue the effects of the Church written and aproved(even before the legislature, the Dail, ever saw it) Constitution of 1937.

And they still are not there.

Bishops still do preach these things in poor countries where the Church has great power. Benedict will not for precisely the reasons that you listed, primarily money, but will impose Catholicism into law wherever he can get away with it.

There are four conservative Catholics(one Opus Dei) and one moderate Catholic on the US Supreme Court. Since the last two arrived, there has been a significan rollback in civil liberties and equality. Expect more and stop wishing for Benedict to shout orders "Turn Right!" The Justices would obey.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 23:47:59 PM CST

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On a lighter note, Pam,

where do you get so many wonderful pictures of the First Rodent, I mean, Pope?
No make-up needed to play Nosferatu.
And he sure lurvs his outfits.

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by: Tomistocles @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 08:55:34 AM CST

stupid insanity

  The Phillipines, and a definitively Catholic country has pulled condoms and birth control pills from their clinics. Evidently, the powers that be are also wedded to the idea that birth control or prophylactics against disease are unnatural and disrupt the order proscribed by God.

  This, from a cabinet and local officials whose poorest live in squalor and have to glean their daily fare from garbage dumps.
Did they so soon forget the lessons of Romania that banned all forms of birth control and abortion?
Did they forget the conditions a generation ago in Brazil with the same government doctrine?

 Packs and packs of children, literally running the streets unattended like dogs. Children who were exploited by sex and drug traffickers. Children who became infected with HIV because of sexual abuse? Children, who ultimately and obviously been abandoned by their own parents because of these bass ackward policies that won't join in the 21st century.
 Sure, God might know their souls. But for millions their parents can't or won't. And don't care...and there are only so many OTHER people to go around who could care for these children.
Our own American foster care system is embarassingly overwhelmed and overburdened WITH so many birth control options in place.

  Why does the Pope or any other asshole keep thinking that every child born is a WANTED one?!
Well, I say send each and every child who has no parents TO THE VATICAN to live! And if the Pope tries to turn any one of them away from HIS house, then his hypocrisy will be there for one and all to see.
 Apparently, he doesn't think he REALLY has to live by those inconvenient Biblical rules if logic contradicts them.

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by: Regan DuCasse @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 10:08:06 AM CST

There's a basic disconnect here...

in that the Vatican (and many conservative Christian denominations) hold the view that sex is for procreation and downplay the nurturing effects of sex in the relationships they claim to support. I don't think they subscribe to Maslow's pyramid of needs, as least as far as considering sexual needs as needs.

In a classic case of unintended consequences, this seems likely to be behind many of the difficulties in maintaining relationships. I can't help recall Like Water for Chocolate in this context--specifically, the married couple who pray before having intercourse, and seem to do it so perfunctorily. There's no evidence of the woman's orgasm, which, as I understand it, contributes to successful procreation. It's as if by trying to follow the rules, they are sabotaging their efforts. I don't think it's coincidental that marriage depicted in the film isn't particularly happy.

On a specifically Catholic note, I'm recalling a one-man show in which Pope John XXIII reads a letter from a Catholic man whose wife often pushed him away (with a distraught expression) when she thought she might be fertile. (I'm thinking Charles Durning was portraying the Pope, but I could be wrong.) John XXIII was shown being distressed about the suffering caused by such attempts to follow the rhythm method when the economic stakes were so high. The show went on to suggest that the changes John wanted to make were more considerable than what actually came about, but I think it also showed he knew he was dying and that things might not got as far as he wished if he was not around to influence events.

Indeed, it seems things are going distinctly backwards. The various types of suffering engendered by straight marriage (including those referred to by the Blenders in this discussion) seem to be tacitly accepted. I can almost hear these folks shrug and say, "Suffering is a part of life. It's because of the Fall."  If you try to call them on it, they will not seem to consider that those problems may well be even partly due to the structures of which they're so fond. If you're not limited to reason, you can even blame the queers for them.

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by: Switchhttr69 @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 17:24:46 PM CST