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Hillary Clinton's real problem

by: Pam Spaulding

Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:00:00 AM EST


It was supposed to be a certainty, Hillary Clinton's inevitability as the Democratic nominee.

Joe Sudbay @ Americablog said months ago that there would be a Clinton collapse  (so early on that people were laughing at him).  Even he didn't have an idea that things would implode so badly, either from that unknown factor -- the 2008 voter -- or the known factor, an arrogant team that figured this was going to be a cruise to victory. Joe:

For the past year, we were led to believe that Clinton had built an incomparable campaign team.  That's proven not to be true.  Top aide Mark Penn is a disaster (and according to Fineman, Penn is the one who wants to go really negative - good luck with that.)  The Clinton team simply had no plan for any of the states after February 5th - they knew, and loudly told everyone who would listen, that they were going to win on Super Tuesday.  Now that we're far beyond Super Tuesday, with Hillary falling more and more behind (the AP tonight called her "fading"), her campaign's bizarre response has been to dismiss any state won by Obama.  Just this weekend, The Washington Post reported that the Clinton campaign just figured out the rules in Texas (the primary/caucus is only two weeks away).  And, Clinton didn't field a full slate of delegates for Pennsylvania. Those are supposed to be rookie mistakes.

Hillary Clinton deserves better than the campaign she's had.  But, Clinton put this campaign together.  She owns it.
He echoes a comment I made last night in an post from Monday ("Bidenizing Obama") in response to someone who claimed:

have you surrendered every brain cell and shred of fairness to the Obama Borg?

I haven't endorsed Obama. I don't think he's a savior, particularly to the LGBT community, and I've blogged about his blunders of incredible magnitude (McClurkin), as well as his ability to address homophobia in the black community. I've defended Hillary Clinton against the misogyny of Chris Matthews and the talking heads at MSNBC, and I've been clear for years now, that I've never been a fan of Clinton.

It's not my fault that the arrogance of the Clinton campaign staff has led their candidate down this path, not only to bush-league weak crap tactics, but they are now in a circular firing squad trying to blame everyone else for their failures. They wanted everyone to know that her nomination was an inevitability, and with loss after loss the excuses became more desperate (caucuses don't count, states with high black voting pops don't count, etc.), and it's clear they didn't even bother to pace themselves spending money because they just knew it would be over after Super Tuesday.

Having no game plan isn't my fault or anyone else's pointing out that campaign's downward spiral. In fact, I'm actually kind of disappointed that her surrogates/campaign staff sent out to the MSM, such as Kiki McLean, are dodging actual policy questions. Isn't this the campaign that wants to focus on the issues, to point out Obama's an empty suit? That BS banter about mandated insurance was heinous. That won't stand up to any GOP attack. If she's vetted and ready (and presumably with a better health care reform plan in her arsenal), it sure didn't look that way.

As you can see, I actually place less blame at Hillary Clinton's door than Joe does.  Yes, she picked her team, and one of the flaws she shares with the current president is loyalty to staff even when they are failing her and need to step (or be pushed) aside. That she does own, but it's relevant that any campaign is more than just the candidate.

More after the jump.

Pam Spaulding :: Hillary Clinton's real problem
For whatever reason, seven years of George W. Bush have so traumatized the average voter that they are willing to come out in unheard-of numbers in all demographics to vote for a candidate who represents, in their minds, a complete 180 on all fronts.

That's Hillary's real problem. She and her campaign reek of establishment entitlement, a history of being in Washington in bed with the same consultant class and advisers who wish to re-install themselves in power positions. These are people who obviously thought they were smarter strategists than anyone else in the room, and Clinton trusted that they had their finger on the pulse of the electorate.

What they had their finger on was a light switch connected to bad wiring. They campaigned like it was 1999, racking up the endorsements of establishment leaders of the various Dem constituencies, including the old-guard black leaders they were familiar with. The Clinton team rifled through their tattered rolodexes to do the same re: LGBTs, hispanics, women.

These folks, in many cases, are simply out of touch with younger voters and voters living in the real world who went to polls. Black leaders that Clinton counted on to "represent" didn't deliver, and it's clear those leaders didn't know that they couldn't deliver either. They are all breathing the same stale establishment air, air that goes to their brains and apparently limits, to a great extent, rational thinking to matters of preserving (and indeed, improving, with regime change) their positions of access and power.

It doesn't help that the former president, Bill Clinton, has proven to be more of a liability than anyone could have predicted. I think voters see Hillary Clinton and simply cannot see "change." Or at least change they would like to see.

Our country's issues with gender bias places everything Clinton does under a microscope (how she "manages" her husband, the "emotional moment" in NH, etc.), and that makes it a horrible uphill battle for a female candidate, given who rules the roost in the MSM. However, I would argue that gender may play less of a role in this race because of the broad demographic voting patterns we are seeing here. I think the problem is that the woman is Hillary Clinton  -- it's quite possible that a woman could have faired better in this race, just not this one. She and her team cannot remake her to be someone else -- an outsider. Apparently voters have been willing to gamble on "hope" and "change" when offered it as an alternative. Is that good or bad? I don't have an answer, but it looks like we're about to find out.

Back to the "empty suit" problem for those of you out there who feel Hillary's experience and competence on the issues have been given short shrift because of the power of Obama's connection (whatever pixie dust he has) with voters. Her supporters claim he's unvetted, no one is looking at his policies, etc.  People are examining them, certainly the GOP will pick them apart. I don't think that translates, however, into an argument Clinton is the one who is more electable, something that her campaign has said repeatedly even as the demographics in the voting results pile up evidence to the contrary.

The problem isn't the policy positions, I think the main dismay among the Clintonistas is that the voters are responding to something Obama has -- charisma and a message that connects -- that she cannot match, and that they don't know how to successfully counter that.

Unfortunately it's pretty hard to wag your finger at the American public and tell them not to be fooled, or that they are stupid for thinking with their hearts, not their heads. That doesn't garner more votes, in fact it can cause blowback. That is a dilemma for a campaign ready to go on cruise control to the convention.

Last night Obama gave a speech in Texas that was both meant to inspire and inform, more wonky than the usual oratory. It's clear he knows he has to win over people with more than the silver tongue.

Will Obama stand up to GOP attacks if he's the nominee? Who knows, but the GOP will get down in the gutter through 527 orgs, of course, so McCain and the party keep their hands clean. Obama will face fury from the right, hate radio and the Little Green Footballs set that will be unprecedented. After all, Rush thinks it's great fun to run "Barack, the Magic Negro." I dread the thought of what new efforts in misogyny we would see if Clinton is the nominee and the GOP attack dogs are unleashed. One can only hope that the American people are finally ready to put a stake through the heart of these blood-sucking, fear-baiting, spirit-sapping media, "Christians," moralists and bigots.

I welcome their continuing descent into the gutter; it will further marginalize their movement in a time where the people that pick our president are looking for positive change, not more gloom and doom -- like 100, 1000, or 10,000 years in Iraq, as McCain plans to sell himself.

Given the rough and tumble of this primary and all the barbs tossed between Obama and Clinton supporters, it's important to remind ourselves about total turnout and who really faces the uphill battle -- McCain, A snapshot from Wisconsin:

Obama: 645,554
Clinton: 452,590
McCain: 224,122
Huckabee: 151,114

***

UPDATE: Oh, well, why wait for a McCain 527 -- it looks like tapped-out big Clinton donors are going to hit the gutter first by forming one on behalf of Hillary. Sigh.

Pro-Clinton 527 Prepares For Ohio, PA and Texas

Allies of Hillary Clinton plan an expensive, stealth campaign to buttress her standing in the must-win states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

They're canvassing Clinton donors for pledges of up to $100,000 in the hope of raising at least $10M by the end of next week. The money will be placed in the account of a political committee organized under section 527 of the tax code.

A Democrat who was briefed on the project said that Pennsylvania attorney William A. K. Titelman is leading the effort to solicit money. Titleman, who raised money for Gov. Bill Richardson's presidential campaign, has not contributed money to Clinton. He did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

By law, the 527 cannot coordinate its activities with the Clinton campaign, although at least one major Clinton donor with direct ties to the campaign said last night that the effort was an open secret among donors.

(Update: Per ABC's Jake Tapper, the group is calling itself the "American Leadership Project" and is staffed by several veterans of the Clinton White House.)

A Clinton spokesman said he knew nothing about the 527.

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McCain's downfall...in the general election
will come when he has one of his famous meltdowns during a debate.  Whether facing Clinton or Obama, he will crack and people will get to see the real McCain.

I predict that will seal his fate...


Edwards
I don't understand why Edwards didn't pull the votes when in my opinion he was running a campaign on issues.  My prediction of a Clinton/Edwards ticket that I made a long way back is certainly not going to happen now.  Maybe a Obama/Edwards ticket?

Excellent analysis, Pam
You put into words some things I have been thinking throughout this primary season.  Thank you.

Dead On Pam
She and her campaign reek of establishment entitlement, a history of being in Washington in bed with the same consultant class and advisers who wish to re-install themselves in power positions. These are people who obviously thought they were smarter strategists than anyone else in the room, and Clinton trusted that they had their finger on the pulse of the electorate.

I think this is one of the most important facets of this campaign. We already have had experience with an administration that waltzed into office and acted as if the previous 8 years did not occur. Hillary initially surrounded herself with many of the old Clinton administration folks, and people saw more of the same - Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. I really think if Hillary were simply Senator Rodham of NY, and not a former First Lady, she would have had much more success in this primary season.

The other facet of this, though, is totally related to the turnout Pam notes. It is clear that the Democrats, and many Independents (and not a few Repubs), are fired up to end the Bush regime. For most of us (and I was one until a couple of weeks ago), the point was not which Democrat would win the nomination, but ensuring the Dems in general won in November, and added to their Congressional majority. On Super Tuesday, IIRC, something like 70% of the Dem electorate was satisfied with either candidate.

I think that is why we saw such huge shifts in votes, like in NH, where the polls just did not make sense initially. As it turned on in that primary, Obama polled exactly as many as predicted, but Clinton polled much higher - the undecideds and the "any Dem" voters went for her after it seemed she was being attacked by the media. But that also meant the voters could shift just as quickly to Obama.

I also think there was concern about Obama's electibility and Clinton was seen as the establishment candidate - sort of a Howard Dean/John Kerry set-up. But as Obama began building his very slow momentum, and unleashed the charisma that Dean could not hope to match 4 years ago, people began seeing him as electible. Anyone who had concerns about Clinton's negatives with Repubs and Independents, particularly her likely ability to fortify the Right against her, suddenly had a potential candidate that was looking stronger and stronger. That kind of momentum builds on itself, and will be very hard for Clinton to handle.

I really think going negative will also hurt her for the same reasons. If you are already losing momentum to a candidate that promises change in how politics occur, especially when that candidate has similar policies and positions, going negative may be seen as the only option, but it is only going to push people toward Obama. And now positions seem to be stregthening, so Clinton has fewer voters likely to shift to her.  


Rush didn't come up with "the magic negro"
After all, Rush thinks it's great fun to run "Barack, the Magic Negro."

Rush didn't come up with pinning the term "The Magic Negro" on Obama. (I haven't looked at the Blend Archives, but I suspect that Pam or someone else has already noted this. But I figure I'd point out its origins to those who don't know.)

It was that cantankerous writer David Ehrenstein (who has gone on the record to say that all young gays are "scum" but that's another rant for another time). He wrote an article about "Barack the Magic Negro" in the L.A. Times.

Link here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/op...

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination - the "Magic Negro."

The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... .

...

Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him.

Anyway, Rush is a ridiculous gasbag, and the sooner he leaves the air the better, but the intention of Rush's "Magic Negro" video was intended to mock the original article. Of course, pretty much everything that comes out of Rush's mouth smells of vomit and his attempt at parody was pretty offensive, but come on... why did Ehrenstein write that pointless article in the first place? Sure I know it was supposed to be tongue in cheek (ooooh... post-modernist satire... how HIP! eyeroll), but it really added nothing to the discussion. It was begging to be mocked. It was just unfortunate that the person who stepped forward to mock it was Rush Limbaugh.

Ehrenstein's article belonged in The Onion, not in the L.A. Times.

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...as per Wisconsin voter yesterday
Very succinctly as Midwesterners are. ' I think Clinton could do a good job, but its time to take the tablecloth off and shake it.'

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, eh, I won't be fooled again.
Hillary DOES have her supporters

09:02:07 02/20/2008
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You all are really fooled. If you think he can bring a change ,it wont be what you want. You think its not going to be Black Power all over again your wrong.This whole race has been racial ,from white men voting Obama because they dont want a woman president.African Americans cant get pass their color,young follow his head full of dreams and hopes like the pied piper. You all act like hes God and can change the world with smooth talk. Hes going to say anything to get and to office.After he does this country will be screwed worst than it is.He wants terroist to come over in our country from Cuba to meet their relatives. Real smart .He rather see the enemy in our back yard .He knock hillary on the war.You got to go after the terroist.Wasnt 911 bad enough.My opinion being a Viet nam Vet , Obama is more like a Dictator ( Hitler) has all you brainwashed with dreams and hope that he wont perform.He puts down Washington and says dreams die there.Where in the Hell do you think he would be if he made office. America better wake up before its to late.Theres only two things quarenteed in life and thats paying taxes and dying.Do you really think Hillary had a chance when this race is so racial against a woman president ,and all the African Americans vote for their own kind. Your right thell be a change and it will be to late when this country falls over dreams and hopes. Anybody can do a good talk,dont mean you can change the world. This country will be sad if he makes it in office.Dont blame no one but your selfs. You all want to knock the clintons,but we had no wars ,and economy was better when he was in. He made one mistake on free trade and you all dwell on that.Well you will all wish you voted Hillary and put your pride behind you.After all that was Bill in Office. Hillary is running herself and has the knowledge and know how to bring change. Obama has to face congress and Washington that he knocks down. Do you really think they will pass his bills. Hillary is stronger and has them already on her side to pass health care ect. You all will never see what your promised by Obama. He is not God ,though you all are brainwashed to think he walks on water. Go Hillary

from: the comments at http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227...


Painful to read
Invective aside, my inner English teacher is cringing.

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I know
That was what prompted me to reprint it here.  Reminds me so much of some of the anti-gay screeds which Pam finds and passes on for us.  I keep thinking of what I heard was Hillary's "base" - old, poor, uneducated white folk.

[ Parent ]
you can find crackpots
supporting each and every candidate.  don't forget all the unabashed heterosupremecists who support obama, for example.

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Hillary failed...
to keep her husband in check and he became a liability to the campaign. I do think she would do a better job than Obama but I trust neither one. I wish we could call a do over, LOL. Out of those who were out there in the beginning, I thought Biden was the best choice.

Whether it is Obama or Clinton, my vote will go to the Dems because the alternative is far, far worse.


Lack of introspection
is a big part of her problem (my humble opinion). Her campaign looks like a "deny reality and petty spin tactics" machine - rather than one capable of make fundamental strategy changes midstream. Surrounding herself with "yes" men and women doesn't help.  

The NAFTA Clinton factor
Hillary is hoping the hard working class will vote for her in Ohio. NAFTA has devastated the entire Midwest. This includes Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and even Pennsylvania. People who say working class Democrats will vote for Hillary Clinton, when the Clinton's gave us NAFTA don't know working class Americans.
Hillary's man Bill that she stands by is an albatross around her neck.  She should not have critized Tammy Wynette, the remark has come back to haunt her and lose the election.

So It's Obama
It's clear now that the Dem nominee, and most likely the next President, is Barack Obama. When he decides to set up the Big Tent on the White House lawn in order to invite in those who disagree with him, he certainly won't have to include the GLBTs. We're already in his pocket.
No, the Big Tent will be open for the bigots, the ex-gays, the McClurkins, the Republicans.
You think Bill Clinton "betrayed" us with DADT and DOMA? You ain't seen nuthin yet. Keep your expectations as low as possible.  

Pam, so dead-on
i second your commentary!  i applaud and admire your insight and thoughtfulness on the sad disinigration of a campaign. Sen. Clinton was loyal to the wrong guys. Hypothetical, what if she had had the best and brightest an freshest WOMEN advising and forging ahead? (i certainly do not mean to be sexist at all)
it is one for the books.

Yawn - another Slam Hillary piece

PHB pieces critical of Senator Clinton:  1056
PHB pieces critical of Senator Obama:      10

Of course, I did make up those figures, but I doubt the percentage is off by much, Pam.  I do agree with the concept of, "your house, your rules," but thank goodness you're rarely making any of those claims to being "fair and balanced" regarding the candidates anymore.  That was, well, strange.


Good reasoning...
I think you hit on a lot of the hot points that many will agree on, but I think there was a more basic problem:

Why Hillary lost the nomination:

http://thetimtimes.com/?p=175

Woefully submitted for your consideration.

Enjoy.

Mom always told me I was special and I believed her.


Well-Reasoned
Unfortunately it's pretty hard to wag your finger at the American public and tell them not to be fooled, or that they are stupid for thinking with their hearts, not their heads.

I agree with the sentiment here.  But the problems with Hillary you presented in this post are really quite rational and don't necessarily add up to a head v. heart situation.  It concerns me that we can easily relegate a desire for change to some sort of vague sentimentality.  Fact is that Clinton's baggage--whether completely deserved or not--exists.  It's one edge of the double-edged sword that represents "experience" in DC.  With time and experience come dubious connections and various factions of detractors. There is no disconnect between head and heart to want to lighten the load of the next four years by electing a president who has less of that.  It's totally rational.


Aching
I'm hurting deeply over the outcome of the election. I've always deeply wanted to have a good woman as president.

When I learned that an African-American was running I was really thrilled about that but I was discomfitted with what I heard about Obama-Mania. I began to watch him before Iowa. When I first heard him I thought he was really good but I noticed immediately that he had no content. I thought it must be a warm-up, but I kept listening and still didn't hear any content which was alienating to me. I'm not the only one to notice this. Said one commentator, "I went to his rally and really felt great but two hours later I couldn't remember what he said." There's no small wonder. When I first heard of his talk of "change" there was discussion of what the change was, there was just the mindless "Change" and as is typical of the new millenium the sentence is never complete.

Obama aside, I am disappointed in the Clinton campaign. NO ONE, especially a woman in this country should ever start a campaign based on inevitability. You'll be off course after the first loss. I have really come to wonder about Mark Penn. It was him who didn't want Hillary to become  vulnerable in New Hampshire. I know there's not much time during this season but it doesn't appear that Team Hillary has stepped back to re-evaluate, they just keep trying the same thing over again. Somehow, this does suggest some "out of touchness". Hillary's campaign has not been flexible and hasn't shown an ability step back and take a deep breath. There have been other problems. How on earth could Solis have mismanaged those huge sums of money? Perhaps this question is a little presumptive because they spent 25 million on Iowa and lost. The largest problem I see is a more abstract one. Hillaries campaign has not been able to demonstrate out of the box thinking.

Obama, on the other hand, has been totally out of the box but never in the box. If Mckane does not meltdown I think macKane can heavily damage Obama because in debates, Obama looses his gloss and hallo. He pauses and "ums" and "aws" where hillary has been very eloquent and polished. To the credit of his team they have been excellent at poltical guerilla warfare. They developed highly adept strategies to win caucus states and states that the Clinton campaign didn't seem to consider important.

I am saddened every so deeply that I do not think I will be alive to see a woman president.

The worse part about it is that most people agree that Hillary would be a better commander-in-chief than Obama. in retrospect, I think it would have been great for Hillary to say, "My vote for the war was a mistake based on the best information we had at the time."

Peace to you Hillary and thank you.


" I noticed immediately that he had no content "
Pretty much my take...I just don't get it.


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It's the same electorate
"Unfortunately it's pretty hard to wag your finger at the American public and tell them not to be fooled, or that they are stupid for thinking with their hearts, not their heads."

This is the same country that elected George Bush and Ronald Reagan twice. But what is occurring with Obama gives room for great concern. Obama's tremendous popularity is a deep warning sign that the majority of the electorate has lost it's ability to think critically.


How's their spelling?
But seriously, what if you looked at the policies of both and don't like HRCs?

As for the CiC claim, should you really say that another head of state "doesn't have a soul?"


[ Parent ]
I'm sorry....

Between the acronyms and other things, I didn't understand your question.


[ Parent ]
well
HRC= Hillary Rodham Clinton
CiC=Commander in Chief

(Since you're more informed than Obama voters, I'm sure you remember HRC's saying the Vladmir Putin "doesn't have a soul." That's a gaffe from where I'm standing.

Also, I'm going to admit that I'm blowing off a little steam. I enjoy policy (even during non-presidential election years). I'm already tired of the repeated claim that Obama voters aren't thinking with their heads. When it came from someone who misspelled McCain multiple times, I broke out the smarmy. Sorry (for the smarmy, not my fully informed opinions).

I don't like mandates. Why don't I end homelessness by mandating that everyone buy or rent a home? You know the government often has a very harsh definition of poor. A lot of people who live hand to mouth will have their wages garnered, because they're not quite poor enough. I don't think it's feasible to freeze interest rates for five years; this directly interferes with every adjustable rate mortgage contract. It's an unreal proposal. And, though the subprime crisis is sad, I don't think you can feasibly do a 90 day moratorium on all foreclosures. But, of course, you know all this.


[ Parent ]
McCayun
Yes, I probably did spell McCain's name wrong. I don't bother with the spelling of people's when I'm not fond of them.

"I'm already tired of the repeated claim that Obama voters aren't thinking with their heads."

Funny about Hillary's claim about Putin. I agree with what was written above about Obama being an empty suit and I'll support what I say about that. I hear him saying, "We're tired of X" (four times to make it rhythmic).   What I hear is "speech" and no real connection to the issue. Obama is performative. He has a lot of emotion, but it's sculpted and tailored to arouse. I have never heard him address an issue. He is too busy speaking to and swaying the audience. He contrasts with John Edwards who really does seems to care.

There are other things I see in Obama's supporters. "They don't want to here it." I love HRC yet I was honestly critical of her campaign and ultimately that's reflection of her. Why isn't James Clavell doing what Mark Penn is doing? But Obama supporters do not seem to be able to deal with actual issues about their candidate. I don't get upset or attack people who don't like Hillary, we can always talk about it. But Obama supporters go into instant resentment. What is that about?

I don't think Clinton really likes mandates either but her costs are half as high as Obama's per person. The difference is about $2200 per person versus $4400 for Obama's because of the mandate itself. Which  do you want to pay? Are we going to have Universal health care of "sort of universal health care."

Tomorrow night, there will be a CNN debate in Texas. Clinton will be incredibly well informed. Obama will hmm and haw around. It won't make any difference. What matters is , for a good time (now and for the short run) call Obama. He isn't ready to be president yet.


???
"But, of course, you know all this."

I know nothing of the sort. I am totally fine at disrupting capitalism. I'd love to see it end.


[ Parent ]
20 years ago I might have agreed with you
But with the rise of onilne trading and 401ks you realize it will not be the corporations getting hurt. Retirement accounts are not made of ice cream and rainbows. Also, I think the above can't get passed, which undermines the "Get things done" meme.

[ Parent ]
charisma gap
The problem isn't the policy positions, I think the main dismay among the Clintonistas is that the voters are responding to something Obama has -- charisma and a message that connects -- that she cannot match, and that they don't know how to successfully counter that.

I think you nailed it with this. It seems obvious to me. Even though I voted for Hillary, I have to agree with your analysis.

Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls


So?

Hillary Clinton does not have the charisma and the ability to connect that Obama does. That is not a source of consternation in the least. It just doesn't bother me.

JFK had substance. MLK had substance. They both connected and they were wonderful. Obama does connect but when he does, there's still no one home.

Hillary doesn't connect as well as Obama nor does she have the charisma Obama does. It's nice when you have all three. When you don't, I'll take what Hillary has.

Besides... hillary is another woman. I'm tired of male presidents.


[ Parent ]
What Peri said.
No substance...that's a Obama description I've been trying to find.
Bush was  a change too don't forget.

All Hat and

no cattle?

Obama did a little better tonight. But when I followed him closely he still drifted off into non-specifics.

Hillary drew a standing ovation.


A good comeback from getting booed
What do you think will happen when it gets out that her closing remarks are Xeroxed from Edwards?

[ Parent ]
How ingracious .....

Yes but the booing came from Obama supporters who are delusional.

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