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For all you Shirley Q. Liquor fans out there

by: Pam Spaulding

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 13:00:00 PM EST


This is simply not acceptable.

Blogger and activist Jasmyne Cannick has been on the hit list of the fans of "performance artist" Charles Knipp, who makes a living playing clubs dressed up in blackface as Shirley Q. Liquor, ( "a welfare mother with nineteen kids who guzzles malt liquor, and drives a Caddy.")  

In fact, Knipp's promoter's website once posted Jasmyne's private email and phone number on its website, prompting threats of rape and death threats because she dared to discuss the offensiveness of the act and challenge venues not to host it. This week, Jasmyne shared the latest escalation from Knipp. It's after the jump.

Pam Spaulding :: For all you Shirley Q. Liquor fans out there
Jasmyne:
So I decided, after much thought, to post the photo that Charles Knipp, aka Shirley Q. Liquor, tactlessly posted on the homepage of his website last week.

Yes, that's my face, no that's not my body.  That body belongs to Annie Hawkins-Turner, better known as porn star Norma Stitz, get it...enormous tits.  And while, Ms. Hawkins-Turner made a name for herself with her extremely large natural breasts, 120XXX-50-60 to be exact, I make mine from my work in politics, journalism, and social justice activism.

...This is about a man, a white man, a white gay man, who dresses up in drag and blackface for other white people, mostly gay, and mimics Black women.  This is about the fact that there was a campaign launched against him in 2007 that cost him money with canceled shows.  This is about the fact that someone took the time to report on his racist blackface minstrel act and he didn't like it.

...If Knipp is such a bad ass, why post my photo on a porn star? All he ever had to do was just name the date time and place to debate me one on one about his racist and derogatory show. I mean after all, the man obviously has no problem dressing up and imitating a Black woman, he should have no problem debating one.

I've posted on the Shirley Q. Liquor controversy before, and the comments have been heated and contentious. As I said to folks who saw no harm in Knipp's act:
A lot of the opining in defense of SQL comes from people who don't have to live down the stereotypes EVERY DAY perpetrated by acts like this.

I thank heavens every day for someone like Oprah Winfrey, an example of black women that the dominant culture can see that shatters the backwards, poisonous stereotypes that exist out there. And as we know, even she, with more money than god, still has to deal with racism based on the stereotypes.

I still encounter people surprised at my intelligence or my ability to speak English instead of Ebonics because the stereotypes precede me. This is especially true if I've only talked with the person over the phone (like a vendor or business colleague) and when I meet them, it's clear from the reaction that they had a different perception of what I was supposed to look like (i.e. white). Amusing and sad at the same time.

I also noted this act might be a celebration of something, but it isn't black women.  The stereotypes perpetrated by SQL are still applied to most black women in the absence of enough "evidence" one-on-one to convince people that they aren't welfare queens.

I personally don't think Knipp should be banned from performing. On the other hand, people have a right to contact venues and express their opinions about the quality of the programming that the establishment wants to be associated with.

Do not promote bigotry - Help Cancel the Shirley Q. Liquor Show in Miami Beach, Florida April 17th and 18th.

NOTE: Shirley Q. Liquor is NOT appearing at San Jose Pride.

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Low-Life Tactics
Charles Knipp has proven that he is an irredeemable scumbag.

Attacking Jasmyne in such a sexist and personal manner is unforgivable. Knipp will NEVER perform at a venue in my locality. I will organize protests if he tries.

Now, let me do away with some of the arguments that have been presented by SQL supporters in the past:

1) Saturday Night Live actors who impersonate black politicians and celebrities (Barak Obama, Jessie Jackson, etc.) wearing dark make up DO NOT compare to SQL. They don't use harmful racial stereotypes in their performances.

2) The Wayans brothers' White Chicks movie DOES NOT compare to SQL because rich white girls don't have a history of centuries of discrimination to deal with.

3) Knipp IS NOT satirizing blackface performances. He is perpetuating harmful stereotypes.

4) Even though I am a white man, I HAVE THE RIGHT to protest SQL as being harmful to society -- even if some people of color don't have a problem with it.

If you're new to this hot-button issue, please take some time to educate yourself on the topic of blackface and the role it played in the segregated South. The Wikipedia article on blackface is a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

I've also posted a clip of Amos and Andy on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

This is a prime example of the kind of demeaning blackface acts that were once popular with white audiences.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


thanks, Fritz
It's hard to believe there are still defenders out there of Knipp's act as "entertainment," but as we've seen here over and over, because many people don't like to dig deeper and explore why they find these things funny, and if there aren't problematic reasons for doing so. PC culture has taken these discussions off the table in many respects. Too often the historical context of acts like Knipp's doesn't register.

[ Parent ]
Ugh
SQL posts make me sick to my stomach.  It's hard to remember that even the opressed can still have a revolting level of bigotry and intolerance in them.  If I were to ever hear one of my friends say they are fans that would be a stop-talking-to-them moment, equivalent to hearing that they are a Scientologist or something.  There are just some things that are completely rancid.  Bigotry within a minority has to be at the top of that list.

[ Parent ]
It's Either Wrong or Right.
2) The Wayans brothers' White Chicks movie DOES NOT compare to SQL because rich white girls don't have a history of centuries of discrimination to deal with.

Of course! Always an excuse and rationalization for when ignorant, bigoted black-folks do it!

And I guess the black performers like RuPaul, etc. that love Shirley Q are "Uncle Toms" because they don't go along with your tiresome hysterics.

I hope you live in my town because if you think you're going to "make sure" someone doesn't perform, I'm quite sure you're going to be out-protested by people that don't agree with your thin-skinned silliness. Shirley Q Liquor, Family Guy, South Park... something for everyone to get all upset about that just don't get it.

Jasmyne's a much bigger hate-filled bigot that Shirley Q. Liquor, but that's always okay because of all the oppression she's had to go through. Boo hoo hoo hoo. Jasmyne also seems to think that Isaiah Washington's homophobia is to be forgiven and ignored. Oh, right I forgot, black trumps gay when you're playing Race Politics Poker.

Saying things like "I personally don't think Knipp should be banned from performing. On the other hand, people have a right to contact venues and express their opinions about the quality of the programming that the establishment wants to be associated with." is just a gutless way of being all for having performers "black balled" (sorry, couldn't resist the pun). Funny how people like you are all for free speech until it's something you don't like. Calling those venues is just a way of harassing them out of featuring the performers  you don't like. At least have the guts to say that's what you are trying to do.

P.S. Off to watching some Shirley Q. and laugh my ass off.


[ Parent ]
Cracker Knipp
I wonder how Knipp would feel if a straight fundie did a one-man rendition of Mr. Gay P. Edophile?  Bet he wouldn't think it was so funny.

I didn't watch this particular video, but have seen others you've posted.  All I can say is that Knipp has some talent, but that it is so sadly midirectly.  I think before, part of the debate around here was whether he was "really" racist or not.  Well, his attacks on Jasmyne remove any doubt from my mind.  A person doesn't personally attack a critic unless their schtick is rooted in something very personal...like a deep-seated racist view of African Americans.  This is how it all appears to me, anyway.

Btw, I was absolutely shocked to hear my own dad speaking of "cadillac-driving welfare queens" on a recent visit.  Crap like SQL only helps support bigot thinking like that, much like the hate speech of James Dobson et al. supports anti-LGBT stereotyping and agression.

I agree with Pam that Knipp should be allowed to perform, but his performances should not be condoned, and sponsoring venues should get an earful and a string of picketers on the sidewalk.  Knipp is talented - it is time for him to develop a new character.

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The Voice of Southern Poverty
Knipp could easily wash off the blackface and his character would be immitating million of Southern whites who live in poverty, without the benefit of quality education.

What many people don't realize is that the dialect Knipp immitates crosses racial lines.

Most of the performers who appeared in minstrel shows were whites from poor Southern families. They were quite familiar with the dialect because they grew up speaking a variation of it themselves.

Knipp's story about having a black caretaker (the familiar "Mammy" stereotype) is typical of minstrel show performers who attempted to hide their impoverished backgrounds. It is much more likely that Knipp grew up in a poor family and that his own parents spoke in a dialect very similar to the one he uses in his act.

If this is the case, Knipps act is indicative of shame and self-loathing in addition to the obvious racism.

It would be interesting to uncover the story of Knipp's upbringing. While he may represent himself as an upperclass Southern gentleman, his behavior is crude and unsophisticated. It is much more likely that he grew up in a trailer park (not that there's anything wrong with that).

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


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Yeah....
With you, Lurleen. You know that I normally head straight for this type of humor--the Strangers With Candy/Sarah Silverman, but this dude's taken the joke way past its prime. Like, funny for one or two shows and then done. Honestly, I thought it was quite some time ago, and we only spoke about it here as in hindsight. Guess I was wrong.

And to attack a critic? In that manner? Uuuuhmmmm, yeah, no. Tacky, classless, and talentless.

All about a new character.

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[ Parent ]
SQL
I had never heard of this performer before reading this post.  I can't see youtube videos at work but, I did listen to some of the audio feeds at www.banshirleyqliquor.typepad.com.  I was very surprised at what I heard.  I'm white and it was offensive to me, also.  Personally, I don't like "comedy" like that. He says some very hurtful, reprehensible things.
That being said, his act is in extremely poor taste, although it is not illegal.  He is allowed to do it.
On the other hand, people are free to organize boycotts and try to get clubs not to have his shows.  
Keep up the pressure and perhaps he will go away.

Pam really summed up the entire issue with this statement.

I personally don't think Knipp should be banned from performing. On the other hand, people have a right to contact venues and express their opinions about the quality of the programming that the establishment wants to be associated with.


uh...
"Keep up the pressure and perhaps he will go away."

Give him more attention and his audience will grow and he'll make more money. Every hit on YouTube is another reason for venues to book this guy.


[ Parent ]
What I said.
There is always that too, isn't there.  Kinda' sucks when there is no pat answer, doesn't it?  What should be done?  Should he be banned?  The clubs are free to book whomever they want.  
I suppose the government could ban all performances like this.  
Personally, I don't believe the government is my savior.  
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.  

[ Parent ]
Just like Imus
isn't doing the farm report now. Club owners don't like to book acts their customers find offensive. I really don't see this guy getting more gigs since people started speaking out. The opposite seems true.

According to his web site - he's down to doing novelty phone calls for cash. One person is a pretty small audience. That's a step below appearing at kids birthday parties.


[ Parent ]
My point
What you said is exactly my point.  He can have what ever act he wants.  People are exerting enough pressure on the club owners that it is beginning to affect his number of shows.
If these club owners are booking him, that must mean someone is watching his shows.
Yes he will get publicity from all this commotion.  I don't think it is going to be the kind that is good for a career.
As I said, keep the pressure up and it might just mean an end to his SQL character.   Sometimes, things don't happen overnight. I don't like that kind of comedy.  Its kinda' like Andrew Dice Clay was about a decade ago.  

[ Parent ]
SQL schedule - contact these venues in protest
click here for mor details on this schedule, and for clickable send-emails links.
March 01, 2008
Southern Decadence New Orleans - August 30, 2008
Southern Decadence is sponsored in part by Absolut, Gay.com, PlanetOut.com, and SiriusOutQ Satellite Radio.

The Bourbon Pub
801 Bourbon Street
New Orleans, LA
Phone: 504-524-3788
Fax: 504-524-2864
info@bourbonpub.com
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Backstreet Memphis
Charles Knipp has listed Backstreet Memphis as an upcoming booking without a date.  This club also booked him back in December of 2006.

Backstreet Memphis (A Gay Nightclub)
2018 Court Ave
Memphis, TN 38104
(901) 276-5522
mail@backstreetmemphis.com
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San Jose Gay Pride - June 14-15, 2008

San Jose Gay Pride
PMB 108
1346 The Alameda, Suite 7
San José, California 95126-5012

President, Annie Kretowicz
Vice President, Steven Cochrane
Festival Director, Gary Walker
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EXXXOTICA Miami Beach - April 17-18, 2008



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San Jose Pride
To: President@sanjosepride.com

Cc:VicePresident@sanjosepride.com, Secretary@sanjosepride.com, CFO@sanjosepride.com,CFO@sanjosepride.com, CommMarketing@sanjosepride.com, Events@sanjosepride.com, Festival@sanjosepride.com, Diversity@sanjosepride.com, local@mercurynews.com, pdelevett@mercurynews.com, dsatterfield@mercurynews.com

Re: Shirley Q. Liquor Performance at San Jose Pride

Dear Ms. Kretowicz,

I was outraged to learn that San Jose Pride has chosen to provide a venue for Charles Knipp and his racist minstrel show.

Charles Knipp performs in what is called "blackface" as Shirley Q. Liquor.

You can learn more about Knipp's act and the nationwide outrage over it here:

http://www.banshirleyqliquor.com/

Rest assured that if San Jose Pride does not cancel this racist, misogynist performance, there will be picketers at your event and the local press will be notified.

We will also be contacting your corporate sponsors to let them know that San Jose Pride is actively promoting a performance that is deeply offensive to African Americans and those with a concern for eliminating racial discrimination.

Sincerely,

Fritz J. Liess


When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
Oops!
Re:   Cancel Racist Blackface Show in San Jose!

Jasmyne Cannick:

I received an email today from a woman named Leslie that claims you have San Jose Pride on some sort of blacklist for hiring a racist performer.  I am Gary Walker and I am the Festival Director of San Jose Pride for the past 12 years.  I do ALL the booking.  Not only have I not booked this person, I don't even know who she / he is.

It would seem that if you are an activist in this area you would do your homework before adding any organization to some blacklist without even speaking to that groups Festival Director or Entertainment Booker.

If this is true I would appreciate being removed from this blacklist.

Regards,

Gary Walker
Gary Walker Productions
San Jose Pride 2008 Festival Director
408 505 1725

CC: Dennis Book, Esq.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
This is not about you Mr. Walker
I think what Mr. Walker should know is that there are MANY of us who are fighting to bring attention to the racist and harmful performance of Shirley Q. Liquor. He should know that not only has Jasmyne courageously and tirelessly led this fight for awhile now (yes, even with death threats), but also that there are many other Black, White, Gay, Straight, and different folks of all colors, shapes, and sizes who are working on this fight. For him to single out Jasmyne as personally blacklisting SJ Pride is unprofessional and irresponsible as a festival director of a national gay pride celebration.  By directing his negative letter to Jasmyne, the message that he is sending is that his hurt ego is more important than taking a professional and responsible stand against racism.

I believe that MR. Walker and SJ Pride have the responsibility to make a WRITTEN statement on their website that Shirley Q. Liquor is NOT performing or associated in any way with their pride celebration. They need to take a stand. It's simple.

It is also CLEAR that SQL is leading people to believe that she is performing at the festival. I just don't buy it that people are trying to argue that it's "vague". It's not.  SQL's exact wording on her website is:

"Coming for Gay Pride Week to San José, California!"

I believe that if you did a poll of 100 people, not knowing who SQL is, or the controversy around her, 99 of them would think that she is performing at the pride celebration. I will be contacting SJ Pride officials, including Mr. Walker asking them to make a statement and to do the right thing. I hope others do as well. I am grateful that Jasmyne has the courage to do what she does. She's an inspiration.
Randy C.  


[ Parent ]
What Bayard Rustin said:

"[T]he job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us. Our job is not to get those people sho  dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment."

--Bayard Rustin; From Montgomery to Stonewall (1986)



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[ Parent ]
I bet he loves the publicity
People like this feed on controvesy and the free publicity that it generates for them. Any attention is money in the bank for both sides.

I've only ever heard audio of Shirley Q. and while some of it was bit over the line, some of it was funny if you know the regionalisms. I didn't see it as being racist so much as classist and regionalist (she comes from east Texas, which might as well be Mississippi). In a lot of ways I think Shirley Q is not that far away from some of Tyler Perry's or Eddie Murphey's more colorful characters. And it's still okay to make fun of poor people from the backwoods, right? [snark]

And as far as black women who find it sadly amusing that people they've only spoken with on the phone are startled to discover their race.... well, that smacks of the Str8 acting gay guy or fem lesbian situation. It works to their advantage. They should be grateful that their parents gave them a conventional name. We all know about the studies that show equivalent resumes get varying numbers of interviews based on the ethnicity of the name. Happens here, happens in France, happens all over. I doubt many of those slightly startled white people behave like racists, they're just used to a world where even well-educated and well-spoken black people have names like Oprah or Condoleeza instead of Pamela or Catherine or even Shirley. Instead of being bitter about that "discovery" moment, why not view it as an a moment of opportunity that reminds people not to judge? Oh wait, being nonjudgemental doesn't make good blog fodder. Carry on! [snark]

I really believe that most of what we choose to label racism is really about social class. If a black person like Tyler Perry or Eddie Murphey did Shirley Q. Liquor it wouldn't be nearly as controversial. It's the blackface element that gets people interested. If the guy did the same jokes about poor white trash "Curleene Clinton" who lives in a trailer park outside Little Rock it would be just as (un)funny but nobody would pay him any attention. Ya gotta have a gimmick.


One more thing
I'd also like to point out that the first time I heard a Shirley Q. recording I had no idea it was a white guy. I assumed he was a black comedian because that's who I always see doing this kind of racial comedy (aside from Carlos Mencia).

[ Parent ]
Walk a mile in my shoes
I wonder if Mr. Knipp would be to willing to participate in some empathy exercises where you pretend to be a certain person, and then you describe -- as vividly as possible -- what you see out of that person's eyes, and what your thoughts and feelings are.

SQL is NOT playing at San Jose Pride - please correct this misinformation!
Fritz, thanks for posting the correction from Gary Walker regarding Jasmyne Cannick stating that SQL is performing AT SJ Pride. I'm an activist in the SJ area, and when I saw that on the site last night, I contacted our Pride Board. There is no truth to the idea that SQL has ever been booked for our actual Pride festival, but unfortunately, now that this is floating out there on the internets, it's taken on a life of its own.

The info Jasmyne had posted last night was taken from Knipp's SQL site, stating that he would be performing in SJ DURING Pride week, not specifically stating he would be performing AT the Pride festival.

I have contacted Jasmyne, asking her to remove the incorrect info, but last time I checked, she had not yet done so. It is most unfortunate that this info has been put out there, and also sent to our local media.

Most unfortunate...but I'll keep folks apprised of goings on here in San Jose regarding SQL.



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i would remove that part of my post above, but i cannot delete or edit posts.

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[ Parent ]
Performed at San Jose Improv in 2007
I've found out that Knipp performed at the San Jose Improv last year during Pride Week in San Jose.

I called the Improv and was told that Knipp is NOT booked for a show this year.

However, the man I spoke with said that the Improv's corporate office may have booked him to appear.

The flyer that Knipp is distributing reads, "Coming to Gay Pride San Jose." That is a misleading statement since he is NOT associated with San Jose Pride.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.


[ Parent ]
Shirley Q. Liquor is a part of bigger problem
Shirley Q. Liquor just underscores how lgbt communities of color are not necessarily given our due in the mainstream gay community.

People tend to forget that he is not just making fun of black women in general, but black lesbians, many of whom have children.

And you would be surprised how hypocritical people get about it. Down here in SC, I remember a gay white gentleman coming up to me and saying how dare I help to start a black pride because it "breeds separation."

However, it was that same gay white gentleman who I later saw reciting words in a club from a Shirley Q. Liquor album. Words that he knew by heart.


People
Why is it that people who have little talent or skill think that they can only make a living by denegrating, bashing, or poking fun at others?  This includes religio-political activists and organizations (AFA, LaBarbera), entertainers (such as the one mentioned here, plus other actors and commedians I could mention), politicians (no explanation needed), radio and talk show hosts (take your pick), etc. etc.

Why are these types of people not exposed for "being unable to make it the real world" or at least an imaginary world that doesn't include bigotry?    


Black Transwomen Don't Find SQL funny either
People tend to forget that he is not just making fun of black women in general, but black lesbians, many of whom have children.

And as an African-American transwoman, I don't find this new jack minstrel show funny either.  



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