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Has the Clinton team gone stark raving mad?

by: Pam Spaulding

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 23:30:00 PM EDT


For the life of me I just don't understand the thinking inside the Clinton campaign (and insided the heads of surrogates). Strong supporters of Clinton -- please clue me in; I don't know how the following news items today make any sense in terms of political strategy helpful to the candidate:

* Bill and Hillary continuing to promote the idea of a Clinton/Obama ticket with her at the top when she's behind in delegate count;

* Promoting the idea of Obama as VP after spending time and money on ads to convince voters he's not ready to answer the 3 AM phone call - why would she want someone she's declared unqualified on the ticket?

* The assertion by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson that somehow Obama could cross the imaginary 3AM-ready "threshhold" that Hillary has by the convention and thus be qualified for the VP slot.

More after the jump.

Pam Spaulding :: Has the Clinton team gone stark raving mad?
* And the latest misfire - Geraldine Ferraro, 1984 VP nominee, claiming Obama has only gotten as far as he has because he is black.
If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.
That one is pretty breathtaking on several levels, considering her selection as VP was most certainly due in part to the fact she is a woman.

In any case, using this particular line of thinking...

* If Clinton were a black man, Hillary would have been told to drop out of the race after losing 11 contests in a row, after all, John Edwards had to get out after losing only 3.

* If Obama were white, as it has already been noted elsewhere, he'd already be the nominee, because it's pretty clear that while there are blacks voting for him because of his race, there are certain demographic groups who didn't vote for him because he's black, and those are the Reagan Democrats that Hillary is chasing.

In any case, since he's biracial, does that factor into Ferraro's deluded thinking? What would happen, for instance, if Obama were not visibly identifiable as black (as in, he could pass), but identified as such -- does that make any difference in perceived advantage? It's crazy-making. DHinMI at DKos:

It's not a fringe belief.  It's at the heart of the belief system of the so-called Reagan Democrats-swing voters and even some Democrats who were cradle Democrats but defected to Reagan and have been up for grabs in most elections since 1992.  

Some of these Reagan Democrats will hear Ferraro's comment, and they'll think about the job they didn't get because, they believe, it went to an affirmative action hire.  They'll think about the guy promoted over them because, they believe, he's black.  And they'll think "here we go again."  

Believing African-Americans are affording unfair advantages certainly isn't a belief that prevents people from voting  Democratic.  In 2006, for instance, Michigan Democrats picked up offices and a weak Democratic governor won reelection, but at the same time 40% of Democrats voted to ban race from being a factor in state government hiring or university admissions.  

One can give Ferraro the benefit of the doubt, and assume that her comment was just a "slip of the tongue."  One can assume that the wife of Bill Clinton-the man from Hope known for his passionate desire to bring about racial reconciliation in America-would never hope to benefit from racist envy and distrust.

I suppose Obama has an advantage of some kind because his race has placed a target on his back by organized hate groups. Who wants that advantage?

I know there are a lot of white people who believe that blacks have some kind of advantage (and I hear from them on occasion, for those willing to step on the third rail), but somehow these folks choose not to see the incredible mountain of institutional and social white privilege that exists. The denial is deep; I mean really, would these folks like to trade places, to wake up and live as a black person for a month to put these perceived advantages in daily life to a test? To make it more interesting in this "post-racial world," have them live in a town with few minorities, perhaps one of those classic Reagan Democrat towns or a heartland neighborhood in Sally Kern's or Steve King's districts?

All of my professional life I've had to bear the burden of being "the first" (black woman) in so many of my jobs -- the world of publishing has always had a dearth of minorities -- and trust me, it's no fun. I was -- and am -- always aware that my performance could, fairly or unfairly, be a standard to prejudge other POC that would follow me in ways white job candidates don't have to worry about in competing for a position. I think many affirmative action efforts while laudable, should place additional focus not just on race (or any other oppressed minority or gender), and on socioeconomic opportunity. After all, a poor black kid who is achieving in spite of crap schools is certainly more disadvantaged than a child of upper middle class black parents, but they are often given the same weight if race is all that matters in that program.

Anyway, it's an interesting topic in the abstract -- the backlash effect of affirmative action (on whites and blacks), that is discussed in detail in Randall L. Kennedy's Sellout: The Politics of Racial Betrayal, a book I did a Firedoglake salon for last month, but living it, as we can see, results in yet another aspect of the third rail of race that few people are willing to put themselves out there to discuss their fears and issues with it openly.

Lobbing this grenade about so carelessly, as Ferraro did, does zero to help the party, let alone her preferred candidate.

***

Even former Clinton adviser and weasly consultant/columnist Dick Morris said last week that the continuing charade needs to come to an end.

Will Hillary win Pennsylvania? Who cares? Even if she were to sweep the remaining primaries and caucuses by 10 points, she would move just 60 votes closer to Obama's total of elected delegates. And she won't sweep them all. Even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania, the largest prize up for grabs, Obama will probably win North Carolina, which is almost as large. He's likely to win Mississippi and Wyoming and has a good shot in Oregon and Indiana. The most likely result of these coming contests is that Obama will be roughly where he is now, about 140 elected delegates ahead of Hillary.

Suppose that Hillary will carry those states by enough to offset Obama's delegate lead. The proportional representation system makes a knockout impossible and so mutes relatively narrow victories as to make them almost inconsequential.

And about the superdelegates?
Will the leaders of the Democratic Party be complicit in its destruction? Will they really kindle a civil war by denying the nomination to the man who won the most elected delegates? No way. They well understand that to do so would be to throw away the party's chances of victory and to stigmatize it among African-Americans and young people for the rest of their lives. The Democratic Party took 20 years to recover from the traumas of 1968 and it is not about to trigger a similar bloodletting this year.
I'm really trying to step back and look at this just based on the information at hand and exclude all the emotional sway due to the unique nature of this race.

If we change the names of these candidates to anonymize them without anything that might cue you to race or gender  -- oh hell, just make them two white guys since that's all we've ever had has president -- and you had one candidate, John Doe with an insurmountable delegate lead (but not enough to win), and the other, James Smith, who is running a fairly close second, but cannot win either without swaying superdelegates to go his way -- you'd have Gary Hart and Walter Mondale all over again.

Gary Hart, in fact, weighed in on this mess last week. Sigh.

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I am tired of it all,
  The fact that the Democratic Nomination has become the circus it is.  Forget it all.  

 And I will tell you this, given where I work and CNN is on for the viewing public, the comments are the same, it is turning people off.  

 The super delegates, the Florida / Michigan crap.  The 3 O'clock ads, the whole mess is turning people off.  

 The middle name crap and is Obama a muslim shit that was kept alive by a Hillary non-answer has made ripples in the pool.  (overheard a heated conversation at bennigans)  

 To many that would have voted forone or the other, the nominee, not going to happen if this keeps up.

  Looking like the ENDA outcome to me, and not enough to support the other that lost the arguement.


If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


Guess What?
Al Gore has kept his mouth shut for a reason.
He's smart and savvy and saw the handwriting on the wall as soon as this process began.
After watching Keith Olbermann's "special comments" segment last night I am convinced more than  ever that we progressives are going to have to look to the man who won once.
Al Gore supports our issues.  He has been vetted by a right wing smear machine that gave us George Bush over Al Gore in 2000.
That wouldn't happen to him again.
Start thinking outside the box and go to the Draft Al Gore website and take a peek.
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142

[ Parent ]
Maybe the Democratic primaries are just too long?
It would be a great thing if all the US states could just vote in the primaries (Dem, Repub., or other) on the same day. The president should just mandate that all states vote for primaries on Feb. 10th, or something.

It seems to me that part of the reason the primaries always become such a freaking circus, and end up creating rifts within parties that don't necessarily need to be there, is that they just go on so incredibly long. The longer the contest lasts, the more the competing candidates are nudged to "go negative" on each other, and the more likely that competition will turn into division or even hatred... among people who by all rights ought to be allies.


A horrible idea
If this scenario had happened this year, then Clinton and Giuliana would have been shoe ins.  The longer process gives voters a chance to really learn about the candidates, instead of just picking the one who is more popular.

As far as the topic goes, this really doesn't surprise me.  Many Clinton supporters have been saying the same thing as Ferraro.  We are really getting a chance to see people's real character.  If it's not Roseanne telling Obama he needs to stop tearing the party apart and bow down to Hillary, it's Gloria Steinem telling us that women have it worse than Black people.  

Now, it appears that Hillary will try to convince pledged delegates at the convention to cross over to her.  This is incredibly desperate and sad.


[ Parent ]
OK how about this
Have the votes on the same day, but mandate 3 debates in the months leading up to the vote. I really think there are ways to make sure that the public has a chance to learn people's characters, but also to keep parties from being torn apart by different factions, like now.

& I agree that some supporters of Clinton say some really stupid things.


[ Parent ]
I think they've lost track of reality
Why on earth do the Clintons believe that Obama would join their ticket when they're down in the delegate count? Because they think they'll win albeit by a very small margin at the convention and they're going to need what will then be Obama's disenfranchised supporters to win over McCain in the general and they would be right. On the other hand Obama does NOT need Clinton to win at all.

Never try to train a pig. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

The Clintons Are Stark, Raving...Machiavellian
It's no surprise to me that Hillary Clinton's campaign and surrogates are using a lot of racially coded (and not so coded) messages/images.  I think the hunger for power takes precedence over common decency.

Lest people forget, Bill Clinton's campaign in 1996 placed ads selling queers down the tubes on Christian radio in particular markets.  While I hardly ever agree with Andrew Sullivan on anything, this year I find myself in surprising agreement with him in terms of our support for Obama. He reminds us that the Clintons promise much, but are never averse to selling people out. Sullivan has the goods on this story:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...

Finally, I am sick to death of other white second wave feminists (I'm one, too) telling me that gender trumps race in this election.  That is a vapid, insulting, and absurd reductionist view.  See my co-authored guest post,"Backwater Breakfast: Pass (on) the Syrup, Please" on Suzanne Pharr's blog at http://suzannepharr.org


At this point
Ok, I voted for Clinton, but at this point, she needs to quit.

The "Obama can be my Veep" crap smells like "you can be my hired help."

Enough already. The longer this goes on, the greater my regret for voting for Clinton......  


I'm not sure I would want Obama to be my VP.....

You were smart to have voted for Hillary.

The Clinton campaign has not gone crazy at all. Obama has won a lot of of states and his largest victories have been in RED states which will vote RED in November.

The places where Obama has won will not help a democratic presidential candidate.


[ Parent ]
Right, but Hillary
is equally hated, by half the country. Somehow, for her supporters, that's a feature!

[ Parent ]
If
Dem's get our acts together, which I admit is rare, this will be a democratic election, it's almost guaranteed unless this really does go to the convention giving McCane and opportunity to solidy his support.

If I were Hillary, my preference for VP would be Edwards. But I don't know how politically wise that would be. It may be that Hillary's only poltical choice would be Obama. If I were Hillary, that wouldn't be a choice I'd feel comfortable with.


[ Parent ]
Your
arguement would hold more weight if:
1. The margin of victory for Clinton in so called Blue states were bigger than they actually have been.  
2. Obama's ability to appeal to independents and angry Republicans.
3. Obama's victories in swing states.

[ Parent ]
Okay then, what do YOU suggest for a response to the VP question?

Pam, you said that both the Clintons are promoting the idea of Obama as VP, but what you linked to did not support that premise.

Here was the only mention in the article you linked to, Senator Clinton saying:

"A lot of Democrats like us both and have been very hopeful that they wouldn't have to make a choice but obviously Democrats have to make a choice and I'm looking forward to getting the nomination," Clinton said Monday in Scranton, Pa. "And it's preliminary to talk about whoever might be on whose ticket."

What's "madness" about that?

Here's what I saw in a TV clip:  Somebody in the audience at a Clinton campaign speech yelled out something to the effect of why not have them both on the ticket?  Now stop right there, Pam.  What would be your response with the cameras rolling?  "No, no way"? or "That inexperienced, arrogant young man"?  I think not.

Clinton's response was to laugh and say with the kind of false bravado common to someone not in the lead something along the lines of:  who knows?  it just might happen.  (Sorry, I can't remember the exact quote.)

I ask you again, since many, many people who aren't in the Hate Hillary camp of the Democratic Party seem to think a combined ticket would be a smashing success - what do you suggest as a standard response for Senator Clinton when people keep bringing up this subject?  Come on, now, stop the breathless pot-stirring for just a moment and answer with a specific line that Senator Clinton could give during her stump speech when one of her supporters yells "Obama for VP" from the audience.  Anyone?


Pam, here's my take on this...
I think it's very obvious:

http://whitenoiseinsanity.word...

Ferraro, Babs Bush, and Rush Limbaugh are all neocons and even look alike. See? LOL


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