Chelsea Clinton partying at Portland's Red Dress Night

Party with gays--

--and have best friends who are gay, but don't support equal rights for gays.

It's so closeted 1950s.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:16:37 AM CDT

But does she?

We already know her mother doesn't support full inclusion for gays, but can the same be said about Chelsea?  Do we even know?

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by: SuburbanHomo @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:55:04 AM CDT

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Assuming she is there campaigning, Chelsea is her mother's surrogate

That means that, officially, her positions are the same as her mother's.

If she is actually "off the clock" and is not in Portland on campaign business, then her positions are her own. The thing is that she has not been public on her own views, making it difficult to tell where she personally stands on equal rights and other issues.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même merde.

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by: TechBear @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 08:01:55 AM CDT

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Surrogates

But look at the trouble both campaigns have had with surrogates who have had to be silenced or chastised or apologized for or smacked down or put into witness protection programs!

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:31:06 AM CDT

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and yet,

she did show with what the fundies will cal OUTRAGEOUSLY dressed and confused men, lol.  the only time i've seen obama with an out gay person was when he was on the hrc-logo debates, where it couldn't be avoided.

i don't put a lot of stock in such appearances either, but you must admit that someone and her staff has no fear being seen with lgbts, whereas someone else seems to have a history of avoiding being seen with us.  i see that chelsea even donned something red herself.  good for her!  chelsea clinton knows how to have fun while on the job!

Lurleen on Twitter

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by: Lurleen @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:22:39 AM CDT

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Optics

It's all for show.

And the show must go on.

I actually prefer Chelsea to either of her parents at this point.

Think of it--she's dodged sniper fire--at the age of eight!  Now that's foreign policy experience.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:28:49 AM CDT

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if it is all for show

then you must agree that there is reason that obama is never seen with out lgbt people:  he needs to show bigots that he does not stand with us.

Lurleen on Twitter

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by: Lurleen @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:35:28 AM CDT

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No, I mustn't agree

I'm saying that showing up or not showing up is immaterial to policy.

Clinton is just better at playing the game through surrogates and by herself.

Sorry to spoil your "Gotcha!"

:-)

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:21:33 PM CDT

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it wasn't a gotcha,

it was an attempt to get you to debate rather than try to change the subject.

i agree that showing up or not showing up may be immaterial to policy per se, but it does send a very loud message to the electorate.  we've talked a lot on this blog about government giving a lot of tacit approval for anti-lgbt violence, etc.  it is nice to see that at least clinton isn't playing into that.  on the contrary, clinton's message is "i'm as happy to campaign openly for queer votes as for votes of boilermaker drinkers, even before a major vote in a homophobic state." obama's message is "i am really uncomfortable with you people".  neither message may reflect their policy goals, but the vibe is picked up upon by people in general and can have local consequences.  in that way i think it is important.

Lurleen on Twitter

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by: Lurleen @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:40:43 PM CDT

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So disagreeing with you is changing the subject?

Well, that seems pretty clear, then.  It's an interesting rhetorical strategy you have.

I still don't agree that Clinton is any better on lgbt issues than Obama is; I don't see that in her record.

But I wouldn't vote for either of them based on lgbt issues first and foremost, anyway.  if that's changing the subject, so be it.


"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 13:41:54 PM CDT

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Most every one...

   of those are the flap I avoid on those "special occasions", where and when some men, and probably, mostly gay men, can don a female costume to make a mockery of femininity. Oh yea, they can't help dressing that way. What an aberration and a detriment to the course that would take us to an inclusive ENDA, these "goodwill" games. It seems that way, since to HRC, a majority of gay men and Congress think that's what we're all about, games, thanks to the "Drag Queens" for instilling such respect for our race in the gay sector with their "tomfoolery".   

i don't put a lot of stock in such appearances either

This is really educating Congress about Gender identity isn't it. I can't see the positive light for the glare.

someone else seems to have a history of avoiding being seen with us

Yes, I don't see any transexuals in that picture and other than rare occasions, besides your regular song and dance routines, it looks the same way in this photo that it does in most gay bars, no transsexual women.  

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 00:11:03 AM CDT

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And...

Does she actually support equal rights for men who have been photographed wearing red dresses?

You know...

men covered by 'gender identity' but not 'sexual orientation'?

I'm just askin'.

Kat

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 08:07:46 AM CDT

oh KatRose

You can't expect Chelsea to understand that nuance...there hasn't been enough educating done to make those claims. She is only there to get votes.  She shouldn't have to think about things like that.  

This is the appearances only zone.  No fair looking beneath the surface.  You will give America a headache.

lsughing out loud, as they say.  not.

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by: Patrick @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 08:32:55 AM CDT

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But what does.........

John Aravosis have in common with them?

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by: Kathleen @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:19:37 AM CDT

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it depends..

Each of those men should be asked how much they value their weiners.  If they are very much attached to their dingers and all the power that is implied in the hunk of flesh, then they can pass as men.

If they don't use their pee-pee to the fullest extent possible and in ways that Assaholis deems acceptable, then those men should not be considered equal, gay or covered by ENDA.

If assaholis isn't comfortable then none of us are.

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by: Patrick @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:46:09 AM CDT

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Just because

a candidate or a candidate's surrogate shows up at your event doesn't mean that candidate supports you. Hillary Clinton has a long history of campaigning to the GLBTI community and taking our money without delivering on any promises made. Yet many in our community refuse to see that and fawn over the Clintons whenever they appear and treat them like rock stars anyway.

Never try to train a pig. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

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by: cali_techie @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:04:05 AM CDT

Crown

All she needs now is a shot of Crown Royal.

Don't we all.  :-)

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by: konagod @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:13:17 AM CDT

I'll stick with Scottish single malts, thank you

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:29:46 AM CDT

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I second that.

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by: SuburbanHomo @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 13:09:44 PM CDT

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I'll third that.

Slainte!

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by: Rick @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 16:55:31 PM CDT

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Crown Royal

Wow!  Talk about a blast from the past.  It's been a long   since I had a high-end Royal Crown "whiskey sour", as long as ... well it's been long. ;-)
I need one now.

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by: Juan @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 19:58:07 PM CDT

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Waaaaay OT, but cool

If anyone here likes RPG's, you'd like Kingdom of Loathing.  It's a goofy fantasy MMORPG where you gain adventure points by eating junk food and drinking booze. I'm a 7th level Sauceror.  If you don't like puns beware KOL!

Electricity's for light bulbs!

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by: n8nyc @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 20:22:30 PM CDT

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An Adventurer is You!

I haven't played KOL in ages! I got a Pastamancer up to about 12th level, and then I started having network connectivity issues and I dropped it. You're tempting me to check back, though...

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by: Darkrose @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 20:29:15 PM CDT

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The Deep Fat Friars

are the group I'm assisting in my current quest.  My clan is The Gay and Lesbian Village. They seem like a nice group of people, very cordial. Right now, I'm "falling down drunk" for the evening. Gotta love rollover :)

Electricity's for light bulbs!

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by: n8nyc @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 21:36:31 PM CDT

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Where's Rudi?

This sounds like a perfect venue for Giuliani.  Though maybe red isn't his color...  

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by: Smartypants @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02:59 PM CDT

BTW

The Hebrew under the tattoo'd Star of David on that guy's arm is

Dodi li va'ani lo

I am my beloved's and he is mine

Sounds suspiciously like a marriage-related sentiment!  I wonder if Chelsea will be disavowed for associating with such a tattoo.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:28:53 PM CDT

Ok, I'll bite

It's really a shame that one of those big girls didn't have the balls to show up in a blue dress.

And btw Jenna and Barbara used to hang out at a gay bar a block from the Governor's mansion in Austin back when they were in HIGH SCHOOL. They had several gays back then. I wouldn't read anything into the child of a politician showing up at a gay bar.  

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by: vanitysmurf @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 13:30:26 PM CDT

odd

odd choice for politics, but hmm ok

http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com

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by: hippie4lyfe @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 13:31:36 PM CDT

Snark? Why?

This thread is quite disturbing.

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by: Pollyanna @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 14:24:43 PM CDT

....a thousan words?

In this case its worth at least 100,000!  Love the pic.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 19:01:13 PM CDT

...oops there it goes again.

Ok ... I will preview, I will preview, I will preview... this time.

Anyway just wanted to add Chelsea has never looked happier or more relaxed in any picture I have seen of her, just plain open and having a kick or two.

Imagine what Sally Kern would look like here? 

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 19:03:50 PM CDT

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priceless

Imagine what Sally Kern would look like here?

Now that is a photo I would pay to see! :)

If you want allies, you have to be an ally.

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by: dale @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 20:30:05 PM CDT

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Snark by proxy

How about a joke John McCain gave at a 1998 Senate fundraiser:

Q: Why is Chelesa Clinton so ugly?

A: Because Janet Reno is her father.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998...

I couldn't have made that up even if I had wanted - which I don't.    :(

If you want allies, you have to be an ally.

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by: dale @ Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 20:27:27 PM CDT