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What If Your Kid Is Gay? (Or Not?)

by: TerranceDC

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM EDT


It's a question posed to some parents, and especially — in one form or another — gay parents. I was asked this question during an interview with Slovenian television (of all things). The question got cut from our segment of the interview, which instead included a short clip of me talking about gender roles (or the lack thereof) in our household. But when I saw that Details magazine has tackled the question, it seemed like a good time to address it.

Of course, Details didn't ask this question of gay parents, but focused instead on heterosexual men. And not just any heterosexual men, but heterosexual men who have gay friends and are "okay" with gay people. To a point.

TerranceDC :: What If Your Kid Is Gay? (Or Not?)

Jerry (not his real name) is an unapologetic Hollywood liberal. He drives a Prius and supports Barack Obama. He's as open-minded about homosexuality as a fortyish heterosexual Little League dad can be. In fact, as someone who's responsible for the day-to-day operations of some of TV's biggest comedies, Jerry might as well be the mayor of Gayberry. "If I'm on a set and there are no gay people, I actually get worried," he says.

Geoff (not his real name) is the same way. A history professor and author in New York City, he is surrounded by a veritable gay army--his editor, his literary agent, his closest confidants ("Gay, gay, way gay," he says)--and that's the way the happily married 42-year-old father, whose idea of heaven is courtside Knicks seats, likes it.

But while Jerry, Geoff, and other progressive dads of their generation are more than happy to down margaritas and watch Project Runway with gay friends, they're not so comfortable with the idea of their own offspring going the way of Dumbledore. And only on the condition of anonymity will they elaborate on why, exactly.

"That," Geoff says after a pained sigh, "would be tricky." He explains that it was worrisome enough when his 6-year-old son watched the Hannah Montana movie recently "with a little too much glee." Jerry too has reckoned with the issue. When his son, now 8, was 3, "he made us buy him a princess costume for Halloween. I thought, Oh, shit. Here we go. But then we went to his friend Joshy's house, and Joshy said, 'You can't dress up as a girl.' At which point my kid threw Joshy to the ground. I thought, Okay, we're gonna be fine."

I wonder what answers they might have gotten if they'd asked gay dads. We get that question all the time, except it's asked a little differently, in a different context: Are you worried your child might turn out to be gay?

That's usually our cue to start quoting the research saying that most kids with gay parents turnout to be heterosexual. We're support to cite that research to allay some heterosexuals' anxieties which stem from another statistic: that children with gay parents maybe slightly more likely to "experiment" with same-sex relationships, or — more to the point — more fluid in their definition of gender roles and more tolerant in their attitudes towards non-heterosexual behavior. (Maybe it's because they don't learn homophobia at such an early age.)

So, when people ask me that question — "Do you think your kids will be more likely to turn out gay?" — I have a very simple answer.

I don't care.

It's immaterial to me whether my kids turn out to be gay, bisexual, heterosexual or transgender. What's important to me is that they turn out to good, responsible, compassionate people. They can be all of those things regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. As a parent, it's not my job to push them in one direction or the other. (As if I could even if I wanted to.)

I guess my approach is similar to what my first therapist said to me. Coming out at 12 years old led to a lot of bullying, which left me depressed, angry, and suicidal — all of which landed me in therapy. At my first appointment, I sat down and said to my therapist, "There are two things you need to know if we're going to work with each other. One is that I'm gay, and the other is that I'm not here to change that." Once he stopped being stunned at hearing this from a kid my age, he said to me probably the best thing anyone could have said to me at that time.

"Let's just work on the whole person, and let that part fall into place where it will."

And that's what I intend to do as a parent. Hell, that's my job as a parent.

But as a gay parent, I'm "supposed" to reassure people by saying something like "There's a 90% chance that my kid, and any other kid with gay parents, will grow up to be heterosexual." Because, the implication is, there's something wrong with being gay.

In other words, I'm supposed to think — somewhat like the dads in the Details article, who are alright with their gay friends — that being gay is OK for me but not for my kids. Oddly enough, unlike the dads in the Details article, I'm not supposed to want my kid to be like me.

This is where I think that the site where I found the link to the Details article got it wrong. (Though, given that it's written by the same guy who advocated biological warfare on queer fetuses , there's really no other way for him approach the subject.)

The men interviewed in this article also reveal the power of common grace -- a lingering shadow of moral conscience. The hesitation concerning their sons and homosexuality -- almost a panic -- is a subtle sign that they possess a moral knowledge that complicates their moral reasoning. They want to be okay with their sons and homosexuality -- they just can't.

Christian parents and Christian churches had better think ahead to this question -- What would you say if your son (or daughter) came out to you on the sin of homosexuality?

Those who believe (or say they believe) that homosexuality is not a sin can only respond with some form of what the world calls acceptance. But, as this article reveals, this is often a false acceptance.

Christians know that homosexuality is a sin -- that it is not the Creator's purpose for our sexuality. The Christian parent's response to the "coming out" of a child is surely shock and grief, but also an opportunity for grace and witness. At that point the child needs those Christian parents to be deeply Christian. We are indebted to Details for reminding us of that

I think they're leaving out something incredibly important and influential: our cultural concept of masculinity; and, specifically, the economy of masculinity that leads all the way from the playground to the boardroom and the battlefield (and points in between). Every father in that Details article knows his exact standing in that economy. He knows not only where he stands, but he knows where he wants other men to think he stands.

It's something John Stoltenberg distilled in his essay "Why I Stopped Trying to Be a Real Man."

So I got to thinking: If everyone trying to be a "real man" thinks there's someone else out there who has more manhood, then either some guy has more manhood than anybody-and he's got so much manhood he never has to prove it and it's never ever in doubt-or else manhood doesn't exist. It's just a sham and a delusion.

As I watched guys trying to prove their fantasy of manhood-by doing dirt to women, making fun of queers, putting down people of other religions and races-I realized they were doing something really negative to me too, because their fear and hatred of everything "nonmanly" was killing off something in me that I valued.

I think these men, and probably many men with sons, see or want to see their masculinity — or their ideal of masculinity — reflected in their sons. There's either a sense of anxiety that their sons won't be or relief when their sons turn out to be "all boy."

As his path of devastation moved into the kitchen, a young father leaned toward me with a flush of admiration in his voice and said, "He's all boy" He's all boy. I've heard that phrase a lot since then, and it always strikes me as a strange thing to say.

...What "he's all boy" really means is: Whew! This kid's not going to be one of those fragile pussy-willows who takes two hours to shave. Maybe everyone else is going soft, but our boyo's still got that Y chromosome roaring like a steam engine.

My guess is that in some part of themselves, the fathers in the Details article see their sons reflecting upon their own masculinity. And, for better or worse, homosexuality is seen as "nonmanly," to borrow a phrase from Stoltenberg. Each of them, to some degree, have lived their own personal memoir of masculinity. Consciously or not, their son's represent the next chapter, which is based — of course — on the first.

I'm guilty of it myself in a way, except that I mused about raising a "little gay boy" who'd have been a lot like me, up to and including playing with Barbie dolls. But this weekend, I watched Parker doing something I'd never have done as a boy: running joyfully up and down the court, playing basketball. I even went out on the court with him at first, and kicked a soccer ball around with him until he joined the other kids.

Sure, I had a brief flashback to my childhood, and the torment I experienced in phys. ed. (I caught myself wincing over my lack of athletic prowess, and hoping the other dad's weren't watching.) But, for the sake of being there for my son, I got over it. It wasn't until later that I remembered a scene from my own childhood.

I played with dolls. My sister's dolls; both baby dolls and Barbie dolls. It wasn't like I didn't have toys of my own, but I just preferred the dolls. My playing with dolls was the catalyst for the first time I remember getting the message (somewhat indirectly) that I wasn't measuring up in the masculinity department.

I was sitting in the middle of the family room playing with one of my sister's dolls, combing and styling its hair. My mom was a few yards away in the kitchen, and my dad was sitting behind me, on the couch, watching the television. He was also watching me, because from behind I heard him ask my mom "Should he be doing that?"; playing with a doll, that is.

The conversation continued as though I weren't in the room. My mom rationalized that I might have a daughter some day and that I'd have to know how to do her hair. So it was okay. Now that it was safely wrapped in a frame of presumed heterosexuality, I could continue playing with dolls. But the question had been posed, and the seed planted. Normal boys (who grow up to be real men) didn't play with dolls, as I enjoyed doing. Shortly after that, I was given a Ken doll and a G.I. Joe. I promptly stripped off their clothes was very disappointed with what I found or -- more precisely -- didn't find.

That's who I was. That's who I am. But my son is who he is. As a parent, it's my job to nurture that. It's my job to protect that. It's my job to help him become his best self, not to determine for him what that self should be.

I know all too well the hostility directed at kids who don't conform with gender norms or compulsory heterosexuality. If either of my sons turned out to be LGBT, I'd want the to know about that, and to know that I will stand by them and stand up for them without reservation or hesitation. When Parker was just shy of a year old, his birth mother wrote and told us why she chose us as his adoptive parents. She said thought because we were gay and an interracial couple that we had "overcome prejudice and discrimination" (her words, not mine) and that we were best equipped to help him do the same. Whatever he grows up to be, whomever he happens to lo love, that's exactly what I will do. The same goes for Dylan, our four-month-old.

What I want is, as clichéd as it sounds, for them to be happy. I want them to be healthy, and live their lives in a way that harms neither themselves or others. I want them to be able to stand on their own two feet. I want them to be able to take care of themselves, to care for others, and to try and leave the world a little better than they found it.

There's nothing in all of that requiring them to be anything other than who they are. Which is just what they ought to be.

Crossposted from The Republic of T.

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This is NIMBY to a T
I always reserve a little understanding for parents who don't want an LGBT child because of the social stigma they have to face, but unfortunately usually when you dig a little further, you often find people have more deep-seeded prejudices against LGBT people fueling that attitude.

When people ask me that question,
I tell them I don't care if they're gay or straight, as long as they're not Republicans.

Hey is that Naperville IL?
My dad said he was thinking of things he could say to my relatives if they found out or asked if I was gay.  He said he would say, "At least he didn't come out as a Republican."  That was like the first truly positive thing I heard him say about it.  It was also in defense of me.  I laughed and laughed and loved him for that.

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Hey is that Naperville IL?
My dad said he was thinking of things he could say to my relatives if they found out or asked if I was gay.  He said he would say, "At least he didn't come out as a Republican."  That was like the first truly positive thing I heard him say about it.  It was also in defense of me.  I laughed and laughed and loved him for that.

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Grace?
The Christian parent's response to the "coming out" of a child is surely shock and grief, but also an opportunity for grace and witness

I guess if by witness, he means my cousin being told that he will burn in hell by his own grandmother... Good Christian values there.

What ever happened to "Give me the strength to accept the things I cannot change?"

If someone asked me that question my response would have to be "I don't care what he/she is as long as he/she is not a bigot."

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka


my Mom pretty much knew I was gay
when I was young, she never stopped hammering home this "subtle" message:

"I don't care who you love, so long as they treat you with respect.  They can be black, white, pink, green, or purple, I don't care.  I just want you to be happy, and whoever you're with better not be beating on you!"

Notice the gender neutral words like "they" and "whoever".  

She also made sure she said this to my brother, and in front of other family members.

Our family has a history of racism, so I always assumed it was about race, not sexuality.  But when I Came Out to myself, I remembered her little speech and how it never made mention of girls, wives, girlfriends.  I figured either she was going to regret not being more specific, --or-- that she had actually left gender out of the equation by design.


I didn't even have to play with dolls ...
... to get this treatment from my father. My sin of non-manliness was that I read too much. I was always reading, and I didn't enjoy playing ball with my dad, so he started calling me sissy boy and things like that. It was clear to me, even as a 7 year old, that my lack of interest in athletics was perceived by my dad to be an insult to him -- his manliness was threatened by my perceived lack of the same. Pathetic, but true.  

I think...
You've done a splendid job of touching on the complexity of parents' projections onto their children.  I don't have children (yet), but in conversations with friends with kids, and with my mom, I've learned that ALL parents project some sort of image onto their kids...ALL parents, when their kids are young, engage in the game of imagining what their child's life might be, what they might achieve, and I think all parents are guilty (if that's even the right word) of being a little too specific in their projections sometimes.  Things my mom has told me about what she started to imagine when I started playing piano at 3 1/2...I was like "wow, I was a toddler and you were thinking that???"

I think, with the dads in the Details article, if one of their sons was gay, they'd probably "get on board," so to speak.  It's just something that hadn't really occurred to them in their own projections.  Parents always want A. a better life for their kids than they have, and B. to identify with their children.  So I think that, in sharing the fact that you, yourself, have had thoughts of having a gay son, you've shown just another way that gay parents are just like straight parents are just like all parents who love their kids and want the best for them.  And life, inevitably, throws curveballs, and those "projections" will change with the circumstances, but as long as parents are approaching it from the vantage point of the best interests of their kids, then I think things are on the right track.

On a more specific note, I have friends who are in their mid-40's, very accepting, etc., and they have teenagers.  One of the kids is in the process of dealing with his sexuality - Mom knows, Dad suspects, and I've talked, in very general terms (without betraying the kid's confidence, obviously) with the Dad about the prospect of having a gay kid...I think more than anything, for him, it's jarring.  Having that discussion, you can almost watch in real-time as certain parts of that parents' dream are dying.  At the same time, I know the Dad will be okay.  The biggest fear he relayed to me was something to the effect of "He [his son] is already so talented, intelligent....all the things I'm not!  I just want to be able to relate to him."  I just told him that as long as everybody's being honest and approaching each other with love, it'll all get figured out, and it'll all be okay.

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So Right
I was a bit appalled that Details didn't think to actually interview any liberal Dads of actual gay sons, who could talk about their own process in dropping those projections and loving their children for who they are. Heck, my Dad isn't even that liberal, and I don't think he's thrilled I'm gay, but he accepts it is part of me. I don't think he sees it as a reflection on his parenting, as he told me my parents knew when I was five (and tried a lot of "masculinizing" activities during the subsequent years) and he also admitted to my sister that he didn't remember us as toddlers (he worked nights a lot then). Of course, I came out at 33, long after whatever projections he and Ma had would have been replaced by the reality of my life.

It is interesting, though, that I've seen my own brother-in-law go through this process with my soon-to-be eleven nephew. He wanted a Barbie Doll at age 3, an Eazy-Bake Oven at age 5, hated playing football because he didn't understand why he should hit people he wasn't mad at, is very sensitive and artistic - you get the picture. His Dad was fine with me being gay, but your wife's brother is a lot different than your first-born child.

He struggled for a long time with the possibility, and I remember well one Christmas when he, while we were playing pool at 2AM, blurted out "I think you want my kid to be gay," and I answered "Yes I do, but not for any sick, twisted reasons." I then when on to describe how I'd like to have a close relative who was like me - how I hate it when I'm "the only one in the room." My brother-in-law is Puerto Rican, so understands what it means to be different and operating in a culture not quite your own.

That was probably 5 years ago, and his attitude has completely changed - which was probably helped by my younger nephew's being a totally stereotypical boy. He and my sister both realize that their children are their own people - they can't change the boys' personalities any more than they can change their eye color. Now their only goal is to ensure both boys have happy lives, based on their individual talents and strengths.  


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what lucky kids
TerranceDC, your kids are SO lucky, and the parents interviewed are doing their sons (and daughters) a great disservice. I'm a straight ally with no kids, so it's not fair for me to diss those dads. But I wholeheartedly applaud your parenting style. That hypermasculinity cycle described by Stoltenberg damages everyone--male, female, trans.  

These homophobic pricks...
...won't even own up to their contempt for gay people; they're too busy congratulating themselves on how liberal they are.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

that was my first
thought too, or pretty close to it.  I'd love to tell those guys that I'm not here for their entertainment and I'm sure as hell not here so that they can feel or appear enlightened.
 

Electricity's for light bulbs!

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Love the answer, "I don't care."


I've heard...
Some kids tell their parents they are gay just to upset them when they don't get their way.  Kinda funny.

Just beautiful!
TerranceDC, what you have expressed is beautiful. I agree with others that your children are very lucky. So are your readers.

As a mom of four daughters, I have given the same answer you do. Their father is a seriously damaged example of that hyper-masculine mindset. After more than 20 years with him, I believe he is a repressed, self-loathing gay man. (Yeah figures he'd end up with a lesbian!) His efforts to meet his ex-military father's expectations helped turn him into an angry, bitter, abusive person. It's a tragic heritage we end up passing on to our kids.

Those "liberal" dads most likely also suffer from the parental competition that starts from day one: "Our kid sleeps through the night already. Does yours?" And on and on. Their inner turmoil is less related to some innate morality than it is to fear of having non-conformist -- or somehow under-performing -- offspring.

Our 12-year old asked me a couple of years ago if I would "hate her" if she didn't grow up to be a lesbian too! I assured her that I will never hate her for anything. And that I didn't care about that, and listed for her the same qualities you listed for your children. I also told her that it took me 40 years to accept who I am, and I just hope it doesn't take her nearly as long to be fully okay with herself!


We also need girls in princess outfits throwing kung-fu kicks,
boys in typical boy clothes fooling with costume bling, and general rebellion against the adult-taught and child-enforced conformity in all things.

Kind of funny
I went to a birthday party long ago where one mother had dressed her fraternal twins in opposite gender clothes. The little boy was all pink ruffles, the girl in boy's pants & shirt. She looked at all us other parents in hostile defiance -- "Go ahead. Call me on it. Make my day!"

A twist on the usual parental imposing of gender roles. It's not like the children made the choice! I felt bad for them, mainly because their mom had so much obvious hostility and contempt for people. (That conclusion not based on her choice of apparel for her children either. It was evident in any contact with her.)


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I agree
I overheard my co-worker (mother of one, and expecting a second) talking to my boss about gender issues. She was going on about how her daughter would not wear blue, because she refused to raise a tomboy. My boss was telling her how his son wants to wear high heels and put bows in his hair, and when asked what he wants to be he replies, "A cheerleader" My boss said, "He'll grow out of it." I wanted to scream.

My niece loves to wear fancy dresses, and the costume jewellery. Then she'll knock the snot out of anyone who doesn't agree that she's the prettiest. LOL

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka


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I do a bit
sometimes about how when I was a kid and was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, my answer was "Pretty!"  In actuality, it's not just a bit, it's true.

and now I am! :)


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That's my little girl!
She'll be 7 in a month.  She loves "girly" stuff: pretty clothes and shoes and such.  She skateboards and snowboards.  She plays basketball.  She's got 3 gold medals and 1 bronze from kicking ass in karate tournaments.

My only apprehension about one of my kids coming out as LGBT  is my knee-jerk parental reaction of wanting to protect them from society's negative reaction to them being LGBT.  For me personally, all I care about is that they're happy with themselves.  Whoever else is in the equation (or how they're dressed) is up to them.


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...so at three he throws the other kid to the ground.

At 14 the other kid brings a gun back to school and kills him!!!  Anybody out there remember LAWRENCE KING???  This dad would say it was fine and would have supplied the gun.  

You may not have lived when there were KKK lynchings and cross burnings but that is what these Xtian Fascists are advocating.

Friday could be one ugly day around many parts of the country. As many gay and gay-friendly children get riciculed and bullied.. possibly beaten and killed, just by silently asking people not to do it.

Now here we are with its okay to bash gays... especially if they are your son??!!What is with this? It is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. 



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It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
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my Brothers and my Sisters
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Terrance, I Share Your Philosophy
My husband and I have a 5 3/4 year old son and 2 1/2 year old daughter. Our hope for them is that their individual personalities will flourish and that they will grow up to become kind, generous and caring adults who, as you said, try to leave the world a better place than they found it. It is interesting (and sometimes maddening) to watch the social pressures that come from so many different directions regarding how boys and girls are to act. Our daughter has an electric personality, is a lot of fun and very smart but the first thing many people say to her is "Are you a pretty girl" or "How is the little princess today?" They tell my son how tough he is. If he misbehaves, it is because he is "all boy", while if my daughter misbehaves it is because of the "terrible twos". These social cues often seem to be more powerful than anything we say or do. My son was arguing that women should not be doctors, because that's a "man's" job, even though he has had female physicians. When my daughter--who came home to us when she was one day old -- fell recently she started crying "I want mommy" because that is what she hears all the other kids saying when they are hurt.

TerranceDC, you AMAZE me!
As a gay man, husband and father and Buddhist Christian I have always been a HUGE fan of your website and commentaries but I think that this one is one of the very BEST yet.  I can't believe how much we think alike and how much our experiences mirror each other.

I have had the same question asked of me at least a thousand times.  The only other question that I am asked as often is, "Do you really think you can raise a healthy, happy, well adjusted child without a MOTHER?"  The first question is offensive to me as a gay man; the second is offensive to me as a man and as a father.

When I'm asked the "what if he turns out gay" question I answer in the exact same way you do.  I simply say, "it really doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you as long as he turns out happy, healthy, kind and compassionate".

Frankly, I personally find that I get more guff from people about my being a parent based on sexism and gender bias than I do based on the fact that I'm gay.  People have a MAJOR issue with gay or single men having children and raising them without a mother/woman in a primary role.

When my sone was younger I would actually have people ask him, with me standing right their, "where is your mommy?".  I had teachers chastise my son for saying that he had two dads and no mother telling him, "EVERY child has a mother".

Contrary to what people may say, there is quite a bit of anti-male gender bias out there; especially against men who don't play by the rules.

This commentary was brilliant and beautifully written.

You are TRULY a hero of mine.


A couple more things...
It was my mother and not my father that pushed and pushed and pushed with the gender role conformance.  He was much more live and let live but my mother demanded that her boys be not only masculine but over the top in our masculine expression.  We were taught that our whole purpose for existence as males was to grow up, get really good jobs, make lots of money, and then do our duty to marry women and have children, all of whom we would have the honor and privilege of protecting, providing for and exclusively supporting financially.  My mother taught us that it was a man's duty and privilege to be able to bow and scrape pampering a woman and that any man who didn't do these things was no man.  That didn't appeal to me in any way.  I think I would have found it to be degrading and offensive even if I had been straight but my brother took it all to heart and played the part to a tee.  He's also a miserable and angry man.  So the gender role propaganda machine certainly isn't exclusive to men or fathers.

The other thing that I would like to point out is another reason why these fathers in Hollywood may have reacted negatively to the idea that their own sons might be gay.  As some have pointed out above, it's about the natural expectations and desire for the "best" that all good parents have for their children.  Everything in our culture and society says that gay people are less happy and more troubled that straight people.  People are taught that being gay precludes a person from having a lifelong fulfilling relationships, spouse, children and family (ESPECIALLY when it comes to gay men).  Sadly, the gay community itself often promotes these misconceptions.  I can't believe how many gay men believe that being gay precludes them from being fathers; even gay men who have, or had, dreams of being a father.  So when these fathers consider that their son might experience all the horrible things that our society and culture tell them is "typical" for the life of a gay person and when they automatically assume that being gay will preclude their sons of having lasting relationships with children (their grandchildren) it's no wonder that they don't jump for joy at the thought of having a gay son.  I know gay and lesbian parents who have the same misgivings that these straight fathers do about having a gay child.  It's unfair to attack these fathers when even gay parents have all too often bought into these misconceptions about what future a gay child could possibly have.  Additionally, beyond the misconceptions, we can't deny that the world is still a real shitty place for gay people, as compared to straight people.  What parent wouldn't want their child to avoid the hate, inequity and oppression that gay people face in the world today?


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My kid is gay
We suspected from about the age of 11, and then she came out just before her 13th birthday, when she found out I was bisexual.

Her father had a lot of issues to process, being a fundamentalist Christian. PFLAG helped a lot.

My first reaction was support. My second was warning (we live in the South). And the warnings I gave were totally insufficient to what she ended up facing.

She's 16 now, and very well adjusted. She dates boys and girls with equal aplomb.

No one ever talks about [extermination]. They just do it. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then, one day, when the air is still and the night has fallen, they come for you.


random off-topic...
have you posted somewhere else i've posted, like a long time ago?

i recognize your handle.

http://breakthterror.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
Hiya
Yes.
The Memphis Commercial Appeal forums and LiveJournal.
You're still on my friends'list at LJ.

No one ever talks about [extermination]. They just do it. And you go on with your lives, ignoring the signs all around you. And then, one day, when the air is still and the night has fallen, they come for you.

[ Parent ]
haha
i was wracking my brain, to no avail, trying to remember where i used to post...

totally forgot i used to have a Live Journal and whatnot...

oh, and those CA forums.  that was nuts.

http://breakthterror.blogspot.com


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