Reality bites for Christian Civic League of Maine's Mike Heath

Help me out here

So, what does he mean by:

The root idea of so-called same sex marriage is special rights for citizens on the basis of sexual wrongdoing. That is where the fight must be engaged.

I see - no marriage rights for people who are guilty of 'sexual wrongdoing'.   I would assume that adultery would be in the catalogue of 'sexual wrongdoing'?  Consequently that would mean annulling all marriages, where one cheated on the other?  I guess he already called Haggart, Craig, everyone else here, and about 20-30% of the American population?  Sounds like the right move!

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by: rupi3000 @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:35:17 AM CDT

To be fair...

...their view would be that no one should get a "special" adultery marriage.

The amazing thing is how twisted their underwear gets over people doing something that does not affect them. They have to come up with tortured meta logic to argue there is some deleterious effect.

In the end, these folks are nothing but overblown tattletales. Moooooooooooooom!!!!!!! Bobby ate TWO cookies instead of ONE!   Moooooooooooooom!!!!!!! Debbie is brushing her teeth the wrong way! Moooooooooooooom!!!!!!! Adam was kissing Steve!

Grow up and take care of your own family, people.

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by: cindik @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:43:09 AM CDT

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...I realize you are a sweet

(even if transplanted) Southern lady now, but Jeremy would have called them on the 'promotion of homosexual behavior'. He often reminds them that he doesn't just promote it  nor doe he need to practice it.. he just does it, does it well  and loves it.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:41:31 AM CDT

actually, I'm a native Southerner

I was born in NC, lived in NY for quite some time, then moved back here in '89.

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:57:25 AM CDT

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Clothing.

If we're such a disciplined movement, I can't wait to get my fabulous uniform. Then I can wear it to Gay Day at Disney World and chant "Today Disney World, Tomorrow the Whole World! Bwahahahaha!!!!"

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by: guspup @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:44:41 AM CDT

Not to mention...

...after we destroy heterosexual marriage, we'll ban heterosexual marriage, and then REQUIRE EVERYONE TO MARRY SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX, DESTROYING SOCIETY FOREVER!!!!!

and then we'll break for lunch.

Note to humor-challenged fundies: the above is sarcasm. please see http://www.merriam-webster.com...

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by: cindik @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:52:21 AM CDT

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But

It is a small world, after all...

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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by: belfrieboi @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:25:58 PM CDT

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Well, the Dominionist Civic League should certain know a lot about being

a weed in the lawn of a democratic country. After all, their special arrogance and self-assigned claim to be the official spokesmodel for "Christians" is about the height of deception.
Their professed "religious" choices include an absolute dedication to a patriarchy based on a class system that supports dictatorship from the pulpit and punishment for not being of their "religious" persuasion. They ain't called representatives of the American Taliban for nothin'.

Whenever these clowns feel discriminated against, they rush to their cabal of con-artist con-servative "legal" organizations  created by the televangelista empire to "protect their constitutional rights" - which, in their mind, includes the right to persecute others for choosing their own religious beliefs in this so-called free country. Just imagine their indignation if there were constitutional amendments being circulated for signatures banning members of THEIR organization from marriage - after all, their "religious" choices aren't innate and can be changed, can't they?

If the gays were such nasty weeds in the lawn of civilization, we would have long ago established our own little "ex-dominionist" organizations, bullying parents through deception and false promises for their suspect fundie children and sending them through reform and reeducation programs. It sure seems to me that the only people advocating special rights are the dominionists, who contend their right to choose a religious belief that demands they persecute other constitutionally-protected American citizens rises above the rights of all other citizens. Ya can't get any more arrogant than that, sisters and brothers.

 

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by: kevinbgoode @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:52:14 AM CDT

All of this has happened before...

It has been done before , Kevin

A secular state, tolerant of gays and lesbians, noted for its' learning and enlightened leadership that encouraged new ideas in the arts, sciences and literature was seduced by mediaval concepts and led into a nightmare by a religious fundamentalist who burned gays at the stake, burned the last known copy of Sappho's poetry, destroyed books, art and anything that smacked of secularism, ruling with an iron hand.

The state: Florence, centre of the Renaissance
The Fundamentalist:Girolamo Savonarola
The target: The Medici's secular state and their support of the Renaissance
His Allies: The Catholic Church til Savonarola demanded reforms in the Church
The years:1494-98
The Symbols: The Bonfires of the Vanities
The End: He died where, through fire, he had attempted to burn away the sin of sodomy by executing gays and attempted to extinguish the Renaissance by burning art, books and jewelry...

There is a movement to canonize him now...

"Florence was looking for heaven and instead became a vision of hell"
(Comment on Savonarola's rule)

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Sat May 17, 2008 at 21:29:39 PM CDT

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Badly as he wants to..

I wouldn't let him touch my root for a million bucks. Pam, you need a shot of "Mr. Playtown Hair" to go with your visualizations of Hartline and LaBarbera. There used to be one on the site but I can't find it now. I'll keep looking.

Check this out:
http://www.cclmaine.org/artman...

The pastors on Mike's crew attend a "Watchmen On The Walls" meeting, the violent hate-group reported on at BTB.

From the CCL Public Policy page:

We believe in the principle of equal protection of the law.  We, therefore oppose all discrimination on the basis of race, creed, nationality, gender or religion.  We support all reasonable and effective anti-discrimination laws necessary to insure equality of rights for every citizen.  We condemn every form of racism, bigotry, or hatred directed against any person or group.

(cough-cough)

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by: jackalope @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:01:38 AM CDT

Plastic Pics

This is the one that used to be on the site:
http://business.mainetoday.com...
And Hein too if you like:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.file...
They have yours up, after all.

Best of all I came across this bit of scandal from the past in my search:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/w...

This is how Mike Heath pulls weeds.

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by: jackalope @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:16:33 AM CDT

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Ah

the smell of McCarthyism... never grows old, does it?

Heath gives assholes a bad name.

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by: Louise @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:24:15 AM CDT

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Ah yes, the Christian viewpoint

Where "attacking", "destroying", and "fighting" are the loving things to do.

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by: Rae @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:08:15 AM CDT

Scoops

I especially enjoyed the part about "with Christians barricaded behind doors."

Makes a good visual, sort of like Soylant Green's "The scoops are coming!  The scoops are coming!"

   

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by: dr haber @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:35:57 AM CDT

yeah, really.

Every Gay Rights Rally I have been to have been very reminiscent of Sodom and Gomorrah. Freakin' Gays have been DEMANDING that the crinkies behind the doors throw out someone to rape.  Yup, ever single one of them.

riiiiiiight.

What planet are these guys from?

BTW, Clue to Mr. Heath-bar:  The S & G crowd were HETEROSEXUALS!!!!!!!

Just goes to show what happens when someone tries to think without using the brain.

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by: SharonB @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:49:11 AM CDT

What a day

to take kid #1 to the dentist in Augusta- had I known, oh the fun I could have had!!!But noooo...

I swear the mole isn't me, btw- it's such a nice and shiny toaster I've hate to forfeit it. ;)

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by: Louise @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:50:20 AM CDT

On way back to school

she and I spoke about some pretty yarn I bought; I told her I was going to make a baby blanket. When she asked who, I explained that this was a new friend I had met via blogs and that my friend and her partner were going to try to have a baby. She picked right up on the phrasing- we discussed the "how", about the California ruling yesterday, and how happy I am for my friend and many others. Then my 13 year old surprised me and I surprised her back.

She asked me how I would feel if she were to find herself attracted and wanting to date a woman someday.

So I pulled over, shut off the car, and we had a very long talk. As I told her, she is a smart girl and I know that whomever she chooses to care about and love will be a friend first and a kind, nice person with a good heart like her own- someone who values her and who will deserve and want the same treatment. And that I would be completely supportive of them and the relationship, as long as they were fair and good to each other.

That surprised her- she really didn't know I felt that way. But as I told her, I love her father very, very much- if she had that kind of strong and loving relationship with another person, why on Earth would I object? And what right would I have to object?

But I went on to talk about the current but hopefully changing atmosphere of hostility they potentially could face, including within her state (like Heath et al) and within her family- some of her own relatives would not be okay with it. But that would be their problem- not hers.  

It was an eye-opening conversation for both of us. I asked her if this was a hypothetical or if she was currently attracted to a friend; she says hypothetical. But she now knows exactly how Dad and Mom feel, and that she has our unconditional love and support.

 

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by: Louise @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:17:03 AM CDT

That's the way it's done.

The anti-gay belief of course, is that your child's sexuality is so fragile and mutable, that the mere suggestion is all it takes to turn her into a lesbian.
The reality is that you have provided her with a shining proof of your love for her, in the face of whatever other influences are coloring her opinion of the subject. That is what she will remember and take away from it, no matter what her truth turns out to be. Beautifully done.

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by: jackalope @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:40:06 AM CDT

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Dammit

you made me cry. How the hell am I ever going to be a toughie at this rate?

Here's the thing and I'll be honest here. Before our kids were born, I don't know that I would have been able to say about our future kids that "it's okay if they're gay". So I don't know if it's a measure of gained knowledge/life, a deep love for our kids, or a combination of the two.

But somewhere along the line, something in me rejected not just the bigotry I was raised with and rejected on a surface level as a teen, but rejected bigotry within my family and myself.  


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by: Louise @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:55:25 AM CDT

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One order of Calamine for Mikey!

"We must attack this problem at its root. If you want to get rid of a weed you don't pull off the leaves. You destroy the root. The root idea of so-called same sex marriage is special rights for citizens on the basis of sexual wrongdoing. That is where the fight must be engaged."

So if "special rights" are eliminated for LGBT's, all of us will just go away.  Or, in Mikey's thinking, will die off because our "root" has been destroyed.

**Newsflash Mike**

A groups rights are in place because of the group's existence.  Their existence isn't contingent on whether the rights exist or not.

Even if not a single right existed for LGBT's and we were forced "underground" (which I'm sure Mike and Co. would like nothing better), we'd still exist.

The hard truth is Mikey that we're not going anywhere and we'll just keep on giving your type "weed poisoning" complete with an itchy rash and making your life an absolute Hell!
 

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by: Jon Michaels @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:07:11 PM CDT

"Uncaring, unloving, judgmental, and hateful"

What exactly should we call a person whose political vision includes preventing gay couples access to the "privilege" of insurance?

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 13:56:59 PM CDT

Republican?

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by: dcguy202 @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 14:42:10 PM CDT

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Touche' dcguy!

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by: Jon Michaels @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 16:22:50 PM CDT

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Christians routinely call for our execution

Comment like this one (uprated by other readers) aren't difficult to find at sites like ChristianPost.com:

It is fine for non Christians to believe in the seperation of Church and state, but any Christian who has read the Bible will see the stories of Kings who called Israel to repentance, and saw to it that the wicked, idolators fornicators and temple prostitutes (homosexuals) were iether executed or exiled.

At other times the priest hood would call the king of Israel to order, which brought about a reformation in Israel. The two have their distict responsibilities, the Church has excommunication as a means of discipline, and the state has the right to exercise capital punishment. And while the people worship the one true GOD as scripture requires the nation knows GOD's blessing.

...uncaring, unloving, judgmental, and hateful...

Mike, you left out superstitious, ignorant, and brutal.

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by: Sportin' Life @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 14:58:40 PM CDT

origins of gay movement

I had no idea that the origins of the gay movement went all the way back to sodom and gomorrah!!! Hmmmmm, that page must be missing from my old testament.... Oy vey!

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by: zythyra @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 15:16:17 PM CDT

From WCSH/ NBC in Maine

Election officials say they expect to give the Christian Civic League of Maine the go-ahead next week to start a petition drive aimed at sending the proposal to the Legislature no sooner than November 2009.

The repeal effort would then likely be decided by Maine voters.

The civic league's proposal would repeal Maine's law protecting gays and lesbians from discrimination. It would reaffirm Maine's prohibition of same-sex marriage. It also would bar clerks from issuing marriage licenses to persons of the same sex, and bar municipalities from licensing civil unions.

To be continued...

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by: Louise @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 16:17:44 PM CDT

"The Homosexual Agenda" is a fabricated book by the Right.

The gay rights movement, contrary to common belief, is not a new phenomenon. The first gay rights movement of which we have a record was the social upheaval in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Bible scholars have pointed out that the events in Sodom and Gomorrah have many parallels in modern times, and these include the tumultuous gatherings of vocal advocates of homosexuality and an insistence on imposing one's views on others. Recent demonstrations in major American cities, with Christians barricaded behind doors, while crowds of unruly "gay" activists protested in the streets, are very reminiscent of the Biblical account of the events in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

The Gay Rights Movement had originated in the mid-20th century.  The act of making different kinds of people uncomfortable (like what the "Christian" Civic League is doing) originated in Sodom and Gomorrah.  Like the two mentioned cities, the CCL is going down.

The problem we face today:
-We are an ignorant elistist group who are trying to prevent nonconformists from being equal to us.
-We actually don't know the meaning of "politically incorrect".  We just play that card so it won't make us look stupid and ignorant.
-The government isn't bowing down to us only.
-We are afraid that Wayne Besen and Pam Spaulding will expose us.  That's why we retaliate by calling them "bigots".

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by: Blood From Machines @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 16:37:41 PM CDT