Papa Ratzi weighs in on marriage after CA ruling

Well the Pope of the child-abuse scandal-ridden Church doesn't really care

about the babies. . .they are just fundraising tools for the monarchy. . .er. . .papacy.

He doesn't particularly like constitutional government,either...how arrogant of the "little people" to think they have a voice in policy when there are self-appointed representatives of God to do it for us?  

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by: kevinbgoode @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 13:08:32 PM CDT

not fundraising.

That's tithing and absolutely it is done 'by the head.'

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 21:01:00 PM CDT

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This person just looks very evil...

   to me. If I met him in a gay bar I would be afraid to go anywhere with him, no matter how lonely I was. I'd go home alone again.

   Look at those eys, that look and that evil smile. Looks like he's up to no good. (giggles)

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 13:35:03 PM CDT

WTF does he know?

The Pope was a Nazi in WW II. He joined the Hitker Youth. And don't give me that shit about how he HAD to join. The last Pope was of service age in German occupied Poland. It can be argued that there would have been MUCH more pressure on him to join the Nazis and to serve in the military but he mined coal throughout the occupation. Typical of xtians to ignore facts that don't fit in with their world view while constructing a fanatsy that does.

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by: Margaret @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 13:43:56 PM CDT

some of the key people in the underground

also served in the nazi military at the same time.  i don't take his being forced into hitler youth to mean anything one way or the other.  i really don't.  to me it is the kind of armchair finger-pointing only those never placed in such a situation can indulge in.  and i hate this guy, make no mistake.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 14:25:01 PM CDT

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But . . .

"Inside, they found a 4-year-old boy naked and a 2-year-old boy wearing a dirty diaper. They also found Jeffrey Littlefield, 24, and Heather Littlefield, 23, the boys' parents, apparently under the influence of drugs, along with more than 200 used and uncapped hypodermic needles and "at least one hypodermic needle loaded with drugs," according to a police statement.

Needles were in "virtually every room in the house," the statement added. Also confiscated were two rifles with ammunition, several knives, used glassine bags and other drug paraphernalia, police said.

When Jeffrey Littlefield approached officers, he stumbled to the floor; Heather Littlefield was found unconscious on the bathroom floor, police said."

At least they are in a "traditional family values" marriage "between one man and one woman".  Didn't you know Pam, that's all that matters!

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by: Jon Michaels @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 13:45:37 PM CDT

this pope

is a power hungry old closet queen. if i believed in hell, i'd say he's going there.

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by: hank @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 14:39:00 PM CDT

How do the Pope, Clinton, McCain and Obama differ on same sex marriage?

The unending barrage of bigotry by catholic cultists is closely connected to campaigns of violence and harassment against us. Their opposition to same-sex marriage, in consort with their political partners in crime, the Republican/Democrats in the US and the Tories in England and Canada provide a rallying cry for thugs and skinheads. These violent scum fully understand the message that if we can't get married it's because we're not quite human. And if we're not quite human, if we're subhuman, untermensh, second class citizens, it gives them an excuse for violence. Not that they need much in the way of excuses.

The alarming numbers of murders and violence here and elsewhere verify the deadly effects of bigotry by catholic, muslim and protestant cultists and their political allies, the Democrat/Republicans.

When cultists and politicians provoke violence they should be harshly punished, sued and taxed to the limit. They forfeit their cult's tax free status when they remove their roman collars and put on their brown shirts. Their symbiotic relationship with rightwing and conservative political groups puts us in continuous danger.

Unfortunately we can't have them persecuted because the Republican/Democrats trash canned the Matthew Sheppard Hate Crimes bill and refuse to consider hate speech legislation.

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  

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by: donal1944 @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 14:41:50 PM CDT

Something new for Mexico regarding marriage...

Transgender marriage rattles Mexico

MEXICO CITY -- A couple who both changed their sex married yesterday in Mexico's first transgender wedding, as the traditionally conservative country loses some of its inhibitions.

Mario del Socorro, formerly Maria, and Diana Guerrero, who used to be Jose, held an austere ceremony for friends and relatives in a community centre.

The couple said they hoped media coverage would pressure Mexico's congress to pass a proposed law that would let people get sex-change operations in public hospitals.

...Members of the bride's Catholic family said the couple tried for months to find a priest who would marry them in a church.

"At the end of the day, it's a marriage between a woman and a man, so what's the problem with blessing this union in the eyes of God?" said the bride's sister, Flor Guerrero.

Photo of couple here.

Catholic Church opinion on transsexuals marrying here and here.

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As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
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by: Autumn Sandeen @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 15:54:01 PM CDT

the beautiful couple

i thought this was such a beautiful couple, i'd post the picture here directly. :)

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by: Lurleen @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 18:04:17 PM CDT

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Until the Catholic Church

decides to stop aiding and abetting its known or suspected criminals, I refuse to see any reason to acknowledge them as anything other than a Mafia.

With all apologies to Mafias...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 15:54:38 PM CDT

A slightly ad hominem attack

If marriage is so good for society, why are priests, and Pope Ratzi himself, forbidden from it?  My imagination doesn't need much running room to come up with a few reasons...

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by: jtperkin @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 16:26:16 PM CDT

But how about man and altar boy ?

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by: tiponeill @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 16:53:46 PM CDT

This all feels Peteresque to me

Throw the bricks at me ... aim for my head.

I have always maintained that all I was wanted was CIVIL marriage.  ALL the California Supreme Court did was grant CIVIL marriage.  The Court wrote at length that Churches were free to believe and do as they wished.

ALL the Pope said was a statement about the beliefs of his Church.  NOTHING about homosexuality is reported in the story above.  Yet we are doing a better smear job on him than anything Peter has ever done on us.  Not fair!  Not right!

Roman Catholics and Mormans and Fundamentalist have every right to their moral and religious beliefs.  And in the USA, if we want the Freedom of Speech, we have to allow them the Freedom of Speech.

Start spattering me with offal.  Go ahead.  

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by: Dagon @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 18:32:18 PM CDT

i think you have to look at the downstream effects

of very long series of papal comments on family, marriage and sexuality, and RCC activism against politicians, RCC laity and non-RCC american citizens who don't toe the RCC line.  when you take it all together, you see that these statements aren't just innocent professions of religious belief.  they are marching orders not just for people in the church to apply within the church, but also for powerful church members to try to influence civil government.  i could care less what ratzinger's opinions are IF he kept his hands out of american government.  but he doesn't.  not by a long shot.  the pope is a political figure as much if not more than he is a religious figure.  he is a head of state, and he is not benign.  you must always bear that in mind.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 18:39:34 PM CDT

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oh, and about freedom of speech

he clearly has it.  can you demonstrate how the federal government is constraining him from communicating?  we, in turn, have the freedom to speak in response.

i think you might be confusing criticism of what someone said with trying to prevent them from saying it.  they're not the same thing, and i don't see the latter happening here.

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by: Lurleen @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 18:42:53 PM CDT

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Peteresque?!?

ALL the Pope said was a statement about the beliefs of his Church.  NOTHING about homosexuality is reported in the story above.  Yet we are doing a better smear job on him than anything Peter has ever done on us.  Not fair!  Not right!

He just insinuated that homosexual marriages are fake marriages, there is no love in homosexual marriages, and that homosexual marriages are immoral. And that's just what I was able to glean from this little article! When he makes comments about "traditional marriages" and points out that they're the only correct marriage (using phrases like "moral" and implying they're the only marriage based in love), it doesn't take much to infer he's mocking homosexual marriage. And, just because he didn't say something this time doesn't mean he hasn't said it in the past.

Just as Lurleen pointed out, he has more than his fair share of free speech here in the US (of which he is NOT a citizen.) No one is restricting his speech, or even saying we should. I don't have to be respectful to his religiousness, because he certainly isn't respectful of my lack of religion. He's trying to dictate how I should live my secular life based on his religious views, and is trying to get it legislated here in a country where he doesn't even live.

We're just pointing out what a despicable, hypocritical asshole the man is. And I'm not sorry about calling him that, because I'm fairly certain Jesus would agree.

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by: Rick @ Mon May 19, 2008 at 14:30:28 PM CDT

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I agree

Lurleen.
Let him SAY whatever he likes. and let me do the same.

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by: hank @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 20:01:23 PM CDT

I don't give a damn what the pope thinks,

  I believe he is the biggest jackass to step foot on this planet,  well him and Bush may be tied for that.

 He is a threat to children as he is the high power of the RCC.  Which tried its best to cover up child molesting sicko priests.  If Catholics don't like being lumped in with these slimmy characters, they need to get rid of them as it is their religion, not mine.  I don't live under their devine and hypocritical rules.  As the saying goes, clean up your damn yard before you bitch and complain about mine.

 The bible and the news paper these days are good for one thing, starting fires in my fireplace during the winter.

 Now I do live in the United States that has a Constitution, although Bush and Co has shreded many parts of it.  And I can vote for people who are intrested in undoing the damage Bush and Co have done.  I don't live under the RCC so it is up to those who do to clean the mess up that they have allowed to happen.  Unfortunatly, they people who cherish the Pope Poop will vote for that piece of shit McCain as well.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 21:40:20 PM CDT

Let me take the opportunity to say...

fuck the pope!  Who is this piece of shit to lecture anyone on what's moral and what isn't?  This is the man who directed his 'brethren' to keep quiet about the pedophile priests until the statute of limitations expired.  He's a complete waste of space.

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by: Kristen from MA @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 23:09:48 PM CDT

I presume all single parents

within the catholic church will be required to forfeit their children?? After all, they're outside his definition of a family as well.

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by: dcguy202 @ Mon May 19, 2008 at 08:34:52 AM CDT

and those divorced...

   for irreconcilible differences...

I'd rather be a lion for one day, than a sheep for my entire life.

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by: PhyllisMs @ Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:02:29 AM CDT

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